Remnant 2 - BEST Way To Level Up Your Prism, is it WORTH it?

[@essix5835]

for anyone watching this post 10/17, the update that released today altered the xp gains from 1.0, 1.15, 1.25, 1.5 to 1.0, 1.2, 1.5, 2.0. So now youre recieving 2x xp on apocalypse difficulty

[@AussiesomeTwo]

Thank you my main I’ll pin this comment for people to see, I’ll also do an updated video :)

[@fredericbrasseur7399]

For the open world exp, just let tomes of knowledge give a single level to your prism. This way, exploring stays rewarding when you play the campaign or adventure mode.

[@AussiesomeTwo]

Yeah people have been saying this, also still some good farming methods with hatchery and a few areas in losomn I think

[@smurph7382]

The only problem i have with the prism is that u can only reset after maxing it out, which i only figured out after messing mine up

[@Bigtay457]

Do you have to re level it up?

[@smurph7382]

@@Bigtay457 as far as ive seen it does seem that way yea

[@shank8120]

@@Bigtay457yes. The “level” of your prism is just the combined level of all the shards in your prism. If you combine 2 level 10 shards into 1 level 1 fusion, your prism goes down 19 levels (-20 from losing the old shards but +1 from the new combined shard). So resetting it removes all the shards, meaning your prism is back to lvl 0.

[@jamaalcooper225]

Was in a stream today and Tragic(Dev) said they are changing it to level 10. He also said the XP gain would be changing too.

[@smurph7382]

@@jamaalcooper225 oke that does seem like a good improvement ty

[@navejar2764]

I say that rerolling a prism legendary stat should cost a simulacrum, it gives them another use once you have nothing else to use them for. Also, not being able to reset the prism when you want is pretty dumb. Definitely need a buff towards exp, because dear lord leveling this thing is a nightmare. Especially if you’re combining stats. I got mines with four fusion stats not too long ago, and it’s back at level 16. Something I’m gonna try at the end just before my final prism level is to make a backup of my save file, level it up, and see what I get. If I don’t like it, I’ll try and see if I can save scum it to get a different result. I’m not too entirely sure if the legendary stat is determined off the rip or when it actually levels up, but I was able to save my prism earlier from a stupid mistake I made that was picking the wrong stat to feed in and not getting what I meant to select, so it might work! And yes, I know saving scumming is, well, scummy. But the time investment is too damn high for a legendary stat that could be absolutely useless for my build.

[@jay5881]

Tragic has been very understanding in the shortcomings of this system in the Discord. Hopefully a patch comes soon because i’m sure im not the only one staying away from it until XP gain is buffed and legendaries can be re rolled. It shouldn’t be super easy, but it definitely shouldn’t be this reliant on RNG for how grindy it is.

[@blazex224]

This is great to hear. I actually do really like the Prism system but I don’t like the “type” of grind associated with it. Boss Rush is fun, awesome that we get SO much xp from it (unfortunate that higher difficulties only give 5% more each). But I don’t really care about leveling a Prism right now, I’m just cobbling one together and I’ll get what I get. The end goal is to just play the game. At end game, what’s the actual point of leveling a Prism? To get more dmg? For what, to run more boss rushes better in apoc? We can do that without any Prism, so I’m just leveling it as I go and enjoying the boss rush. I know some people like grind for the sake of grind but it’s not for me

[@DemonTime08]

I don’t think they should let you reroll the legendary at the end because it’s not like you just get 1 random one you get 3 to choose from and they are all fkn broken honestly they should just let you flush it early and let you lock in that legendary at 51 so if the rest of the prism doesn’t benefit from that legendary you can respec it out to be a better match to that legendary and you can’t save and use it for a different build

[@100StepProgram]

Between the prism xp and sparks shop they really want us to grind for years don’t they, I kinda get it since it’s the end but I wish it wasn’t so bad

[@marcotopshotta9354]

Tragic has confirmed that there will be a patch where u can reset your prism at level 10 if u mess up and a later patch that will allow us to reroll the legendary fragments as well

[@mattreeves8302]

It's 1.0 exp on survivor and 1.15 on apocalypse so it's 15% more exp on apocalypse. But yea it's still not worth it.

[@PewPewSol]

Even with double it's not worth it, if you are clearing survivor twice as much as apoc.

[@mattreeves8302]

This is true I agree. I only do apocalypse boss rush to get the mythic fragments then run survivor for exp.

[@Frost.7xx]

Apoc should be 4x exp… not 1.15 exp.. It takes about 4x longer, and the risk of dying is exponential. There’s NO reason it shouldn’t give you 400k exp for an apoc gauntlet clear.

[@CJ-wc5lb]

Its about the challenge not to level up!

[@mattreeves8302]

@@CJ-wc5lb yea I kinda agree with this too

[@spiralphoenix9839]

You can get bonus xp from the different bonus xp sources. So you actually get something like 120k xp. And you can go through the entire gauntlet using a fully leveled prism then swap to your unleveled prism right after beating the final boss to get all of the xp on that unleveled prism. You don’t get any xp during the run, you get it all at the end so that will help you beat the gauntlet faster. Also, there are ways to level the prism faster. It’s more boring and you don’t get fragment dust for it. But I prefer it because you can watch something on a separate screen. If you go to marrow perish and get the checkpoint where you’re spawning right behind the sanatorium. The checkpoint is called marrow perish sanitarium. If you have the ritualist as your prime class and you’re on survivor you can use miasma right against the wall below the ladder. And if you’re on apocalypse the star shot with the Big Bang. You can shoot the weapon mod at the wall to the right of the ladder and proc the fire dot on all the enemies in the building killing them in seconds and then you just reset at the checkpoint. Don’t even have to move. Use amplitude and kinship so you don’t kill yourself. You can level your prism, including all of the fusion upgrades and get your desired legendary upgrade (with the new legendary reroll system) in about 3-4 hours if you’re lucky and get your fusion upgrades fast. Usually it takes me upgrade 3 normal prism upgrades to level 10 in order to get the fusion upgrades to pop up. Also, little tip. You can feed a mythic fragment to the prism even when it’s already got five upgrades on it. So in the bottom left it will show you the fragments you’ve already fed to the prism. And if you have 5 of those upgrades on the prism anything else you feed to the prism will not show up on the increased chances, since you don’t have a slot for that upgrade to go. But as soon as you get a fusion and a slot opens up that extra fragment you fed will show up again for its increased chances. Idk exactly how the choices for leveling a prism works. But I find that my chances for getting the upgrade I want increase if I feed the fragment before opening up a slot for it. So I check the upgrade, say I see a meta fusion choice, grabbing this fusion will open up a slot for me to get another upgrade. I want ranged crit chance next. So what I do before I grab the meta upgrade is back out, feed the ranged crit chance, then grab meta and every time I’ve done this I’ve ended up getting the upgrade I fed to the prism. So I get ranged crit chance. I normally run a single survivor gauntlet when my prism is level zero and that gets me around 250 dust and 21 levels on my level 0 prism. Then I go to the sanitarium to power level while I watch a show on my other screen. I recommend increasing your concoction length since you only need 30 points in traits normally, might as well throw in the 40 so your xp concoctions last twice as long.

[@BigMFWrubez]

They definitely need to buff XP for apoc. I do like having a mode to test builds quickly so either way, that now exists, but for leveling your frags, yeah, we need an XP buff for apoc. Also apoc should have unique rewards like simulacrum, tons of relic dust (we do not get enough of this and it’s criminal), materials, etc. Not just one random chest in areas.

[@AussiesomeTwo]

This is a great idea they should have multipliers for the “relic dust and scrap” drops in the higher difficulties of boss rush, That would be amazing! But agreed I’m not really getting enough relic dust to warrant me feeding my fragments into my prism atm, plus dwell is being a cock squeezer with his RNG 😂

[@yungworld08]

Check out Mr. Nacho guide on how to maximize your chances of getting good rolls on your prisms. It's very informative and might help a little for those who don't really understand it. They definitely need to revamp the system though. At least a reroll for the legendary.

[@AussiesomeTwo]

Mr.nacho did make a really good video, definitely worth checking out he helped me understand this better one day 1 haha

[@fallow84]

1.5 multiplier wouldnt be too much. Apoc doesnt just take almost twice as long, you're also infinitely more likely to wipe. It needs to be rewarding to make the time investment and risk of failure worth it compared to survivor lol.

[@AussiesomeTwo]

That’s a good point man, I also wasn’t fully aware that to level your prism to lvl 50 it’s about 1.7m-2m xp so yeah maybe 1.5x wouldn’t be to bad haha 😂

[@fishy3287]

Hey brother when you buy relic fragments from Dwell, make sure your world difficulty is set to Apocalypse. Dwell gives you loot based on the difficulty. Hope this helps!

[@theolong6689]

Bro yea the grind is unreal. And its not like the fun kind of grind. I was excited for this patch but I think im out bois. I dont think I can handle this kind of disrespect for players time.

[@AussiesomeTwo]

The grind isn’t the worst but with the amount of RNG and realising you need to do this over again for different builds you want test and try out, it really does take the wind out of your sails. You know it’s bad when people are openly admitting to modding their prisms to lvl 50 😅

[@Solaire_Of_Astora420]

Glad i have every item already before the dlc dropped so for me it isnt such a grind anymore

[@Nicks3177]

5:29 They updated it. Now, you can reroll your legendary perk or flush the whole thing if you're willing. I personally am working on a perfect prism. 4 fusions and jack of all trades legendary. But the grind is gonna be crazy. Especially if i don't get the legendary i want within the first 3 tries

[@Callsign_Reaper4]

Did they buff xp at all? It still feels like an immense amount of time to level it up. I've never maxed one and was trying to ever build one up, but the closest I got to level 50 was a level 45 one. I took it through the last 2 dlcs on my buddies world, with several rerolls on my world as well

[@realparse]

theres a method where if you equipped star shot, and go to apocalypse mode, and go to the morrow sanatorium, spawn, shoot above the bottom window to the right of the ladder with burn equipment on, and ritualist as your main class, youll level a prism from 1-51 in 3 hours.

[@joaovictordioud7242]

Song of eafir + detonation trigger + Cultist and shot the back of the mannor on Lossom, rest on the cristal and repeat. Not sure if its better and boss rush but i think its good enough

[@n_b_Batman]

Well you said it. And they did it. 50% on Apoc

[@outregis]

I don't think the time sink is the problem. I see Prism as a purely end game content item for players that want this game's life massively extended, so what I'm getting at is I don't think the RNG of fragments and slotting them to increase their odds is by any means a bad system. I could forgive the exponential xp dump this becomes under a few conditional changes though. The ability to reset early (which I read was looking at changing to after level 10) should be a given, but also respec'ing Legendary Fragments. I think all they really have to do is give Dwell an item like the trait reset orb, maybe make it a one time consumable, and have it cost 20 Corrupted Lumenite Crystals, or maybe 3 Simulacrum, something that still gives it the grind without pushing the headache of completely restarting onto people. Beyond that, I don't see much problems with this system. I can understand if they tone back the leveling, to get 95k xp just to level twice when I'm over 25 is just mind numbing, I can't even see how I'm going to confidently want to even level 2 prisms, much less 7 of them. I love this system all things considered, I use to just collect everything and lose a purpose to playing the game. However the pinch point is that this makes Boss Rush Survivor difficulty the only thing worth playing, and for what means to an end I really don't know.

[@architectonthejob]

This is the best response I have seen. Well said and thought out!

[@cavsfightingroom3692]

100% agree on every point you made, hopefully they fix it soon

[@AussiesomeTwo]

Hope so dude it’s a really cool system just implemented way to late and having like 3-4 layers of RNG just doesn’t make this enjoyable even as a side hustle…

[@y_conflict2930]

I don’t know if this has been debunked but I believe each prism has 6 legendary fragments because there is 42 legendary fragments and 7 prisms. 7X6=42 and I also believe the fragments represent the 7 deadly sins. I could be wrong. Can someone let me know if I’m wrong please.

[@atacstringer8573]

I don't like the fact that I farmed and got every single Mythic just for 14 of those to be ripped out of my hands you know how how many hours I have put in the game for those yeah a lot

[@allseeingsage214]

I could be wrong but I think they gave you relic dust for them? I had way more than I remembered.

[@atacstringer8573]

@@allseeingsage214 I'm not sure on that aspect

[@xQc_Enjoyer777]

I mean it's only 15 (10) relic dust at Dwell to get Mythic frags...

[@atacstringer8573]

@@xQc_Enjoyer777 that is super RNG based if you can get mythics on every go you're lucky at lunch I had farmed up 9000 Relic test about used all of it and still only maxed out to relics that's why I'm so upset

[@dylanc5773]

@@xQc_Enjoyer777 until you throw hundreds at him and don't get a single upgrade.

[@Khtras]

Another thing to further the point that it takes ages to level a prism: I fed all my fragments but 3 (most of them mythics), and it only levelled my prism by 1,5 levels

[@tylyr]

Newest patch revamps a lot of the rewards, apocalypse now grants 50% extra xp; not 15%

[@JoshuaBurton110213]

Whats the difference with the prisms?

[@PhilippeCharvet]

Does the sage ring, scholar trait and XP tonic give bonus XP for this too or just for class leveling?

[@Mysterious-Fox-01]

there is not much to complain about the prism rework, except for the three reasons you have to max level before you can reset it and the xp gain should be a lot more the prism takes too long to level up and the relic dust needs to go, i hate that part of the game, i'd rather spend more time collecting scraps than bothering with that damn relic dust crap

[@CABWrites]

I like the concept of the system but the execution is shambolic. These devs are usually so on point, too.

[@Sierraone1]

yea, it feels like they hit some kind of deadline and just rolled with it besides obvious flaws.

[@blakehayward6884]

Hey so, I just had my prism at level 51 and wanted to reroll my stats. I clicked reset and it took me all the way down to level one and didn’t save any of my xp. Is this normal? All of the videos I’ve seen says your xp will save and you can just keep resetting the rng till you get the rolls you want. What did I do wrong?

[@harryharald9887]

reset = lose all xp aswell

[@neilhinton6477]

If you could flush the prism before 51 AND you could reroll legendary perks without rerolling the entire prism, this would be perfect. Even if, to reroll the legendary, you had to grind 50 levels worth of experience, it would be worth it to keep the rest of my perks

[@fredericbrasseur7399]

Or just like some people said, consumming simulacrums to reroll the legendary so that we can dump the ressource when we don't need it anymore.

[@pizzissweet]

Would the exp ring and concoction work in boss rush?

[@big_bad_biscuit_2675]

I’m pretty sure they do

[@sylvk7782]

Did the 19 Boss rush on Survivor just to get 2 lvls xD

[@AussiesomeTwo]

Isn’t that exciting… 😅 It’s definitely a grind, but at least you can flush your prism before level 51 now!

[@MetalMonkey1453]

An extra layer of RNG bullshit is the fusions. I have been farming for 3 days, on my second prism (since the fusions list has been leaked now). SUPPOSEDLY they are guaranteed rolls at SOME point after the two base fragments level past +5. I currently have a level 42 prism with NO fusions even though I have +10 melee dmg/+7speed (warrior fusion) and +8/+9 armor/DR (Tank). So when they fuse my whole prism drops 32 levels and I gotta start again...IDEALLY with two new sets of fusions, so that I can do it...AGAIN. Then, after 2 weeks of relentless farming for the perfect rolls for a single prism, I have to hope that I get one of the 2 legendaries I want for a perfect roll. A 5%chance? Are you kidding me?

[@MetalMonkey1453]

And just to clarify, I don't hate the system. I don't want to be spoon fed extra power for a game where I already feel like there are 1000 OP builds. I just don't like the idea that all that effort has a high chance for little to no payoff, especially considering the nerf fragments as a whole got.

[@AussiesomeTwo]

I’m with you there dude, I’ve just ran into the same problem… I didn’t realise the fusions were also not guaranteed rolls even tho you have the “fragments” ready to be fused, which to some people might not be the biggest issue in the world, But for all the people that want to min max there builds is such a slog to get the perfect “prism” I like the new system too dude, just far to much RNG and it’s to “endless” of a grind for it to be enjoyable. I think someone worked out it could on average take you over 100hrs for just 1 semi decent prism with the legendary fragment your chasing/want Really think being able to reroll legendaries and getting more XP would probably elevate some of this grind! Appreciate you coming through legend 💪

[@SplitOpenNBill]

Just a heads up, they are increasing the xp for higher difficulty. Appoc will give a 1.5 multiplier. Patch should be out this week. This is straight from the devs (tragic specifically).

[@crazycowbeef]

Has anyone gotten weapons out of the boss rush more or also just some rings and mutators? Played through a few on the last difficulty but it unfortunately is getting boring fast. Was hoping to be able to grind a few missing weapons.

[@Frost.7xx]

7:28 I’ve never had this issue either. I think its more so the people not feeding in mythic fragments that are having this problem

[@Donnovo]

yeah same feeding in mythic feels like guarantee

[@stefanarnold9788]

in game voice is a must since cross play that needs to be added sooner then later its so bad typing to a PS5 player just to find out that there profile is private xbox players are fine pc players are fine messaging them is not a problem

[@Ostmackan1337]

You need to be in an apocalypse level world for Dwell to give you Mythic fragments. I also spent around 2k relic dust before I understood that.. Such a strange system

[@thatonepenguinperson618]

That's how I lost all my relic dust too...

[@Frost.7xx]

The xp bonus is sooo stupid….. there’s absolutely zero reason asides from bragging rights or skill test to doing apocalypse runs now…. They need to make apoc give you 200-250k per completion. I can gauntlet on survivor in 30 minutes flat…. While it takes me about 2 hours on apoc…. So even then.. it would STILL be better than apocalypse runs.. (which makes me think it should be more like 450-500k for apoc..but I’m sure others can do it faster than 2 hours.) but the risk of dying on round 18 and only getting 18k experience is massive on apoc… soo 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️ it really should be 400-500k exp. I love everything else about the update. Its fkn incredible.

[@CodyChandler1979]

Literally all of the XP methods posted before this update will be faster than boss rush. It's so easy to test this. For example, kill the Nightweaver, go back through the web, then use a max range heatwave to kill everything in the mansion. Liquid escape, then heatwave, repeat.. 10k xp per minute. Boss rush on easiest diffficulty is like 10k per 5 minutes when you include load times. It's SO bad compared to the other options.

[@MetalMonkey1453]

They changed how LoS works for most abilities/mods again in this patch. Most of those "use ritualist/heatwave" exploits don't work any more.

[@queuebe4068]

It's line of sight now so I don't think that works

[@nchirico6202]

Tried the manor right now and i can confirm It doesnt work anymore.

[@CodyChandler1979]

@@MetalMonkey1453 I know Miasma is LoS now, that's why I didn't mention it. Heatwave is not, use it with Ritualist prime perk and it clears the mansion just as fast.

[@CodyChandler1979]

@@queuebe4068 No, heatwave is not LoS now. You're thinking of Miasma.

[@Tenorio_Cavalcante]

Can't we just alt+F4 when the time comes to chose de legendary fragment and there is nothing interesting? I think that fragment should be a bonus we actually chose, even if the most broken ones got watered down.

[@Donnovo]

someone said the legendary gets chosen on level 0 so you cant change fate here if thats true

[@Tenorio_Cavalcante]

@@Donnovo I tested the shit out of that system - cheating ofc. There is a looooooot to improve there. Specially considering it takes many hours to grind the xp through normal means.

[@DemonTime08]

I think a fair compromise is to let us flush our prism early I absolutely fkd mine because I didn’t understand it but rerolling the legendary ehh I don’t think so I think that should be a choice if 3 random still but also show us what relics combine together in game and it will be fine

[@austinkane1]

No hate for any of this but it does feel funny to see people who have the builds already made to be able to easily take on the hardest content in the game get up in arms about not getting their minor bonuses up quicker/easier to then go back and continue destroying said content with.

[@AussiesomeTwo]

Dude no hate felt, It is funny when you think about it long enough tho, But I think of it this way you don’t need windows on car to drive it, but man is it a better experience. We don’t need these prisms but it would be nice to at least try them out without investing over 100hrs to get the 1 legendary fragment your chasing But remember where all Neanderthals here and big numbers release big chemical in brain!

[@sethdunaway2407]

So I dunno how long it’s taking people to grind out one arena and the lead up to it. But every minute or so on apocalypse I get 8-10 exp every minute give or take. That’s with all exp buffs available. Then there’s aberations which is were the difference of the couple k comes to. This getting items materials ect. Maybe exp is different for prisms then archetypes but it seems pretty much consistent with me upgrading after every other or few runs depending on the level of the prism. I use the hatchery on apocalypse

[@ricandadd1]

What's that gun he's using towards the end?

[@Donnovo]

should be savior i think you get it by doing a hardcore run on veteran or higher do it with 2 friends that way death isnt as big of a deal 1 has to survive and sit down to revive the others

[@ricandadd1]

@Donnovo yeah figures, it's legit the only gun I don't have been screw hardcore. Apoc was not fun whatsoever. Also, definitely won't do the laberynth in 1 shot lol

[@Donnovo]

@@ricandadd1 i did it with my friends in the first try on veteran we had 2 close calls tho. with a nice build it works pretty well. Alone tho no shot lol

[@bastiancortes70]

Hello, could you share the list of legendary bonuses? TY Excelent Video

[@Ccubed92]

Problem with prisms is this should have been in the game from the start and is not needed for any content thats out to beat the game lol

[@AussiesomeTwo]

You hit the nail on the head there dude! 100% this should have been implemented way sooner! I wanted to say more in my video but I’m currently dealing with COVID So I had to cut the video back cause I was dying 😂

[@chucheeness7817]

They should cut the xp needed to level the prism by 50% and up the relic dust harvested in apoc boss rush to at least make the grind rewarding and not just tedious

[@DeathinRed01]

insert massive amounts of save scumming, its well over 2m xp to max one prisim. i like the game alot but this execution isnt it. we should be able to flush a bonus after it gets maxed and reroll the final perk

[@ntemage3395]

If you want a perfect one it's probably somewhere in the 4 million range..... Especially if you just don't get lucky with your fusions. I'm kinda in the camp for just never using fusions as if you are unlucky and you fuse two level 10's rip 10 levels of your prism.

[@DeathinRed01]

yeah im not afraid to save scum, im not investing that much time to have one perk screw over millions of xp

[@ntemage3395]

@@DeathinRed01 one of my friends did that took him 3 days of grinding for 8 hours a day to get the one he wanted... Even then it got the wrong non fusion

[@DeathinRed01]

yeah you have to scum very early in the level process. best i saw was leave it blank max out the xp on it by guessing how much it has with the number of runs you have done then scum followed by infusions and after you have everything on you want (all combos) make another scum file and level everything in a bunch of different ways to see what final perks you can get and if after you try leveling in a few different combinations it and dont see anything you want go back to the first scum and start over in a different order. someone said it was seeded the moment you put all the relics on but that isnt right, it is like a branching path and the order you upgrade is what matters...if you scum and have choice A B C and pick A you will always get choice D E F as your next choices no matter how many times you go back to the scum file but if you choose B you will get choices G H I... you have millions of combinations and can often end at the same outcomes. i spent all yesterday trying to get unbridled on my skill/mod prism but couldnt and eventually went back to one of the first ones i got, power trip and will live with that until they implement rerolling for that perk

[@andykunz1996]

How i understand it if you are unlucky you can max it to often because the legendary perk

[@neilhinton6477]

Im pretty sure one of the prisms is locked behind an apocalypse gauntlet

[@_Doom_666]

Truth is that im grinding psycho but this system is crushing my balls

[@briangueringer3673]

Seen a dude running Hatchery on apoc with ritualist from cp to cp. No boss. He did get alot of xp and took him 2 minutes or so with his ult ability.

[@thamlenariendil6896]

there is an even better version using the toxic release valve, with this you can run from on cp to the other in just 1 minute killing everything, you get around 5-6k per minute in apoc, but it still takes super long when trying for fusions

[@Noggintoggin]

i love the system just hate the xp

[@NvTeddy]

Uhh.. couldn't we just get it to 50.. back up our save file. Roll for the legendary? If we get sht then just re-download our save. Rinse repeat

[@AussiesomeTwo]

This would be a viable strategy but I’m not sure Xbox users are able to back up their files or gamepass users either I could be wrong tho?

[@NvTeddy]

@AussiesomeTwo can't speak for xbox. You can on ps5 though.

[@X36Granitplate]

Nope. Tested it. The 3 legendary prism buffs are pre-determined at prism lvl 0 into the save file. So save creep method on this, doesn't work. Basically: Have fun reaching lvl 51, then reset, ONLY to have less than 10% chance, to get the legendary prism buff you want. Until you know? Lvl it back up to 51.

[@NvTeddy]

@X36Granitplate if that's true that's very unfortunate for how long it takes to level. They need to buff apocalypse xp by 3x

[@shank8120]

I wouldn’t have a single issue with this system if you could just reset your prism at level 10 or so. Grinding it takes really long, but almost any of the legendary shards are a decent power spike and beneficial in some way, so not being able to reroll them, while annoying, isn’t the end of the world. But getting a few bad stats on your prism and then being forced to grind 3-4 hours of boss rush just to be able to RESET it??????? That’s just the worst feeling mechanic. Especially because you could roll a decent legendary shard and are now stuck with an awful prism since it has a legendary you want. Just let me reset mine at level 10 if I don’t get the stats I like and I’ll be happy. Rerolling legendary shards would be nice, but they’re insane power creep and we’re stronger than before even with a bad legendary shard. Not getting the exact one you want isn’t the end of the world.

[@Donnovo]

there is light footed that gives you 100 weight reduction so you can use heavy armor and light roll. for weight builds its nice but i wouldnt call that one a power spike

[@mrx1073]

Idk if anyone is still doing this horrible grind but the method I’m using gives roughly 120k exp in about 7-8min if done without interruption. The task is extremely dull and repetitive so I end up stopping after 20-30 minutes. They neeeed to drastically decrease the amount of exp needed. I want to be able to have fun build crafting but the grind is absolutely ridiculous. Does anyone else agree or am I just tired of grinding ?

[@jasoncarlson3628]

yes it sucks. I modded my game, so I could increase the xp multiplyer to whatever I wanted. I am not spending 8 hours to level up a prism.

[@jojobok4405]

Whats the method that you’re using?

[@ItsFisk]

I actually don't mind it, let the people who are lower level/power have a really good way of leveling up. And then apocalypse is more for the challenge and accomplishment

[@nicokeith]

After 6h of resetting 1 prism over and over again i finally got a decend one just tze solo stat isn the right one but it rolles with jack of all trades so i took it

[@artmoo]

This game is PVE, why do we have to grind this much just to have a chance to get the PERFECT built.

[@Donnovo]

people usually cry because they want more and more content leading to devs stretching it and i think Gunfire Games is really bad with that stretching behavior.

[@codykelley4425]

I know the drive to get the perfect prism, but I think what a lot of people are missing is you don't need it to be perfect. I think the only part needed to really make build op are the legendaries. I hope some thing do get ironed out but simply I could see very small changes making it great, even if they changed to give us 5 choices instead of 3 that way if you have all slots filled you can level the low ones to go for the mixed ones much easier, and it would cut the legendary rng a good amount. Truly I feel it's mostly growing pains with a lot of the problems, but there are some things just bad (and this is just from what I found and much like everyone else personal opinion) ie some fragment not having any mixed options, redundant legendary mods, and having to max a prism to cleanse it. Rerolling legendary options sounds great and if balance with economy of the game it could be amazing. I haven't even got my legendaries yet but I know my luck won't give me any I want and I forsee much grinding in my future.

[@AussiesomeTwo]

And your right it doesn’t need to be perfect But it shouldn’t feel like a chore just leveling your prism 😅 Ill still invest time into the system and let’s be honest most peoples builds don’t need to upgrades but it still would of been nice to at least try them out haha I try to put myself in other peoples shoes, I can handle a pointless grind to a degree but this is going to put so many people off from even testing this system out because of how tedious and time consuming it is. Love your idea of rolling 5 legendaries and maybe still having the option to reroll after would definitely be an improvement!

[@codykelley4425]

@AussiesomeTwo and I agree that it shouldn't feel like a chore, I do think there's definitely improvement to be made, but there's always 2 sides if they do anything too drastic it could be equally problematic and cause it to less so be an end game refinement and more just make the entire endgame too easy. You bring up great points and the devs should listen, I didn't so much comment to critic you personally and more so share my opinion on the situation because I've seen overwhelmingly the comment sections about any prism video being too negative, but I definitely don't think I'm any definitive expert and truly could just be way off.

[@JohnDoe-pu5gk]

They also need to add a new difficulty!! Apocalypse is way to easy.

[@JohnDoe-pu5gk]

Also, they could have at least added one more new archetype. Warden only is lame. And why tf are there no root earth bosses in the gauntlet??

[@jungillestt02]

They definitely need a wipe for the prism without having to level it up all the way. It's really stupid

[@likeadevil]

19 cards apoc give ~100k exp...

[@travishastings1414]

Survivor gives 90k so it’s not that different

[@Ltbooce07]

How much exp do you need😂😂😂😂 i have been farming for hours. It's too much

[@jasoncarlson3628]

i think it's 500k to fully max it, but you will need more or less, depending on how many fusions you have. if you still have trouble leveling them up, hit me up.

[@darkbatman-vk4tw]

So people are mad that they have to grind when that's what this game is about?

[@AussiesomeTwo]

I don’t think the grind is the issue mainly the system, Most people would probably be happy with the system and the grind if you didn’t get locked in to the prism if you made a mistake or got bad RNG. I think it’s a system with so much potential don’t get me wrong, just having 3-4 layers of RNG is exhausting it’s like playing slot machine, also should have been implemented way sooner there’s only so much you can do in remnant before it gets extremely repetitive haha

[@Lucifer.Z.]

This type of grind is really, bad, RNG its base of the game, but this is BLS, no need to implement this shit tô the game in the end

[@SyIis]

You did not watch the video 😂 There's a huge issue with the system, not just the grind. The grind needed is too large to justify needing to fix their errors or lack of testing. They already said they're fixing it, so, by even the devs admission...you're out of touch and wrong.

[@IronTarkus876]

The grind is way too long, cannot be reset until you fully max a prism, the system at its core is flawed. Level grinding to max just to reset it to fix it is NOT what the game is about at all. When have we leveled gunslinger 'wrong' lmfao, shit take

[@kamhani7394]

I rather keep my mythic relics than use them for the prism.

[@GarishManticore]

100+ runs to get 1 prism to lvl 51 with fusions... not acceptable

[@AussiesomeTwo]

It’s a bloody grind that’s for sure, changes are inbound according to tragic tho, so fingers crossed!

[@frostieisme]

I fully agree with all the points made here. Just a few quality of life changes and we're golden

[@SplitOpenNBill]

Oh and they are changing it so you can reset it at level 10.

[@thatonepenguinperson618]

Uh... Mine is level 11, does that mean no reset? ._.

[@GLUTENX]

Homies game bugged where we killed one enemy and it maxed our prisms. 3 maxed already 🤣.

[@akynator]

Nightmare difficulty is relaxing challenge balance, lower than that is not even like playing this game…

[@AussiesomeTwo]

Agreed man I’m only doing gauntlet on survivor atm just to level my first prism to 50 but it’s mind numbing 😅

[@jasoncarlson3628]

If you need to level your prism up to max lvl in less than 10 minutes, hit me up.

[@jojobok4405]

Im curious, so please elaborate on how you’re managing that

[@Nicks3177]

​@jojobok4405 Yeah, same here. Spill

[@johnnydamager1062]

Def Not the best way to Farm prism XP. The hatchery with a good Layout is hands down best XP Farm. 1 min per Run 5-6k XP per Run. Took me 5-6h from 0-50. With fusing around 9-10h. Boring but efficient

[@AussiesomeTwo]

Ahhh I’ve been meaning to try the hatchery Just a pain to try and get it to roll in adventure mode ect. But I’ll probably give this a run today and test the difference Appreciate the knowledge drop 🙏

[@Stef_1998]

What difficulty do you run it on

[@johnnydamager1062]

@@AussiesomeTwo yea it took me a while till i got it but was 100% worth the time😂 i run it on apoc. Ritualist/invoker, toxic release valve Amulett and lets go. Super easy to run

[@bezv8191]

С этими призмами всю игру обосрали, теперь каждый фармит призму для того чтобы за раз уничтожать боссов, какая интересная игра становится

[@roma_nova83]

I’m not a fan, the new prism system is driving me away. Over 200 hours, every achievement done. It may be no more. I hate this system.

[@johnstanley7645]

So the devs have come out and said that they will patch the prism system to allow rerolling legendaries, allow reset of prism after level 10, and increasing exp gain on higher boss rush levels. You're getting all the things you asked for. Just don't know the timeline.

[@bobrossninja3542]

This game is cool but I’ve been thinking about getting the first one not sure

[@SyIis]

The first game lacks a lot of the polish and additions that make this game what it is That being said, it's still a good game and experience. I would suggest a friend to play with, otherwise it may be extremely boring.

[@bobrossninja3542]

@@SyIis I don’t mind I like playing solo player games

[@bobrossninja3542]

@@SyIis also I didn’t pay full price for it

[@trickap5285]

Remnant 1 was a better game. There.

[@TF-yk8bn]

I think that's the point. If you want a perfect build, grind it to hell.

[@kevinacecox]

This shit does not make me want to play this game.

[@darkcatzeyevods]

I dont have problems with it. Im a build crafter its what i do

[@davidkelty7688]

It’s not a perfect system but the prisms are just another tool to make the game easier 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️ they didn’t make the game harder so the prisms are just additional buffs to already overpowered builds. People just love to complain nowadays smh

[@zkytmilad]

I think the community would be happy with a "good" system, doesn't have to be perfect.

[@XmrcaptainbobX]

The exp grind for prisms is moronic. They need to stop catering to no lifes and acknowledge not everyone has 1 million hours to dumb on a stale repitition.

[@raymondledoux520]

The new system sucks balls I already had mythic everything and then had to start over how fkn stupid