Why F1 Style Aero is Killing MotoGP!

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This week, I get on my soapbox about aero and the affect it's having on MotoGP racing. I'm joined by good mate, Graham Hardie, whose son, Mikey we sponsor in British Supersports.
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[@REPerformanceUK]

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[@weaselswheels5258]

@REPerformance I agree with some of what you are saying about aero and I prefer motogp without aero and ride height and launch control I even think they should minimise rider aids! But I don’t agree with what you said about being able to make it to the gp paddock from supersport or superbike plenty of people have done it over the years! Toseland, bayliss, Colin edwards, cal crutchlow, Ben spies, Chris vermullen to name but a few! As for jake Dixon if he is good enough he will get a ride! Just out of interest who would you replace for jake? What you said about Jonnie rea not getting the Honda ride is a bit disingenuous who were Honda meant to drop to give him the ride pedrosa or Marquez?

[@REPerformanceUK]

@@weaselswheels5258no Brit will get on a GP bike! Jake had some wildcards but won’t get the step. Rory needed 500k to ride in Moto2. Not even Toprak can get in. Yes riders did it in the past the last one being Cal and Brad but that was over 10 years ago! Not even Sam got to retain his Moto 2 ride!

[@weaselswheels5258]

@@REPerformanceUK Sam also made it to MotoGP. If jake is good enough he will get the step up! Bradley smith I’m assuming you are talking about? Yes smith got to MotoGP so did Scott reading but they both came through the ranks 125, moto2 then stepped up to gp so the path is easier if you are already in the paddock. But my point is if you are good enough you will get there! If jake wins moto2 he has a great chance of getting a ride. Look at pedro came on the scene a few years ago and he’s already in MotoGP why? Because of his talent he won moto3 moto2 and is a future gp champ imho! Love your videos especially the bike content 👍

[@evo0074]

how can the guy say just look at the values when they literally removed racing with all of this .... lap times are better yes ... next year we perform this on rails then its even more better ha.. perform jaa... xd

[@A.J.1656]

The racing is as good as ever. There were 10 different riders to score victories (if you count the sprint races) and every manufacturer scored podium finishes. Yamaha was the only bike that didn't score a win and they were the only team to only have 2 bikes. The championship came down to the final race. The runner-up was a satellite team and third place was a one year old bike. I know it's really fashionable to pretend things aren't good, but don't let other people try to convince you there's anything lacking in the competition.

[@TANGYHATCHY]

The engineering geek in me DESPISES the war on everything cool to go faster. If it was up to these guys we would have a spec series with pack racing that’s incredibly dangerous and impossible to set up a pass.

[@davonmulder8458]

Sounds like a great season

[@Aashiq3]

The question is not about how many winners, the question is how close is each race?

[@A.J.1656]

@@Aashiq3 Close. You should start watching.

[@yungbenis9357]

@@A.J.1656the racing is close sure but there’s no actual back and forth battles between riders. Vinales was like 0.3 back all the way until he crashed and didn’t have a single chance to overtake. Where’s the fun in that?

[@newagetemplar6100]

To make bike racing fair every rider should have an 8x4 sheet of plywood strapped to their back . That would take any aero advantage away and sort the men from the boys . They carry all sorts on motorcycles in India 😂

[@jamesmedina2062]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂u got me rolling mate! Bikes and wood are my games but not mixed like that .... YET!

[@Briefcase217]

This comment made my day! 🤣😂🤣

[@shoominati23]

It's interesting how, at the beginning of the 1000cc era, they went for single shorty exhaust systems that terminated just outside the bellypan. Now they are running a long 4-2-1 system. To me the best period was 08 - 12 when they were wheelspin drifting around corners like King Kenny showed us how..

[@jamesmedina2062]

there is lots of tech that does not get done unless you have: engineers, smart people, or combo and money added. With dynos today you can be sure that optimum combo is being achieved but don't forget about noise and emissions too. Specifically if you have the hi pressure internal pressure meeting atmospheric pressure with drop but use a conical reducer it can really increase flow. Lots of people don't care but stuff like this has an impact. It all does!

[@carlosandleon]

they still don’t have traction control and abs afaik so the lack of wheelspin is just a testament to their skill

[@toddthezondalover645]

Tires have come way too far in a decade for skids. Even GT3s don't wiggle like they used too. The falloff/tire degradation is too steep

[@NBSV1]

A 4-2-1 system tends to make more average power through the power band. The single shorty 4-1 tends to make more peak power, but less other places. They likely did a ton of testing and decided on the higher average power as it’ll help the most. The high peak would be best for top speed, but they’re not typically at top speed long enough for an extra .5 mph to be a big deal.

[@A.J.1656]

Keep an eye on Alex Rins, he smokes his tire all the time.

[@garethv1554]

Unexpectedly that was probably the most interesting chat you’ve had for a long time.

[@jfv65]

Agreed. YT recommended this video to me and i watched/listened all the way to the end. I haven't followed motoGP for years and had no idea about all the aero stuf they put on the GP bikes these days. Nice video!👍

[@porkster5924]

F1 and MotoGP are the pinnacle of technology and it’s sadly a double edged sword. They’re making incredible machines but at the cost of true racing values. This is why as much as I love MotoGP and F1, for me the GT cars such as big Mercs, 720 Mclarens etc and WSBK and BSB are better racing series. Cracking video Ricky 👍

[@icebrew]

Thats why offroad racing like Rally and Baja is great. It's still a pinnacle of motorsport, but the cars never get too complicated or crazy because they would just break. They stay simple, easy to understand, and relatively "car looking".

[@stuartstogdill2406]

@@icebrewNot even remotely true.

[@icebrew]

@stuartstogdill2406 my bad, the evidence you have provided had completely changed my outlook on motorsports. Thank you for sharing a portion of your wisdom.

[@pauls5745]

They'll keep refining aero and adding bodywork until the bikes in MotoGP are huge

[@LarsLaursen83]

MotoGP had 8 different race winners in 2023. 15 different on the podium. That is by no means a shit racing series. It’s the F1 class of two wheels. Of course they have to push the limits of engineering. I absolutely love the geeky stuff in MotoGP. But you’ll probably have your way in a couple of years without aero.

[@Maidenintime86]

Calling MotoGP the F1 of 2 wheels is actually an insult, for racing fans, MotoGP is a LOT better, but for car fans F1 is better, that's the difference, there's barely any racing in F1 man, just huge gaps everywhere.

[@LarsLaursen83]

It’s the king class of two wheel prototype racing, like F1 is for cars. It’s in terms of the engineering, not the racing.

[@vogs72]

Fascinating to learn of the links between F1 and MotoGP. I wasn’t aware of the testing crossovers. Even an aerodynamicist leaving to a linked team raises so many questions about spending caps.

[@wri977]

Genuinely loving your one on one chats that really talk the talk. Very informative. Keep it up.

[@big500]

For the first time in 10 years or more, I haven’t renewed my MGP subscription. Just can’t be arsed watching it anymore and it’s to friggin expensive, so sod em. I’ll be watching BSB & WSBK.

[@weaselswheels5258]

£10 a race weekend on the new app apparently not that expensive 👍

[@louiseitner916]

Also worth having a look at MotoAmerica. Good quality racing

[@Walkeranz]

Same. I need to check out BSB

[@phoenixbda6164]

MotoAmerica is a pretty good series to watch on tv

[@big500]

@@phoenixbda6164completely agree. Great racing on some fantastic tracks. Moto America is a great series👍👍

[@jaytroxel3495]

Stumbled across this video because of the KZbin scrambler... THANK YOU!!! I've learned more about the new aero on the GP bikes than I ever could have with HOURS of research. Great stuff.

[@REPerformanceUK]

Thanks for watching

[@jaytroxel3495]

@@REPerformanceUK and you are right...the racing is MUCH more exciting in WSBK than in the GP series.. unfortunately we don't get WSBK here in the US on any regular TV channels.. it's all 3 minute KZbin highlights. Bummer.

[@LeeJoint-vg2oe]

Great video guys you and Graham should do more bike content together! Very informative 👏 thank you

[@graeme4130]

You’re right, and Ricky has my agents number 😂

[@RDYmoto]

Saved this vid for the Saturday morning turbo sesh, great stuff as always Rick and Dav

[@REPerformanceUK]

Enjoy!

[@raykaufman7156]

Still like your bike content the best. Your enthusiasm is refreshing.

[@REPerformanceUK]

I appreciate that! Thanks for watching

[@6kaidohmaru9]

More chats like this please! Sat round a workshop table, cup of tea, guest(s), pick a subject and talk shop …just bikes though!

[@smith2781]

It’s dangerous for motorbikes though. It’s only a matter of time before something bad happens. The aero causes to much on the slipstream.

[@jongsanim]

First time 've see a video from you, but gotta say it's the most interesting one I've seen i ages. Thanks for the good content!

[@cablegrams]

Brilliant off the cuff wide ranging discussion of aero, I was captivated. Well done gents.

[@onetonpun]

i can see new leathers being developed to work in conjunction with the diffuser so the rider could control the amount of downforce it produces by shifting the elbow or something

[@halycon404]

F1 did something similar to this. A couple times. It got banned every time.

[@ldtenenoff]

Ricky alost 31K subs congrates man i do really enjoy ur thoughts on bike & car design thanks man fer ur time Champ

[@REPerformanceUK]

Thank you for watching

[@MrNeilparry1]

Wsb is gunna be good this year, what did you make of Lowes outside line pass on Bautista ?

[@tipperz]

Astonishing mate, what a pass!

[@graeme4130]

Unbelievable move, that 👍

[@Aberamentho2010]

he should pass if Bautista is being held back. would be bloody embarrassing if the bloke couldn't.

[@caiden2864]

Phillip island was resurfaced. Massive Grip

[@MrAckers75]

Wsbk is a non event and they should just make it a spec series and use a single engine supplier. That Ducati has been completely neutered and revs less than the bloody road bike

[@goansunborn]

Great convo. For me what draws me in is the rider ability over any kind of tech. The tech is interesting, especially engine configurations and chassis design but when i think back to the best riders and racing it was all about who could tame the beast. Stoner on the Ducati, Doohan on the NSR would be a great examples. Edwards on the RC51, Foggy on the Ducati etc... Great riders riding at thier limit. I don't see that in Motogp so much now as there is so much tech doing the work for them.

[@icosthop9998]

TY

[@thadcox5298]

There is definitely a lot of skill involved, the bikes are just less relatable to watch. Part of the reason why worldSBK is more fun to watch.

[@wradford1]

I Couldn't disagree more

[@andykerr3803]

Great talk 👍 Yup, guys have wicked accidents following or worse, getting cut off by an "aero bike"... You just can't predict the sudden forces on you. Braking easily upends the bike 😢

[@Insommer]

i stopped watching motogp just after stoner quit and they stopped 2strokes in moto3, and i stopped watching moto2 after they phased out 250 2 strokes. I feel like it just wasn't as exciting after that point. Stoner and rossi fighting at laguna seca is still my favorite moment in motorsport history.

[@toddventura7191]

Yeah, that one or the Stoner Rossi fight at Catalunya are epic races.

[@vogs72]

Question time- what’s your thoughts on Rossi racing in WEC LMGT3?

[@FlipWarBucks]

Great discussion man. I’d love to hear more of your thoughts on bike racing these days. Things are very different now

[@steffydog]

Cheers guys, fab stuff as always 👍

[@Drop_bear_au]

great to see 2 highly mechanical minds be honest and agree but disagree with each others opinion yet they both respected there others opinions on the developemnt of aero in gp.

[@aston108]

Cracking episode chaps, really interesting chat.

[@999Lucas]

As a quick aside: Dalara actually helped KTM build the Xbow, so KTM made a road car with a pro team. i think the wings should be transitioned to winglets and spoilers, or at least the number of wings or aerofoils should be limited, and until then, they are just going to keep putting holes in the bodywork. spoilers with winglets could give them an opportunity to tune the thickness of the material to deform in a favorable way when there is a change of direction, allowing some of the aero to work in the corners a little more. Its the wild west right now and it has made it tough to get back in to the racing, with the japanese contingent a pretty long way off the mark. I think removing turbulence, and lift is great for safety and the aero can probably help in that regard, but im not sure allowing them to put aerofoils on everything is making for the most compelling races. You can always drill one more hole, and I think thats a dangerous place to push rules lawyers, vs material thickness and deformation.

[@BikesofRye]

Superb video bud 👏🏼 we do need more eyes on MotoGP - its an incredible motosport to watch, and the masses are still watching that snooze fest that is F1. I have to say though that MotoGP last season was absolutely epic and this season is set to be insane with all the changes.

[@david_new46]

F1 has had a renaissance due to that bloody netflix show. The actual action is shit and the cars sound crap. Bring back the v10 or fu:k off!

[@Maidenintime86]

@@david_new46 Yeah that's true, i started watching F1 because of Drive to Survive but I quit as soon as I realized it's boring as fuck, race by race is terrible, the Netflix show makes it look so much more entertaining than it is, the only thing they have is really fast cars that I'm pretty sure impress by how fast they are when u watch it live, other than that, don't even waste your time on it, total crap.

[@Maidenintime86]

Yeah, that's something I'm still trying to figure out, despite being a lot better race by race, bike racing is a lot less popular than snooze fest car racing, I think it all boils down to most people having no experience with bikes whatsoever so they can't relate to it.

[@adenkyramud5005]

​@@Maidenintime86it's also marketing mate. Media presence is so different between F1 and MotoGP. I've grown up with both but how many people who aren't into Motorsports know what F1 is and how many know what MotoGP is? More people know of F1 because it seems to be covered much more on the media side of things, both the news media and also social media. F1 keeps pushing for more marketability in a way MotoGP just doesn't. It only makes the racing worse of course, because the only thing that matters to those wankers is numbers going up. But it explains why it's still so much bigger than other series that have much better racing.

[@carlosandleon]

I think the true solution is just to specify a certain box size around the bike and get the manufacturers to build a bike that fits the box’ dimensions but not exceeding it. And they can go ham in what they want to fit into that box size. Less regulations, more freedom and hopefully more variations among bikes

[@MrPerlew]

Wasn't aware of your videos and I thought this was going to be another powerpoint complain guy video. So pleased with what this video is. Love it!

[@brentbartley6838]

It's a double sword and the effects of aero are not all negative. Mainly is it has brought the field closer together in lap times. Often the entire field (discounting wild cards) can be within 1 sec in lap times. Last season we had 9 different winners and no one went on win streaks beyond 2 or 3 wins in a row. Negatives, passing can be more difficult with the turbulent air disrupting the aero. And Ducati has made the most of the aero (and the active ride height), plus nearly half the grid on Ducs that it's almost another Ducati Cup.

[@jameznash]

I was having this discussion with my dad - we both agreed that its just far to much. We always loved watching MotoGP and Superbikes and also go to the races when they are in the UK. But MotoGP have just gone so far away from what a Motorbike should be that it just feels like a completely different championship than it did 5-6 years ago. Its making the racing very boring and each race is just a tyre wear train - go slow all race because the bike has so much grip it destroys the tyres if you push to hard. The bikes no longer move around and have to be ridden like you are on rails

[@comontoshi]

Speaking of aero . . . did you guys catch the Daytona 200? Suzuki: 5 bikes in the top 9 finishers, Yamaha: 2 bikes and Ducati was first and 9th. Pit lane speed limiter electronics and no aero worth mentioning . . . 3 pit stops. Maybe motoGP races need to be 3x as long . . . like 30 - 40 laps with a pit stop or two. 😁😘 best discussion of aero I’ve ever heard!

[@dmcasson]

Great chat session, informative and entertaining.

[@REPerformanceUK]

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it

[@jakebradley1688]

I don't particularly like the aero, however, I don't think you can ban it. I think gp should be as simple as, make what you can to go as fast as you can

[@weaselswheels5258]

@REPerformanceUK I agree with some of what you are saying about aero and I prefer motogp without aero and ride height and launch control I even think they should minimise rider aids! But I don’t agree with what you said about being able to make it to the gp paddock from supersport or superbike plenty of people have done it over the years! Toseland, bayliss, Colin edwards, cal crutchlow, Ben spies, Chris vermullen to name but a few! As for jake Dixon if he is good enough he will get a ride! Just out of interest who would you replace for jake? What you said about Jonnie rea not getting the Honda ride is a bit disingenuous who were Honda meant to drop to give him the ride pedrosa or Marquez?

[@bingwalker5024]

Got to agree aero spoils the racing , didn’t know about the wind tunnel stuff being done for F1 , just had a school day 👌

[@zororosario]

Nice insight, thanks guys😊. I don't ride a bike but my younger brother does , Cheers ❤

[@ivicas3]

Bro explained it well, thank you.

[@REPerformanceUK]

Glad you liked it! Thanks for watching

[@markmac44]

I used to think Graeme was quick, then I met Mikey😅 Informative video that. Nice one👍

[@REPerformanceUK]

😅

[@graeme4130]

:)

[@billmcmillan7735]

I’ve been following GP racing for 40 years, it has never been better!!!

[@yo3429]

Very good and enlightning statement! Thanks :)

[@REPerformanceUK]

Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching

[@observingrogue7652]

I understand what you mean, and I kind of agree with you. I've said for years, motorcycles need active-aero. Not just air brakes on the back like a hypercar, to stabilize the rear, and keep it on the ground. But also, active-aero elements that create Downforce that adapts to lean-angle. Unless it's a Dragbike, or highway-runner. Fixed aero is pointless for cornering. You need active-aero for circuits & sprints. And I agree with you that dirty-air from aero-kits, does interfere with traditional racing. I think, MotoGP should have little to no Downforce for grid circuit racing. But have a separate division, even on the same track, same day, have a crazy, unlimited aero time-attack event, like the cars do. I believe this is the best option, and sounds fun as hell to participate & watch.

[@chrisgermann6658]

The TT is the only good bike content left.

[@bosco_bosco753]

Have you not seen the bsb

[@Shadow0fd3ath24]

wsbk is still pretty good

[@n1k0n_]

Motoamerica as well

[@AnP865]

The thing is, it's not that clear cut... if every race was boring fair enough, and some of them are, but there's still enough going on that you get some insane races and moments. Phillip Island 2022 was crazy. Hopefully over the next couple of years Dorna make the right decision and bring some regulations in to make sure the races stay dynamic and interesting. No idea if this season will be boring or not, it's quite uncertain.

[@REPerformanceUK]

I’m not so much against advancing the sport but I am against another F1 scenario where the tops teams have a bigger budget to advance va the smaller teams who barely stay in the grid….that then spreads the pack!

[@andyballard1883]

really interesting discussion,, I think the WEC HYpercar and LMP3 races this year will be really interesting, They have adjusted their format extensively and with Rossi and Button in the driver lineups this year I really think this series is on the up. Although all the same aero issues raised in the video are present at lease the attritional nature of the races and multi driver teams and multiple pit stops allow for another variable in who wins the races

[@godwindracing6056]

I didn’t know the LMP3 race in WEC

[@thecompanioncube4211]

Looks like the whole racing fans world is converging to WEC. F1, MotoGP all these diehard fans of actual racing have been feeling scammed for far too long

[@godwindracing6056]

@@thecompanioncube4211 WEC gets hated on because people don’t like the BoP system they imposed. Plus IMO, I think their maximum BHP is far too low - needs to be 1200 bhp on 1000 kg

[@bhtooefr]

@@godwindracing6056One of the problems that WEC has to deal with is, they absolutely need to race at Le Mans, and that's a Grade 2 circuit, made largely of public roads. That limits the maximum safe speeds, so the ruleset is based around a 3:25 target laptime there. (The LMP1-H era was faster, but LMP1 hybrids made their speed differently, blasting out of corners, then running on the ICE only for a while, then lifting and coasting for fuel saving. Hypercar's ruleset doesn't let hybrids get additional power beyond the ICE's power and doesn't allow front hybrid deployment below a certain speed, so they behave like non-hybrids, and the target stint length doesn't, AFAIK, consider lifting and coasting, so a slower lap has the same top speed.)

[@markrichardson8382]

Well I'll be fucked...... You've just said what I have been trying to say for years and I thank you big time for spitting out the words in my head so clearly and truthfully that I will now share your video across every channel regarding MotoGP!!!! I'm now a new subscriber.... From Aussie Land 😊

[@thisisben3593]

The first guy is bang on the money. . . Look at the MotoGP bikes without the aero garbage and they were still prototype bikes, they were still insane bikes

[@christopherfaulks6594]

Very interesting great thank you

[@baneoffsight4871]

This was so interesting, can't help but subscribe

[@REPerformanceUK]

Thanks

[@lordnibs758]

Cracking video again!

[@ssrsuspension8247]

Ground Effects as used in F1 works well, obviously as its purpose is to suck the chassis into the ground and thus generates increased grip. However on a motorcycle this does not work well, because of the dynamics involved you cant suck the chassis into the ground effectively in the way that it is supposed to for effective ground effects. As for general Aero, it has no effect below a certain speed. Grip on a motorcycle can only be increased with addition of weight (more mass over the contact patch), that is why they are trying to employ ground effects into a motorcycle as they need to keep the weight down but need more grip due to power output levels. Cars dont have this problem when ground effects are correctly employed... Ive heard rumor about 2027 Rule changes from a colleague in racing, rumour is Aero to be banned. However, what is scary is F1 are bidding to purchase Moto GP...!!!

[@Drones_and_more]

Bloody brilliant episode guys, I even sharedto Ted Kravitz as I think this is so informative, and right.

[@kingjamesiii3762]

Unfortunately nothing about Moto GP and Formula One are related. The areo on motorcycles force the bike down in corners which is bad but also faster enter/exit speed. In order to go fast and decelerate even faster thus downforce must be applied in any motorsport.

[@grahamtricker4103]

Great race bike content! 👍

[@REPerformanceUK]

Thanks!

[@alvmusic4402]

Nothing is killing anything, for all purists and preachers of "OLD = GOOD". Things get closer to the point of perfection, and there will be less room for variety and randomness. That's like saying "javelin throw is boring now!! it used to be entertaining", it will always be untrue, its just that improvements were made to the technique, and now there's fewer and fewer ways to do it right if you want to stay competitive. Humans learn and improve, the old stays obsolete and gives room to the new competitive ways.

[@GregzVR]

How exactly do you ban aero though? the genie is out of the bottle. It's not moveable wings, they're fixed.

[@Hustler9g]

Aero in moto go has been interesting but it's time to change the rules and shave the wing and bits. Get the temps on the tires more stable, make the bike easier to handle and fight with. My idea would be that dorna limmits the total down force instead of dicking around regulating the wings

[@stephenbooty3773]

This is a great vid. Cheers

[@REPerformanceUK]

Glad you enjoyed it. Thank you

[@RBFR01]

I'm guessing they go so far as designing the aero pieces and wings entirely around the riders body shape, weight and height so the wings are different from rider to rider?

[@belly450]

Gresini will get the 23 bike. Pramac will be on the 24. MM will beat a lot of people on the old bike

[@Maidenintime86]

Yeah, for sure, despite being a massive Rossi fan, MM is arguably the most talented of them all actually Marquez is just awesome too, big fan of both and he will beat asses this season.

[@donblub]

i am saying this for a long time. we would have better racing, regardless if its on 4 or 2 wheels and what series, if there was no downforce allowed. not only would the rider/driver would count more, it would look more interesting. what looks more interesting, a car on bike on rails or a vehicle that moves aroung, sliding and skidding?

[@robertmailer4978]

Brilliant chat

[@REPerformanceUK]

Thank you

[@welovecheshirecats4557]

100% agree. One thing you didn't mention is the cost/benefit ratio for the bike companies. Most of the tech in F1 can filter down to even the most mundane road cars, where as most of the new MotoGP tech cant or has no benefit for road riding. Suzuki pulled out, Kwak and BMW wont touch it with a barge pole. Its nowhere near as big as F1 from a marketing standpoint, and with the huge shift away from sports bikes by consumers, the question is what does the bike Co get out of it? With new tech Its basically getting more boring, more dangerous(tyre pressures, wayward ride hight devices etc), less diverse machinery and less connected to fans.

[@Maidenintime86]

Yeah maybe tech from F1 does filter down to daily drivers, but if you are out driving your Prius with some sort of F1 technology you won't feel like an F1 driver will you? the only reason why F1 is bigger is because most people have no experience on bikes, so they can't relate to it, and also as F1 is a lot faster, I'm pretty sure many go to watch it live without knowing shit about it just to see those cars flying-by, F1 is by far the most overrated sport.

[@welovecheshirecats4557]

@@Maidenintime86 Im talking about why bike companies are in the sport. same as F1, marketing and development. If the development and costs associated don't translate to anything useful, the reason to participate is lower, if the public find it boring, marketing isnt so effective, the reason to participate drops even further. MotoGP has lost some of the biggest factories over the last few year, because the cost/benefit ratio doesn't add up.

[@LL-cz5ql]

First video ive seen from theae guys, good discussion

[@r4ng3r_one95]

I gave up on motogp when it became the ducati cup and the aero. WSBK is my go to now

[@9greatdanes981]

I used to draw bikes like that 20 years ago. I would look at my brothers bike and wonder how much would it help, why don’t the do it?

[@SteveSfortheWin]

Very interesting. Havent actually ridden with aero but in theory I dont like it. One- more downforce =more traction =more tire heat= shorter tire life. Second- if I am leading a race with aero i have 10mm preload on the forks and brakes but if I am drafting in the same corner my bike doesnt have the same air and loses the 10mm preload. How do I ride a bike that handles differently depending on how much air I am in?? I noticed you mentioned that at low speeds some lose front braking with the lower air pressure but also as the downforce lessens the chance of locking the front end up increases. I think you will see more accidents with aero and little real benefit to the motorcycle world.

[@Ryzard]

That's precisely why it's hard to pass in F1 as well - more air disturbance when following a leading vehicle is a double edged sword. On one hand, you are able to move quicker in the slipstream, but on the other, you have to brake earlier with less downforce and grip because of the stirred up and less dense air. So following close is very hard and can wear out your tires with more slipping, making it a "pass or hang back" situation in some cases - hence DRS being added.

[@davidaugustofc2574]

The tires heat up primarily by slipping and braking, that's why drag and f1 cars do burnouts before races. You're saying that pushing the tire harder against the surface is gonna heat it more, which is only true if the tarmac is hotter than the tire to begin with. The gas inside the tire is not undergoing fusion to say more pressure = more heat.

[@david_new46]

I would like to see the GP boys ride on less of a knife edge with the tyres and aero. We need to keep the show exciting. Multiple different winners is awesome (somethijg we werent getting as much in wsbk due to the larger differences between the teams), but we need the riders to be able to pass more easily. As the premier, prototype class, I think we also need moto gp to remain significantly ahead of wsbk in terms of laptimes, so we cant dumb bike performance down too much either (some are calling for slower bikes).

[@848evo4]

I think another reason Yamaha and Honda are behind is they didn't keep doing development during covid like they were ordered to and the euro manufactures did it quietly

[@bearsey26]

IMO, I think drag racing is the most exciting motorsport, fastest motorsport on the planet, the start and finish is generally the most exciting parts, with drag racing you get that all the time!

[@markjackson2652]

I like options. If I want to see good racing I’ll watch Indy or something and for the engineers I like f1. No need for all Motorsport to be the same.

[@Pastamistic]

Atmosphere is part of the arena we play in. Regardless of how much you don't like it we still need to push through the air and aero is going to be part of designing the fastest bike.

[@TheBlibo]

Hi I have never heard a younger (I'm an old git now) person speak like that about racing, how do you view road racing NW200 or IOM Keep up the good work

[@nick4506]

i think they can keep aero but change the engine spec back to 800s or even smaller. where they have to make a choice between aero for cornering and blitzing the straights. with the engine spec where it is they have too mutch power to play with. where they have to make a compromise with rideability. didn't work out last time but with the engineering we have today it can be done.

[@ZedNinetySix_]

They need to adapt what LMH / LMDh at WEC and IMSA are doing.

[@crashmaster26]

Wow certainly stuff to think about. I was wondering why Honda and Yamaha are struggling so bad but it makes sense now. You got a new sub out of me, great convo!

[@prebenlohse1684]

Modern racing is not as much driver/rider ability as it is money and technology. Sad state as it discourages young talent’s from entering and the ones getting through the net may be there because they can part fund the technology, not being the best in their class.

[@flj8708]

I agree 100%. I used to be a MotoGP AND F1 fan. I dropped F1 when the aero made racing not fun to watch and now I am thinking about dropping MotoGP and watch WSBK instead.

[@guava101]

I feel rude to ask this here and don’t know who to ask - I can’t find many main and rod bearings for a 5.0 gallardo and heaps for a 5.2. Are they interchangeable? Thanks and sorry again. Al

[@user-uz1gf1bc6p]

Answer this guy bro

[@alimzazaz]

I do think bikes should prioritise getting the aero more slippery instead of downforcy like in f1.

[@mirchiboyz]

Suzuki saw the Ducati Aero Cup coming against their old I4 and said no thank you. If Fabio and Pedro end up on Ducatis its officially over then

[@GNX157]

I’ve been speaking out against the aero stuff from the start. Thru the bike for following okay, but they need to severely reduce the legality box all over for the bikes, to contain the use of aero.

[@Bomber_Fish]

I think when it comes to DRS, letting a car passing you and then slipstreaming your way to get back the position will only work if you are not racing against Max Verstappen. DRS still have its fun moment just like that one time in Canada 2013 when Hamilton and Alonso battling to be behind of each other's car just to get that DRS bonus.

[@Maidenintime86]

I see so many people saying that MotoGP is shit these days and that it used to be so much better, but that's not true at all, it's still good, I mean, look at Phillip Island last year or Thailand for that matter, or even better PI 2022, what a race that was, 8 riders pretty much fighting for the win, I don't remember seeing a lot of that during Stoner, Pedrosa, Rossi, and Lorenzo era, sometimes that happened in the 500 2 stroke and 1000 4 stroke era, but it wasn't at every race, the truth is, there will always be those boring races inevitably, but many these days say as if everything was much more exciting in the golden days, I remember watching a lot of boring races during the 800 period, it was usually Lorenzo, Stoner or Rossi gone at the front and not that much happening at the back, these days is better than that for sure, bikes are a lot more equal.

[@adamdavies1249]

This is the reason I love wec but they have just killed lmp2 which was so competitive it made interesting racing hopefully the class to replace it will be just as good

[@davidstocking1622]

Aero sucks in looks and what it is doing to racing.. F1 sucks more than aero😮 Good rant Ricky 😂

[@nawles1]

It actually 'blows' more than sucks. Unless you're talking about ground-effect? 😮

[@andrewhayes4246]

I've been saying ban it since it started. Ridiculous and irrelevant.

[@ZenSilenc]

Saw the hoodie and instantly subscribed.

[@REPerformanceUK]

Thank you

[@dayleashleynolasco5765]

I think what MotoGP need is to figure out in 2027 how to balance the Aeroynamic & dirty air that created by it. without compromising more the riders behind. Yes, it wouldn't completely lose the turbulence created by it. But at least if they could find a new design that will able to make it work. Perhaps the moveable Aero that F1 is trying to implement in 2026 maybe could able work more on the bikes with its geometry & smaller size. We 'll jsut see what MSMA & FIM will decide.

[@synapsy9291]

In defense of Bautista, the other ducatis are far behind. He doesn t exit the corner like that because the bike is good, he exits like that because he is really strong. That said clearly he has an advantage on the tire management side because he is lighter but if you see him he is also always sideways

[@tigjunkie73]

Aero does suck balls ,bring back the days of Mansel senna prost era cars they were awesome and fun to watch ,having had single seater experience I can honestly say what a fuckin buzz the adrenaline certainly pumps ! F1 these days is toooo technical !

[@paulhusky580bts]

What you think that Liberty may Buy Dorna & Moto GP

[@clivecussens2573]

Great to see more bike chat !! Not only does areo suck so does launch control ride height adjustment etc etc. The skill of riding a moto gp bike has been taken away and average riders can look good on the right bike with all the rider aids. Casey Stoner agrees, ban all rider aids

[@LEE...337]

Yamaha have historically been linked with F1 (Tyrell/Toyota) and aero (YZR500 Winglets/aero fairings) over the decades. It's nothing new but way too extreme now as it looks like bored F1 engineers have found a new playground... Also, that garlic nutter, J.P. Ruggia was the first GP rider who's style involved dragging his elbow. This was back in the late 1980's on 250's.

[@SAVikingSA]

You can't have aspirational racing when the aspirations are dictated by the sanctioning body. Either let it be a multibillion dollar free for all where manufacturers are free to do whatever, or don't. The problem is a chase for increased speed inside a box, everyone has the same box, everyone does the same thing, every car or bike is identical. That's how the racing suffers. I'm more a car guy, and look at Group C/IMSA GTP. You could do whatever you wanted basically, the cars were horrifically expensive, and the racing was amazing.

[@markklinkert3477]

Motogp is supposed to be the highest level of "racing", but some people focus on the formula being prototype and speed. If that is the right way to go then let each bike go out like qualifying with a clear aero "flight path" let's see who is fastest and then we give that guy the trophy. It will result in maximum development and speed and it won't be frustrated by racing (like a landspeed record, let them focus on the speed). But if you are interested in racing you can't take the same path. You need to only allow development in areas that don't undermine the bikes speed in a race scenario / close quarters so that racing is supported.