Repairing a Festool KS120EB mitersaw, with a burnt out motor. retrofit kit.

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@ElMariachi1337 4 ай бұрын

Festool is pretty popular in NL, probably because it's a brand that's made by our neighbours, especially carpenters swear by that brand. Yes they are expensive, but the KS120 mitresaw/TS55 plungesaw/OF1010 router and CS70 table saw are probably among if not the best machines in their league. Festool machines having done over 15 years of work are no exception, I see them all the time in our workshop. Also people seem to forget you are somewhat paying for their 3 years all inclusive warrenty, which means everything will be repaired in those 3 years for free, whereas every other brand will label leads/brushes/mechanical parts as wearable parts and therefore not warrenty. Even if the machine is broken due to a customers fault like a machine falling down the stairs, they will repair it 1 time for free. Thank you for the video Dean, was nice seeing a Festool for a change.

@gutsngorrrr 4 ай бұрын

Just knowing that festool looks after you with cheap(ish) spares compared to other manufacturers, has changed my mind about the tools.

@rocketmunkey1 4 ай бұрын

I think the litmus test for any tool manufacturer to be consider "professional " is if they are economical to repair, if they're not economical to repair, then they are just "cheap' disposable's with over inflated prices, case in point Milwaukee and Hilti, its cheap £50 DIY tools you thrown in bin if something breaks on them, not tools supposedly for professionals costing £100+ "quality" and expensive items should be economically maintainable !

@nakchAk 4 ай бұрын

The problem with festool is that they really hook you into their system, such as the proprietary locking power lead, that said they build to last and service, love the fact you can access the parts lists and diagrams online, have been steadily buying and repairing a decent collection of festool kit now, somehow I blagged a kapex needing a motor refurb kit for less than the kit costs with all accessories! So for me it's a no brainier to get a kapex for less than the cheapest dual bevel mitre saw I can buy from DIY store....

@SteifWood 4 ай бұрын

Glad to have an objective review of a Kapex machine. It's widely known as having the best dust extraction. So apart from work shops it's also excellent for tradesmen who work in quarters where ppl currently live or work, like finish/trim carpenters in houses and offices.

@goodcat6017 4 ай бұрын

I like tinkering with power tools I've fixed a few dewalt tools for a friend of mine saving him hundreds of pounds in replacement tools so your chanle is my go to for information thank you keep up the good work you do your teaching us tinkerers

@beachthor1 4 ай бұрын

I have never used 80% of the tools you repair YET I CONTINUE TO WATCH

@michaelfairchild 4 ай бұрын

I yet to see any of my tools at his repair shop and those are Bosch and Makitas. Only thing he has that I also have are those Wera screwdrivers.

@beachthor1 4 ай бұрын

I bought that red Wiha screwdriver as my poke around tool on my workbench 😂

@andrewlacerenza667 3 ай бұрын

Me too. I use tools for repairs at my home, but tradesman is not my career.

@nakchAk 2 ай бұрын

One other tip, when it comes to fitting and removing the 50mm m5 bolt at the rear of the housing, dean removes the plastic arm, you don't need to, instead engage extra depth mode (pull the carriage forward, pull the spring loaded leaver at the rear on the bevel mechanism forward and push the carriage back on it till it goes click) now when you push down the saw head the extra depth enabled allows the bolt to align with the access hole in the plastic piece and you can easily access it without risking the plastic clips holding that plastic bit in and you don't need to force the bolt head over the casting the carriage rails are connected too.

@markojuros6533 4 ай бұрын

In my opinion, a very high initial cost but with long durability and replacement parts at a reasonable cost in the end they are a good deal. 17 years of use, the engine is replaced and it still runs, it really seems like a good deal to me.

@jasonvandervalk3679 4 ай бұрын

My thoughts also

@SlowExpensive 4 ай бұрын

That was true 17 years ago. Not so much these days. I'm a kapex owner with a fried motor after an embarrassingly low number of cuts. And my table was warped. The dust collection is not enough without a hood to work in a client's home either.

@Surmoka 4 ай бұрын

You can buy a high-end Borscht for half the price and they don't last one day shorter than the Festering Stool. So, IMHO, still no.

@zaxmaxlax 4 ай бұрын

To be fair I have an old einhell mitter saw, probably 20 years old. I literally cut scrap wood to make firewood with it. Tools from 15 years ago were simply made better. Festool are too expensive for most people, a cordless track saw kit is like over 1000 euros, doesnt even come with the 300 bucks rail, if you want the drill to use the same battery thats another 300.

@markojuros6533 4 ай бұрын

@@zaxmaxlax It is very true that the tools from 15 or 20 years ago were reliable and durable, I have a black and decker drill 20 years ago, made in England but inside it has German parts, considered for domestic use but I have made a living with that machine , it never overheats, but the gear and the bushings are quite worn, I hope to one day find those parts and use it again. I am quite far from purchasing Festool, that is why I chose Bosch to gradually replace my old tools, if they give me only half the time of that old drill I am more than satisfied.

@nakchAk 2 ай бұрын

Tip if your reassembling the internals, set the bevel to 45 degrees, your not fighting gravity trying to get it all back together...

@josephking6515 4 ай бұрын

I sort of know how difficult this job was because you made it look fairly easy. *Thank you* for the video Dean. 👍

@jason-hh6lu 4 ай бұрын

That saw has done it’s time and then some. Festool is my brand of choice. Nice video Dean. I don’t know how you remember where all the parts go when it’s a tool you don’t deal with all the time. 😂 I had a Festool PSB 300 110V jigsaw that I used on site. It lasted over 10 year, cutting and scribing chipboard and MDF, 40mm worktops, coping skirting and it got dropped weekly. Worth every penny, it was accurate until the day it died.

@AnthonySmith-hr2kp 4 ай бұрын

Pretty cool a combo part, not a bad price. Nice job Dean.

@leeberry9666 2 ай бұрын

Great video Dean.

@deandohertygreaser 2 ай бұрын

Thanks 👍

@michaelfairchild 4 ай бұрын

I love Festool sortainers and systainers from those mini ones I use for bits to those with drawers, but cant convince myself to buy a Festool powertool itself. I'll stick to my Makita LXT and XGTs.

@ElMariachi1337 4 ай бұрын

I guess it also comes down to what type of work you do. I wouldn't recommand Makita if you are into carpentry, but I wouldn't recommand Festool if you are into construction either.

@michaelfairchild 4 ай бұрын

@@ElMariachi1337 I own both and as a Makita fan, I was sold with Festool due to more sturdy build. Makita seems more flexiable. I got to give some grief to Makita for not updating their Makpac line, cause they still use same old design that Festool used, since both of them took their boxes from Tanos company. Other factor is also pricing. Makita version of Sortainers is 50-100% more expensive than actual Festool, but its completely opposite when it comes to their normal boxes. I do agree that I would not run around with Festool boxes around random construction, but for a different reason. Then again Festool is a company more aimed at cabinet making and things like finishing kitchens etc.

@paulfinnonjoinery 4 ай бұрын

my ks120 burnt out a couple of months back so i sent it back to festool uk and they repaired it for actually a lot cheaper than i anticipated. £230 all in which i thought was a very fair price. new motor, new brushes, new blade guard, new angle adjust lever and something else also... weirdly enough its now quieter than it used to be. its a 9 year old machine. my ts55 has just gone in also as part of the housing was damaged. thats an 11 year old machine so see what happens there

@deandohertygreaser 4 ай бұрын

That's a very good price from a main brand. If that was hilti they would charge the price of a new machine.

@paulfinnonjoinery 4 ай бұрын

@@deandohertygreaser yea I was expecting double the price to be honest. Pleasantly surprised when they emailed me with the prices

@nakchAk 4 ай бұрын

Perfect timing I'm half way through the same thing

@zaxmaxlax 4 ай бұрын

I would never imagine festool were "cheap" to repair. 170 bucks you get the armature + the assembly + the controller. This puts milwacky and the other brands to shame.

@SteifWood 4 ай бұрын

Possibly bcs Festool knows that an owner - in 99% of the cases - will use their dedicated repair shops instead of an independent shop as the majority of these are professional tradesmen with no time/cannot afford to wait for parts. It's just another way a company makes money.

@fredholmes6284 4 ай бұрын

Milfukee

@michaelfairchild 4 ай бұрын

Putting Milwaukee with their scummy repair practices and disposable DIY tools to even Parkside is an insult to Parkside. Only other brand that can get same hate for scummy repair practices would be Hilti. On the other side, Makita XGT is out for 4 years and Dean yet to get a single XGT machine.

@MrArcticPOWER 4 ай бұрын

@@michaelfairchild I usually agree with you, but your last sentence is pure bias. I've never seen a modern Ryobi on this chanel but I know they're junk.

@zaxmaxlax 4 ай бұрын

@@michaelfairchild 40v tools arent popular, at least in europe.

@plunder1956 4 ай бұрын

What a surprise to get so much from Festool.

@dougsaunders8109 4 ай бұрын

I have one of those saw love it. Looking at that machine fella could do with investing in a new blade to take the load off the new motor 😁. Interesting in the price for spares 👍🏻

@stevejagger8602 4 ай бұрын

This is the correct way to look after your customers. Fesstool have put a lot of thought into their design to produce an accurate mitre saw which will last for many years without repair. €170 plus labour is little to pay for 17 years of reliability. I am surprised that they not only supply the whole motor and drive assembly but also the electronic driver board.

@NitroTrinker 4 ай бұрын

Ahhhh watch out. Parts for Festool are pretty expensive. There are some maschines with these kits and so the repair is doable. If you buy this parts seperatly, you will pay a lot more. For a TS 55 the armature only costs ~120€.

@stevejagger8602 4 ай бұрын

@@NitroTrinker probably but my point is that the equipment is well made and gives many years of work without repair - that is not common these days with few exceptions. So purchasing quality repair parts is a good investment to give a quality tool more good years of service.

@petrokemikal 2 ай бұрын

That saw has done a power of work to have the commutator wore away like that, ive never seen that much wear on a motor i dont think..

@captainahab5650 4 ай бұрын

I need to replace the guard assembly and bevel lock on a kapex. The one I have is a bit old, but it is a nice saw. runs and cuts better than my milwaukee 12 inch slider. Festool is typically too rich for my blood, but a chance facebook marketplace find might have me rethinking how I invest in tools.

@Stefan_Kawalec 4 ай бұрын

Unfortunately for newer versions (Kapex 120 REB) the same set is 300 Euro. As for accuracy - Makita LS 1219L is as accurate as Kapex, but has 12" cutting capability. As for dust collection - nothing special, again Makita LS 1219L is as good as Kapex. I have both and Kapex is smaller and lighter plus when bought with side stands is easier to set-up. But with those stands (KS 120 REB-Set-UG) it is 2800 Euro while Makita with WST-05 or WST-06 stand is 1200 Euro. Great video as always.

@kizzjd9578 4 ай бұрын

Makita fence isnt straight or 90°

@Surmoka 4 ай бұрын

@@kizzjd9578 which you kan adjust in 5 minutes

@michaelfairchild 4 ай бұрын

@@kizzjd9578 I could argue that you had them all and all werent straight or 90. If you buy any mitre saw, circular/track saw, table saw etc. it is a good thing to check, if everything is align. It having Festool or Mafel logo doesnt change the fact that it might not be accurate, due to factory assembly or just transport.

@kizzjd9578 4 ай бұрын

@@michaelfairchild its been confirmed by hundreds of makita users in australia and around the world. I myself have physically confirmed 4 of them are all the same. They arent machined properly.

@zaxmaxlax 4 ай бұрын

@@Stefan_Kawalec For comparison, the makita motor cost 70 bucks, and the controller 40 bucks. Well worth fixing for that price. What I dont get is when a 150eur drill or grinder has a 120eur motor+controller+switch kit.

@shifty277 4 ай бұрын

Just grabbed the DHR263 used, it gets quite warm quite easily around the brush holder section when just drilling 5.5mm holes. 1st Step take out the brushes and have a look at the stator? Thumbs up.

@Josh-df3jc 3 ай бұрын

Hi dean great video could you tell me what grease you used please thanks

@gillardricky 4 ай бұрын

Hi had the same problem it was just out of warranty and festool picked it up and repaired it

@darylhudson777 4 ай бұрын

Now I'm thinking if the initial cost plus the maintenance over the years is less for the Festools compared to the less expensive tool brands then it's worth it to get the more precise tool

@michaelmazzen 4 ай бұрын

The accuracy out of the box is unparalled. And it just keeps going day out and day in. People complain about purchase price which is meaningless in the grand scheme of things - the ROI on a saw like this is unbeatable... Buy once cry once.

@jasonvandervalk3679 4 ай бұрын

You get what you pay for with quality parts. For a $170 that is not expensive!

@taniboi421 2 ай бұрын

Hi, can you send me link to purchase this part please. My Kapex blown too and I've just dismantle it. Guiding by this very very useful video. Thank you SO much!!

@Tom-ti8kw 4 ай бұрын

Hi Dean, what spade connectors are you using in the video?

@deandohertygreaser 4 ай бұрын

Right angle spade connectors with a rubber cover

@Tom-ti8kw 4 ай бұрын

@@deandohertygreaser Do you know from what manufacturer they were?

@jdmccorful 4 ай бұрын

@Tom-ti8kw you can usually find them at refrigeration supply houses .

@jonashermansson2519 4 ай бұрын

Nice with Festool, not very often we see them in the channel. I would much more prefer to just get a new motor with bearings and tachometer magnet ring but without the rest. Same for the lower gear. Just seems a bit pricy to change all those parts for no reason.

@geoffb108 4 ай бұрын

Did you start by videoing the dismantling of tools so you could replay if you had problems. I always forget what goes where and where did that screw go ?

@AnthonyRBlacker 4 ай бұрын

I have a friend who swears by his Festool track saw. I've never needed a track saw to make cuts that accurate, so I wouldn't bother with the expense.. but, he swears by it.

@patrickcowan8701 4 ай бұрын

They make the best track saws. Worth the money compared to DeWalt and Makita.

@SteifWood 4 ай бұрын

I guess he doesn't like dust ... especially mdf.

@Surmoka 4 ай бұрын

@@patrickcowan8701 according to AvE, they don't. Check his video, he dismantled a $1000 Festering Stool traxaw and was pretty shocked by the innards.

@zaxmaxlax 4 ай бұрын

@@AnthonyRBlacker Their track saws have that thing were if you tilt them to 45° they still cut on the same line as 90°. Crazy...

@TheSir2005 3 ай бұрын

@@Surmoka AvE is a tool, that guy has no idea what he's talking about.

@Surmoka 4 ай бұрын

Hi Dean, what is your opinion on the original Metabo tools quality-wise? (The dark green ones, not Hikoki.)

@woodandtools46 4 ай бұрын

tres bonne scie mais ces derniere année le prix a bien augmenté, j'en ai reparer une de A a Z c'est tres bien fait a l'intérieur.

@DavidMG99 4 ай бұрын

👍👍

@JohnWick-mi4hy 4 ай бұрын

Didn't you just clean those screwdrivers!?! 😅

@markojuros6533 4 ай бұрын

@@JohnWick-mi4hy Good question😁😁😁

@deandohertygreaser 4 ай бұрын

Yes, filmed on 2 different cameras, one on portrait the other on landscape.

@JohnWick-mi4hy 4 ай бұрын

@deandohertygreaser really enjoy your videos bud. I'm going to attempt to fix up an older Craftsman 10" miter saw I found. Fingers crossed

@tommcl8548 4 ай бұрын

👍

@HerbieBancock 3 ай бұрын

Worn brushes and "burnt out" are two completely different things.

@marcmalloy184 4 ай бұрын

They really don’t make it easy to get into do they 🤯

@AllanBirch-yw4cc 4 ай бұрын

🇦🇺👏👍😉

@paulcresswell1690 4 ай бұрын

A mechanic once told me that, German cars are good.......but way too over engineered. Festool seem to be too......

@deandohertygreaser 4 ай бұрын

Germany loves rules and engineering, they make quality well engineered products. Use it as they specify, follow the maintenance schedule and they will last you a lifetime. Japan also loves engineering, but they also feel things should work as they are ment to. But the Japanese know you won't maintain it or use it correctly, so they engineering products to last even if you don't maintain them. That's why you buy a Toyota or a Honda over a audi or Mercedes if you want a reliable car.