Reptile Morphs to AVOID Buying! Neurological issues & More!

These are reptile morphs you should avoid getting! Bearded dragons, ball pythons, leopard geckos, etc. have morphs that can cause neurological issues and some physical issues as well!
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[@SnakeDiscovery]

It never occurred to me to provide less UVB for silkie bearded dragons. But it makes total sense now that you mention it. Thanks for that brain food!

[@aliward9818]

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[@babsdewinter3979]

Hi Emily

[@arthurgabriel7715]

Hi, Emily! I love your content. S2

[@Mistfall254]

What do you think about using an enclosure that is 36×18×12 for a single leo?

[@ellesreptiles]

I'm so glad you made this video. So many people buy these animals and have no idea what's going on with them.

[@halliecollins5594]

Elle's Reptiles me to

[@alscritters156]

Worse is when Bryan Barczyk who has a big following on KZbin and beginners look up too tell people it's all right to buy spyder python and that the neurological issues are very minor. Bryan makes about $400 on average for Spyder pythons, if people stop buying them, he's gonna lose a lot of business. I think people should step back and ask, should you breed an animal who will have NEUROLOGICAL damage. This isn't like a 1% chance, this is a handful. Humans are smart enough to know it is not ethical to continue breeding an animal with genetic defects. As hobbyist we are the ones breeding these snakes, these snakes don't decide themselves. Snakes are no different than humans, the same ethicality of not having a baby if you know the kid is gonna have a genetic defect that will affect the quality of life. The conversation should have ended when breeders have found out that there is a good percentage of spyders that have a neurological problem.

[@darkapothecary4116]

People just don't care, they just view them as pets they don't have to take care of them. The feelings and health of the animal isn't taken into consideration.

[@alscritters156]

@@darkapothecary4116 I wouldn't say they treat them as a "pet" more like a household object, a pet like a dog should be cared for lovingly, you should be able to provide the animals needs before you even buy the animal. Plus you shouldn't be aiming for the minimum, many people just ask what is the smallest cage size or the cheapest supplies when they first start off.

[@lamb8343]

More like too many people propagating “neurological issues” myths. Too many people spreading misinformation on the reasons these issues exist and it’s not the “morph” themselves. You can’t blame a kids autism on his brown hair and white skin tone when you you see autism in other kids with varying hair colors and skin tones. It makes zero sense. If genetics play a role then it is snake specific not morph specific.

[@anyalyssawest]

Bearded dragon breeder here; "silkies" should absolutely be considered a genetic DEFECT. Not only is it very difficult to provide them with adequate UBV, it's difficult to provide them an adequate quality of life. If they can climb it, it can tear/cut them. If they can't climb they become stressed. While bearded dragons do need a tank that is more long than tall, they NEED to be able to climb as well, since climbing helps them feel safe. Silkies are a result of the leatherback genetics. There are 2 variations of the leatherback gene, and you need both to create leatherbacks. 1 variation is more dominant, and breeding two dragons with this variation results in silkback dragons. Microscale is somewhere between leather and silk, and can be difficult to care for as well. I have an absolutely stunning translucent microscale dragon acquired from PetSmart, and plenty of requests to breed her. But I have no clue to her genetics, so I will not be breeding her, sadly. Her sheds are never easy, and they happen more frequently than our normal and leather dragon's sheds. I've also heard (though this isn't officially confirmed) that translucent dragons tend to be quite insane, and I concur.... After 6 months, this dragon still launches herself nearly 18 inches straight up in attempt to devour entire human limbs that enter her domain, and has been doing this since she was a mere 4 inches in overall length. About PetSmart/PetCo breeding: You have a VERY small number of individual stores them buy from quality breeders. 90% of the stores within the chain get ALL of their animals from "Sun Pets" in Florida. Sun Pets does NOT selective breed at all in any kind of way. They simply put a random male and female together, and you get what you get. Sun Pets is a TERRIBLE company, with horrible husbandry, ad improper care of their "assets".

[@somefrog9673]

This is a perfect summary. Both 'silkies' i've worked with at a reptile sanctuary I volunteer at have died of skin related problems. One was cancer, I know for a fact. Also,, I have NO IDEA how people think they are pretty?? They look disgusting!

[@kwiggy5091]

Agree with all of this. My Petco doesn't get any of our reptiles from that vendor but we have vendors we like more than others due to the health of the animals we receive. At my store we have local rescue phone numbers and websites on hand and always suggest adoption first. I will say I've worked at both chains in Florida, Georgia, Nevada, and Washington. I've never had healthy iguanas. I'd rather not sell them period and never order them but if a sale comes up they auto ship them. They stress so easily and always need some sort of medical attention. I'll be beyond happy when the chains quit selling animals but they should start with iguanas.

[@barbaraday7662]

Lyssa Caruso unfortunately unscrupulous people don’t care about the huge genetic complications than many animals have. Just look at bulldogs for instance, they are so malformed that they can’t even breed or give birth on their own and yet it is considered “acceptable”. Their lifespan is about half of an average dog as well.

[@KingTy-Gaming]

I have a dwarf purple paradox beardie, and I can 100% confirm he may have some mental issues, but I still love him regardless and it only makes him seem cuter

[@ViridianForests]

@@KingTy-Gaming You may love him, but please, please, please don't cutsify mental issues, be they from your animals or others

[@zareptiles]

I love seeing everyone starting conversations about these morphs! I think it’s very important that everyone understands the problems associated with them!

[@View-sc8wf]

ZA Reptiles I read this just as he was saying it lol

[@TheNemosdaddy]

You've been in the hobby how long? You don't think in 25 years these conversations haven't happened over and over?

[@zareptiles]

ImpsMyPimp regardless of how often they happen, it’s good to see different people bringing them up. Much of the younger generation isn’t aware of these issues yet and they watch youtubers like Tyler, Emma, Emily (speaking from experience because I have younger siblings and students), so it’s good to see all sorts of people starting the conversation so it reaches many different audiences.

[@thelittlestpika]

I love your garter snake shirt!

[@tylerrugge]

THANK YOU

[@maggotmcmaggot]

I just spent 15 minutes looking for one and didn't find it. I need it!

[@lillyhomme1993]

I thought it was a gucci shirt

[@kwiggy5091]

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[@amaliamiller1160]

I want it

[@nicole4158]

So I work at a chain pet store and I had NO IDEA what a silky bearded dragon was. Please do not go into a chain pet store and purchase an animal in general (whether its a fish or a dog) without knowing what you're getting yourself into because I'm not trained by the store to know what I know. Everything I know about the animals we sell is through my own research and passion. I will straight up refuse the sell of an animal if someone is very obviously not informed about the animal or not willing to provide it with enough care because the supplies needed to care for the animal are "too expensive". We aren't all bad I promise but I have to put some blame on the customers that go into stores and impulse buy animals/fish. I'll keep a look out for silky bearded dragons and let my manager know about the risks. I haven't seen any in the year I've been employed there but I'll keep a look out. Thank you.

[@Avion1929]

After watching GoHerping's video I felt bad since I'd been a person who didn't really know that the wobble was a neurological trait and thought it was cute. I'm really happy more and more people are coming out and bringing to light these issues, and not just in pythons!

[@PeeperSnail]

Don’t feel too bad. The problem is that this information is not released to consumers by breeders and sellers, you basically have to do an in-depth analysis of what only seems to be a scale patter because nobody wants you to know certain morphs come with strings attached. The fact that spider morphs are so popular is because people willingly refuse to inform pet owners of what they’re going to get. There’s also the whole masking of issues with cutesy names. For spider ball pythons it’s the wobble, which sounds oh-so-cute until you realize it’s the result of the snake having serious neurological damage from birth.

[@conradkorbol]

Clint’s reptiles has a good video He is the only actual scientist I have heard talk about. Once again he is a real scientist His video is the best one

[@petrescuework-difficultcas6581]

@@conradkorbol Clint is pro-spider, he has already bred them.

[@avatackett8935]

Conrad Korbol but he is pro and if you watch GoHerping’s video you’ll realize all the problems such as eating and not having a sense of direction

[@avatackett8935]

Shepherd Sam just because they are bred once doesn’t conclude that all clutches are going to be that way and I assume you haven’t watched GoHerping’s video on it or you would know these things🙄

[@tahsat966]

So glad that you are using your platform to spread awareness about these morphs and their neurological and/or physical issues

[@LadyVader]

Side note, also fish. Ranchu gold fish are specifically bred to have no dorsal fin. They can barely swim as a result. I love goldfish, I will NEVER own a ranchu or a bubble eye (delicate sacs of fluid by the eyes that tear easily)

[@yavineachtajellybean4664]

While it's true they have more trouble swimming, so do pretty much all fancy goldfish. My ranchu was actually a decent swimmer, faster than my fantail 😂

[@ottonormalverbraucher7835]

Bubble eye is really cruel and worse thier quality of life. Fancy goldfish who simply swiming slower, dont affect thier quality of life. A rancu can live a normal live just swimming slower. But BUBBLE EYE is simply Cruel and useless suffering. Exspercialy it is nearly impossible to make sure the sacks dont break. And the fact they have impraid vision from that and its simply DANGEROUS for the fish, living a normal live. Simply because bubble eye

[@loganmink2962]

My 1st BP was a lesserbee. Beautiful snake that was sold to me in a shady way. At the time I had heard whispers of the spider gene not being so great so did not look for one. I saw him at an expo and was just amazed at it's beauty, not even knowing that spider was in the bee gene. When the guy told me what a lesserbee was I was sad and ready to put the snake down and walk away. The guy assured me that this one was fine (he was already like 2 or 3 years old) and that spider wobble 'wasn't that bad anyway and people are just blowing it out if proportion". He then sliced the price almost in half.....dirty dealer indeed. The snake was pretty grumpy for a BP since day one but he started out a good eater and pretty stable. After a year though he stopped eating, then he started corkscrewing. I ended up giving him to experienced snake keepers at the reptile store in my area. I couldn't handle it. To this day I will NEVER even think of buying another spider anything and shame on those people who say 'it's not that bad'. SHAME! Then some years later I saw a surrendered silkie beardie at the same store. I fell in love with her and though I never really wanted a beardie like...ever...she called to me. I talked extensively with the guys there about her care requirements and they were very honesty about the intensity of her needs. After thinking it over I decided to adopt her. She is beautiful and has quite a personality but all those things Tyler touched on are absolutely true. Her sheds SUCK! Doesn't matter what lotion I use how often I soak her, they SUCK! She has a pretty good appetite but can't properly metabolize so she is now 4 years old and the size of a yearling. The owner before me didn't know proper silkie care and treated her like any other beardie resulting in a few missing toes, a third of her tail missing, and something going on with her bottom lip (possible and? Maybe just some bad sheds that disformed it, not sure). Like the Spider BP though, I will NEVER get another silkie. I purposefully take her to expos to grab people's attention then educate them about why they are bad. Luckily I have never seen anyone selling silkie at an expo. These 'morphs' are no joke and I really wish breeders and sellers would just STOP! Ir at least be honest about the issues. Shady enough to produce these animals and even worse to lie about the severity of their needs. Just...UHG! OK...I'm done now lol. Thank you for an excellent video Tyler.

[@rosiexpetunia6138]

How long did this take

[@WildLife_Perspective]

Wow I didn't really know about the Jaguar carpet python or the lemon Frost leopard gecko effects. I'm so glad people are making more and more videos of things that we should be watching out for in the reptile community. I'm learning so much each and every day about reptiles!

[@amberklaire9419]

Absolutely avoid spiders at all costs. They're GORGEOUS but it's cruel to breed them.

[@grimmb3686]

Amber Klaire Adopt one from a rescue!

[@CrowFusion]

@@grimmb3686 dont even adopt them from a rescue. Just don't give them any attention and once they lower in popularity, they wont be bred anymore

[@TheNemosdaddy]

Why? You're making irrational, irresponsible decisions not based on facts.

[@gracthedestroyer9253]

*ENTER MEME HERE* dragonheartmeteor Well spiders from rescues aren’t giving money to profit g more spiders, and if you can take care of them you save a probably special needs snake from a possibly unknowing owner.

[@CrowFusion]

@@gracthedestroyer9253 yup true. Idk if I said anything abouf the profit but yeah rescuing animals like that is good as ling as you aren't posting anywhere that theyre okay to BUY. But yes I see what youre saying

[@StainedBrain]

#1: Spiders? Bumblebee? Scaleless? Super Cinnamon? (these are just my guesses)

[@Tater_Toot]

One thing I notice about spider ball supporters is that they are all typical "masculine" males. A breeder who tried to sell me his spiders just said all the spider ban supporters are kids and pretty girls who put on lots of makeups. 😑

[@feral_felidae472]

I understand spider morphs and cinnys, but what's wrong with scaleless?

[@StainedBrain]

@@Tater_Toot On NERD's video is a perfect example of what you're talking about. Goherping (Alex) has a pinned comment on that video. He wanted to have a civil discussion about Spiders. Everyone who supported Spiders were irrational and childish man babies. Everyone who was against Spiders being bred were level headed and made good arguments, never turning to insults. They just said facts. 😂

[@StainedBrain]

@@feral_felidae472 I think it's because their skin is very fragile? I haven't heard much about them

[@kosmik8647]

@@feral_felidae472 I've heard they have problems with shedding, also they don't have heat pits and they have reduced motion because they're missing their ventral scales. Also the scales are supposed to protect the snake's skin so missing all of them isn't a good thing. I've heard they don't survive for long either which is sad. :/

[@Talemon203]

Your welcome for this😉 Ball pythons- 2:03 Bearded dragons- 11:11 Leopard geckos- 15:33

[@3dPrintingMillennial]

You skipped carpet pythons. You're fired

[@Talemon203]

Jericho Snaxxx there’s no carpet pythons in the video bud

[@3dPrintingMillennial]

@@Talemon203 yes there are bro. Watch the whole video

[@3dPrintingMillennial]

@@Talemon203 here. I did the work for you. 8:11

[@Talemon203]

Jericho Snaxxx my fault

[@lizzipinter3420]

without knowing about the enigma morph I bought a leopard gecko whose parents had the gene thinking wow a pretty orange gecko! he's four now and shown no signs of issues thank god. thank you for talking about it because the person who sold him to me assured me there is no issues with enigmas!

[@christopherfricker5018]

Thank you for sharing this! I didn't know this could happen with Orange ones.

[@stinnje]

@@christopherfricker5018 Not all orange/tangerine geckos have the enigma gene. But it can be combined with lots of different morphs. Very few enigmas are just enigma. They're enigma and tangerine, enigma and eclipse, enigma and albino, etc. The best way to know if you aren't familiar with what enigma looks like is to ask the breeder. Enigmas tend to sell for more so people won't try to hide it.

[@kalabell12]

I love how you approach bringing awareness to valid issues without being disrespectful. I’ve seen some other people who have brought attention to the issues (with the spider morph in particular) get absolutely slaughtered by someone else - an “expert” - in a video or post/comment response; saying the person calling it out is just young, inexperienced, doesn’t know what they’re talking about, and being generally awful and demeaning towards the person because they’re trying to “prove” there’s nothing wrong with it. It’s pure selfishness in my opinion. Thanks for making this video and for being REAL and respectful. 🙌🏻

[@alenrae1370]

Silkies also have a lower life expectancy. I avoid breeders who breed them. There’s no reason for it.

[@queeny5613]

Really? so I have 3 silkies at home and we bought them as sitters. I dind't know they had a lower life expectancy, I thought it was the opposite as they have life spans of 7-9 years

[@mvgikk1969]

Really Random normal beardies can live from 10-15 years i think

[@finestsickman216]

@@mvgikk1969 correct

[@Kaylalyons69]

I've never liked the look of silky beardies. The poor things look like they have been melted. It's so sad. Makes me even more sad to know that they are actually more fragile.. :( Those poor babies..

[@mortedoll7355]

Imo they look like weird gummybears. I also don't understand why people want their beardies spike/scaleless... I love my spikey boi

[@NamelessAidan]

When I was first looking into getting a ball python I really liked the look of super cinnamon but couldn't afford one anyway. I later heard about their health issues and decided not to ever get one. Not worth it. Besides, I have a snake now and she is a beautiful normal/wild type with beautiful light orangey/gold undertones on her sides. She's healthy, she never refuses a meal. She seems to be healthy and happy as far as I can tell and that's more important anyway.

[@gretahunt4401]

What's the issue with super cinnamon? I'm not aware of this one.

[@NamelessAidan]

@@gretahunt4401 they often end up with severe kinking. I'm not an expert but to my understanding it's a relatively common issue with the morph.

[@pandafish3522]

Actually they don’t just up and develop it. It’s due to the breeding. Yes it’s a major flaw, as in 70% of super cinnamon hatchlings die in the egg. If they even survive out of the egg, there is a massive chance of the spine being kinked. There are only maybe 5% of S.C’s that are born without the spine kinks. Those are what the breeders sell to the public

[@pandafish3522]

Those being sold usually don’t have any kinks at all. I have only seen one at my local expo that had a kink, and it took the price down from the usual $2,500 to $200 because they didn’t want to sell it for all that money knowing it had a defect. The kink it had wasn’t even severe or all that noticeable and didn’t affect its movements or quality of life in any way. The kink was at the tip of the tail WAY past it’s vent and it was like a tiny little knot. He could still bend his tail, even the tip fully(I held him to inspect it fully)

[@fairybebbiesuwu366]

Greta Hunt he talked about it in the video

[@edgidner66]

I find it really interesting how you can almost neatly divide those that support selling and breeding animals that are deficient by their age. I wonder what that says. Do more experienced people look at their animals more as livestock vs younger people that see them as companion pets? I don't know, but there is probably some interesting information there. Personally, I am against selling, buying breeding animals with known issues. I don't understand why people get so defensive. I also had no idea these other animals can also have issues. Just goes to show that in research one should trust no single source and don't stop learning about an animal just because you have a care sheet memorized.

[@tylerrugge]

I’ve found a lot of people who support morphs that cause health issues are the people who are profiting off of selling them. Some people find more value in money or the looks of an animal rather than the well-being, but I can’t relate.

[@thisfool89]

Or maybe its because older people actually have experience with the animals in question....... i bet this kid has never owned any of these animals that he is trying to speak on.

[@thisfool89]

@@tylerrugge a spider ball python sells for less then $100 no one is getting ritch off of the spider gene and if the gene was so hard to keep healthy enough to breed they wouldn't use the animals because economically it wouldn't make sense.

[@pyroawl]

It's the same thing with millenials and baby boomers lol. I think the biggest difference is that millenials and following generations are just more and better educated. We didn't get pulled out of high school or college to go fight a war. We can see that our planet is dying and we generally care about the animals on that planet. There's also more and more research coming out on reptiles in general, and I think we're one of the most highly read generations yet so we read stuff, we learn and then we try to educate. When that happens we get called idiots for trying to ban straws or you know, stop needless breeding of animals. I'm in a leopard gecko "beginner" group on fb. Neither of those morphs are mentioned in the care sheets, which funnily enough havn't been updated since 2015. We're learning more now about what these creatures are really like than what we thought we knew 4 years ago even.

[@macnutz4206]

I do not love snakes, at all. But, even I am horrified by what I saw here. I believe it is cruel to intentionally breed these kinds of terrible issues. I see what serious problems have been created in different dog breeds, because of both back yard and more legitimate breeders, breeding for appearance, while ignoring the serious problems they are creating to get the look they want. There is nothing pretty about a neurologically damaged animal. This is disturbing. Animals are not objects. You do not need to be a lover of reptiles to see what is wrong with this.

[@iibnbiibn]

@Stephen Amazen then it probably has a different issue not due to the morph. but spiders' issues are BECAUSE of the morph so its 100% preventable by not breeding them

[@TR-hy9pn]

This whole thing reminds me of pugs/unethical dog breeding.

[@puffel8145]

@@TR-hy9pn oh yeah...Or the new German shepherds with their curved back. The had a beautifull straight back but I guess people like the curved one more?..

[@lostsilver1162]

Even if you don't like snakes, thank you! Also, you should see my noodle, still small. Everyone loves her.

[@vidyasreeram2587]

Agreed.

[@XxkaioshinxX]

I have a Spider by myself. My little angel is 3 years old and still looks like a baby. She has a bad wobble, is a bad eater and isn't really trying to shed properly... I must help her every time. Her pattern is absolutly beautiful... but I feel really bad about her issues :'( Brian Barczyk only cares about money an not for the proper health of his snakes... He can't tell me that it's not affecting theirs lifes -.- I can see it by my little noodle... Sorry for my bad english ^_^'

[@TheNemosdaddy]

Sigh....you people

[@thiccqueensupreme9846]

Yu S. Amano mine was the same way :(

[@abigailthompson838]

ImpsMyPimp They didn’t know lol

[@lea_e3242]

ImpsMyPimp yeah what the frick Is your problem??

[@emilie2667]

ImpsMyPimp Im not sure what you mean by “you people”. If your talking about her buying it not everyone is aware of the issues spider ball pythons have. If your talking about her saying things about Bryan it’s true, Bryan is a crusty dude. He doesn’t care about his animals only the money.

[@bridgets3875]

This video is great and I learned a lot, but can I throw out there that if I took a shot every time you said the phrase "Neurological Issue(s)" I would have died about 10 minutes in?

[@Austin-do8se]

So true 😂

[@kaylasweers6756]

Not related to the message of the video but I need a jacket version of that shirt

[@emmerypersonal7188]

Kayla Sweers agreed

[@khbgvc]

I need that shirt XD

[@lzz6694]

I thought it was a jacket until i read this comment xd

[@thevscopeppapig5398]

Yass

[@DracoTheDragon]

🙌

[@buffalowash]

I worked at Petco for several years and many of the animals displayed neurological issues, reptiles and small animals. Anything that’s bred in a way to be mass produced is likely to develop issues.

[@masonk.wilson538]

My mouse from petsmart has seizures, but pretty sure it's from his age. He's an old cheese boi.

[@pamp5180]

I got my first ball python some time ago, I researched everything about husbandry and was very nervous about taking good care of him, I got him from a good reputable breeder, my boy is a Woma who, as I found out later, also have wobble. I wasn’t aware wobble even existed and the breeder never even mentioned it, I had to find out all on my own when I saw him doing the weird flip movements and the wobbling in his head when he went at his food. I’ve been making accommodations, like changing the size of his enclosure, figuring out the best way to feed him and keeping handling to a minimum. I love him I just... wish I knew about it before I got him, I don’t really agree with breeding animals that can have a bad quality of life especially after experiencing it first hand. Thank you for the video! It’s good to know what the morphs bring with them and I didn’t know about some of these! Next time I get a ball python I’ll research issues in morphs more throughly!

[@reptitan5498]

Its very good that you have been covering topics that most other creators haven't. Great video as always! 🐍❤🦎

[@LilyRayne1998]

You should make another video about the kinks found in breeding the cinnamons and caramel morphs of ball pythons. Great video! I have experience with silky beardies and I 100% agree with the shedding issue, sometimes even tend to get large chunks stuck and you have to soak them

[@JaydenMoth]

Sadly I was thinking of getting a lemonfrost gecko for my first time breeding! Glad I had watched this video before planning to pay lots for one! Like he said in the video, id never buy any of these morphs but if theyre rescue animals looking for homes, id personally take one in my home to care for the best of my ability. No animal deserves to suffer due to people mass breeding these animals for beautiful patterns. They deserve to be respected and cared for their lifetime.

[@Breyos]

Continuing to buy genetically unhealthy animals while being aware of their problems is not ''your decision'. It's entirely irresponsible to continue to promote these things and if you do; you should be called out for it. The health of the animal comes first and your need for a certain aesthetic always comes last.

[@vidyasreeram2587]

Agreed.

[@Christywoowoo]

Thank you for talking about Enigmas! I hear people talk about spiders and scaleless animals very often, but not enough about Enigma Leos.

[@finnjpg7891]

i wondered if you’d post a video on this! glad to hear your take on it. personally, i don’t think spider morphs should be bred at all. i just don’t think it’s worth it for the high chance most spiders will have a short or lessened quality of life, just for its appearance. i still think it’s down to each person to decide, after being educated on it, whether or not they want to own/breed one, but i can’t personally consider it

[@Austin-do8se]

Agreed

[@Alexandra-ib5dp]

It's videos like these that make me recomened your channel at my job (Petsmo) I have even let people watch your care guides on my phone so they know what they are getting into

[@Regrettable-Username]

"Hey, these bearded dragons have evolved to have scales for protection." "... let's breed that away." "why?" "cuz we think it's pretty."

[@vidyasreeram2587]

Sick🤮🤮

[@m0thman815]

I feel like reptile keepers are super great and super proactive about informing people about reptiles and keeping them safe. (Except Brian Barcyzk)

[@8happyperson]

Thanks for talking about this! I've seen people focusing on criticizing people with spider ball pythons but not saying a word about other morphs. Thanks for educating!

[@mrsmoth101]

In general I think that people should look at shelters/people adopting out their pets first before going to breeders with any pet, but I think people should do this especially for genetically defected breeds. You want a spider ball python? Cool, look on Craigslist. You want a pug? Cool, look at a nearby humane society. You want a Scottish fold? Cool, look at a nearby shelter. There’s nothing wrong with wanting to take care of these breeds, but what’s wrong is supporting the breeding of them. By looking at other sources, you’re not supporting the breeders that sell them, therefor they make no profit on their genetically defected and suffering animals.

[@pyroawl]

I agree completely. It's why I get so pissed whenever people say they "rescued" something from a petstore. It's like, no. Unless the store lost money in the end, you bought that animal and are helping to fuel the pet trade. If you REALLY wanted to rescue something, go to an animal shelter or get one off craiglist that clearly needs a new home, but don't delude yourself into thinking you saved that animals life when in reality, you doomed more animals to that fate.

[@merkules6]

I am about to get a new puppy nrxt year. I love whippets, and my late dog was a whippet that I got as a puppy when I was 13. I almost took a whippet that needed rehoming, but it turned out he didn't like other male dogs, which would've made my long visits to my parents impossible. So I'm choosing a breeder. It's nice to raise your own dog. I loved training mine and seeing how brilliant she became as an adult. As for shelters, many dogs coming from them have special needs regarding training and keeping them. I know I couldn't necessarily handle a resque dog, even though I have owned and trained dogs before. Also, here there aren't strays, mostly because people don't abandon their dogs. People are bringing in strays from neighbouring countries where things aren't as great. These dogs might carry bacteria that are super resistant to antibiotes, and even illnesses like rabies, which is something that hasn't been a problem here in ages. So I'll rather get a puppy from a good, responsible breeder. We have no shortage of them. Oh, and here it's illegal to sell cats or dogs on pet shops, which should be the case everywhere in the world. I think the most important thing when getting an animal is to know what you're getting in to. Whether you buy or adopt one.

[@merkules6]

I can't edit my reply because I'm writing this on my phone, but I meant that the dogs coming from neighbouring countries might CARRY rabies, not that they'd be resistant to it, lol

[@petrescuework-difficultcas6581]

@@merkules6 There are always shelter dogs that had loving families and had to be given up cause of unexpected disasters inside the family. These dogs never experienced anything bad, are often trained and were well pampered for. Not all shelter dogs are difficult. You might just have to look around a bit until you find a dog that is fitting for you.

[@ilagrace2154]

I love that you are a pet owner who actually cares for your pets and really genuinely wants to help others become educated!! We need more pet KZbinrs like you!

[@sarafarrell6808]

How long do you think it'll take for Brian to make another whinge video about how people who don't want animals to suffer for "beauty" are trying to ruin his business even though Tyler didn't mention Brian at all

[@incineroar9933]

100 to 1 odds. Brian is absolutely insane

[@geckosaurx4453]

Literally why does Brian even have that many animals? Like it's literally in the level of being a hoarder, and yet I get screamed at for just wanting a second gecko. It's really irritating, especially since someone who cares more about the looks of the animal then the health of it has such a large following. It's awful.

[@geckosaurx4453]

It's fine, no one knew back then. Not many people know now. We are only just breaking the surface. Brain has way to many animals. They are all kept in tanks way to small, that the snakes and lizards cannot even stretch out. He does a few things right, I'll admit that, but I can't be the only one to think it's weird to see a 3 foot long snake in a tub the size of a pencil box, right?

[@withmymindandmyimagination844]

@@Sam-ed3eb Dont feel to bad about what matters now is that you know now and everyone is a defending fan at some point. It's actually really cool that you were able to realize the truth in fact yesterday I watched a video about how Brian mistreated his animal in which was very well done and contained a lot of evidence. There were literaly comments that told her to shut up and stop using Brians name for views with the accusations that the evidence was fake (in which were Brians pictures and videos of his animals)

[@marsel108]

You are dumb brian breeds soo much and none of his spider breeds have issues that are bad enough to impact the quality of their life.

[@beccab2151]

I had no idea about the issues with the lemon frost leopard geckos.

[@karalee4701]

Me living with MS: "I am the spider ballpython." JK I am seriously glad that you made this video. These are beautiful morphs, but it isn't worth the chance that they have their quality of life compromised ❤

[@DesiPanda674]

as someone else with MS, i agree lol

[@karalee4701]

@@DesiPanda674 and I see you you are a fellow Slytherin as well

[@DesiPanda674]

Is it too nerdy to say I even have it tattooed?

[@karalee4701]

Nope because I have Expecto Patronum tattooed on my forearm and a snow owl with a snitch on my upper arm haha

[@ashleighscott9896]

Y'all my people!! Im a ravenclaw, but I've also got nerdy HP tattoo "i solemnly swear i am up to no good"

[@devilchild1448]

I have a spider, but i bought him off of a previous owner who had him up to sell for someone to breed. Not wanting that knowing they have problems, i got him to let him live his life out. He has next to no wobble and feeds great. Im currently working on giving him a really nice tank and set up. Hes very active and is I believe almost 3. With lots of attention and good meals i hope hell live out his life happily. ONCE AGAIN i got him to prevent someone from breeding him. (I also really like his pattern. But lots of people do too.)

[@allisonbarry720]

Thank you for doing this in a factual way. And not being a bully to anyone.

[@BetchinBullet]

I think breeders need to take more responsibility and stop breeding morphs that negatively impact the animal. It's not fair to make them suffer just because we like the way they look. There are so many beautiful, healthy reptiles out there without these debilitating morphs. This is a very informative video that needs to be discussed way more...

[@baemaxbby]

This was very informative and you can tell all the hard work you put into this video. Great work and thank you for the great information!

[@888fluffy]

Imo, wild types are always the most beautiful

[@lilycatlin]

THANK YOU, for making this video! I am the person that asked during your YouNow broadcast if you think Spider morphs should be banned. I wish I would have known about the Spider morph issues before I got my Spider. I am wanting to get another BP and I was thinking of getting a Bumblebee but thanks to you, I know not to get one. I am going to write down all of the morphs that you mentioned can have issues so I can avoid them when I search for my next BP. Thank you, Tyler! I hope I end up with a 🐍 as chill as Monty and as cute as Tesla!!

[@rabbitquartet9273]

4:05 that's really sad 😔 I feel bad for them!

[@verilu8]

Luckily most of them don't have neurological issues of that severity, still don't think they should be bred.

[@abigailthompson838]

Sometimes they miss and try to “eat” themselves. They are too confused to understand that the rodent isn’t the one biting them.

[@emilymelvin5771]

Thank you for making this, it was very informative and I'm sure many people (including me for a few of these, I had heard of the Enigma but not the Lemon Frost gene) learned a lot from it. I'm mostly in the boa community myself, and I've heard of at least one gene there that causes neurological issues as well, though I can't remember the name of it right now. I'll have to dig that one up again.. Edit: Ah, it was the Super Motley. Apparently they tend to die around the two year mark (which is absolutely despicable for an animal who could otherwise live to twenty-five), due to issues with the spinal column. Unlike the Spider gene, this seems to be caused by far too much inbreeding and may be able to be reversed in the future with the addition of enough healthy new blood, but we'll see.

[@jessebarker7285]

Thank you so much for being vocal about these issues! It breaks my heart that reptiles end up being treated as designer products with no concern for the well being for the species or individual animals :( no animal should live a life of suffering like these morphs do!

[@avante-gardegeckos1233]

Thank you so much for educating everyone on these morphs. With all the different areas of reptile keeping it’s difficult to keep up with which morph causes issues, so thank you so tremendously much!!

[@riflebabe7036]

Awesome video. So many people have no idea about these kinds of problems. I feel there is a huge problem with breeders not making customers aware of problems certain animals can have.

[@kayd.2607]

I was just binge watching your old videos when the notification for a new vid popped up! Excited to learn about this subject. Sooo important!

[@cielrobinson]

if someone doesn't consider the issues with these morphs bad enough to avoid breeding them, you have to wonder where they'll draw the line at what IS bad enough. imo, ethical breeders should not take even the slightest risk of producing animals they know could have a reduced quality of life, that only have that reduced quality of life because the breeder consciously decided more of that morph should exist.

[@ameliajohnson4852]

I bought a silkie before I knew anything about them. I just thought she was pretty. Poor thing is always shedding. I have to give her aloe Vera baths and lotion her. It’s like a ginger kid that needs to live in the desert.

[@thereal_daxp2263]

Reason I wrote that is because a few of the kids at my school hate how he talks about reptiles and think that he hates and doesn’t care for his reptiles, but just to let you know that I used his videos to make sure that I’m taking care of my reptiles and they are living a nice and happy life

[@mypawfectfamily]

What’s disgusting is that some people specifically seek out spider ball pythons because of how “cute” the wobble is. It’s so sad:(

[@trashqueen5356]

I hand feed my silky bearded dragon cause she has problems eating wich is making her pretty thin. But she has gotten a bit more fat wich is good. Yeah thats all i wanted to say. Have a nice day

[@phrog1582]

Awe poor chunky dragon isn’t a chunky dragon❤️

[@scrappydudes1783]

Unless I just missed it, you didn't mention the fact that breeding a female silkie would result in having her skin ripped open which is super unethical

[@AnotherCatLady-]

I LOVE that you are using your platform to talk about these issues in the breeding world. A few months ago I was looking into becoming a snake mom and had no idea about wobbles. I can't help but to feel completely unprotected as a consumer with no disclaimer for the extra or even completely different care requirements for some of these special needs animals. I don't agree with breeding any animal that will have have a miserable existence, regardless of how attractive it may be. Edit: that's awful about the leopard geckos 😭

[@catteo2832]

Thank you. Too many people support these morphs without knowing or caring about these issues they have

[@TheLovablekc]

That footage actually made me really sad, didn't expect that

[@KS1x17]

Thank you for talking about bearded dragons! I'm thinking about getting one, so now I know which ones to avoid.

[@NimrodFowl]

Love your channel. It's a great approach to inform people and motivate them to do research. I would work on repetition, sometimes I feel like you already said things.

[@la-tro-dectus]

I love this video SO MUCH. We have a spider bp and a champagne mojave. They both wobble pretty bad (the spider less than our champ) and it actually affects how much they eat and stuff. Brad, the champ, has only gotten worse over time and he has a slight tilt at all times. He doesn't corkscrew or anything but I personally had no idea the gene had issues so I was super surprised. But yeah, long story short, it's a really serious issue with all of these animals, and I am against buying and breeding them now that I know better.

[@sarahpallardy4121]

i’ve seen scaleless ball pythons, would that be the same concept as silky bearded dragons?

[@kathrynhamorsky2063]

Yes, identical.

[@JensengTea]

This was such an informative video! I'm planning on getting a ball python at some point and was previously aware of the spider morph's problems. But all the other reptiles I had no idea about! I only want a ball, but I'm glad I know about these animals now, too. By the way... your eyebrows are PERFECT.

[@zz7733]

Thank you so much for talking about the bumblebee morph! It's beautiful, I would buy it in a heartbeat at an expo if I didn't hear you talk about it just now.

[@gabehorne2685]

I actually bought a spider ball python from a breeder before I knew about their issues, even after I asked him if there were NO problems with the snake. Some people out there are just in it for the money.

[@lisawelsh9359]

Thanks for educating us! I appreciate all the info you provide in your videos. Keep up the good work!

[@fallenstar4908]

*Also to add on, this applies to kind of all animals. For example cockatiels, Lutino cockatiels tend to get sick more often than the normal grey. The normal grey is the natural color so you will tend to have a more longer lifespan. But ironically, the longest living cockatiel was a lutino :/ this also happened with bearded dragons. the "fancy bearded dragon" died faster than my friend's "normal" bearded dragon. (they were kept in different terrariums btw). Anyway I hope you understand that i'm not telling you what to do. I idiotically bought a white faced cockatiel. But i love him with my all my heart ❤*

[@incineroar9933]

It's insanely hard to find a normal tiel these days. I've been looking for a normal with the wild colored gray legs, rip

[@fallenstar4908]

@@incineroar9933 yeah, as soon as i got my tiel, i did even more research and f'd up 2 things, he's an adult, and hes a whiteface :( idk how to tame this little dud.

[@ickcat]

I'm watching a friend's Enegma Leopard Gecko since I have a few other special needs animals. She loses weight very easily, and has trouble eating, sometimes missing her food six or seven times, even though I hold her worms and such with tongs. I only hold her when I'm cleaning her enclosure, which stresses her, so her head tilts to the right until she ends up just corkscrewing in my hands. It's best to just get her in a substutute enclosure while I clean her tank out. She gets stressed with other geckos nearby, and my friend is in the process of moving, so I'm holding onto the baby until everything at the new house gets figured out and so the transition will be as stress free for the gecko as possible.

[@peachyexotics1879]

Had no idea how serious Enigma syndrome is! Thank you for making this video to inform me and thousands of others!!

[@xXdwsizevilXx]

Tyler, this is a great video and I am glad you addressed this topic. I think it's great that you are using your platform to educate people about these designer morphs and the health issues associated with some of the more complex morphs. A lot of first time pet owners (regardless of species) flock to KZbin to learn more about the animals they might want. I think it's great that so many channels are putting out informative videos like this that could steer novices away from these. One tip for a video like this, try to avoid saying "neurological issue" over and over and try to name a more specific descriptor for a trait like wobbling in spider morph pythons or enigma leopard gecko morphs often experience seizures. I'm glad you're getting the word out so that novice pet owners will be more informed. Thanks for looking out for the pets who might not get the best care from novices who wont be prepared to address them.

[@sirherothebrave]

never was a fan of silkies, always felt something was odd. Good to know I had a good gut feeling and made good judgment. My friend wants one and I now have knowledge of what is wrong with the morph thanks for sharing. What is a lizard without scales?!

[@Cy_Cyborg]

Coastal carpet pythons are super common in Australia, they're like most people's first snake here (Ball pythons and anything non-native is banned here) and I've never heard of the jaguar gene causing issues before. I almost bought one fairly recently actually, but the breeder said she was a bit aggressive and not feeding well (maybe that's why) so I decided against it. Thanks for the heads up

[@lozzawhite858]

Cath Nelson coastal carpet was our first snake (in Aus) . He is absolutely beautiful! I had no idea this was a thing ! Our second baby is a beautiful yellow jungle python no issues with either so far.

[@kimberlytice2496]

I had no idea about spider pythons when I bought mine. Kujo has issues, but he never misses a strike or a meal. He seems happy, not stressed, and very laid back. Hopefully he will live a long and happy life.

[@vixtion9180]

I have a spider ball python and before you dislike I was not going to get one at first but I found him with a full bio-active set up for 200 on craigslist and I was lucky because he had almost no wobble and I saved him from doing more breeding with a female spider morph. Now he is apart of my family and my little brother loves him and tries to kiss him. He will forever be my first snake

[@strawberrywaerm8793]

IMO if you get one rehomed to you and you take care of it well its fine. the snake needs a home either way just dont support the breeders.

[@ritasallee6331]

Tyler, so very informative. The footage of the spider ball python was so painful to watch. Thank you!

[@bratatouille]

1:25 *cough* brian barzyc *cough*

[@logan8212]

Olivia Olenzuk his video of how much he supports the morph though. Throwing a bit of the ban of selling spiders at expos. Not the sale completely just at expos. Having that large of an audience and not showing a severe case of the neurological issue with the morph

[@incineroar9933]

@@fionajudd-cooper3166 Just because Nerd did a bad thing doesn't mean we should ignore others who do the thing.

[@incineroar9933]

@@fionajudd-cooper3166 Not necessarily. I've bought animals who were harmed or made ill by their breeders. I have a bird with splayed legs. The guy who bred him didn't bother splinting his legs. I have a one-legged bird. He lost his leg because the band the breeder put on was too tight and had been cutting off circulation for months before I got him. Breeders have to be held solely responsible for the harm they cause their animals

[@felicias9265]

Thank you SO much for educating the animalworld on this!! So important to inform about this!!👌🏻

[@MixItPixitPaints]

I appreciate your knowledge and not really deterring people from buying and only informing people of the issues. I also appreciate your use of words and not bullying other breeders especially known ones about breeding these animals. This was very professional and I learned a lot today about the actual animals and not how shitty of a KZbinr someone is

[@Zyralire]

Im not a reptile keeper (yet haha) but thank you so much for informing people about the dangers of different morphs. Its been quite eye opening especially for people like me who simply had no idea :)

[@jess.bus.photosx6388]

I have a African house snake didn't know what they were till I did research I know this snake isn't mentioned on this channel but it's KZbinrs like you that makesure we all care for our animals accordingly and I'm glad because now I have mine which is my first snake he is cared for well and I love him so much ❤️

[@thereal_daxp2263]

Just know, he is just telling us that these animals aren’t bad they just are a lot more work than normal and also he cares very much for reptiles and how I know is that I’ve watched his channel since about the beginning

[@hrpdrp97]

I actually saw a person who thought the spider wobble, was cute, and the wobble was what she loved about the snake and why she bought instead of adopted.....yea, I hope she gets vertigo so her snake can see how cute it is.

[@KikiCatNovelties]

Great video! The animal community is full of so many different types of people, and for a long time I think breeders have gotten away with questionable morals and shotty ethics when it comes to the animals they breed. I think that when a breeder purposefully breeds animals that fail to thrive (yes, the goal of animal breeder should be thriving animals, not just surviving animals) they are completely irresponsible and do damage to the hobby as a whole. While I personally have no issue with breeders as a concept, breeders who contribute to overpopulation and general animal suffer deserve to be called out and scrutinized because their practice does more harm than good.

[@madelinegarber7860]

This is good info. I also heard you should be careful when buying blood red cornsnakes because they’re more prone to immune system issues.

[@theotterone4111]

Many spiders have low spider physical traits and still may have severe wobble, whereas some will have high physical traits with no wobble. ((it depends on the offspring of the spider and other snake. But it is actually very common to have a wobble from the spiders genes)) Breeders will often claim they have snakes with no wobble, but as we have learned it is impossible. The syndrome is completely associated with their patterns and entirely unable to be removed from the gene. If it were a genetic predisposition, it would have easily been bred out by now. While wobble severity certainly varies from individual to individual, one cannot predict whether the wobble will worsen or improve over time. Additionally, even if you bred a spider with little visible wobble, it can still produce young with an extreme wobble. It’s an unpredictable process. Pretty much every spider wobbles... Also this was copy and paste so if u wanna read the whole thing look it up on google www.google.com/amp/s/wheremyscalesslither.tumblr.com/post/149392453083/the-spider-ball-python-and-the-wobble/amp

[@hollyklavinger7342]

that poor python in that vid almost made me cry😭

[@xXNightmare53Xx]

I wholeheartedly agree with the whole lemon frost scenario. They're so bright and sharp in whites and yellows and have those black dottings, but they're extremely prone to tumors and they're gonna end up costing you an arm and a leg for one. Not to mention when these issues first persisted in this morph, the gourmet rodent (a wholesale company who created the morph) tried to breed for super lemonfrosts which resulted in hatchlings dying pretty quickly. It's eugenics in animals and the need for variation over health that really makes me rethink being in the reptile hobby :(

[@Nodonttalk29]

Thank you for talking about this. People think that it is fine to breed animals that has a "cute head wobble". It is very disturbing.

[@kitsune0rei]

Thanks for bringing up that Spider is present in other mixes that have other names! I knew about Spider but I wanted a Bumblebee for a little while because I really liked the look and Pastel is one of my favorite morphs and I think mixes really well with other things. At the time I didn't know Spider was the only way to get that kind of pattern look, and now I know I don't want a Bumblebee!

[@allenjones1947]

Great video Tyler! Loving these information vids

[@Rainonychus]

It's disgusting how some breeders think it's okay to exploit 'sick' animals for profit.

[@lilmisscoopie]

Thank you for making this. I was aware of the spider gene in ball pythons, but had very little information on anything else. They really should have disclaimers wherever these animals are sold. I have a rescue wild-type male ball python and keep wondering about getting a female - now I know what to avoid if I end up buying instead of adopting - so thank you!

[@aquadraco20]

Thank you for making this video!! The more people talking about this topic, the better. Also, where did you get that shirt? I'd love to get one myself!

[@janell8372]

This was an awesome way to weight in on the issue inform the demand rather than attack the supply.

[@hollyshepperson6504]

I love your shirt and this video is very important ..thanks for shining light on these issues, love your channel!

[@lifeastristan8348]

Low key Tyler is really cute, especially when he is talking about animals

[@CloudsAndDays]

People are cute when they’re passionate about things.