Removing Paint & Weathering from Models

[@EverardJunction]

Hope you all had a good Christmas and I wish you a happy new year for 2023! I've been busy working on locomotives and rolling stock as I traditionally do at this time of year. Two more videos are in the works to follow this one. I hope to get those ready for the next week or so. Cheers

[@eliotheasman5378]

Brilliant happy new year to all

[@jFrosty2842]

Happy Holidays to you Richard. Thank you for sharing your hobby and videos with us.

[@SteveS3667]

Happy New Year to you too Richard and thanks for all the video's you have done, my layout was as good as it was because of your video's, looking forward to 2023 and a new layout build.

[@davidhorton5965]

Happy New Year to you as well.

[@jFrosty2842]

Amazon's LA's Totally Awesome

[@ashernelson7138]

I’ve had to go back to this video at least 3 times because I usually watch right before bed. Your narration is just to damn soothing and I fall asleep before the video ends

[@TheHongKongHermit]

Thank you for a year full of wonderful videos. It's been an oasis of creativity and craftsmanship, with a wonderful community of kind people in the comments. It's a privilege to be allowed to watch the journey of your layout.

[@unclenolly3207]

Here, here. Well said 👍

[@stephengirling7859]

As a railway modelling fan of over 50 years and having seen literally thousands of layouts over the years i can honestly say that 'Everard Junction' and 'Chandwell' are at the top of my personal favourites. Happy New Year and many thanks for the great videos.

[@robertmatthews8302]

Stephen, I totally agree that Everard Junction and Chandwell are the best, most authentic layouts on KZbin. Best Wishes to everyone for 2023.

[@alexkid1982]

Minsterley is another exceptionally detailed model railway

[@TheHongKongHermit]

Yes, I have notifications on for both Chandwell and Everard Junction and they are the two best on KZbin. Love that one is short and weekly, and the other is bigger chunkier updates, they pair well. Even though it's pretty much a finished layout, Wrenton is well worth adding to your list as it's such a beautiful and relaxing little layout.

[@darren25061965]

Check out "Dean Park" another exceptional layout based on Edinburgh Waverley, you wont be dissappointed.

[@ilricettario]

Thanks for mentioning Chandwell I hadn’t known about this channel, excellent content with some really good ideas.

[@hellooohowareudoing]

Thank you for all of the wonderfully entertaining and informative videos you have produced throughout the year!

[@lindaoffenbach]

A Wonderful and Happy 2023. Thank you so much for taking us along building your new lay out, projects and great ideas. Cheerio 🥂

[@stevefisher5226]

Just wanted to say, I am a modeller but I don't run a rail layout, however I really do enjoy watching your videos. I travelled a great deal on Southern Region throughout the eighties and watching your layout in action brings back many pleasant memories, leaning out the window of a slam door coach on a hot summer afternoon or sitting stationary at signals as other trains ran by. Your attention to detail is superb and your weathering spot on. The view from one of your trains down to the streets and shops below would be identical to a train traveller of the period. Great stuff keep posting. :)

[@henryroberts7098]

9 minutes to midnight on NYE and i am watching this video. I see a good year coming. 😁

[@francis1247]

Best wishes for 2023. Cheers

[@MrAsBBB]

I had to watch this again on New Year’s Day. I may be mad but your layout is like a 3D painting by a famous artist. Every angle has some thing beautiful (in a 1980s way) to see. Ok I have had a few glasses of Champagne 😊 but I am an 80s Child> It brought back a memory of waiting for a train to college a Willesden Junction on a cold January morning when I was about 19… I hope you are proud of what you are achieving here! Thank you

[@DeanPark]

A handy guide to those modellers who have bought rolling stock with awful weathering. Or even for those who’ve weathered something themselves and revisit it years later to improve the effect. Thanks for sharing.

[@melkitson]

Thank you and all the very best for 2023.

[@PaulinesPastimes]

Lovely job. I enjoy buying less than perfect items that I know I can bring back. It's a great way to enjoy the creativity of modelling and you can look back at it and feel like you have saved something. Nice running shots too, very atmospheric. 😊

[@SHVNE]

Your layout gets better and better all of the time. Some of those running shots were as good as any I've seen! Seriously enjoy watching your videos.

[@EverardJunction]

I've got just enough scenery in a few places on the layout to get some nice shots. I've lots more to work on in 2023, cheers

[@nig87101]

Great video Richard, really helpful as well, due to muppet here, in a fit of peak, buying a load of private owner wagons for his late 70's/early 80s' layout! No I don.t, and yes I am! 🤣 Thanks for doing what you do for us railway modellers, your work is truly immense! All the best for 2023.

[@going2thedogs]

What a transformation! Nice work. 👍

[@monkeyvampire]

Big thanks for all the fantastic videos you've made this year Richard. Really appreciate all the care and effort you put into sharing your hobby. Always excited to see the latest developments at Everard Junction, looking forward to seeing what you get up to in 2023!

[@EverardJunction]

Cheers Chris, certainly a lot to work on in the coming year. I hope to progress more with the scenery in several areas.

[@keithdraycott]

Happy New Year. My dad got me into the hobby when I was a kid, I think mainly so he could have a layout 🤷‍♂ Though I no longer partake, your channel brings back some happy memories of better times. Your skill and attention to detail is outstanding and I'm always happy when that notification bell rings. Thank you

[@TheDaf95xf]

Evening Richard. Another great video 👍🏻 Hope 2023 is as exciting as 2022 has been for Everard Junction All the very best Stevie

[@davidcann4329]

Happy New Year to you Richard, I've really enjoyed seeing your efforts over the past year and think your layout is one of the best out there. Hope you had a good Christmas and wishing you a great 2023.

[@dfishpool7052]

Hi Richard; Happy New Year! Many thanks for yet another interesting and informative video - much appreciated.

[@ahshotdown1535]

Happy New Year, great video as ever. Having worked in the industry for 40 years if you had been able to find photos of the bottom of the dogfish hopper you would find that the materials actually polish the area from blue/black down to quite bright silver on the gates. They look great anyway but knowing your attention to detail I just thought you'd like to know.

[@EverardJunction]

Cheers for the info. As you can expect photos of the insides are rare and usually cast in shadows. I found it rather difficult to tell what was there in a number of photos. I'll add that job to the list.

[@ahshotdown1535]

@@EverardJunction Wish I had some photo's for you but alas. Some finer details, Top 1m heavy flaky rust with black patches where the rust flaked off (tiny speckles on your scale). From there down to lower 1m smooth rust as you've already done. Bottom 1m blackish/blue graduating to quite polished steel/ silver in an arc shape lowest points in the corners.The steel angle would wear on the edges from the centre out. Silver polished areas would have rust streaking where rain washed rust down over them. Depending on the age and how much use they'd had there might be odd bits of plate or angle welded in to patch them up, usually a bodged job. Having said all that probably just a lot easier to fill them up with material.☺

[@JPoulAndersson]

Happy new year Richard - beautiful work as always! Rgds From Holland, Joachim

[@barryturner2916]

Hi Richard a very much improved weathered finish and informative video, now I know where to send mine (lol). Hope you and your family had a merry Christmas and wish you all the best for 2023, take care regards Barry..

[@nihalweerasena3692]

Excellent handy work. Thanks for all the informative videos. Best wishes for 2023 and look forward to more of the same.

[@darrylmeredith7895]

Happy New Year Richard - thanks for all of the great learning you give us in your videos - much appreciated.

[@user-bd2ps9eq9t]

Your approach to modelling is refreshing from the seemingly unending meltdowns people are having on RMWeb when a model isn't quite perfect - even down to the box its in! You just get on with it and find a solution. I stopped modelling UK outline a few years ago due to all the dummy spitting on RMWeb which was ruining the hobby for me and this channel is the only UK outline one I subscribe to, the rest being US ones. I've been modelling for 40 years and always open to learning new things, which I have through your channel, especially using a Cricut machine to produce structures etc Many thanks for your excellent channel Richard.

[@EverardJunction]

Thanks very much! Appreciate that and I'm glad you enjoy the videos. Personally I find all the dummy spitting highly amusing. I enjoy lurking in the shadows having a good laugh at the whole thing. Generally I very much enjoy the improvements and details that can be added to the models finding it a hobby in itself. Cheers

[@trainmanbob]

Hope you had a good festive period Richard, and may I wish you a very Happy and Prosperous 2023. Excellent video as always and some very useful tips. Cheers, Bob

[@warwickroadmodelrailway]

Another great video, thanks for sharing. Happy New Year

[@musoseven8218]

Excellent work - superb layout, takes me right back, a real time machine. I've used various methods for removing other people's weathering. But the trickiest in the "to do pile" is one that someone has used acrylics on and the livery underneath is adorned with some intricate decals that, are not, to my knowledge, available. To date my usual methods haven't worked so I may try yours (but test it on a small patch first)🤞🤞🤞😊 Every day is a school day! 👍✌️💜😊

[@EverardJunction]

You might have some success just using a bit on a cotton bud rather than immersing the whole vehicle. As you say best try a small patch first. Cheers

[@musoseven8218]

@@EverardJunction Thanks that's what I was pondering too, baby steps. If not I might do my best and if okay weather atop with "cement dust" effect, or strip it all off, re-wheel it and turn it into an early nuclear flask barrier wagon🤔🤔🤔✌️👍😇

[@aCivilServant]

Richard, if there's one KZbin channel I've constantly been looking forward to some updates not just in 2022, but since you've rebuilt Everard Junction , then it's yours. Thanks for another great video covering not only aspects about layout and buildings, but also rolling stock and locomotives. Hope you have a great 2023 and I'm looking forward to what you have in store for the new year. :)

[@EverardJunction]

Cheers! Glad you enjoyed it. I try to strike a balance between working on the layout vs working on the rolling stock. Keeps me interested and motivated.

[@DeanPark]

It’s certainly got a good mix of content. :-)

[@timsully8958]

Always good to see the layout Richard, and what a fantastic addition those dogfish wagons are now! 😎 As usual, a very thorough and well executed cosmetic improvement which has improved the model immensely! 👍 Thanks for all the great content again in 2022, really looking forward to the next phase, especially as the station develops further 🤓 Cheers mate 🍀🍻👍

[@EverardJunction]

Cheers Tim, glad you enjoyed the videos. As always I have plenty more in the works.

[@ModelTrainOutsider]

Happy New Year, Richard! I wish I could remember the brand, but at work we had an ink, paint and stain remover that took EVERYTHING but the original finish off. Great stuff. I... ahem... "acquired" a bottle from work when I realized how good it was, then they stopped carrying it. Great stuff.

[@techauthor324]

Literally the only thing missing from the layout is rain. So realistic. Best wishes to all for 2023.

[@MrAsBBB]

Happy New Year to you. Thank you for everything you have done in 2022. It’s been such fun watching every instalment. As long as you enjoy it keep it up. Much love Alex

[@EverardJunction]

Cheers Alex. I very much enjoy progressing with the layout. Secret is to keep working on different stuff and not get bogged down with one particular task.

[@davetevens5080]

Happy new year Richard. Loved all the vids over the years and hope to see more this year 🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@mikeatpudhamjunction2323]

Happy new year to you and yours when it gets here. Stay safe.

[@paulsngaugechannel]

Very useful information and a great deal of action. Thanks again for another wonderful video showing another way of getting the rolling stock into a good condition. Yes weathering is subjective to the individual, sometimes it’s good Not to do it. Brilliant video. 🎉

[@Chris-BognorRegis]

That was absolutely brilliant, very interesting and extremely helpful. As for the running session at the end, as always totally awesome. Regards Chris

[@1BCamden]

Hi Rich, all the very best for the new year. Great episode, definitely going to see if I can track down some of the LA’s product here in Australia. Thanks as always for taking the time to share this

[@CraigLYoung]

Thanks for sharing and Happy New Year to you and your family 👪

[@kittonsmitton]

Great tips and a good job on those wagons, I love the movement of other trains and cars at the same time, some CGI figures placed into the video would amazing if done well. Hope your Christmas celebrations with friends and family were memorable and that your New Years will be great, all the best for 2023, please keep em' coming!

[@DeanPark]

GCI figures?

[@georgethomas7814]

Happy New Year to you too. Great work thanks for taking the time to put this out.

[@TheAjellisuk]

Motive power; that is a blast from the past!

[@wally1022]

👍 Happy New Year to you and family

[@NicholassTrainChannel]

Happy new year Richard. Nice job on the wagons. They look great. Thanks for all the videos during 2022 it's been a pleasure watching them. - Nicholas.

[@EverardJunction]

More to come in 2023. Cheers!

[@a11csc]

nice vid to end the year on.roll on 2023

[@philcorrin1035]

I go weak at the knees for some ballast train action, especially when 37 hauled! Your rake looks so prototypically real.

[@DeanPark]

Something about Dutch livery that is appealing. I’ve added a few of the sea cows to my dean park fleet. They look stunning all weathered up. But I put mine behind a dirty blue 37 :-)

[@johnodonoghue7381]

Great video Richard certainly made them look brighter proper job as so to speak , Happy New Year to you also thank you .

[@Mitche01]

Nice informative video Richard. Happy new year, Simon.

[@mattlund8170]

Another great video 👌, your vids have been an inspiration as I to model this era I,e bit later early 90s, have a happy new year and long may the excellent videos keep coming when they can

[@johnclarke2997]

Nice work Richard. Hopefully more good videos next year.

[@michaelbottomley2520]

Happy New Year to you too

[@jimrivett9926]

Happy New Year and thank you for all your videos. Although I'm not a model railway guy (I'm a plastic modeller) I always seems to pick up something new from you this time it was LA's Totally Awesome! I live in Los Angeles (LA) and the stuff is available from Home Depot and Lowes.

[@EverardJunction]

I watched a number of videos from the US testing various products when I was researching. Simple green and purple power performed well but the LAs stuff seems to be the most effective. Cheers

[@highdownmartin]

Great vid and excellent job as always. These wagons weren’t always empty even when they were empty. There’d quite often be a cluster of ballast caught at the bottom and on the doors. Stuff that hung up when the doors were dropping, that has subsequently rattled down to the lowest point. And caught up round the end platforms too, overspill from loading. So just 9.75/10 from me!

[@EverardJunction]

I have done that to some of my Seacows in the past. looks very effective. Cheers

[@DeanPark]

9.75/10…I’m sure he’d take that.

[@davidstrains4910]

Great video here Richard, when I do a repaint instead of removing the livery just paint primer over the livery then when it is dry I start painting the livery I want to do a model in. Have a good new year.

[@EverardJunction]

I do the same. However I do remove the transfers as they often show through the new paint. Cheers

[@InterCity134]

Well the cleaner , according to it’s filed Material Safety Data Sheet, contains: Butyl Carbitol Ecosurf EH-9 Sodium Metasilicate Tetra Sodium EDTA Water I’m guessing the butyl carbitol is the primary active solvent wirth the rest just being helper ingredients. Find a local cleaner/degreaser with that as the active active ingredient and give it a try. As a more aggressive “remover” LUX DLE will remove factory paints often , and can be applied with a cotton bud/swab to remove logos of you need to rebadge a factory paint job. Though it can get to the underlying plastic if not careful. Light rubbing with a not fully wet swab is the key there.

[@jamfjord]

And that is how it's done. Nice work. Thanks 👍

[@DeanPark]

Very informative. I’ll keep that in mind when Dipping my stuff in it!

[@robertlussenburg1770]

Happy new year !

[@PerthMRC]

Thanks for another really useful video which got me thinking about a ScotRail BG coach I bought second hand which was apparently professionally weathered. I felt it was too dirty. I'd has a go a few years back with 70% IPA which had little impact, this time I went for 99.9% IPA. Much better results. I did them give it a clean with soapy water to remove any left over IPA. Totally agree with your advice on checking prototypes, whilst some MK BG were manky, those in passenger rakes such as my ScotRail one would have been a bit cleaner as they would have gone through the carriage cleaner with the other passenger coaches in the rake I suspect. I couldn't upload a before and after photo so have added them to the RMWEB Everard Junction page.

[@katielucas3178]

I use Dettol disinfectant cleaner for paint stripping. The brown stuff that contains Chloroxylenol -- usually available in Tesco, Sainsburys etc. Do not leave plastics in it for very long (they go soft) or get undilute cleaner on your hands (the skin'll come off). It will dissolve acrylic paint and enamel into a goo that can be scrubbed off. It will also substantially weaken superglue and 2-part putties.

[@EverardJunction]

I've heard good stuff about Dettol from a few people. Cheers for the info.

[@herrkiwi3110]

Usually straight water first and then a progression up to a 50/50 mix of 99% isopropyl alcohol and water is a good place to start and in my experience will remove most paints and matte varnish solutions, however it can sometimes get into the factory paints ever so slightly the higher the content of isopropyl alcohol.

[@milepost4846]

Wow! Nice layout!

[@wolfpack4694]

Impressive, yet again! Great tip. Thanks!

[@marklittlejohn1457]

Wot a transformation excellent work as usual thankyou for the tips and video

[@andyhutchinson987]

I have one recommendation on the varnish for you. Testors Dullcoat. A lot of people who paint figure would rate this as the best matt varnish you van buy, myself included. So if you need something you know is going to do a good job when you need it, have a look at this. Watch out for people hiking the price up. UK shops do have a stock, I say that because it can go out of stock pretty quick as soon as figure painters see it in stock. As for a paint stripper if you can find it, Use green stuff, and thats it's name. well worth a look if you have a part of the layout you need to be careful with. Check the reviews of these and see what you think

[@brentleajunction]

Happy new year Richard all the best for 2023 keep up with the great work you are doing cheers Paul

[@mykelsalter7941]

Just wanted to wish you a Merry Christmas and Happy New year. I enjoy all your videos and even the opening music on each one. brings back a lot of amazing memories. I am working on a project myself at the moment and looking for some advice. I want to build the inside of tunnel so when i run a camera car around it looks like the train is going thru an actual tunnel. Any ideas or help would be great. Thank you for being an amazing artist with your layout.

[@EverardJunction]

You could use some plasticard (brick or stone) and curve it to the shape or the tunnel portal. You'd need some sort of frame for it to attach to and hold it's shape. Doing that on curved track would be difficult though. Hope that helps.

[@brianrobinson2962]

Awesome job mate

[@ausfoodgarden]

I think quite a lot of the degreasers you can buy might work ok. I've mostly used "Diggers" brand in the past but you have to be careful not to leave it in too long (like days on end) as it will start pulling the original paint off. I use "Simple Green" degreaser now which takes longer but is less aggressive. So far so good.

[@paulwalker427]

Excellent work

[@maasbuurtspoor2019]

Best wishes for 2023, Richard 🙂 I am Peter from Arnhem, the Netherlands. I've been following your channel for a quite a while now. Your new layout looks fantastic with all the trains, builds and details, I love it. I also have models, but in <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="82">1:22</a>.5 G garden track. All my self-built diesel tram locomotives and passenger carriages are from various Dutch tram companies, as they ran 90 years ago. These models look like new and I want them all weathered. In one of your earlier videos you did a tutorial on weathering models. Can you tell me what video this was, because I can't find it..? Thnx in advance and greetings from The Netherlands

[@daviemaclean61]

Nice job. Grubby but not heading for the scrap yard just yet!

[@Joker33743]

Another great video. Are you going to put a refuelling depot anywhere on your layout.

[@loudelponte9070]

Have followed your site for years and admire your great work. Can you tells us about your retaining walls.? Thanks Lou

[@EverardJunction]

They are made by Wills Kits, code is SS52. Good little kit and very popular in the hobby. Cheers

[@edmorris631]

Hello Richard, I’d love to know what colour combinations you used for the rusting olive wagons? They look spot on. All the best, -Ed

[@PrinzEugen176]

LA's Totally Awesome can strip factory paint but you would have to lay them in the stuff for a long while in my experience, I've stripped older coaches down to bare plastic by letting it soak for weeks, it does leave some primer on ribbing type details, but you can easily clean that with Iso-Alcohol

[@clivejolley6881]

Nice video as always Thanks. As an alternative try a wagon in methylated spirits, about the same time, same process, easy to get hold of. Can you let us know please where you get all your water slide transfers, labels etc from.

[@JamesPetts]

Quite the improvement!

[@peteedwards7157]

Great content as ever. Do you find the cleaner shifts factory weathering too? You have inspired me to repaint my weathered HSA to Red HEAs and wonder what prep you used on yours.

[@EverardJunction]

I've had some luck with factory weathering. It certainly seems harder to shift. However that can be handy if you just want to tone it down. For my HSAs I just sprayed straight over the original finish. Cheers

[@MichaelHenfrey]

I wonder if the cleaner would work in an ultrasonic cleaner? (if you could get a big enough one)

[@EverardJunction]

I does work. However the heat generated during the cleaning process causes quite a bit of evaporation. I have a small ultrasonic cleaner which is very handy for the airbrush. Cheers

[@harystone]

Good work Richard, thanks for share it. Would you link where I can buy this cleaner? I would like to try. Greetings from Hungary.

[@mbenn8168]

Vallejo Paint - IPA 100% Isopropyl Alcohol. Excellent, leave to soak and agitate after a while. 'Plated' chromey plastic parts - Immerse in Domestos. Enamel paint - Mr Hobby Tool Cleaner (Bad fumes, wear mask, do outdoors). As said, don't be tempted to leave things immersed and go away on holiday for two weeks - Lots of plastics will start to degrade after a while.

[@BigAndTall666]

Oven cleaner / toilet cleaner / caustic soda is the BEST!

[@darkmatterfalls101]

Theres one thing missing that was on most tracks of this era ////? bog rolls come on we all did it ;-)

[@dangerousandy]

Nice one

[@davew2452]

Thanks for the video. Just wondering if you dilute the cleaning solution or is it neat in the cleaning jar. Dave

[@EverardJunction]

So far I've been using it neat. I've not tried diluting it. Cheers

[@johnpapworth433]

Hiya, so I could use that dabbed onto the transfers of my new class 08 - to remove the numbers from the old pre-TOPS then?

[@EverardJunction]

Worth a try as it's quite gentle stuff. You may need to try more aggressive methods depending on whether the number is a transfer or printed. Enamel thinner, T-cut, IPA or Brasso are some of the things people use the remove numbers. Cheers

[@TheWanderer1000000]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="182">3:02</a> "Removes Blood Stain" ok...

[@JanetSuggitt]

I am wanting to buy my hubby a new controller as he has a Guagemaster Prodigy but it only has 20 loco functions. I am thinking of the Z21 by Roco and Fleichman. Is his a good controller or is there others that are better. It needs to go up to at least 28 loco functions as I bought him an Accurascale Deltic 55. Love your channel

[@EverardJunction]

The Z21 is a good unit. There are a few versions of it I think, I'm not familiar not having one myself. My current controller is also limited and I'm looking to upgrade in future. Very difficult to determine which controller is best due to so many variables. However from what I've read the Z21 is well regarded in the hobby. Hope that helps.

[@alan-sk7ky]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1149">19:09</a> oop, there go Bodie & Doyle, looking for some cardboard boxes to drive the Capri through...

[@StormmyStormmy]

Hi, just seen this video, there are some wagons online that were weathered by TMC, do you think TMC weathering can be removed? i've never been a fan of weathering, fair play to those whom do like it.

[@TheSonofruss]

Simple green and purple power

[@CycolacFan]

Interesting the first thing listed that the LA cleaner removes is blood stains… then wine and liquor… 😂

[@decidedly_retro]

With respect to weathering reference photos, I some photos I took in 1985 of sealion/seacow wagons in dutch livery but dirty as hell, to the point where you can hardly see the yellow top. If you would like a copy message me and we can find a way of getting the file to you. Those dogfish, seacow and sealion wagons are *FAR* too clean. ;-)

[@barkingmouse8152]

Is the LA'S diluted?

[@EverardJunction]

I use it neat, not tried it diluted.

[@walesandwest]

i am looking for help if possible please, i am hoping to model a class 769, i have got the model but i am finding it hard to finish this model off, i have ask lot's of modeling companies for help and they can't, i am looking for someone that can 3D print the driving car under floor detail if possible please or if you know of someone willing to help me finish this model please

[@Whiskey2shots]

What couplers do you use?

[@Mitche01]

the couples on the dogfish are called Kadee (big in US) and available over here in UK.

[@Whiskey2shots]

@@Mitche01 ah brilliant thank you! I rather like the look of them over normal NEM pockets

[@Whiskey2shots]

@@Mitche01 any idea if they're NEM compatible?

[@Mitche01]

Yes they are, the come in different lengths depending on the distance from the nem pocket to the end of the item of rolling stock you use them on.

[@Whiskey2shots]

@@Mitche01 brilliant thank you!

[@jctothel]

Fucking excellent little vid, thanks!

[@PeterPete]

People are never happy!! Modellers will always find something wrong with their models and find ways of improving their model making!! It's no different to a dog chasing its tail. I always thought the idea of building a layout is to build it then enjoy it for years to come but it seems people are never happy with what the've got and what they've achieved, always wanting more, always wanting to improve and always wanting to be the best. In reality they never go anywhere!!