Resin Casting: Pressure vs Vacuum

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Peter Brown

Peter Brown

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I finally got a pressure pot. Now, why would I want a pressure pot and how is it different from a vacuum chamber?
Let's talk about that!
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@JimsonMakes
@JimsonMakes 5 жыл бұрын
I’ve given up trying to de-gas resin in a vacuum chamber, I just use the pressure pot now for getting rid of the bubbles. The vacuum chamber is great for degassing silicone and of course stabilisation. Cheers Jim
@peterbrownwastaken
@peterbrownwastaken 5 жыл бұрын
I agree with you. It's so much more reliable.
@xzendon
@xzendon 5 жыл бұрын
What would the effect of pressurizing the champlber with pure oxygen be? Especially if you had some kind of agitator in there to mix in as much gas as possible. Would you get a hypercombustible brick of death? Or just a block of plastic that slowly seeps O2?
@ExaltedDuck
@ExaltedDuck 5 жыл бұрын
One advantage of vacuum degassing is that the material can be degassed and then poured in molds that might not fit in a chamber of either variety. Having vacuumed degassed stuff like this more than a few times, I'd recommend a container wide enough so that the resin doesn't fill it more than 10-20%. I just leave the release valve open and cover it with my thumb until the material almost overflows, then pop my thumb off until the pressure goes about halfway back to normal (without a gauge, just let the material settle down to about it's original level). But given the results of this video, it does appear than pressurization might be the easier way to go if the mold does fit in the chamber.
@JimsonMakes
@JimsonMakes 5 жыл бұрын
Yes degassing resin certainly has a place but for the sort of work I do the pressure pot works better. The temperature has to be right for degassing to work and it needs to be done quickly. There is a danger of boiling the resin under a strong vacuum, which I think is what happened to Peter in this video.
@Oomuu
@Oomuu 5 жыл бұрын
Looking at it from an electrical engineer point of view, you could have a cheap 4 dollar ebay IR light (or a simple laser/receiver pair) shine on a receiver and position them right above your inner bowl, when the stuff foams above the bowls height it will interrupt the lights ability to shine on the receiver and have that communicate with a pressure switch (solenoid?) of some sort to let some pressure back in so you can just run it continuously without having to worry about it. You could make something like that with audrino for around 20-30 bucks and I dont see why it wouldn't work for everything including resin. The constant cycling of pressure>vacuum>Pressure>vacuum would work perfectly to remove all the air if done constantly by allowing the bubbles to collapse and pop instead of a constant vaccuum/foam mess, then follow it up with the pressure chamber thing should smooth it back out quickly before it drys....and should make your resin almost perfectly transparent.... or a strong pump paired with the smallest possible chamber with the pump and pressure timed in short intervals to keep repeating high>low>high>low pressure to pop and draw out the bubbles a least 3 times faster then in the video....and the short intervals will stop it from foaming over if timed correctly.......then the sudden pressure when then after, it is put in a pressure chamber...should make it even more clear than your clearest result in this video..
@nessagirl1911
@nessagirl1911 5 жыл бұрын
It would be awesome if the resin would set as the foam, or solid on the bottom and with foam on top. It would look like blue beer.
@peterbrownwastaken
@peterbrownwastaken 5 жыл бұрын
We were both hoping for that. I MIGHT have to try that in the future, but I sort of can already do that with the lava effect.
@rastas000
@rastas000 5 жыл бұрын
OR, add a little moisture to a polyurethane casting resin... Makes a great foamy top for a beer art piece.. Such are the things one learns from ones mistakes!! (I used a moisture sodden stirring stick to mix my resin)
@smash5967
@smash5967 5 жыл бұрын
I wonder if using a faster setting resin might allow for that.
@minecdiamondcrafters
@minecdiamondcrafters 5 жыл бұрын
You should try getting it all foamy and then turning off the pump to hold the foam where its at and the letting it cure
@SixKoi
@SixKoi 5 жыл бұрын
He's done that with the resin that boils when certain dyes are mixed with them, if I remember.
@johanneshalttu9047
@johanneshalttu9047 5 жыл бұрын
Dental technology student here! We use best of both worlds for gypsum and silicone, first vacum mixer for 30sec to 1min and after that we pour the cast on a vibrating table and put the cast in the pressure pot for curing :) Thanks for your awesome channel, i love it!
@SeraphimKnight
@SeraphimKnight 5 жыл бұрын
Under pressure... dun dun dun du-du- dundun...
@bunkertons
@bunkertons 5 жыл бұрын
👏👏👏
@peterbrownwastaken
@peterbrownwastaken 5 жыл бұрын
this makes me happy. You know I long I searched for a font where the R had that swoopy bit?
@TripleGatan
@TripleGatan 5 жыл бұрын
@@peterbrownwastaken worth it
@SeraphimKnight
@SeraphimKnight 5 жыл бұрын
@@peterbrownwastaken It worked, I only glanced at the thumbnail and had the song in my head.
@josuelservin2409
@josuelservin2409 5 жыл бұрын
@@peterbrownwastaken, We appreciate the effort.
@HarnealMedia
@HarnealMedia 5 жыл бұрын
That's a dramatic way to prove a point that resin casters have spoke of for years. Very good job Peter. It made for an interesting result
@peterbrownwastaken
@peterbrownwastaken 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@Karasuraven0395
@Karasuraven0395 5 жыл бұрын
I dont know why but seeing the resin foam up like that was kind of satisfying. I could honestly watch hours of just that lol
@Sorarse
@Sorarse 2 жыл бұрын
The problem with a vacuum is that the boiling point of any liquid falls with a drop in pressure. I don't know what the normal boiling point of the resin you were using is, but it's conceivable that it is at room temperature when you drop the pressure that much, and the resin was actually boiling, which is why you got so many bubbles. It's the same principle that creates cavitation behind a boat's propeller.
@RebeccaFyre
@RebeccaFyre 5 жыл бұрын
This is exactly how Games Workshop make their ForgeWorld models. Using silicone moulds and black resin, it gets degassed twice, 45 seconds each time then left to set for an hour before being removed, I did the job for 2 years :)
@nohowahay4179
@nohowahay4179 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Atomfire, how did they degas it?
@RebeccaFyre
@RebeccaFyre 5 жыл бұрын
@@nohowahay4179 with a large vacuum chamber, the size of a school dinner tray(ish). Suck the air out leave it for a min and degas, then do it again, degas then send it off to the other guys to take the parts out the moulds
@nohowahay4179
@nohowahay4179 5 жыл бұрын
@@RebeccaFyre Thanks for the quick reply. So they used a vacuum chamber instead of a preassure pot.
@RebeccaFyre
@RebeccaFyre 5 жыл бұрын
@@nohowahay4179 yeah just because the moulds are big, as you can imagine with some of the figures.
@nohowahay4179
@nohowahay4179 5 жыл бұрын
@UCdW-U0aqDxAknXcxnVMPY_g Thanks again. Just wanted to know. So if you do it right you can indeed manage to degas with a vaccum chamber and the test above is just somehow not done correctly.
@AaronTheBlackDragon
@AaronTheBlackDragon 5 жыл бұрын
I really would love to see if you could make a resin foam cast from your vacuum.
@ShineHatfield
@ShineHatfield 5 жыл бұрын
He can, he just needs to use a fast-cure resin. Edit: resin, not reason lol
@MusicFurler
@MusicFurler 5 жыл бұрын
AaronTheBlackDragon he's already found that he can make a foam looking resin. He calls it Lava.
@bushwoogie
@bushwoogie 5 жыл бұрын
@@MusicFurler that's a little more sponge looking I can see the value In a foam like casting that looks like the resin in the vacuum chamber.
@SparkieNeisti
@SparkieNeisti 5 жыл бұрын
I wanna see that resin foam set like that! Looks awesome.
@BitchyBoxxy
@BitchyBoxxy 5 жыл бұрын
Sparkie3222 I think a similar one is when he made it go into thermal runaway and it made a very bubbly cast. It was set in I think under 5 mins. I’ve worked with resin for epoxy floors that have gone wrong in very hot days. By the time you mixed it to walking down hallway it was boiling over and setting up.
@RK4000
@RK4000 5 жыл бұрын
It would resemble expanding foam used in insulation.
@AaaaNinja
@AaaaNinja 5 жыл бұрын
Go to The Kind of Random's channel he has a video.
@lucjhaina8372
@lucjhaina8372 5 жыл бұрын
A ninknnjjniooojojlnknjioojmiknnn
@yumek06
@yumek06 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for explaining the pressure pot method of curing resin! It makes so much sense now! I'd see other makers like Nick Zammeti use it and never understood why. Also, I always love seeing makers add new tools to their arsenal and experimenting with them. I love watching your videos and can't wait to see your new creations!
@timberdish
@timberdish 5 жыл бұрын
Very interesting and somewhat ridiculously well timed - I was just starting to look into getting one or the other for resin turning projects. So thank you very much :)
@TupmaniaTurning
@TupmaniaTurning 4 жыл бұрын
Matt Jones - Me too! Now we know!
@stephss
@stephss 5 жыл бұрын
Art resin is by far the most bubbly resin I've used... so good choice on resin for the demo. #artresin
@f4z0
@f4z0 5 жыл бұрын
After seeing that clear casting in the pressure chamber i wonder of you could make one of those crystal skulls from indiana jones they should look amazing
@doveoo5
@doveoo5 5 жыл бұрын
Just this week I was looking at the Crystal Skull vodka bottle on my shelf and thinking about a silicone mold....
@f4z0
@f4z0 5 жыл бұрын
doveoo5 if you try it post the results, my inner child would geek the hell out of anything related to indy
@JimsonMakes
@JimsonMakes 5 жыл бұрын
I cast a clear skull on my channel.
@charlesbonkley
@charlesbonkley 3 жыл бұрын
Cast a full-size replica of the lead-lined fridge to commemorate such an awful scene.
@sum1liteamatch
@sum1liteamatch 5 жыл бұрын
Another off the wall, over the top, and educational video as usual. I always look forward to your videos.
@belac48621
@belac48621 5 жыл бұрын
I was just thinking today when your next video was going to be put up. And here it is!
@andrewhausman393
@andrewhausman393 5 жыл бұрын
Same, I had that thought 30 mins prior to this upload. I'm putting the Alexa in the cupboard for a while.
@doveoo5
@doveoo5 5 жыл бұрын
@@andrewhausman393 Positive thoughts, dear. Positive thoughts. Thank you. ( made my day, ty)
@DaveDodd
@DaveDodd 5 жыл бұрын
Gotta say...I'm subscribed to a lot of channels...but i get the most excited when i see a new Peter Brown vid :P
@kbosell3812
@kbosell3812 5 жыл бұрын
Me too
@This1unbox
@This1unbox 5 жыл бұрын
Yaaaas!
@Waterflame
@Waterflame 5 жыл бұрын
I've been watching a lot of videos by Nick Zammeti lately, so I was hoping you'd also get into the pressure pot game! Can't wait to see what awesome creations you make now!!
@SauceySiren
@SauceySiren 5 жыл бұрын
Waterflame I was thinking the same thing. He’s been in the pressure pot game for awhile lol
@RangaBonsai
@RangaBonsai 5 жыл бұрын
Amazing! Love watching and learning about new maker strategies I’ve never heard of before
@rastas000
@rastas000 5 жыл бұрын
Depending on the thing I am casting I have used the vacuum pot to degas the silicone and then cured under pressure to reduce deformation if I am casting a clear part (lens covers) that I want to have crystal clear by curing under pressure... An understanding of Boyle’s Law helped me work out what was happening.. Loved the demo..
@JLK89
@JLK89 5 жыл бұрын
Vacuum is below the alcohol dye's vapour pressure. Don't add it if you want to use vacuum.
@LoganDark4357
@LoganDark4357 5 жыл бұрын
vapor
@JLK89
@JLK89 5 жыл бұрын
@@LoganDark4357 only in the US
@LoganDark4357
@LoganDark4357 5 жыл бұрын
which makes up the majority of the English language
@himynameishelen
@himynameishelen 5 жыл бұрын
@@LoganDark4357 But it's literally called "English" so maybe respect that English people spell things differently to you and don't be rude.
@JGnLAU8OAWF6
@JGnLAU8OAWF6 5 жыл бұрын
@@LoganDark4357 are you sure? More than a billion people in the world speak english...
@MikeWaldt
@MikeWaldt 5 жыл бұрын
Great video Peter ... I don't "do" resin, but still watched every foamy second. Take care Mike
@sinphony9835
@sinphony9835 5 жыл бұрын
Peter's videos are the highlight of my week. They just make me happy.
@MohamedAhmed-zi1ru
@MohamedAhmed-zi1ru 5 жыл бұрын
I can't believe that the king of epoxy didn't have a pressure pot for all of these years .. while everyone else was using it u were just talently bublle-freeing ur cast with a blow torch .. now that u got one i will still call u the king of epoxy and i know how hard it is to bubble-free complicated casts hope we all have fun with it
@markrobison5199
@markrobison5199 5 жыл бұрын
Obligatory "you should turn that pressure pot resin on the lathe" comment
@Scott_C
@Scott_C 5 жыл бұрын
Second!
@twilightsparkle75
@twilightsparkle75 3 жыл бұрын
what an awesome eevee avatar
@seriouslyintolife
@seriouslyintolife 5 жыл бұрын
Peter could you try a small amount of fast setting resin in the vacuum chamber and see if you can get it to set as foam?
@rallekralle11
@rallekralle11 5 жыл бұрын
i wonder if it'd implode when the vaccuum is removed
@fishsticks2965
@fishsticks2965 5 жыл бұрын
@@rallekralle11 it would not ^^
@Fitz1993
@Fitz1993 5 жыл бұрын
Would it even set in the chamber? What with the constant movement and lack of oxygen? I might be comparing resin to concrete a little to much here...
@noname_atall
@noname_atall 5 жыл бұрын
@@Fitz1993 resins, generally, don't react with oxygen to solidify, they either react with themselves thanks to a catalyst or one part reacts with the other. so at to the constant movement, it will slow down as the resin get thicker. things like gelatin don't set while moving because they rely on reversible interaction between molecules, resins rely on permanent and not normally reversible chemical reactions.
@Fitz1993
@Fitz1993 5 жыл бұрын
Oh wow, thanks for that response, thats pretty fucking sick. So what will happen / potentially happen to the cavities left if you were to set resin in a vacume chamber? I guess nothing if the cavities are sealed in resin?
@crashandburn22501
@crashandburn22501 5 жыл бұрын
Wishing you the best for the future with the pressure pot. Can't wait to see what you come up with.
@CFGossettAbbasHealingArts
@CFGossettAbbasHealingArts 5 жыл бұрын
Peter, You have some of the coolest videos I have ever seen. I've also learned stuff from your videos. Keep on keeping on. You and Nick Zametti are my favorites on KZbin.
@Thingsthatgopew22
@Thingsthatgopew22 5 жыл бұрын
It is NOT air going off in the vacuum, it is some of the solvent boiling off. And not a single youtuber understands this. Amazing.
@MrEfarmer
@MrEfarmer 5 жыл бұрын
Agree!
@TwoScoopsOfTubert
@TwoScoopsOfTubert 5 жыл бұрын
Interesting - are there actually volatile solvents in the components? Would those not spontaneously form bubbles even in a regular atmospheric cast?
@RobertSzasz
@RobertSzasz 5 жыл бұрын
@@TwoScoopsOfTubert it depends on the resin, material being cast or used as reinforcement, and any additives Degassing resins with vacuum and then pressure casting is pretty common and really effective
@MakeThings
@MakeThings 5 жыл бұрын
WGwireless that’s really besides the point. If we were working with resin and non stabilized wood you would have problems with air bubbles from the wood. Pressure casting is the only method that makes sense unless you find a different method that doesn’t create the solvent bleed off and you’re using wood (or any other material) that had absolutely no air in it.
@peterbrownwastaken
@peterbrownwastaken 5 жыл бұрын
OK. I now alone understand it. I'M A VESSEL FOR YOUR WISDOM.
@TheRyanjMain
@TheRyanjMain 5 жыл бұрын
pressure pots remind me of the movie flubber
@Guru_1092
@Guru_1092 5 жыл бұрын
They remind me of a marathon that occurred on the East coast. Oh... wait.
@MsCherade9
@MsCherade9 5 жыл бұрын
@@Guru_1092 Can we not?
@Guru_1092
@Guru_1092 5 жыл бұрын
@@MsCherade9 :D
@TheRuko15
@TheRuko15 4 жыл бұрын
I'm so glad you did this video! I've been wondering for so long why people use pressure pots to "remove" bubbles, instead of using of a vacuum chamber.
@phantom715
@phantom715 5 жыл бұрын
You are the highlight of my KZbin playlist. Keep it up!
@csis8460
@csis8460 5 жыл бұрын
What you gotta do is let the resin foam up, then you break the bubbles (let air in) and re do until it's only pulling air out without foaming up
@MyBallzGotShocked
@MyBallzGotShocked Жыл бұрын
I would just reduce the pressure in the vacuum slowly. Instead of allowing air into the vacuum to raise the pressure, use a needle valve on the pump side to reduce the flow out.
@MysticalRhythms
@MysticalRhythms 5 жыл бұрын
I think the alcohol dye was just boiling off in the vacuum chamber. I'd like to see this again without the dye.
@markf.4063
@markf.4063 5 жыл бұрын
It would be the same. When you put any liquid in a vacuum you lower it's boiling point and it turns to vapor. Those bubbles you see in the resin are just that, vapor.
@StoneAndersonStudio
@StoneAndersonStudio 5 жыл бұрын
But the alcohol is boiling off, which may have a difference in the amount of off gassing that occurs as opposed to just the resin. I agree with MysticalRhythms- it would be super interesting to see one in the vacuum chamber without the alcohol dye.
@1972Russianwolf
@1972Russianwolf 5 жыл бұрын
@@StoneAndersonStudio Epoxy resin will boil at room temp when under vac. Art Resin is an epoxy.
@KristenK78
@KristenK78 5 жыл бұрын
Also, I’d want him to take more normal care to not stir air into it before putting it into the vacuum chamber. The extra bubbles proved the capability of the pressure chamber to correct for that, but it seems unfair to compare it directly with the vacuum under less than ideal circumstances.
@sammartin2725
@sammartin2725 5 жыл бұрын
With out the dye you get the same results made a mess of my vac chamber I did not have a clear top but part of the side was clear and it filled full of foam verry quickly with nothing but ENVIROTEX LIGHT ,.
@themajesticwierdo2193
@themajesticwierdo2193 5 жыл бұрын
This was so neat to watch! I'm glad you showed us how both acted. Love it!
@mancraft18
@mancraft18 5 жыл бұрын
I'm just glad you're back to making videos on the regular I missed you. You and a few others are the very inspiration for the channel I'm trying to create now thanks Peter... Everyone should have a little pet... A little brown... You in they're life
@davidgreen5099
@davidgreen5099 5 жыл бұрын
When i debubble in vacuum, i wait til the resin almost crests, relase vacuum, let bubbles pop, and repeat. Over and over until it stops rising.
@stefanl5183
@stefanl5183 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, I think you're very much correct here and this would be the technique that would be preferred and not the way it's done in this video. With vacuum, you wouldn't absolutely need to maintain the vacuum constantly until the resin hardens the way you do with pressure. That's because with vacuum, you are sucking the air out. Once you successfully get the bubble to the surface and they pop, you'd be done. Therefore cycling it on and off would make more sense. The cycling might also help move the bubbles to the surface because of the agitation it would also produce.
@LadyTea
@LadyTea 4 жыл бұрын
@@stefanl5183 Wouldnt you want to degas, aka boil out the air of each of the base and the hardener separately? Then mix them together and then degas one last time. then poor.
@flyingwoodshop1545
@flyingwoodshop1545 4 жыл бұрын
@@LadyTea I THINK (not sure) most of the air is introduced during the mixing process. At least that's how it looks when I do it. But I'm using the resin as a filler for knots and splits, not for casting. This video was interesting to me, but the pressure method really only works for casting. If you want to degas the resin and then pour or spread it onto the wood, the vacuum method is the only one that will actually work. Good thing that I only have a vacuum chamber and not a pressure pot!
@TheTacticalPainter
@TheTacticalPainter 5 жыл бұрын
By chance could some of the foam been caused by the alcohol boiling while in the lower pressure? Just like boiling water at room temperature in a vacuum chamber?
@jamesgrimwood1285
@jamesgrimwood1285 5 жыл бұрын
I was also wondering if the bubbles were partly caused by things in the resin boiling, rather than air being pulled out.
@TheTacticalPainter
@TheTacticalPainter 5 жыл бұрын
@@jamesgrimwood1285 I think you said it right, "partly," the resin will bubble like this anyway, but I think it was this violent because of the alcohol.
@markf.4063
@markf.4063 5 жыл бұрын
Not just the alcohol. ANY liquid in a vacuum will boil off.
@MGMakes
@MGMakes 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Peter, I was looking to up my resin game and was indecisive about what to purchase, thanks for pointing me in the right direction. 👊👊👊
@CrimsonWabbit
@CrimsonWabbit 5 жыл бұрын
I love watching your videos. I've clocked away from something else so many times. Lol Always entertaining and informative. I'm excited to see the projects your able to make now!
@acroque
@acroque 5 жыл бұрын
I was waiting for the polish part :(
@peterbrownwastaken
@peterbrownwastaken 5 жыл бұрын
next video! :)
@kbosell3812
@kbosell3812 5 жыл бұрын
Woohoo!!!
@Shardok42
@Shardok42 5 жыл бұрын
@@peterbrownwastaken Do I sense a translucent blue bracelet in the future?
@GMM5Art
@GMM5Art 4 жыл бұрын
No need to polish, that thing came out crystal clear.
@heavystalin2419
@heavystalin2419 4 жыл бұрын
For all i know, it got split in 2
@almagill
@almagill 5 жыл бұрын
OK, so, quick back of a beermat calculation.... pressure increases by about one atmosphere (15psi) with every 10m deep you go under water.. 50 psi would be what, about 35m down? Maybe 40 ish? Right, whose got an atmospheric diving suit we can put Peter in and is there a resin that'd set under water... Y'know, for science and stuff...
@karol30660
@karol30660 5 жыл бұрын
You can easily do 40m in a wetsuit or drysuit and you won't feel a thing
@echoedinnocence
@echoedinnocence 5 жыл бұрын
FOR SCIENCE!!!! 🧐👩‍💻👩‍🔬🕵️
@Shardok42
@Shardok42 5 жыл бұрын
Or... we put the resin in the pressure pot before sending Peter down into the water with diving gear and then he pressurizes it while underwater!
@SBVCP
@SBVCP 5 жыл бұрын
@@karol30660 i ventured into the 4 meters...once.
@SBVCP
@SBVCP 5 жыл бұрын
wouldnt the pressure be held OUTSIDE the container, or you are suggesting water-pressure? or some kind of flexible thing? i wonder if a plastic bag would work... Can you imagine? "pressure casting resin with a ziploc bag under the sea"
@BettyOs
@BettyOs 5 жыл бұрын
Very excited for your next project!
@mikejohnson219
@mikejohnson219 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome awesome awesome video!! I just learned about this technique and didn’t understand the differences until seeing this. Learned A LOT!! Thank you so much for making this video!
@JPKenneys
@JPKenneys 5 жыл бұрын
I feel like every time I've seen someone use a vacuum with resin they've had to cycle the vacuum to avoid the boil over
@VideoGameCathedral
@VideoGameCathedral 5 жыл бұрын
Asking for for years? He's finally making a cereal bowl out of cereal!
@robinsonvargas1467
@robinsonvargas1467 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you I have ask many woodworkers about the difference between the two and you just gave me the answer plus an excellent demonstration.
@markinstlouis
@markinstlouis 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing this. I've been considering getting into casting, and I needed this question answered. NOW I get it!
@reeepingk
@reeepingk 5 жыл бұрын
I think what you want to do with the vacuum chamber is let the air back in FAST when it almost overflows. Then it'll actually pop the bubbles. (At least that's what I understand from watching the king of random.)
@cameronpolite8514
@cameronpolite8514 5 жыл бұрын
Kyle R no it’s just they don’t think about it bubbling up. The vacuum will pull it out if it’s left.
@RobertSzasz
@RobertSzasz 5 жыл бұрын
Cycling the vacuum can pop bubbles, You want to pull the vacuum, then release it while the resin is still liquid.
@MakeThings
@MakeThings 5 жыл бұрын
This is all well and good but this is argument you make is an argument that focuses solely on casting a pool of resin. Add wood that has not been stabilized and you have to deal with the bubbles from the wood too.
@markf.4063
@markf.4063 5 жыл бұрын
Also of note, not all vacuum pumps are the same. I have no clue as to which he uses but it would be interesting to see how a better pump fairs in this regard. Perhaps a 2 stage pump would pull faster in this material.
@nifty1a
@nifty1a 5 жыл бұрын
That's what I had to do when I worked potting sensor electronics for aerospace sensors, vacuum each component before mixing, mix and degass again the pour into mould and degass again. Degassing is done by vacuuming until foam nearly crests container, then rapidly bring up to atmosphere, then repeat until no foaming occurs. Did it for about 2 years... For actual space use, they use vacuum degassing, and then cure under pressure as well. you don't want air trapped in cured resin in a hard vacuum as it will explode and crack....
@Typersx1
@Typersx1 5 жыл бұрын
Wonder if mrs. brown thinks you cray cray. 🤔🤔🤔
@peterbrownwastaken
@peterbrownwastaken 5 жыл бұрын
undoubtedly
@daisyrushton1574
@daisyrushton1574 5 жыл бұрын
To be fair she’s pretty cray cray too, she handles a blowtorch like blam
@Telemachus2814
@Telemachus2814 5 жыл бұрын
Mrs. Brown likes to burn the things Peter creates... or anything really. Check out their "Burn it" series. I'm sure she thinks he's crazy, but she probably also likes it. His crazy probably works with her crazy.
@MsCherade9
@MsCherade9 5 жыл бұрын
@@peterbrownwastaken I'm sure that's why she loves you, we all secretly love a batshit lunatic from time to time. In moderation...
@ristube3319
@ristube3319 5 жыл бұрын
Typersx1 She doesn’t complain at all anymore, FYI, don’t go digging around in his backyard.
@krystalboudreaux9405
@krystalboudreaux9405 Жыл бұрын
Thank you!!!! I've been searching all morning for a definite answer and a video that explains it clearly. This helped alot.
@kittycobbs3501
@kittycobbs3501 5 жыл бұрын
Yes! Super excited for this after a very anxiety filled day today
@nexus01gr
@nexus01gr 5 жыл бұрын
No control piece?
@peterbrownwastaken
@peterbrownwastaken 5 жыл бұрын
I suppose my whole channel is a control piece. Even at my best, I still normally get one or two bubbles in a casting.
@MohamedAhmed-zi1ru
@MohamedAhmed-zi1ru 5 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂 What an answer
@cosmicrdt
@cosmicrdt 5 жыл бұрын
Black beard projects did a video on this exact same topic yesterday
@peterbrownwastaken
@peterbrownwastaken 5 жыл бұрын
who? That's hilarious... :)
@coldstub
@coldstub 5 жыл бұрын
I've been wondering for ages what the difference between a pressure pot and a vacuum chamber were in terms of resin quality, thank you so much for this video it was incredibly helpful to me.
@KelseeBeth
@KelseeBeth 5 жыл бұрын
I knew what was going to happen, and I enjoyed watching it immensely!!!
@seigeengine
@seigeengine 5 жыл бұрын
Would the alcohol dye be vaporized in a vacuum?
@hanelyp1
@hanelyp1 5 жыл бұрын
Or some other solvent in the liquid resin? Would chilling the resin before mixing make a difference?
@markf.4063
@markf.4063 5 жыл бұрын
@@hanelyp1 The alcohol would be vaporized and the pigments left behind but that would happen at atmospheric pressures as well.
@kst357
@kst357 4 жыл бұрын
There's no way the resin had that much air in it. I think that the vacuum's negative pressure was vaporizing the chemicals/solvents in the catalyst. Maybe using less vacuum would draw the air bubbles out without causing vaporization of the casting resin. I'd try slowly raising the vacuum until the resin starts to vaporize, note the PSIV, & then set your vacuum below that level. I've seen epoxy resins that didn't foam at all under vacuum. Maybe the foaming has to do with the type of chemicals used in the resin, meaning that some resins will work under vacuum & others won't.
@susantipsyhealy7655
@susantipsyhealy7655 4 жыл бұрын
i agree, cactus juice will boil over , feathering the vacuum will control that unitl it is pulling the gasses etc out without foaming over. granted, it takes time but get good results.
@dougalexander7204
@dougalexander7204 5 жыл бұрын
Peter, good to know. Thank you for your comparison and sharing it with us.
@Calciyum88
@Calciyum88 5 жыл бұрын
That's a really cool experiment! I liked the comparison, helped a lot to understand what's behind the methods. Thank you for this informative video!
@davespeedee
@davespeedee 5 жыл бұрын
4 hours rock hard? o_O
@peterbrownwastaken
@peterbrownwastaken 5 жыл бұрын
*giggle*
@LittleTas12
@LittleTas12 5 жыл бұрын
@@peterbrownwastaken Contact your doctor if your resin stays hard after only four hours.
@almagill
@almagill 5 жыл бұрын
Oh. My!
@regstarr3430
@regstarr3430 5 жыл бұрын
Agreed, you are not pulling out the air, you are actually “boiling” the liquid as a result of the low pressure.
@jadayoung329
@jadayoung329 4 жыл бұрын
Well you have answered a lot of my questions. Thank you. Great job.
@Bleucheez42
@Bleucheez42 5 жыл бұрын
I was just looking into both of these. Your video came through in the nick of time. Thank you very much! 👍 👍
@RamosLuis2550
@RamosLuis2550 5 жыл бұрын
the pressure pot is best for resin impregnating wood or other porous materials
@eurobum2012
@eurobum2012 5 жыл бұрын
That's not air. That's substances in the resin boiling off.
@yl7108
@yl7108 5 жыл бұрын
I agree. He is getting rid of some volatile ingradient, which is not good.
@SilvaDreams
@SilvaDreams 4 жыл бұрын
@@yl7108 Actually it's just speeding up the process of it releasing the volatiles due to the lowered boiling point. The process works perfectly fine but you have to user slow curing resins and you just do short cycles as not to cause it to violently bubble.
@Doazic
@Doazic 4 жыл бұрын
SilvaDreams If those chemicals weren’t needed in the resin, the manufacturer wouldn’t have added them in. You’re clearly not meant to boil them off.
@davidgagnon1961
@davidgagnon1961 5 жыл бұрын
this answered so many questions I have had about which to get for casting.. I have watched A LOT of videoes and none really explained the purpose of each. Thanks.
@StormWaltz73
@StormWaltz73 4 жыл бұрын
Great video and very useful information here! Answered the questions I had about pressure vs. vacuum for resin casting perfectly - thank you!
@davidernesto6258
@davidernesto6258 5 жыл бұрын
First, yes. Harbor freight is good.
@davidernesto6258
@davidernesto6258 5 жыл бұрын
Literally the view count says one
@davidernesto6258
@davidernesto6258 5 жыл бұрын
No one cares I know but I was amazingly bemused
@peterbrownwastaken
@peterbrownwastaken 5 жыл бұрын
I've got a Harbor Freight benchtop grinder that I've been using for 10 years as my lathe sharpening setup. Love it. I've also bought loads of junk that I've just pitched out. You just never know. This pot is decent for the price and can be quite useful for getting into casting with a pressure pot.
@davidernesto6258
@davidernesto6258 5 жыл бұрын
@@peterbrownwastaken we largely use harbor freight for workshop consumables. Sand paper, shop towels, vinyl gloves, etc. Not so much for foundational shop tools. I think we have a router and table we got from there as well as some palm sanders some drill bits. If you need a one off tool it's good to check there
@lluukkee110011
@lluukkee110011 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome video, love when you work with resin. Very cool to watch and learn.
@bearthompson6506
@bearthompson6506 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent vid! I’ve done some small mold making and casting as a hobby and knew about degassing latex, urethane and silicone, but wondered why people pressurized resin. Now I know . Thanks!
@SterlingsWoodcrafts
@SterlingsWoodcrafts 4 жыл бұрын
great video Peter, thanks for sharing that, Awesome info
@timhalcomb4041
@timhalcomb4041 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for taking the time to share with us
@DeadlyRounds
@DeadlyRounds 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome looking forward to your next vid! Keep making awesome stuff!
@captainjerk
@captainjerk 5 жыл бұрын
SWEET! Both methods got excellent results! With a tweak or two, the time tested traditional vacuum method will be as valid as it ever was. I think both methods have validity and purpose. And now, you have the capability of both! :D Awesome! Thanx Pete!
@ZacHiggins
@ZacHiggins 5 жыл бұрын
Great video Peter!! Thanks for the shout out and link to my channel, I appreciate it =D I got the same results when I tried it too, foamy mess LOL One cool trick is to use a fast setting resin under vacuum and create a resin sponge looking blank, almost like your resin lava bowls
@lamador114
@lamador114 5 жыл бұрын
I love your videos!!! My husband showed me your channel and I really love when you do vids with your wife like that thrift store upcycle vid!! Shes so cute!!
@draygoes
@draygoes 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for taking the time to explain this to us.
@CedaxV
@CedaxV 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Peter. You answered a question that I was about to find out on my own.
@sudhirpatil2870
@sudhirpatil2870 4 жыл бұрын
Wow! I never thought of using pressure pot- until i saw your video! Thx
@choke666
@choke666 4 жыл бұрын
Did definitely answer my question. A MILLION THANKS!!!
@dudegpo1YT
@dudegpo1YT 5 жыл бұрын
This was soo cool Peter.
@ValTek_Armory
@ValTek_Armory 5 жыл бұрын
I love that blue! It's so pretty
@charlesreicks648
@charlesreicks648 5 жыл бұрын
Nice demo Peter LOL enjoyed it.
@casgardunrow
@casgardunrow 5 жыл бұрын
I saw u had a new vid up, I clicked so fast. I love ur videos. Great work.
@jeffs.6488
@jeffs.6488 5 жыл бұрын
I have found one way to prevent the over abundance of bubbles when vacing resin, it is to mix part A of the resin with the color you want, vac the bubbles out and then mix in part B to the already tinted/colored part A and vac once again. You won't get the bubbling over like you did with the way you did it in the video. This I have learnt from trial and error, casting this way greatly reduces the likelihood of bubbles, however when you pour resin on to or into wood it is better to pressure pot it. Also as a side note, not all resin colorants are alcohol based, these non-alcohol based tints greatly reduce the bubbling over due to boiling off of the alcohol in the alcohol based tints in a vacuum.
@bigfootandbananaman4746
@bigfootandbananaman4746 5 жыл бұрын
I didn't think the pressure pot would work that well. I can't wait for the next video
@treppas
@treppas 5 жыл бұрын
You're a Resin hero!
@bazzarr
@bazzarr 5 жыл бұрын
VERY informative and a time saver. Thanks for making this video!
@lostinseale
@lostinseale 5 жыл бұрын
I just found your channel and I must say I have been enjoying it. I see you are going to cost me a lot of money in the future. Keep up the great work.
@Atlaswolfie
@Atlaswolfie 5 жыл бұрын
With the pressure pot, and using the art resin with the baja blue, it'd be really cool to see an aquarium type project! Really awesome stuff! Thanks for sharing!!
@bradleypackard8828
@bradleypackard8828 5 жыл бұрын
I don’t comment often. Have to say my fiancé and I LOVE to watch you and you have a great sense of humor!! I recently started wood turning. I noticed you don’t have any STICKERS for sale on ur website. Have a fantastic day!
@almostdeadagain
@almostdeadagain 5 жыл бұрын
Hey Peter! Recently heard about making clear wood, sounds right up your alley.
@RissaNaChelle
@RissaNaChelle 5 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU. I have been curious about this for years.
@drstrangefart
@drstrangefart 5 жыл бұрын
This was insanely helpful. I was looking at a large vacuum chamber for casting in molds. That's off the table as a casting aid.
@rikkansi
@rikkansi 5 жыл бұрын
Really cool demonstration.
@AlBarathur
@AlBarathur 5 жыл бұрын
You can use both, if the resin gives you time, you put on vacuum chamber to take out the worst of it as you manage to have it not to overflow with foam, and then after these minutes of vacuum shock, you put it in the pressure chamber. BTW on the vacuum chamber, you don't need full vacuum, the goal is just to make the small bubbles to grow large enough that the equivalent weight of resin will dislodge them and make them defeat the resin viscosity and float to the top. Great vid, love it.
@markbeiser
@markbeiser 5 жыл бұрын
Use both! After mixing the resin, degas it with the vacuum chamber. It happens fairly quickly, the foaming you were getting after the first minute or so were components of the resin boiling off. Then pour the resin in the mold and put it in the pressure pot. You can also vacuum degas it after pouring the resin in the mold to help get air trapped in the wood out before going to pressure. I do resin casting of miniatures for tabletop war games, so have to get air out of and resin into some intricate fine detailed molds. I have the same HF pressure pot and found that the top for my vacuum chamber also fits on the pressure pot, and seals fine, so I started doing my vacuum degassing and pressure casting in one pot.
@robinprachar
@robinprachar 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I wasn't sure which I needed and this cleared it up for me 100%!
@arta2870
@arta2870 5 жыл бұрын
good info. ended up being messy. I was skeptical about harbor freight pressure tank but now I see it works. thanks. gonna by one
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