Report on Fatal Air Crash Leaves Cause a Mystery - Episode 240

[@Adhdisthenewblack]

I love seeing the three of you together. You are truly the dream team of flight investigators and analysis. Greg I know you don't remember me, but when I worked in news in the 1990s, I had the pleasure of interviewing you. All of you all are so sharp as always, and as handsome as always.

[@katrinagex77]

Wow! What was he like back then?

[@christopherrobinson7541]

@@katrinagex77 Younger.

[@katrinagex77]

​@@christopherrobinson7541In personality funny man.

[@katrinagex77]

I love it when they're together. The 3 amigos of aviation.

[@jonathankleinow2073]

The discussion on the decline in quality of flight instruction reminded me of the PA-28 crash last year in Kentucky where a student pilot flew a night XC with an instructor who wasn't his usual instructor. The CFI recorded videos for Snapchat in flight making fun of the student, captioning one video with, "Me and this student would not get along if he was my full time student. I've seen faster at the special Olympics". The CFI also flew them straight into a line of severe weather, helpfully documenting his terrible ADM by sharing a ForeFlight screenshot on Snapchat with their planned flight path surrounded by heavy thunderstorms. I hope you'll dedicate an episode to that crash once the docket and final report are released in the coming months.

[@DumbledoreMcCracken]

Yup

[@PilotInCommand777]

The famous words of a smart man.. "HOT DAMN, WE'VE GOT A BOX"!

[@katrinagex77]

😂😂😂

[@patrickoleary2862]

Great show as always guys 👍

[@dmacnet]

They could have been demonstrating the feel of floating in ground effect and delayed the go-around too long.

[@HomesickforAlaska]

It's shocking to me that a supposedly professional aviation accident investigator would claim that the prop was under "substantial power" on impact. Even as a novice it is VERY OBVIOUS to me that the prop was not under power when it impacted the ground, in fact it is in shockingly good condition. The entire accident report smells of someone (the flight school ?) paying off the investigator. Or was it simply a lazy or incompetent investigator?

[@christopherrobinson7541]

Probably both. In ZA corruption is endemic.

[@Hawker900XP]

Another “Watch this” CFI

[@Steaphany]

Can you guys contact your partners with the NTSB to have someone at that level contact the South African CIID regarding the deficiencies of this report ? The only way to make things better is to point out where things fail. Just as with an aircraft investigation, this report has flaws and an investigation board to investigation board query may allow South Africa to better their investigation procedures to give meaning to the two lives lost and be better with investigations and reporting on future incidents.

[@alanevan-hanes7935]

The NTSB Accident Investigation Team did come to South Africa and spent considerable time with the local accident investigators.

[@christopherrobinson7541]

@@alanevan-hanes7935 Did they sent a team of apprentices?

[@gracelandone]

Safety rules and lessons of aviation have been written in blood. Today’s rate of 1 death per 2 billion passenger miles flown bears witness to the importance of the details of aviation safety investigations and their impacts on the industry.

[@dermick]

Acronyms that are more complex than the thing you are trying to remember are not helpful.

[@bryanford1139]

I've said it before, I'll say it again... The knee-jerk reactions of this country (and the world) to the coof has decimated the "Experience" pool....in ALL these safety related industries. The resulting "void" has executives of companies pushing people into bad situations and cutting corners trying to survive financial difficulties....it's going to get worse before it gets better I fear

[@DumbledoreMcCracken]

Discipline is a learned habit. Talkers, who run everything now, are prone to speak and converse without contemplation first. They are all sizzle.

[@richardturner6278]

The very idea that anyone with 270 hrs is allowed to teach anyone to fly is absurd in itself. Im amazed constantly that we dont have many more accidents because of the lack of qualified instructors. They just keep getting younger and younger. Age isn't the problem but we live in a world where our children are taught by the least qualified teachers. Teaching degrees are the easiest degrees to get in college. This makes no sense! Whats wrong with people? Same thing with flying. We are asking the least experienced pilots to train new pilots! I realize this is the rules and most instructors are just climbing the ladder fir that dream captains job somewhere down the road but at some point we need to be basing promoting the best pilots. Minimum qualification requirements are just that. Minimums. Not experienced. I fired my first two instructors because they just weren't up to my standards . Scared to demonstrate stalls for fear of entering a spin in a cessna 152! This is so backwards as a way of thinking. I want an instructor that can demonstrate fully developed spins with enthusiasm. I know its not required but the point is we need instructors that are trained to that point period. Until that day we should be very satisfied that accidents involving students and low time pilots are not much more frequent than they are now. Thank you guys for the podcast. Really do enjoy the content you share.

[@denverbraughler3948]

Can’t Greg and John afford actual green screen backdrops? Why not do it right if you’re going to use background replacement at all?

[@katrinagex77]

They're aviation experts not computer wizess.

[@cindyvanjaarsveld7472]

Is someone from the South African CAA watching this? You are making South Africa the laughing stock and this directly affects your credibility! You should be ashamed.

[@christopherrobinson7541]

Incorrect, they are revealing that the South African CAA is laughing stock, and it is their credibility that is being criticized.

[@katrinagex77]

Giving us the information that's presented to them and they should be ashamed? Make it make sense.