Remote ID Update: DJI Mini 3 and 4

[@jnoreman]

DJI should really have added a "switch' in their app to activate or deactivate remote ID. Far simpler than the mess they created.

[@PilotInstitute]

Can't do that, it's against Part 89 regulation. Can't be tamper proof.

[@troytmg]

What about setting up the remote ID function like the Geo Zone unlock. Pilot gets a permission through DJI to have remote ID function shut off or on. @@PilotInstitute

[@copyjim81]

@@PilotInstituteif you just made the switch available for the small battery… I bet they can do that! It would get rid of the need to buy a module, and would be cheaper and more secure all around. Couldn’t say , Ops, my RID module battery must be dead.

[@beowulfschmidt6031]

@@PilotInstitute One would think that a switch for "Use Drone Remote ID with small battery" would still be acceptable. The drone can obviously already detect the difference. And failing to set the setting properly would be no different than simply not using a separate module when _other_ attachments take it over the 250g limit. Or am I missing something.

[@AbeGzad]

​@@PilotInstitute "RID ON ONLY" option would suffice and only be operable with small battery. I am sure the FAA would LOVE more drones registered which would be the end result. Now they (DJI) are creating more illegal flyers and forcing us to spend more money to stay legal. There has to be a software fix for this. DJI turns RID off with small battery in firmware I am sure they could make an option when loading firmware to turn it ON. I'm pissed.

[@Montana_horseman]

I'm on the verge of getting a M4P just for recreational flying to see if I want to go any further to 107. Pilot Institute has been super valuable to me while I've been researching everything. Kept me from making the mistake of getting the extended battery option, making it super easy and safe to take my TRUST test etc and laid out everything so I know I'm doing things correctly. I appreciate you guys!

[@RebelByNature]

same here. And PilotInstitute has been doing yeoman work on this.

[@felipecordero-us7bl]

I own A DJI mini 3 that’s been registered since I am a part 107 certified but due to this change I had to buy the larger battery does this mean that I have to register the larger battery too? even though the drone is registered already?

[@Montana_horseman]

​@@felipecordero-us7bl I'm no expert, but would bet that if your drone is already registered there won't be any need to register the battery. I've never heard of registering just a battery and since it's not the actual vehicle I imagine that's why. As far as I understood it using the larger battery will allow the RID to become active. I'm pretty sure that happens because the larger battery causes the software to kick in and begin transmitting RID. To get a expert answer about this I would ask your question during one of the live streams. Greg is very good about interacting and answering questions. I would ask it in a super chat so it's sure to be seen rather than just hoping it gets seen in the normal chat. 👍

[@Montana_horseman]

@@felipecordero-us7bl 2nd reply to you because I like to understand this stuff also. 😉 I re-watched the video to see if I could figure out an answer for you but I'd still get a expert answer from Greg. Upon re-watching my understanding is: Since you bought the larger battery your mini 3 should be transmitting RID internally with that battery. The only time you would have another registration would be if you use your smaller batteries and then you would have to use an RID module along with the smaller batteries. It's that RID module used with the smaller batteries that would need the registration. Hope this helps.

[@felipecordero-us7bl]

@@Montana_horseman thanks, I think you are right I don't think that I have to register the larger battery it should be ready and good to fly, thanks again for the insightful info and opinion I really appreciate it.

[@marksugino2335]

Many thanks for laying out the options. One additional consideration is what you should do if you are a US pilot who wants to take his drone on vacation to Europe, where you will be subject to the rules of the European Union Aviation Safety Agency (EASA). The rules just changed on January 1, 2024 and are quite complex, but to fly in the "open" category in the class A1 subcategory (very flexible, okay to fly in urban settings, max altitude 120 meters, no intentional flying over uninvolved people and no flying over gatherings), you need a drone like the DJI Mini 4 pro which weighs less than 250 grams (which means, only with the standard battery). Apparently drones sold in Europe have "class markings", and under 250 gram drones would have a C0 marking. But DJI Mini 4 pro drones sold in the US do not have "class markings", and as a result, are deemed to be legacy drones and, unless they are less than 250 grams, can only be flown in the class A3 subcategory (horizontal safety distance must be 150m from residential, commercial, industrial or recreational areas and there should be NO uninvolved people in the area of operation). For my purposes, it sounds like I will fly my Mini 4 Pro in the US using ONLY the extended battery (don't really see the sense in adding a RID module just to use the lighter battery), and when I visit Europe over the summer, I will fly using ONLY the standard (light) battery so I can fly in the class A1 subcategory. DJI is now permitting people who own the Mini 4 pro in Europe to apply for a new "C1" class marking, which would permit flying in the permissive Class A1 open category while using the extended battery (plus strobes, etc.), but I haven't yet discovered a way to apply for the sticker for a Mini 4 Pro purchased in the US. To fly in Europe you pretty much have to register as a "drone operator" as well, in addition to passing a basic online piloting course with the EASA.

[@olabergvall3154]

This comment should be pinned, as it provides very useful information for pilots from outside the EU thinking about flying their drone in EASA territories! Well done 👍

[@IO_Darren]

I plan to keep my smaller batteries, and only use them when I'm doing such things as firmware updates, or adjustments to controls that require the drone to be powered on.

[@Pepesplants]

@pilotinstitute So I would un register my mini 3? I registered it, because you suggested that in a training video. After removing the registration I plan to fly only with the smaller battery. Would that be an option for compliance?

[@0REDSOX7]

This is what I did. I unregistered my Mini, took the sticker with registration off and apparently that means I’m in compliance.

[@JulianGarrett]

At 6:48 in this video, the image seems misleading. It is saying when drone is greater than 250g it does NOT need RID inside. Previously it was mentioned if the drone is less than 250g it does not need RID inside. Is there a typo in the image?

[@PilotInstitute]

Good catch, that was indeed a typo in the graph.

[@christopherlyons7613]

I may be missing something regarding owning both batteries. As a 107 pilot, I believe it's still possible to fly recreationally, correct? And if you are flying recreationally with a drone < 250g than you don't have to use RID. So another option would be to only use your standard batteries when flying recreationally where RID is not required. And when using the larger batteries then you would fly under 107 and be in compliance with RID since the M4P does transmit RID natively when using the larger battery. This way you don't have to purchase an external RID module. Is that correct or am I missing something? Another slightly off topic question regarding Recreational Drone registration via FAA DroneZone. What is the purpose of adding a Recreational registration via DroneZone for a sub 250g drone since it doesn't require RID? When you create this registration the first question is whether your drone broadcasts Remote ID. If you answer NO, as you would for the M4P with standard battery, then it doesn't ask for serial numbers. So why does the FAA have this registration option for drones below 250g that aren't required to have RID? If you create this registration all that is asked for is Device Type (Traditional or Homebuilt), Manufacturer & Model. There is nothing entered that ties the registration to your specific drone. So why create this registration and are you required to do this in this case? Appreciate any clarification.

[@marksalamack6133]

I have a Mini4 Pro 4 ...and I have both batteries...I have 107...so I registered the Drone, unaware of this situation....so now it looks like I need another registration for the small batteries...is there an extra fee to the FAA for that?

[@stevenfeil7079]

It is the corrupt government.... what do you think.

[@MrEye4get]

Very done! Easy to follow. I am happy to see DJI supporting the majority of their (non-part 107) customers!

[@MichaelEdwards]

Please keep us updated on any changes to the Mini 3 Pro.

[@PilotInstitute]

Don't think they will touch that.

[@dylancleveland]

@@PilotInstitute how come?

[@PilotInstitute]

Because I think they consider that the professional version of the Mini 3, so they assume it's being used primarily by part 107 pilots. The Mini 3 would be the recreational version, which is why it was affected.

[@RebelByNature]

@@PilotInstitute Weird though, that they would consider mini 3 recreational (gets the change) and the mini 3 pro professional (does not get the change), while at the same time the mini 4 pro gets the change and therefore considered recreational? If the answer is because there is no mini 4, just a mini 4 pro, I recall that the mini 3 pro came out first, followed by the mini 3, so I am guessing you think the mini 4 won't follow the same pattern?

[@AveragePilot9201]

​@PilotInstitute so that means the mini 3 pro will always have RID enabled?

[@phucmapvlog]

If I understand correctly, the DJI Mini 3 and Mini 4 Pro owners can sell the original battery to purchase a new (heavier) one. However, if you have the DJI Mini 3 Pro, both batteries will still allow for Remote ID?

[@CraigMullins1]

With the weight of the rid modile won't that push it over the 250 gram weight limit?

[@markkempton4579]

Yes, he mentions that anything attached to the UAS will put it over 250g.

[@PilotInstitute]

You only need the module if you're flying under 107, in which case weight doesn't matter.

[@BHPilot82]

If the drone weighs over 249 g/0.55 lbs it has to be registered and any drone that is registered has to have RID even when flown recreationally unless you are flying in a FRIA.

[@robertdodson1823]

Not if you accidentally registered the drone planning for part 107 use. Once registered, it requires RID for all cases and you need to add a registration with the RID module number if you use a module. @@PilotInstitute

[@FieldingSmith]

Considering that I’m currently still learning, but planning to start the 107 course soon to get my license… this makes me really consider getting the Air3 instead just so I don’t have to deal with the headache of figuring out which battery I can and can’t use.

[@BlueDroneBlues]

Wait for the 3s.

[@GunSmokeATCS]

DJI should add a switch to their firmware update to be able to switch on or leave off the RID only when using the smaller battery. That way if you’re required to have RID on because you registered the drone and have both batteries but flying the smaller one, then you don’t need to have a separate module.

[@samwarren1429]

I think DJI is trying to appease the "I will not comply folks". If you only fly recreationally, use the small battery only. You are legal. If you want to fly 107, buy the larger batteries only and you will be legal after registration, which you must do anyway under 107. I think Greg's dual registration scheme by buying an external RID module AND use a smaller battery for 107 flight is just too much a pain (which he was implying??).

[@rippen1982]

I appreciate your comment.. Its the first common sense and sensible one I've seen.

[@matthewazevedo274]

Was there any mention of the update ever coming to the mini 3 pro?

[@PilotInstitute]

No, I don't think they will touch that because it is the "Pro" version of the mini 3. So DJI is probably thinking, Mini 3: recreational mostly, Mini 3 Pro, Part 107 mostly.

[@RebelByNature]

@@PilotInstitute Really? As a recreational pilot looking at next purchase, I really want obstacle avoidance. Is that really just a professional feature?

[@PilotInstitute]

The Mini didn't have obstacle avoidance until those models were called Pro, so I'm gonna say yes. I think it's a way to differentiate from the cheaper model and warrant a higher price point with more advanced features.

[@gadgetguy9984]

@@PilotInstitute Except the Mini 3 Pro came out FIRST, with no expectation of a future Mini 3, and without RID pre-installed because it was exempt from RID as sold with the smaller battery! Why not give all Mini 3 Pro owners the same recreational choice with the smaller battery, as the Mini 3 owners? I deliberately did NOT update my Mini 3 Pro to the one-way mandatory RID FW, so I am not broadcasting RID with EITHER battery! LOL!

[@gbower1]

I've got both the M3P and M4P and registered the M4P before all this came about. I have one larger battery and 2 regular and wondering what I should do as this is crazy. When I go back to Canada it won't be a problem but while in the US it does pose a problem and probably should just fly the smaller battery. Do I have to unregister my drone? I only fly recreational. I only registered the M4P because of getting the larger battery.

[@Magic4drone]

Why Can’t DJI turn on remote ID on mini 4 with small (regular) batteries?

[@airheadbit1984]

I purchased the DJI Mini 4 Pro Plus just for work, never fun BUT the first flight out I got a RID Error with no broadcasting of RID, the drone flies find, smoother and more agile than the Mini 2, landed, power cycled then flew again this time the RID appeared on Drone Scanner with all the information. Finally, fully compliant with Part 107 thanks to Pilot Institute for the study course and Greg's many, many, many videos.

[@CraigMullins1]

Do you have the link to your recommend rid module?

[@clotheman]

Why in the world would the Mini 3 pro not be included in this update?

[@Pills161]

If it hasn't begun already, it's going to get to the point where rules/regulations are so overly complicated that all law abiding drone pilots will just collectively say screw it. This change only adds another poopoo layer to the increasingly smelly onion that this hobby is turning into...

[@Bahamut69]

Welcome to the gun hobby struggles

[@JETstudiosinc]

I’m already there. Part 107 certified July last year and I’ve flown once. It’s not just FAA rules to be concerned with. Local city and state regulations are also a big factor.

[@sethproaps8899]

This already happened, they pushed it back last time because everyone said they wouldn't comply, and the FAA realized they had no means of enforcement.

[@Bahamut69]

@RetreadPhoto holy stone sells the ID for 60 bucks

[@djwak59]

Yeah this is all keeping me OUT of getting a 107. It’s turning a relaxing side hobby of flying in the early morning into brain surgery rocket science. I guess I’ll just have to fly circles in the park at 50’ altitude. Either that or totally rebel. IDK.

[@creature57]

I will be teaching drone classes with the Mini 3 coming up. Do I need a RID module for each drone? It's ONLY be used as a teaching drone or a recreational drone for fun. What do I need to do? I'm confused by all of the information I've been reading regarding the RID especially for this drone.

[@PilotInstitute]

I'd recommend getting the larger batteries for when you teach and the smaller batteries for recreational.

[@creature57]

@@PilotInstitute Thanks!

[@Naijeru]

Can someone explain to me why some recreational flyers despise broadcasting RID (when it isn't required) so much to the point that their complaints were vocal enough to prompt this change? I'm a relatively new flier and I just don't see at all where the concern was, whereas there is now legitimate annoyance, issues, etc. that will arise for many as a result.

[@NickVetter]

I don't get why you can't just opt into using remote id with the standard batteries.

[@eplumer]

brilliant explanation, thank you. can you futher comment. If i have a registered M4P as a rec pilot and get my 107 soon, do i need to reregister the drone to get a new “part 107 number” or do I only need to get a new number for a future second drone? In other words, will I have to do anything to my drone registration just because i get my 107 cert?

[@KevinDC5]

this seems like a similar situation of the firearms laws here in Texas, where you can carry legally without permit/registration, but once you register you now fall into a stricter set of guidelines and restrictions, so many people just don't register.

[@Jasontyo]

I had no idea it was this way, i think i just F'd up. or at least forced myself into 107

[@1987rdc]

Great breakdown of a complicated issue! 4 months later is this still correct information? Did DJI back pedal on this change so that remove ID is broadcast with either battery? or give the option to toggle on/off in the software? Just asking before I purchase new batteries for my mini 4 pro. thanks!

[@prettyrichgirl2007]

Hello, this was a little confusing at first but I made it through and it is all clear now. Thank you for all the needed information. Take care.

[@Pills161]

FYI, there are TWO different types of standard ultra light batteries, the 2453 mah that came with the mini 3 series and the 2590 mah that came with the mini 4. Only the newer 2590 mah ultra light will get the firmware upgrade and stop broadcasting RID. The older 2453 mah battery if used with the mini 4 pro will NOT update and will still broadcast.

[@LAP1050]

@Pills161 - Thanks for that info regarding the 2453mAh.

[@RobsTubeTV]

Well I wish I had read the comments first. I knee-jerk bought three of the plus batteries just so my Mini 3 would still transmit it RID. Well I guess I will now have 6 batteries 😂

[@hoffmannbeck]

but the older battery is heavier so if you use it in your drone it will fall under 107 right? since it will have more than 249grams (77.9gr new vs 80.5gr old)

[@hoffmannbeck]

@RobsTubeTV you can only dont update the firmware. Is there any improvement needed in this update or only this limitation? if not required skip it... Mini 3/3 pros will not receive any new feature now so I'll not update it anymore until be mandatory

[@RobsTubeTV]

@@hoffmannbeck actually I am fine with the RID being transmitted, in fact that’s why I went ahead and purchased three plus batteries. With the Wrapgrade skin I put on, it’s over 249g anyway. Which is why I want RID.

[@DirtyBird]

It is unfortunate DJI did not choose to handle RID this way from the start, however, for those flying with the standard batteries who require RID (part 107, added accessories, etc..) the solution is as simply as purchasing a Plus battery. Alternatively one can add a RID module. I applaud the change as users flying with the standard batteries have no need to register with FAA, nor to broadcast RID. The FAA could simplify things by eliminating the need to transmit RID on registered drones when operated under 250 grams.

[@CRA677]

Can I de-register a Mini 4 Pro in order to use standard batteries? (It was initially registered so I could use the PLUS batteries).

[@JeffreyJDavis]

Excellent, clear and straightforward explanation of a confusing regulatory situation.

[@Pandajuice22]

Wait... Confused about the Mini 3 Pro, when you say "not affected", do you mean that Remote ID is ALWAYS broadcasting (even if using small battery)? So what does that mean, should we register the drone or not? Or does it not matter?

[@PilotInstitute]

Yes, always broadcasting on the Mini 3 Pro regardless of the battery. You do not need to register it if you're flying recreationally and not adding equipment to it.

[@SweigertTV1]

Thanks, I was also confused by the "not affected", I am Part 107 so I need my Mini 3 Pro to broadcast RID. Good to know I am all set with the smaller battery.@@PilotInstitute

[@wtmphoto]

@@PilotInstitute So, for those of us still running fw 1.00.0300, are we in violation or simply not broadcasting and because I only use small battery okay.

[@rogerregor2489]

Thank you and congrats! So would the Mini 4 Pro upgraded to C1 (with a standard battery) also NOT transmit Remote ID?

[@JimiBanda]

You say mini3 pro is unaffected in the beginning. Does that mean it will broadcast with or without a large battery. I just ordered a larger one to comply with regulations. I just want to see if I can fly on smaller one or if I should scrap/sell it and wait for new large one to come in.

[@DanielVazquez]

For the recreational mixed battery scenario, it sounds like you also need two registrations. What did I missed?

[@sz0236]

Adding the RID module to the small battery will not exceed the max 250g limit?

[@ckuhner71]

Wont matter as the drone will be registered.

[@sz0236]

@@ckuhner71 well in Europe we register also under 250g. Above it is another class and needs pilot certification

[@ckuhner71]

@@sz0236 then you’d likely need to get your pilot creds. The RID unit, while small, will add weight.

[@bigfranksworld]

This answered a lot for me as I'm getting ready to buy a Mini 3. Since eventually I will want to fly it under part 107, I will need to register it and use the big battery, which now that I know what the rules are, I will buy instead of the Fly More combo. So if I register it, and broadcast RID, even if I'm just flying for fun, I will always be flying under part 107? And I'll still need a commercial license? Thanks for the video

[@tegq]

Greg, I was wondering if you know or have tested using a RID module on the Mini 4 Pro and whether it interferes with the sensors on the top of the drone.

[@Jasontyo]

I registered my drone with the idea that I will "someday" day 107. I only have the small battery, did i make a mistake? Can RID be enabled with the small battery?

[@ML_1515]

Remove it from inventory

[@REDSDRONES]

In addition, does this mean that I now have to register a drone that doesn’t require registration?

[@alanf403]

I'm not afraid of registration or RID. I think my most cost effective route is to sell my 249 batteries and just upgrade. RID will be turned on, easy peasy, no worries.

[@REDSDRONES]

Greg , I know this RID thing is probably Boring already but I’m caught in a situation I don’t understand so I purchased the mini 3 pro , standard battery fly more combo kit , so it’s a sub 250 gram drone , so why does it transmit RID ? The mini 3 nor the mini 4 pro transmit RID when using the standard battery why is that ?

[@christopherparreno337]

having trouble finding where the remote ID serial number is to actually register the mini 4 pro to the FAA

[@aimeiz1]

What about using clones of dji plus batteries called compatible available on the market? Would Dji Mini4 pro send ID if such batteries are used? From legal perspective, using large batteries require to change drone category from C0 to C1 because off increased weight. C1 allows to exceed max 120m altitude from Home point to allow to fly over the hills or other high obstacles. After such change drone no longer is toy category, so require pilot license A1/A3 or higher. Maybe drone updated to C1 category always sends ID regardless of used battery - yes / no? Is any preferably simple way to detect if drone is sending ID or even decode it?

[@djmiller51051]

I just passed my 107 through your course and I purchased a mini 3 pro based upon this video. Noticed I cannot view it with drone scanner applications. Today I got a remote id error displayed on the display so our called DJI support. Spoke with 2 techs and was told by both that the 3 pro DOES NOT support remote id unless the larger battery plus is used the same as the 4. They told me I could send everything back for a refund but expect an email informing me of my options. If you search their website you will find as per this video it does support remote id and also when they link to the faa compliance site the information says it is compliant as my sn matches. Waiting to hear back from and when I do I will let them know to correct their website and also let the FAA know it is not complaint. I will let you know what I hear as I only have a few days to send the unit back to them.

[@drone_angles]

It’s amazing that we can’t get a straight answer on this basic question! It would make sense that the mini 3 pro would act the same as the mini 3 and mini 4 pro based on the battery weight. I was surprised to hear in this video that the mini 3 pro always broadcasts RID regardless of size of battery!

[@airlaurian]

so what if someone gets rid of the big batteries and owns and flies only the small batteries recreationally

[@randomuser3082]

Great info was thinking of getting the mini 3. I honestly didn’t want to get remote ID I thought all drones need it which made me not want to get it. All I wanted to use it for was when we go off roading

[@caesar5555]

so mini 3 pro broadcasts even with smaller battery?

[@jackcoffey8816]

Does the DJI mini 3 display the remote ID in the controller? My scanner doesn't pick it up, I'm looking to be compliant, but can't seem to locate the drone icon on my controller

[@constanceross4111]

super helpful, i was a tad frustrated and confused having just purchased a DJI mini 3

[@randomuser3082]

You didn’t register at all right? Thinking of getting one

[@DroneovrCB]

Hi Greg, I've got a mini 4 pro with the heavier battery....at least that's what I thought I purchased. Where is the marking for the smaller battery? I WANT to register my mini 4 pro as I'm a part 107 pilot (thanks to your course). My question is...my Mini 4 Pro isn't broadcasting the Remote ID standard with the heavier battery. Any suggestions? Is it a software upgrade that enables the remote ID for the heavier mini 4 pro?

[@michaelbanka5567]

Just bought a DJI mini 4 pro with the standard battery. I would be fine just not registering it, but live is a town with a small airport and restricted air space, that I fly in. I assume if I do not register the drone I cannot ask for permission and fly in that space. Thanks for an answer and for your videos.

[@reeko1605]

My DJI mini 4 pro, is giving me remote id error, preventing me from flying. I am using the small battery, and only own the small battery’s. What do I need to do to get flying??

[@TomDunkes]

I've read most of the comments so apologies if this is a repeat- could i fly Mini 4 with small batteries, unregistered, while studying for part 107 then register and use bigger batteries with RID after certification?

[@BrotherDanielCollinsSr.]

Good morning. I'm very new to drones (DJI mini 3 ), which may need to need to be clarifiedclarified, but I found that Google is my best friend. I recently ran upon your video and bought additional accessories with a larger battery for more flight time. However, I did not know I needed to register due to the weight specs; therefore, I registered anyway. When I get my bigger battery, do you think I will need to register again, or does this only pertain to part 107??

[@robertkaufman1753]

I have a Mini 3 and have never updated the firmware. When I check on the Flight Checklist from the dropdown menu on the right, it says Remote ID functionality normal. It includes a Code number. Do I not need to worry about buying the larger battery or module, assuming I am broadcasting Remote ID? I am part 107 BTW thanks to Greg's excellent teaching.

[@hiramsolis5565]

Question. I have an Autel EvoII pro and wanted to ask what’s the least expensive remote ID module I can buy for this drone and semi least expensive. I’d greatly appreciate your assistance and guidance.

[@moereefer]

So I just ordered mini 3 pro is clear for take off??

[@PilotInstitute]

Yes

[@add9197]

M3P is not affected meaning, it broadcasts RID all the time. So even if you have not registered your drone the drone will broadcast RID. It is good that it can be used for recreational and part 107 with the small batteries and you don't need an external RID module. M3P is a winner.

[@AerialPixel]

Another problem that arises is when you use the standard Mini 3 battery in the Mini 4 Pro it takes it up to 251.8 grams. DJI slimmed down the Mini 4 battery but still said the Mini 3 batteries are compliant when it puts it over weight.

[@PilotInstitute]

From our testing, in this situation the drone broadcasts RID.

[@Mosherose08]

How to I find the remote id number?

[@bruce8448]

Annoyed part 107 user here. Bought this specifically for remote id

[@spladam3845]

I'm not getting a module, I'm going to use the big battery for Part 107, but I'm not buying and flying a module with the small batteries, just because I registered the drone. There are like 1000 folks on the earth that even know the regulation statues.

[@kennethmiller590]

@@spladam3845 i just got the mini4 flymore for christmas and recently passed my 107; i'm pretty upset that i'm now going to have to spend $300 more on a set of batteries that i don't really need :/

[@jeremyanez1527]

Same here. I have six small batteries. 🤬 This is just dumb.

[@sovereignprovisions]

Me too. I looked it up before buying.

[@troygibson6690]

Will I need a module for each small battery? And does each one need a different registration number?

[@briandoran7051]

What if, you registered your mini 4 pro (w/ sub 249g batts) for recreational use (optional, I know) with the knowledge that it had native RID already. Then, DJI switches off the RID on sub 249 batts through firmware update. Can’t I just unregister the drone with the FAA, operate with my Sub 249 batts and be compliant that way? I have noticed that other cancelled drone registrations I have remain in my inventory even though show a cancel status

[@Jasontyo]

I had no idea merely registering the drone then required RID even if under 250g. I dont know what to do now.

[@PilotInstitute]

Just remove it from your inventory and take the registration sticker off.

[@timsheridan1956]

I don’t understand why the FAA would approve DJI to remove remote ID capabilities with the standard battery…. I had no idea this issue existed UNTIL after I had already registered my Mini 4 Pro because I was going to add propeller guards putting it over 249g.

[@hunorszabo6051]

RID Module has an extra wight, which made the drone too heavy for C0 class. How about that?

[@cmritchie04]

How about if DJI makes new mother boards with remote ID and the customer can replace them? Very much so like building your own PC

[@karlbecker8775]

Wouldn't it make more sense to just have a software setting to enable/disable RID?

[@PilotInstitute]

Can't do that, it's against Part 89 regulation. It has to be tamper-proof.

[@karlbecker8775]

@@PilotInstitute Roger that. Thanks for the reply.

[@crazyfoodjunky9233]

@pilotinstitute….new to drones. If I get Part107 license all drones, even 250 g need to be registered and have remote ID?

[@PilotInstitute]

Yes.

[@SkyWalker-wj9bq]

​@@PilotInstituteNo, you do not have to register if you play as a recreational pilot. Please read Part107 carefully.

[@johnbunegru3611]

I not realizing that I didn’t have to register my DJI Neo did so but went back into my account and canceled it. Is that ok or did I mess up? Any info would be greatly appreciated. Being kind of new to drones I thought even the small drones needed to be registered.

[@PilotInstitute]

Not a problem.

[@dmac8207]

I feel dumb here, but I'm lost. I have a mini 3 pro and I have both batteries as a recreational pilot. I was under the impression that the Mini 3 pro had a built in transmission system for RID? Why in any case would I need to buy an external RID module?

[@RebelByNature]

For the time being you are good, the behavior of the mini3 pro has not changed. No need for you to get an external module. There is some competing conjecture on whether the mini 3 pro might change in the future. The Mini 4 pro firmware was updated in late Dec. The Mini 3 was updated in January. The Mini 3 pro has not been updated. Will it follow suit in late Feb or later? TBD. Always in motion the future is. I would suggest you occasionally, or whenever you accept a new firmware update, check the release notes (DJI Mini 3 Pro product page, Downloads, scroll down) for new set of release notes that have a line item of the form: " Added support for automatically activating the US Remote ID only when the aircraft is used with an Intelligent Flight Battery Plus."

[@dmac8207]

@RebelByNature Awesome thanks for the in depth response! So in short all I can hope for is that they leave the M3P out of the whole new firmware regarding RID.

[@markkempton4579]

Also, why do you need to register twice if you're 107. Can't you just use the external RID module no matter which size battery you're flying? Why can't I just keep the module on my drone when I'm flying the extended battery?

[@PilotInstitute]

You have to register twice because it's technically 2 aircraft with 2 different means of RID compliant. One with a module and one with Standard RID. You can't have that on the same registration.

[@markkempton4579]

@@PilotInstitute but if I'm using the external module with both batteries, then my registration is accurate at all times. It's no different than if it was a Mini 2. Just ignore the internal RID.

[@kingisrael1532]

So for a 107 flyer if you have several of these drones you need a module for each drone??? So if you have a M4 and a M3 at $89 bucks a pop for the cheapest module that's $178 bucks 🤦🏾‍♂️. This is crafty🤷🏽‍♂️. They are either going to make a big profit or there will be many drones up for sale behind this

[@markkempton4579]

@@kingisrael1532 DJI doesn't sell modules.

[@kingisrael1532]

@@markkempton4579 I know that. I never stated that DJI sells modules

[@chadkleven]

That was a great breakdown of a very convoluted situation. THANK YOU!!!!

[@ColinBroadwaterRealtor]

My Mini 4 Pro does not broadcast remote id and I have the larger batteries. I purchased this model and the larger batteries because I understood that it does broadcast remote id. So now what???

[@NHILLproductions]

For a Part 107 pilot, why not just fly with the Large battery only. That way you won't need a Remote RID module, Is this correct?

[@maxpro-oh9xs]

@PilotInstitute "...does not apply to the DJI Mini 3 Pro". With the M3P broadcasting RemoteID regardless of battery, that statement needs an explanation. Specifically, if a recreational drone under 250g does not need to be registered and hence RemoteID is not required; does 'not required' mean RemoteID is then optional in this case?

[@PilotInstitute]

The mini3 pro will broadcast remote ID with either battery and regardless of which rules you follow. In other words, it will broadcast even when recreational flyers have the smaller battery and technically wouldn’t need to broadcast.

[@maxpro-oh9xs]

@@PilotInstitute That didn't answer my question. Asking it differently. My drone is broadcasting RemoteID from an unregistered drone weighing under 250g. Is it legal for an unregistered drone to broadcast RemoteID?

[@Pandajuice22]

@@maxpro-oh9xsI've been scouring the internet for hours trying to find the answer to this question. I am confused. Did you figure out if it's legal to have an unregistered drone (under 250) broadcast RemoteID?

[@maxpro-oh9xs]

Well done informative video. Thanks for sharing it with us. On another note though I have to wonder it the current implementation of RemoteID is practical. RemoteID uses Wi-Fi and/or extended range Bluetooth. So in clear space, void of obstacles, it is probably only detectable out to about 400ft or less away. Someone trying to find you may likely visually see you before RemoteID pinpoints you.

[@jamesgraham8386]

So, if you need registration, it's best to use the large batteries only and sell your small ones.

[@ML_1515]

yep

[@Leonbergerss]

How hard is the Part 107 test ? Is that something you take the test online or do you have to go somewhere and take the test ? Great video, thanks for the info

[@PilotInstitute]

It’s 60 questions on a variety of topics. You need 70% to pass. 1/3 of people who self study fail. The test must be done in person at an FAA testing center.

[@Leonbergerss]

@@PilotInstitutethanks

[@1Esteband]

Thank you! You do a great job explaining it but maybe a board or an infographic with a table would help. In the DJI Forum for mini 4 pro. ~ Thank you for reaching out. After updating the firmware of the DJI Mini 4 Pro to v01.00.03.00 or later, only the Intelligent Flight Battery Plus supports broadcasting FAA Remote ID. When using DJI Mini 4 Pro with an intelligent flight battery and if broadcasting is required, we highly recommend installing a third-party RID module that meets the requirements onto the aircraft for compliance operations. We appreciate your understanding.

[@drone_angles]

So if I’m a recreational pilot and have a DJI Mini 3 Pro, it will still broadcast my RI even through it’s not needed?

[@drone_angles]

and it’s not registered on Drone Zone.

[@ML_1515]

Only if u use the big battery

[@drone_angles]

I believe I was told that the M3P broadcasts with both batteries. I need to confirm it somehow??

[@DroneUpp]

I believe I misunderstood my first time watching your explanation. This time I think I better understand. I have the Mini 3 PRO. So, this drone is NOT affected with the use of either battery correct? As you said, just NOT the Mini 3 and the Mini 4 Pro. PLEASE CONFIRM FOR ALL OF US! Thanks for all you do!

[@MR-si2cd]

I wonder why the mini 3 pro is not affected but I’m not complaining, I was putting up not doing the update until I had clarity on what was going on

[@adamkerber5060]

So I only have the big battery’s I have my drone registered under part 107 my license etc. so I don’t have to do anything I’m good?

[@PilotInstitute]

You good!

[@michaelgriffin1179]

In this video, you stated the mini three pro is not affected. I just purchased a mini three pro this week from DJI so are you saying that remote ID is installed in this drone or is not installed in this drone

[@PilotInstitute]

It is installed on the mini3 pro and broadcast with either batteries.

[@michaelgriffin1179]

@@PilotInstitute ok thank you. So will it broadcast your position and everything that comes along with remote ID? I don’t understand why DJI would install that in the sub 250 Drone that doesn’t have to be registered.?

[@thefourthfox]

If DJI was able to release the firmware for the 4, why can’t they release another FW.v that allows users of the small battery to enable RID? Seems like a pretty easy solution.

[@kenkerlin2083]

Did the mini 3 pro come with RID built in?

[@PilotInstitute]

Yes.

[@awaverly]

Not when I got mine. The law had not been enacted then. RID was in a later software update. @@PilotInstitute

[@michaelandreas2177]

Seems to me that DJI could add a setting that would force broadcast of RID regardless of battery size.

[@dylancleveland]

I think this is explicitly banned by the FAA as users would have input.

[@PilotInstitute]

Unfortunately not allowed by the FAA. It needs to be "Tamper proof".

[@ItsKeslo]

​@@PilotInstitute It really is unfortunate how that technicality prevents everyone from being happy in this situation. From a logical standpoint, there really would be no new level of harm in allowing users to force Remote ID on when flying with the standard battery, while preventing it from being disabled when using the larger battery. I mean it really isn't any different than a part 107 pilot choosing or not choosing to comply with Remote ID regulations when flying with the standard battery by choosing or not choosing to use an RID module.

[@robertdodson1823]

I have to question that ("tamper proof" exclusion) because the intent of the FAA is not to allow someone to turn RID OFF through tampering. A switch in this case is being used to turn RID ON and the drone reverts to its normal condition otherwise (which is now specified under its FAA certification). Of course the FAA may look at it as being able to turn the RID off (with the lighter battery and when it's under 250g) but that's only illegal if the drone is registered. These are some really sticky points that needs work by DJI and the FAA.

[@RebelByNature]

This question keeps popping up. People keep saying either how stupid it is not to have the switch or how a simple switch could solve all this. PilotInstitute points out that the regs preclude this. Two things can and and are true at the same time.🤣

[@larryjones2563]

Well done Greg!

[@ShoeGod]

So if I have a mini 3 pro, I need to be part 107 and can no longer fly recreationally? TIA

[@larryjones2563]

Mini 3 pro was not affected. It still broadcasts RID with either battery. Greg says this early in the video.

[@ShoeGod]

@larryjones2563 tbh, I did hear him say that but I think I was so confused and worried to begin with that I didn't allow myself to fully understand. It does make sense now. Thank you

[@ldcam21]

Nice but I registered my mini 4 Recreational because I had to register my Mavic Pro before they come out with remote ID so I had to FAA registration number . So I registered my mini 4 on the drone zone then remote ID came out the big battery I registered it again remote ID . I don’t think I need a module because I have registered mini 4 twice on the drone registered FAA dronezone how that works out.

[@PilotInstitute]

If you registered it in the dronezone, you can just delete it from your inventory list, then it's no longer registered recreationally.

[@warriorpatriot1290]

So if you have mini 3,4pro, if you have prop guard, registered, and big battery, can you fly over people as category 2, since they are in declaration of compliance, and over .55 ibs?

[@PilotInstitute]

Category 2 needs FAA approval. That aircraft doesn’t have approval for cat 2 so no, you can’t.

[@warriorpatriot1290]

@@PilotInstitute thanks, it's a little more than confusing. Is there a DJI drone that you would be "legal" to fly over people? The DJI mini 2 with prop guards, and remote I'd would put it over .55 weight 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@PilotInstitute]

No DJI drone is currently able to fly over people. The Mini series goes over 250g once you put the required prop guard to qualify for Cat 1.

[@warriorpatriot1290]

@@PilotInstitute thanks again for the replies. Are you able to transit over vehicles?

[@PilotInstitute]

No, not unless you have a categorized drone.

[@joyjoy534]

What about flying them in countries that require RID for drones weigh more than 100g?

[@RebelByNature]

this is only true when operating in the US airspace

[@tom95521]

I bought a mini 4 pro kit with 3 large batteries (Amazon like new return). I bought two 249g batteries so I don't have to register. If I get 15 minutes flight time I will be happy. I guess I will have sell the 3 large batteries or register and get another rid module. Thanks FAA.

[@robertyingling2150]

So let me understand this by reading some of these comments I have a Mini 3 Pro and have both batteries will it still have remote ID with the small battery?

[@TechnicalLee]

Yes, unless they also update the firmware on that one too.

[@SteveMartinUSA]

Oh boy, can you imagine trying to explain yourself to others or a park ranger, and then getting in trouble because your understanding was incorrect…

[@mikestone9129]

If I'm posting photos and videos to Facebook, Instagram and TikTok do I have to go part 107, since I'm not monotized and not on KZbin?

[@jtjohnny1021]

Why doesn't this apply to DJI Mini 3 Pro