Reporting For DUTY!...Hornady Critical Duty 9mm +P Carbine Ballistic Gel AMMO Test!

[@mozzberg590]

I would love to see more carbine gel tests.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👍

[@mozzberg590]

@@ToolsandTargets also, here in NJ we cannot CCW any hollow points so Hornady Critical Defense and Duty are very popular here.

[@ToolsandTargets]

@@mozzberg590 The fact that they don't consider these "hollow points" is a perfect example of how stupid government is.😆

[@Totttty55]

@@ToolsandTargetsDid anyone ever bother to do a 357 Sig carbine? I'd think that would really work well, but I don't remember ever seeing any.

[@johnpaquette7765]

Pcc 40 cal tests would be amazing!!!

[@rickh9396]

Critical Duty looks like a great choice for PCCs to avoid the usual problems of overexpansion/fragmentation and shallow penetration from pushing bullets much faster than they were designed for. They also work great out of shorter barrels, which could simplify logistics for someone who runs barrels of both lengths.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yessir. Great rounds all around if you ask me.

[@angelr8892]

I used to load all my pistols with CD 135s until I saw a couple of gel tests where they didn't expand when shot out of compact pistols. Every test I saw of the HSTs was great, short or long barrel. So I bought a bunch of HSTs from SGAmmo when you could get 50rd boxes for a little over $25 a box. Use them in my short barrels; use the CDs in long barrels.

[@frankgrillo8094]

Thank you so much for the carbine test! more--- More --- MORE please 🙏

[@111kodiak]

Best jelly tester on the interweb. Great to see how your video production has improved over time. Not that it was bad before, but we can tell how you always try to make it better each video. Thx brother.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate that!😎👊

[@tommccormick9290]

The 135 grain was what I kept in my Ruger Pc9 before I replaced it with the S&aW FPC as my home defense gun that I now keep loaded with the 124 grain Critical Duty.

[@elsamuraiguapo]

Any reason why

[@tommccormick9290]

Why what? The FPC is shorter, lighter, and more maneuverable than the Ruger which has become kind of obsolete to me for home defense. Though I must admit it's more aesthetically pleasing and has a better trigger.

[@elsamuraiguapo]

I meant why the move to the 124grain. I have the FPC too but have it loaded with federal HST 147

[@tommccormick9290]

​@@elsamuraiguapoI guess it's because I have a thing for speed. The carbine length barrel gives a higher velocity increase in lighter weight bullets close to that of a 357 magnum.

[@nikos6220]

Awesome test. Surprisingly decent performance by the slightly expanding Hornadys. But only 500 ft-lb out of a 16“ 😂. So it takes 11 extra inches to transform a weak 9x19 +P into a weak 357 Sig 🤔. High time somebody build a 357 Sig carbine

[@ToolsandTargets]

😆

[@MegaJavelin1970]

TNW aero survival rifle is available in 357 sig! And it is excellent!

[@MrWilk_Firearms]

You must have been reading my mind. I was just thinking today what a shame it is that Hornady doesn’t sell their critical duty bullets separately. I really want to see their 175gr 10mm projectiles pushed at higher velocities.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, that would be a nice round.😎👊

[@DasGoodSoup]

Always wanted to see a +p+ 9 fmj out of a carbine

[@ToolsandTargets]

💥🥇💥😎👊

[@ccompson2]

agreed, didn't see any +p+ in this video though

[@timrobinson6573]

Search 'Buffman Range +P+'. He has a couple video testing different weight +P+ 9mm from all differwnt barrel lengths including a carbine.

[@DasGoodSoup]

@@ccompson2 im just talking to tools directly he reads the first 50 or so every time

[@Jazzman-bj9fq]

That would be a boring video as far as a ballistic gel test. 9mm fmj is just gonna pop right through one end and out the other. You could probably line up 2 16" gel blocks and pass right through both of them.

[@PassivePortfolios]

My sources in law enforcement stated that the 124 grain 9 mm +P is the favorite load of many agencies which use 9 mm carbines and pistols. The Hornady, Speer and Federal brands are all becoming very popular. The 124 grain 9 mm +P makes sense financially and has commonality with the issue pistols and carbines. Training qualification scores have improved compared to larger rounds and shotguns. Both of these Hornady rounds look like winners in your tests. Thanks !

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@MB-jg4tr]

Only some of these rounds don't preform well out of carbines, HST in particular has a fast burning powder and doesn't gain any speed with a carbine length barrel, it actually looses speed

[@jstud999]

The 135 +p is the one your thinking of. It exceeds FBI testing in every category and is authorized to carry for the FBI as well as many other agencies.

[@PassivePortfolios]

@@jstud999 I am not thinking, just passing on the information directly from the source. The 124 grain 9 mm +P is what agencies are increasingly going with in pistols and carbines.

[@cgsimons1187]

There are some 9mm carbines(such as the Ruger PC Carbine) that fail to gain any appreciable velocity from the heavier bullets(like the 147gr.) So, for the most part it makes sense to stay with 124gr and under with carbines unless you are wanting subsonic speeds rather than improved ballistic performance.

[@chrissewell1608]

I have been using Critical Defense & Critical Duty 9mm & .380, for years. Because they never fail to preform properly! I would love to see some more 9mm testing with the your PCC, like the Barnes XTS? ammo, and some of those solid copper / brass rounds! As usual, you make great test videos! Thank you brother, for all you do!

[@brianrakes1359]

Yes, Ruger PC in .40 175 critical duty.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👍

[@crsquirrely73]

That was cool id love to see you do more of this exact test with some of the other 9mm ammo like some Federal HST and Punch

[@ToolsandTargets]

Definitely got a bunch I wanna try through the carbine.😎👊

[@crsquirrely73]

@@ToolsandTargets Now you need a 10mm Banshee or carbine with an 8 or 10 inch barrel lol

[@cgsimons1187]

The ordinary Federal 9BP(115gr Hi-Shok) could have some interesting results when fired from a carbine. From the longer barrel it should boost the bullet to near +P+ velocity. Which just might result in it performing like the classic 9BPLE which was known for having great stopping power. I imagine this standard pressure bullet would be soft shooting and easy to land multiple accurate shots in rapid succession.

[@rangetime6779]

Thanks for the carbine test. It's fun to see the velocity gain and how the bullets perform. Please continue using the carbine for more testing.

[@georgemoore3304]

Great video. I use 9mm 147 grain Remington Golden Sabre. 40 cal. 175 grain Critical Duty. Both hit with authority.

[@danperry3116]

I recently purchased a sub2000 and this test is very timely.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@kimness7796]

I've got one and it actually doesn't suck!!!! Once you get the front sight adjusted for elevation.

[@CookieMonster_1969]

I have some testing I plan on doing out my Ruger PC Carbine. I specifically think the heavier loads, like the 135 grain you did here, will perform where they look a little anemic on expansion out of a handgun. I don't have any ballistics gel, but I got 50 lbs of modeling clay.😁 Great testing as always.👍

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. It is interesting to see what the handgun stuff does with the longer barrels.😎👊

[@chrissewell1608]

Mix you up a block of gell.

[@shanepitzer4126]

Nice test, thanks for sharing! I have a 9mm Ruger carbine. Handloading the 147gr XTP over Power Pistol, I'm getting average 1368 fps. One of these times, I need to jump into the 'jelly' business, and see how it performs.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@Kaelland]

At 50 yards, the 124 grain rounds averaged 1185 feet per second for an average of 386 energy foot pounds. At 100 yards, we only got three readings, but the 124s averaged 1139 fps and 357 energy foot pounds for those three shots. The 135 grain rounds averaged 1084 feet per second and 352 energy foot pounds at 50 yards. At 100 yards, we again only got three readings. Those three averaged 1016 feet per second for 309 energy foot pounds.

[@KD-lb9bg]

That was a great round of Jelly Time testing. Looking forward to seeing more carbine tests, thanks much.

[@lordhuck2689]

I would like to see test of 9mm light grain weight solid copper loads from Underwood, Liberty, Fort Scott, and G-9. Both from 16 inch and 8-10 inch barrels.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👍

[@CrawldaBeast]

Rule of thumb for PCCs... The lighter the projectile the more velocity increase from the longer barrel. The heavy rounds will give less improvement. That being said, those "light for caliber" offerings that you normally destain, will step to the head of the class. I have a 357 Sig PCC that sends 115 grainers a little over 1800fps giving same day delivery.

[@michaeldonivan4955]

Great test! Look forward to more carbine stuff. I have always run 147 gr. HST out of a carbine but after watching your test, I think I am going to switch over. What you said makes a lot of sense about expansion vs. penetration out of a longer barrel. Thanks as always!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir!😎👊

[@frostriver4547]

I like the 147 HSTs in my 7” suppressed pistol. Super quiet. In the winter, I keep 135 CDs to help with potential “barriers” Both are great IMO

[@DerWaidmann_]

Good stuff, always want to see what defense ammo is best for carbines. Please test Gold Dot Carbine as soon as you can!

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👍

[@Yetified_Mayhem]

Just got home from work and opened up the tube and what do I see. Three mule deer doe right outside my window gonna watch this with me. 🍿 🍿

[@ToolsandTargets]

😂😂😂

[@davidmalinowitz9033]

It's warming up in Alabama and time for my son and I to go to the range in the back woods. Have a great day

[@bobg.8954]

Great test T! I have a small 9mm carbine and this is right up my alley. Thank You Sir!

[@semichiganandy2127]

Thank you for this video. I'm looking forward to more carbine tests. These did really well.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@MichealAdams-pg9cu]

Thank you sir for another good & informative video!

[@MontanaWelldigger]

As always Mr. Toolman, nice test and thanks for doing them!!!

[@DerpyTurtle0762]

9mm carbines can get some great performance. I tried some 124gr V-Crowns in my AR9 and they just about flattened, they expanded so much. I believe I tried some old 9BPLE once and they pretty much fell apart from the velocity. More 9mm carbine tests would be awesome.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@luketilley9137]

YES!!!😎👍❤️

[@cgsimons1187]

The 9BPLE was a classic manstopper from a handgun. That +P+ bullet hit pretty hard, had some fragmentation, decent expansion, and adequate penetration. Though from a carbine it might be moving too fast. Resulting in it falling apart as you observed. Perhaps the standard pressure Federal 9BP(115gr Hi-Shok) fired from a carbine might achieve similar results to the 9BPLE from a handgun. All with potentially less recoil, muzzle blast, and wear and tear on the carbine. Though only an actual test would determine how that bullet would truly perform.

[@DerpyTurtle0762]

@@cgsimons1187 Considering how incredibly it can expand out of a 5" barrel, 16" velocities are definitely a bit too much for it.

[@bohnhoff346]

Looks like another great test thanks

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@toddparsons2980]

Hey thanks for this. Good to see PCC performance. Would like to see out of a 8.5" and 10.5".

[@miker9043]

I'm looking for a carbine right now so perfect timing ! this test solidifies my reasons for wanting to get a carbine for the house gun ! Thanks tools for another excellent video !

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@orenthalsimpson]

Id like to see if those ranger t series would expand out of that carbine

[@chretired]

Like others have said, just the test we wanted Tools. Yes I use these out of my Ruger & S&W PCC's. I was pleased to see these results. Validates the ammo for sure. Thanks for the test Tools and all the time & effort you spend to bring us your videos. Be vigilant and always be safe my friend.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate that as always, brother!😎👊

[@jeffreyrange9830]

Remember when they are expanding the pedals will be all the way out. They are designed to fold all the way back to help with penetration. In my opinion it is a top carry bullet. I like it because it will make 2 holes, one in and one out vs staying inside. Plus if I need to shoot through something these will keep on trucking

[@ToolsandTargets]

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[@Defenze]

I do run Hornady, but only out of my 9mm handgun. I like that they are consistent. Always good penetration and consistent expansion. Everything else is the mighty HST from Federal.

[@ronaldbarnes8302]

Definitely a sweet spot for a carbine length tool. Very nice performance! Thanks for the test Tools!

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@MultiSycorax]

In all my time shooting critical duty its also been a very consistent and accurate round, seems perfwct for carbine use. Thanks for the test!

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@bwompusss7397]

I run the 124 gr in my Ruger PC Charger. Absolutely love them in that firearm. Thank you for the jelly test!!

[@scarifrougeone7225]

Great PC carbine testing Tools. Really nice to see that good performance from the carbines. I think the PCC testing would be a great addition to your test entourage. I run the Ruger PC9 and the Kel-Tec Sub 2000 Gen2 carbines in 9mm. So totally would like to see more PCC testing. Good test and commentary and good accurate results. Be safe. ⭐️⭐️🇺🇸⭐️⭐️

[@northshores7319]

Thanks for a much needed test.

[@jameshood9694]

I just bought some of these in 124 grain last week. I have some in 45 acp and 357 mag too. They all seem to perform as advertised in a full size or duty sized pistol but I can tell you that the 357 mag version has better expansion. I would love to see Hornady or anyone take that 220 grain 45 acp projectile and put it to use in a 45 Long Colt case at the higher end of standard pressure loading. That would be interesting.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Good to know. I can't remember if I have these in .357 Mag.

[@PeterRoos]

Thanks, interesting. This again confirms that critical duty performs very consistently regardless of barrel length, and actually the ballistic test results are not dramatically differently from the same round fired from a full sized handgun or a subcompact handgun. Yes there are differences but they are not dramatic. Perfect self defense ammo.

[@ammohead73]

For whatever reason my S&W 360 just don't like this ammo. I guess cause of the barrel length. But using either Federal Hydra shock or Underwood it expanses wonderful.

[@philliprubin4996]

I've been loading 6.2 gr of Unique and 115 gr HP that I buy in bulk in my AR 16'' build with 8oz buffer. They hit the plates more like a .357 and I'd guess they're doing 1300+ FPS. I have a Lyman Devastator .356 131gr HP mold I'm going to try with Blue Dot.... As always, load at your own risk.....

[@chelliesmithiii1492]

I use a Ruger 9mm carbine as my truck gun, and load Hornady 124+P XTP. Would love to see velocity, penetration and expansion of this round.

[@stevenmiller184]

I'd like to see a test with .40 S&W in a carbine.. .40 does really well in a longer barrel. 9mm starts to lose velocity in a barrel >12 inches.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Definitely gotta do some of that.😎👍

[@RT-gv6us]

I was relieved to see that you were using that Lead Sled as a rest to help reduce the massive recoil generated by the mighty 9mm. lol. Another great test. Hornady 9mm continues to impress me. Thanks.

[@ToolsandTargets]

My shoulder was sore for days!😂😂😂

[@JJ_SDWR]

Great test Tools! Love seeing 9mm PCC tests! I would certainly trust these and I have quite a bit of the 135gr +P stocked in the safe. These would do the job most definitely. Love to see the same with HST or Gold Dot

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👍

[@sombra6153]

Nice Henry carbine. Interesting performance as Hornady likely brewed up the powder to perform out of four inch handgun barrels to meet FBI performance requirements. I heard something about the 135 grain CDs not expanding reliably out of shorter barrels such as the P365. That would be useful information.

[@TheGrimFoot]

9mm carbines are eh. I like them but over an 8 inch barrel doesn't make sense to me, but the 16inch carbines are easier on the ears without a can. I call the Henry ( the Fuddsteader)

[@johnbobrosky8939]

Love to see a 10mm carbine test with some Underwood or buffalo bore. 10mm carbines pick up way more velocity than 9 or 40cal especially with hot,light for caliber ammo!

[@MartyB618]

Great results with the critical duty. Ive seen/heard some results of the carbine length barrel actually under performing due to over expansion and fragmentation

[@cgsimons1187]

Interesting results. The Henry Homesteader may have something in common with the Ruger PC Carbine. I know with the Ruger PC Carbine that the lighter(115gr and 124gr) bullets tend to get more significant gains in velocity. The heavy 147gr bullet from that carbine has nearly the same velocity achieved through a full-size handgun. The 135gr bullet is an unusual weight. So, it might stand to reason that this bullet will gain some velocity over the 147gr bullet, but less than the 124gr. I like the results of the 124gr in this test. While both bullets expand the same, the 124gr has a bit more energy(similar to .357 Mag with a 3" barrel) and reaches the upper limits of ideal penetration in a defensive load.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, it was interesting to see the differences.😎👊

[@zigbeegooblesnort125]

ZEN time: "Ya-all know what time it is".😁 Good job, looking forward to the next video.

[@curtk8130]

Kinda slow for the 135 grain but still excellent performance. I prefer the 124 grain overall even for my conceal carry. 9mm PCs are super fun I actually need to get another. I have one but my wife has claimed it as her home defense tool which is fine because she’s very comfortable with it. I might just get the homesteader. As always great video

[@JB-ym4up]

You need a semi auto carbine in .357 sig that takes the pistol mags and comes with 30 round mags.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@RewardedRocki]

I recently found your channel looking for tests on the Uppercut rounds. While CCI's new bullet may suck, your channel certainly does not. I've watched a bunch of your videos and you have a new subscriber with me. Thanks for the videos and keep up the great work!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Appreciate that!😎👊

[@fuzzykat6570]

9mm is intriguing. If I understand correctly, SAAMI bases their approvals/compliance/... on using a pistol with a 4 inch bbl length. I wonder if or how results would change testing a 2 or 3 inch bbl against a 4 inch bbl pistol. Enjoy your channel! Appreciate all the testing you do. Thanks

[@rhyswilliam8146]

Was very curious if you could eventually test out some Underwood ammo Tac-XP +P. Was looking at the Barnes but it was very slow for what I wanted. Then found that Underwood made some with about 200 for more.

[@sammcrae8892]

124 gr at 1200+ fps is close to .357 performance. Definitely something to consider as an option, particularly if you carry a 9mm handgun and could use the same ammo and mags. Say a Glock 19 and a Kel Tek Sub 2000.

[@mustashcashstash1671]

Could you do some more magnum pistol tests , ive always wanted to see a 50AE vs 44 mag 300gr xtp gel test..or maybe 240gr for the 44mag sense thats the more common weight for that caliber

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👍

[@williambaker1753]

I like the Hornady +p line you get 25 rounds instead of 20 like most JHP and they are on sale most of the time that's definitely why I pick them up I'm a sucker for a sale. The expansion could be a little better but they are consistent and more accurate than I could ask for they definitely would get someone up off you in a hurry. I personally carry them in my EDC from time to time and both of my carbine's stay loaded with critical defense or American gunners.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yessir. The 25 round boxes are nice.

[@guardianminifarm8005]

Excellent results. Very, very good option. This is typical of what you see from a duty size weapon in normal handgun distance. Consistency is always a good thing. Many thanks.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@theshapeexists]

Ive been carrying this in my Glock 19 for years. Its been widely available and cheap in Colorado where im at

[@allenbolen9705]

Surprised you didn’t get a little more speed. Enjoyed the carbine test! Thanks Tools 👍🏻

[@SwampOperator]

I carry the +p 135 in my g17.. i think these are great for the carbine too

[@nicksteele5459]

I run both of these in my carbine exclusively...great rounds for carbines

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yessir 😎👊

[@gryphonz3]

The 135 +P if the exact round I use in all of my HD pistols and my PCC.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Great stuff if you ask me.😎👊

[@Nutty.357]

SOunded like that 135 had a little more ring to it out there on the steel, but the 124 had more energy at the muzzle! A carbine sure makes 9 a whole nother animal! Thanks and have a good one! 💥💥

[@ToolsandTargets]

Interesting to see what the different weights do with the extra barrel.😎👊

[@tomcat8983]

Looks like those do really well out of a carbine. Thanks for this video, another excellent one!

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@s00-x2h]

These are intended to hit targets behind barriers like car doors, windshields, plywood (idk who would hide behind that but you know…) so maybe one day you can set up a barricaded gel test for that? Just a thought Appreciate the test by the way, long fun action doesn't come by often!

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@ikeclanton3901]

I’d like to see this test done at normal handgun ranges to see how the bullet holds up to the higher velocity to mimic a home defense situation. 45 critical duty in a carbine perhaps. Thanks again for your work.

[@terryrichards8645]

Don’t have a nine mill carbine. if I did, I would run that stuff. Thanks for another great video!😊

[@steelpunisher6944]

Nice! Talk about consistent with those 124s. I think they both did great. If I were to use a carbine for defense these would be a great option. I love that penetration and they expanded like they always do. Great test! Can’t wait to see what else you have up your sleeve 👍🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@ToolsandTargets]

💥😎👊💥

[@benjaminhurley1823]

Have you seen the Hornady black 9mm yet i am really interested in that round

[@sae1095hc]

In 9mm, after about 10-12 inches, a longer barrel doesn't add much and can reduce the velocity in some cases.

[@64samsky]

I use these or the Federal HST's for my carry ammo. Both are very good rounds.

[@stedyone1090]

Wow. Can't wait to try them in my AR😮

[@rsbreeze]

Great test! I like seeing these PCC tests!

[@GlennJudah]

This definitely makes me think about these 2 for my carbines. Currently, they are loaded with Defiant Munitions carbine rounds. Thanks again for the information!!!

[@ToolsandTargets]

That Defiant is good stuff too.😎👊

[@GlennJudah]

@@ToolsandTargets no doubt !!

[@mainebigfoothunter7088]

That was an interesting test. I'm curious how 40 S&W Critical Duty would do out of a Ruger PC4

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate that. I definitely gotta do some .40 carbine testing. I need to grab a set of rings for the Ruger.

[@kenshin034]

Carry and train with 124g overall but 115👑/147 HST for the SC/Micro 9s less pop than 124g outta smaller guns,as for PCC/MCK🔫/EP9 😴👑 only keep HPs in oem standard caps and Critical D/FP👃🏽FMJ/+🪵s in marked Extds 💨🚘🦌🐗🐻

[@WayneKim-dv6id]

I've always wondered how some premium 9mm would perform in my Marlin Camp Carbine. Fun little carbine that I think is superior to a 30 carbine and much better sights on the Marlin.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@terrell48]

I really like my PCC especially my Marlins, been wanting a Heny Homesteader I have a Ruger 9mm carbine that I like too so enjoyed this gel test

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate that, brother. I need to do a lot more carbine testing.

[@raskolnikovsghost2701]

Can you test 7.62x39 HP and SP ammo against body armor? Maybe 3A? I have searched for this test on YT and cannot find it. I know hollow points and soft points don't penetrate like FMJ. But most people test using pistol rounds. I'd like to see how a rifle round holds up against armor. And x39 is great at barrier penetration so I believe even hollow points will zip right through 3A. Please and thanks 😃

[@wadelucero6461]

What a great test so many friends are going to pcc and carbine here in a over populated city where AR and AK are just to dangerous I think this ammo is perfect for home and personal defence thank you for this important data 👍

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@jamesrose1641]

Love your show and delivery!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate that!😎👊

[@generalgrant2003]

Could you test Freedom X-Def Defense ammo in 9mm and 40 S&W from Freedom Munitions? Thanks.

[@Dwayne7834]

Good test Tools. I have noticed before that the plastic tip . seems to always come out when the bullet backs up. Thanks for the video 👍🇺🇸

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yep, pops em right out.😎👊

[@chuckappel]

Looks like these 9mm loads don't quite match the velocities I'd expect from a .38 Super pistol. But, they performed really well. Penetration was great. Thanks.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@joeyphillips1181]

I like the 124 and the extra velocity and maybe a tiny bit more disruption.. I don't usually use that stuff in handguns but if I get a carbine I'll probably either run those or 147 grain HST's

[@joeyphillips1181]

Which I have been thinking about getting a 8" MP5 clone so that would probably be a great option.. I think the 147 grain HST would work great out of a longer barrel too

[@TenRing69]

That would be a decent round for a youngin' to start out close deer hunting with. Hell, I'd use in the home for self defense. Thanks for another great review Brian!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Pretty much zero recoil too.😎👊

[@MixyDoodle]

I'd like to use a suppressed 6.5" 9mm CMMG Dissent for home defense, but really struggling to pick a good load. With the way my house is laid out I'm particularly concerned with over penetration. I don't think these critical duty's are the right load, they're designed to penetrate barriers. But as you said I think the critical defense's are maybe too light for a 6.5" barrel and will just rip themselves apart and not perform as designed. I do really like the polymer insert that Hornady uses, but it seems like plenty of rounds without it have near perfect records of not clogging. The best two I'm seeing are the Defiant 135gr TCX-S and the Federal 147gr HST. Subsonic is not a requirement, but my intuition is the heavier slower moving rounds are more likely to dump their energy and not over penetrate. Wondering if you have any advice? I'm leaning towards the Defiant's except they're a lot less proven than the HST's. I have not watched all of your videos (yet!), I know there are other copper ones you like as well. Hoping you can point me in the right direction. Cheers.

[@Ron-Swanson]

Love the Cleetus hat! Have one of my own.

[@greenyoshi777]

Not enough expansion for me but the penetration is VERY good. Me likey that and the muzzle energy is very nice for 9mm considering. Makes me shudder to think what Federal HST or V-crown might be able to do out of a 16 inch barrel!

[@007twm]

Great review and great results. Thank you for another wonderful video.

[@patriotpreacher43]

Glad to see this! Looks like this combination of ammo and barrel length gets 9mm up to.357 magnum out of a 4 inch. Would like to see that new CCI uppercut out of a rifle. Can’t believe such a good company could blow it like they did calling that a pistol-specific round. I think it might be good in a rifle!

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@jcnikoley]

I run gold dots from my PCC, but a pistol length barrel.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Nice

[@cgsimons1187]

Gold Dots can seriously expand when the velocity is boosted from a longer barrel. Sometimes even too big.

[@jcnikoley]

@@cgsimons1187 As I said, it's a short pistol barrel.