RESOLVE: Open vs Solo (Elite Dangerous)

[@kylem3284]

"As long as you don't do anything stupid..." *Attacks a private security Type-9 in a Sidewinder*

[@ThePereubu1710]

I play solo because it's a video game, I play it in my spare time after work and just enjoy watching all the nice pictures on screen. However, I am glad Frontier included the various play modes to make the game more inclusive for everyone.

[@markhackett2302]

Problem is, the Open crowd that talk are mostly those who want to force everyone into Open. Reciprocity isn't wanted for some, and those are pushed to scream loudly, while the majority of Open players who are fine with reciprocal acceptance are not.

[@dr-ko3009]

Solo mode should not connect to multi

[@Sparrowthebird]

@@dr-ko3009 Agreed, it's all I ask for

[@mllhild]

Well Im in a session with a bunch of friends and we manage to die to npcs anyway.

[@ludio36]

Live and let live. If you want to play in Solo, that is the right decision. If you want to play in Open, that is the right decision. If you want to play in both, that is the right decision.

[@zarodgaming1844]

or join the empire and get interdicted anyway :3 sigh

[@ChizzAir]

This is the way.

[@ChizzAir]

​@uglyguyfe That's an interaction i'd quite like to be a part of (either as the pirate or the target). However, the game is designed in a way that such a scenario is even less likely than simply being blown up for no reason. A player can log out before you've even finished typing your demands, which just leaves you having had a negative experience. Enough of those and you'll become just another ganker as so many wannabe pirates have in the past. Reworking Crime & Punishment, as well as the laughably short combat logging cooldown time would be a step in the right direction (discouraging seal clubbing and/or ganking innocent pilots in high/mid security space). That's only half the solution though... As things stand, there's little incentive to play Open if you're not into PvP. Most open enthusiasts appear to want more players to interact with in ways that are only positive for them (Outside of RP potential, being pirated is a negative interaction for the victim for example). There needs to be more incentive for the PvE crowd to play open, such as having the BGS and Community goals tied to open play as well as much better tools in-game for communities to develop and group activities to take place, such as bulletin boards in player owned star ports where community events can be planned or services offered

[@ludio36]

@uglyguyfe. Escaping piracy is one of the reasons that some players play in Solo. I agree that there should be changes to the game that make Open a more appealing mode for those players, and those changes could come in the forms of higher security and stronger police, as you suggest, but my preference would be for giving the victims of interdicting pirates a better chance against them. Currently, the victims' best chance against players who interdict and attack them is to flee, which is not what I want to do. I want to fight back but death is inevitable because the outcome is too weighted in favour of the pirate. Pirates should have the opening advantage, of course, but victims should have a fighting chance (perhaps even in unengineered ships). They haven't, though, so they play in Solo because there's no point to them in playing in a mode that makes their death the inevitable outcome of one of the game's activities. If changes were made that allowed interdicted players a fighting chance against pirates, I feel that more players who play Solo to avoid that inevitable death would play in Open.

[@saturnascendz]

Solo bgs shouldn't effect Open bgs. This is NOT the way.

[@JackManiacky]

Ctrl B. The open early warning system. If you see the bandwidth spike you are not alone. If you've got valuables onboard consider an escape plan.

[@gnadlaftehgary4257]

yeah it's called exit to menu and go into solo mode lmaokek.

[@MrPablosek]

I started recently and went straight away to open. Immersion is amazing. Loving the game. Decided to get a vr headset just to immerse myself even more.

[@markhackett2302]

Immersion is identical in Solo. At least the chatter is spellchecked.

[@commanderclueless5456]

@@markhackett2302 except the NPC pirates can't Interdict a asteroid..🤣🤣

[@markhackett2302]

@@commanderclueless5456 Your point? Do you go interdicting asteroids when you play pirate? Is that what you're saying? Or are you saying that the point is that the point of Open is to be interdicted by pirates while you are doing something else? If so, please feel free to play that trader. But you don't, do you, clueless. You want to play the pirate. I don't see what bonus I get out of it.

[@commanderclueless5456]

@@markhackett2302 No I just enjoy a challenge... and the game does not provide that in Solo for me. Plus I was making a joke about how bad the Pirate AI is not "making a point". Stay Calm and drink a cup of Tea.

[@commanderclueless5456]

Glad you enjoying the game how you want to...these arguments were the same back when eve online came out. Carebears vs lowsec vs nullsec...all bollocks. Just play and enjoy!

[@reidwallace4258]

I love open, and I don't know if I've ever used solo (private groups sometimes sure) but I am SUPER glad it is there. One of the hardest things about trying to get a friend into this game is the learning curve like a brick wall, being able to tell them they can straight up ignore the danger of PVP combat until they are ready for it is the only reason several buddies are now commanders. It is actually one of the major advantages gained over space MMOs like eve, if ED had its economy entirely based off players and shit, if you could own space and patrol your boarders, there would be some real legit objections to people being able to nope out of pvp and still be a part of the same universe sim. Thankfully, ED didn't make that choice, because lets face it, the 'git good' mindset has never (and will never) build an MMO population.

[@christianbabbitt7376]

I used to play in open. Didn't run into any trouble until I was doing missions to get my Empire rank up for a Cutter so I can get a crap load of more money from Painite mining when that was a thing. Well, I chose to be in my Cobra Mk 3 because it was my first ship purchase and they were small stations. I haven't been in my cobra for a while and all I had at the time was this and my combat anaconda. Well I just did missions and just kept going back a forth to the two stations. Well out of nowhere I get interdicted. I thought it was an Pirate NPC at first but then I noticed there was nothing in the chat. Well it was a player in an engineered ship (I think it was a ferdelance) and just started attacking immediately. I had nothing he wanted so I was confused as hell why he was attacking me. I tried to escape but his damage was too much and he killed me. I didn't really care that much because the rebuy costed nothing but I was annoyed. What if this happened in my more expensive ships and I lose them and have to spend 25 mil credits to rebuy them? I didn't want to run into a ganker again so I decided to just play in solo. Thats what I've been doing. Just got into Thargoid hunting and been having fun without player interactions. For mining of course I got the cutter and mined for a while until the nerf and I gave up on mining and went for combat because it pays more now. Once I get my anaconda fully engineered, I will go into open and hunt down gankers because they are the worst of the worst in this game.

[@arakwar]

Once I have bigger ships I want to get into Thargoid hunting with friends. How is it when flying solo ? I only saw people doing it in groups...

[@trajan_x0128]

@@arakwar join axi discord.

[@trajan_x0128]

“Once I get my anaconda fully engineered, I will go into open and hunt down the gankers” Yeah good luck with that bud. Enjoy the rebuys

[@christianbabbitt7376]

@@trajan_x0128 what makes you think that I will get rekt when I have a FULLY engineered anaconda? Who knows? Maybe I can wreck them.

[@kybalion5205]

I wouldnt go hunting in an anaconda. Your pain will be tenfold. Try a krait

[@msteele999]

I play in Private with Mobius - me and 20,000 other CMDR's without the a$$holery :-)

[@OmegaPaladin144]

Take the Third Option! Mobius and its discord channel have been a big help for me

[@its_deer]

oooh, imma check this out

[@xderechox]

PC or console? Or Both?

[@trajan_x0128]

It is the best place for Elite’s fragile commanders

[@emdee0014]

Waiting for my invite now. I play open too but the "a$$holery" you refer to can be irritating at times.

[@brysonladd422]

I stopped playing in open world after I got killed three times in an engineering system. I literally couldnt enter the system with out being interdicted and killed in 30 seconds.

[@coocato]

skill issue

[@TakaChan569]

@@coocato Has nothing to do with skill, seeing as a fully eng fdl that you see can easily kill most.

[@coocato]

@@TakaChan569 it is tho, even against a FDL an unengineered cobra can evade a gank, it’s extremely easy

[@brandonr.2807]

Solo for me! I am just out exploring anyway, so I would never see anyone anyway, but atleast I dont have to worry about trolls when i get home =)

[@johnm3907]

Yeah search for beagle point gank on youtube. You will realise that was a good choice

[@brandonr.2807]

@@johnm3907 exactly.

[@Spartan086]

Playing in Open can pay off even when exploring. I met somebody 3 jumps out of Beagle Point and now they're a friend of mine. Couldn't believe my eyes, but it happened

[@markhackett2302]

@@Spartan086 It probably won't, and it can ruin your entire months' worth of play.

[@sn1p4m4n]

Uhm I beg to differ about the only true dangers. I just smashed my trader Anaconda into a planet with 4G when trying to dock a settlement. 26 Mil gone thanks ground

[@its_deer]

fucking ground am I right

[@Kapanol97]

Ooof

[@LordofSyn]

Ummm. That's not how you pod race! Sheesh. Amateurs. 😏

[@amadeusasimov1364]

Ah, the age old debate. Just a personal preference, but I exclusively play in open. I prefer the dangerous freedom and uncontrollable possibilities, that even if I have to deal with the chaos of humanity, I also have the chance to experience the good interactions as well. My only issues with the modes is that I feel like the BGS shouldn't be affected by each other; Open BGS affected by open players, solo/private group BGS affected by solo/group.

[@markhackett2302]

Nah, Open is for PvP, we keep being told (hence if we go into Open, we submit to PvP). BGS is PvE. Therefore it should not be in Open at all.

[@maverickfegan6589]

Im no less a man for playing solo, thanks for that judgement, that was the reassurance i wanted

[@gnadlaftehgary4257]

playing a space sim makes you no less a man than anyone else playing a space sim, we're all nerds.

[@markhackett2302]

There's nothing I need in open. I can't engage in a method I prefer, combat will be forced on me if someone else decides to. It just isn't worth logging in to open, and getting someone who doesn't want to live and let live and accept an "I don't fancy PvP, thanks" means I'm logging out and at best I will leave someone screaming "CLOGGER!!!!" into the aether or the timeout will not last quite long enough because it was a sealclubbing, not a contest. The loss is going to be no more than a couple of hours mining if I just want to streak back to status quo, but there is a definite loss of time for which I receive nothing I want.

[@Floyd1138]

You dont have what it takes to be ELITE.

[@markhackett2302]

@@Floyd1138 Wrong. You don't have what it takes to be a human.

[@Floyd1138]

@@markhackett2302 says guy hiding in solo

[@kiwd-dynamic]

Learn how to play the game or go play something else. Solo not being a limited mode was the worst thing FDev ever made.

[@markhackett2302]

@@kiwd-dynamic I already know how the game is played. You had better learn that doing what you do is not "playing the game" for anyone other than you. THAT is part of playing the game, a part you are incapable of apprehending. Shame. So sad the education system squirted YOU out.

[@NaughtyShepherd]

Actually you can communicate with others while in solo. I have conversations in system all the time.

[@Fuzzelmonster]

and here i am, over 700 hours in solo/private, and even filtered system chat out because it annoyed me lol

[@marcvesper]

Didn't know that. Makes it hard not to want to always explore in solo

[@WatcherCCG]

System chat is the best. Also a great place to mine salt off the hardcore pvpers who see Solo/PG people as plebs.

[@NaughtyShepherd]

@@WatcherCCG 😂

[@bobguy6542]

1:08 Yeah he said that.

[@greed140]

What was that suicide attempt in the video? Taking Type-9 in a wing while piloting Sidewinder?

[@raulmckool]

Two months in the game here. Saw the stream where The Pilot interviews an assh- I mean, ganker. There's no fraking way in hell I'll ever EVER play open.

[@BArro390]

Thanks, I went and looked that up and no thank you, not going anywhere near Open play because of toxic, window-licking, smug douchebags like that.

[@batkung]

you are missing out on what the game is about then, it's not called Elite Safe

[@raulmckool]

@@batkung I'm not "missing out" on anything. I'm doing exactly what I want, when I want it, the way I want it, uninterrupted by some random asshole with D size issues. The very fact that I don't have to deal with anybody for anything is a most cherrised blessing. I hadn't had this much fun in a game in literally decades.

[@gnadlaftehgary4257]

@@batkung Incorrect. What purpose does pvp have in Elite? Any reward system for pvp? Any real incentive whatsoever apart from beating another nerd in a video game? Nope. Most mmos actually have rewards for pvp, Elite doesn't, and the meta is incredibly stale because it's not their focus. And don't say pirating, possibly the single worst way to make credits in the game. So no, Elite dangerous is NOT about pvp. Unless the devs actually give us decent reason.

[@ericcson3429]

I wonder where the veteran CMDRs would sit on the Open / Solo debate if their Fleet Carriers could be significantly damaged (or perhaps even destroyed) in Open.

[@dustingrim9095]

Wouldn't carriers have to be destroyable in solo too? I mean, you can go and trade at them, soo...

[@kiwd-dynamic]

It would be like when Idris first appeared in Star Citizen. You would need a full batallion of engineered ships to take down a capital-class like a carrier. And if we were able to customize the carrier so we could choose to make it a military vessel or a space laboratory, etc it would be even more fun and engaging.

[@DYhalto250]

Solo, cause I don't want to deal with other people I want to play a game.

[@HarryVoyager]

Yeah. I started in open, but got interdicted by a fellow in a corvette. I was in an empty Adder. He wanted me to join a cult...

Nice!

[@jamescampbell7626]

was it cult with a c or a k?

[@LordofSyn]

@@jamescampbell7626 Yes

[@LordofSyn]

Just don't drink the cool-aid.

[@HughSmith]

You forgot to talk about the TERRIBLE net code in OPEN.

[@danderson8463]

PvP doesn't really make my winky tingle but after moving to open after a few weeks in-game I couldn't go back. At a cg or a populated system I KNOW there are enemies who want me dead... Enemies I can't laugh at like the NPC "threats"... Enemies who could really ruin my day. And I'm cool with that. In fact, I'm delighted with that, since running cargo with literally no threat a hundred times is deathly dull. Open only exists because of old guys like me who played on c64/Amiga and have an instinctive push back on online gaming in general. Fly dangerously commanders, because space SHOULD be dangerous.

[@CMDR.Gonzo.von.Richthofen]

Hell yeah, CMDR. #keepeliteDANGEROUS o7

[@markhackett2302]

Stop making up crap. Nobody believes your story.

[@lulu50023]

my bad lost 200 mil of exploration data to Colonia Jesus

[@LordofSyn]

F

[@m1sternurse]

Loved it! Nice that you could find an empty exam room where you are. Not so lucky here. ☹

[@kevinwatts8221]

There are private groups that consist of many thousands of players such as "Mobius PVE". This allows some interaction with commanders unknown to you and still not get ganked for no reason.

[@c0baltl1ghtn1ng]

Can confirm. Usually it's a passing by 07 if anything, but it's better than risking getting attacked for no reason. Being forced into a specific playstyle isn't fun. Also Martha says 'Hai, Kev'

[@BoredBob]

Solo. I deal with plenty of asshats in day to day life and plenty of griefers and gankers in other games. This is my place to relax, chill, and explore. To each his own but I choose not to engage in the crap.

[@tiga8032]

Always play in open and rarely see a player. when I see one it's great, people forget how MASSIVE is this game, how many thousands and thousands of star systems so if you play a bit away of the main systems then you will rarely see a human so when you see one I always chat that CMDR. Neve had any issues at all in the 5 years (280hours) I play this.

[@demonx3779]

Only 280 hours in 5 years?

[@tunaelhan9535]

@@demonx3779 some people have lives

[@demonx3779]

@@tunaelhan9535, definition of life please

[@tunaelhan9535]

@@demonx3779 quick response for a year old comment proves smthing lul.

[@tunaelhan9535]

@@demonx3779 idk maybe participatong in irl activities? Date with gf, gym, fancy dinner with family, cinema day with the boys, work. Etc

[@thespectator1243]

Thank you for sharing your thoughts, Sepulcher Geist. I would like to point out a misconseption, or rather a... hmm.. well, I would call it a lack of perspective (no offence ment!). I am an avide Solo-player, and I am this from the start. This is because I am fully satisfied with the immersion the game has to offer even without other players. (Well, and because I am the least sociable person in a 100 mile radius from where ever I am, but this is just one piece of the puzzle.) All the space games I have played before where single player experiences: - Elite from 1984, various Wing Commander games including my all times favorite WingCommander: Privateer, X-Wing, Tie Fighter, etc etc. In single player games, I like to get immersed by the gameplay itself; by how the game is able to create its own world and make it believable. Multiplayer games are usually different to me, and I do not play many (currently only Deep Rock Galactic, but thats a different story.) Elite offers a lot of immersion... TO ME, at least. I do not need other players to get immersed; in fact, it only distracts me. I also do not need the "Dangerous" part of Elite - I am fine with just the grind, thank you very much. I do however tend to use smaller and less capable ships for combat nowadays, just to challenge myself; but I like to challange myself at my OWN pace, I do not need someone to jump me and mow me down. This does not give me anything; I play Elite to ESCAPE the shitshow that reality has become (not only since 2020, but in general). I want to FCUkING RELAX when I log into Elite. The idea that death might loom at any corner, and can hit you at any time, doesn't do it for me. That being said I totally get it why people want exactly that. And I am genuinely happy for them. Elite offers a game-mode for everyone - save for "PVE with other players", which you have to join Mobius for atm. I wish Frontier would streamline the game modes and rename them propperly, so you know instantly and without reading the description of each mode what you will log into: - Open PVP - Open PVE (this needs to be created) - Private Group - Solo Yes, the names are not ideal, but my English is not good enough to give you better names. Someone who is better at home with English should make up better names, pwease. :P Oh, and I actually would suggest to give players in Open PVP a boost, in the form of 50% more (or even 100% more) income for.. everything they do in Open PVP. Not only money, but also materials, faction, ... just everything; and certainly including anything PowerPlay related! This bonus will not be given if you log into any other mode in between (like for instance when between picking up cargo and delivering cargo you travel in Solo mode - this should cancel your bonus ... complicated to implement, maybe.... I dunno.... just some thoughts). Please note that I am not trying to convince anyone to play Solo. This is just my personal point-of-view. Do what ever TF _ you_ want; unless you try to take my point-of-view, because it is MINE! .. and there is no place for more then one person here, so GET OF MY LAWN and do get your own point-of-view if you need one. :P Fly unassisted, Commanders! o7 ;)

[@markhackett2302]

No, Open PvP is sufficiently rewarded by being the combat only arena. PvP means combat, means combat ships, and those who love open and PvP claim it is the best game play. They get it. Why give them PvE bonuses too? BGS shouldn't be in Open, for example, because it is a PvE mechanic. And mandating it be Open Only would be to screw over Arissa because gaining rep there is for noncombat builds, whilst piratical powers are elevated because they are selected for winning.

[@ij6708]

First day was playing in open, needed to dock at an orbital but there was a queue of cdmrs. Waited about 5 mins before switching to solo and that's how I've been playing since

[@Pitchlock8251]

I'd have to say, after only been laying for couple months, they few times I've ventured in open, I pretty much regretted it. I apparently seem to be a magnet for asshole players.

[@dr.eckschwein1062]

Gankers will often specifically look out for players with low combat ranks and poorly armed ships as to them they're easy targets. If you're playing in open you should never fly in populated systems without good shields and weapons, as even just having them will be a deterrent for seal clubbers who seek to compensate for their undersized genitalia.

[@C4R1TON]

True, but to someone like myself who may have 30 mins to an hour or so to play due to RL, then solo and private works well so there is no lost precious time dealing with a ganker. When there is plenty of gaming time available, then playing in open can be an option.

[@johnTheUnigoat]

I've played for a bit over 30 hours now, all in open. I basically never see other players, I have seen them maybe once or twice

[@henryvaneyk3769]

Go and visit the Deciat system in Open, in particular, Farseer Incorporated. I can almost guarantee you that you will be griefed/ganked at Farseer's base.

[@Kapanol97]

Yeah go visit the engineers, there are almost always people at them

[@christopherjohnston6343]

@@Kapanol97 I didnt anyone when I visited. Though I'm on PS4. A tonne of carriers with names like "gankers incorporated" but not even a single player contact showing up

[@tonifrost]

@@henryvaneyk3769 I have been around quite in open with my cobra mk3 and seems I was lucky. No issues.

[@redzool]

honestly I would play multiplayer mode if they added a pve mode that basically makes it that you can't kill players in pve mode and they can't kill you.

[@2020heinsite]

Solo & Private modes are the *exact* reason I selected ED as an alternate game to spend time on. I play other titles with "ganker" & "seal clubbing" half wits. ED is my escape from all that & a chance to wonder at the universe without uninvited distractions.

[@colinwilson210]

Join Mobius Group, where human players agree not to attack other human players. You can still do all that stuff, just not when connected to the private group.

[@MrBadkarma71]

Thing is that in Open it's not that realist either than playing Solo, for example the gankers would be hunted down and destroyed by Nation States and their Navy, look at Somalia and various counties Navies. Yes you'll get away with blowing up the trader, murdering and stealing his cargo, but Interstellar Factions Just wouldn't tolerate it, the cost of gankers in the real world would just cost to much so they would be eradicated. The places you would get them would be outside of the bubble. But hey it's only a game and just have Fun, but if you want realism then Solo or Mobius is probably nearer the mark.

[@nafnist]

I just interdicted a CMDR and K-scanned him. He was clean, and proceeded on his travels.

[@acegalaxiusquantum1119]

That happened to me once while I was in my Corvette. I was like, “Are you serious?” It was another player in a Krait MKII, but I was worried it was a ganker. Nah. Scanned me & “Okay, have a nice day! :D” Bruh.

[@greed140]

I think that interdiction is rude. You're going your way and somebody stops you just because they want to check you. That's not polite, even if they have good intentions.

[@blakeirvin3011]

@@greed140 Please cease your unwanted scans! Lol.

[@nafnist]

@@greed140 I agree. But I do it for my enjoyment, and usually CMDRs have fun aswell.

[@PatrickRatman]

@@greed140 we live in a society space society except when you arent.

[@unkleturpis9253]

I think I'll stick to solo. Every time I hop into open I wind up in the same systems with griefers and can't get away from them. Don't know where all these "sane" commanders are, but they're certainly not where I am.

[@gnadlaftehgary4257]

they're in private or solo.

[@tylersizelove7521]

I fully agree, I've always been a solo player because a lot of gamers are becoming twisted, little insecure toxic sociopaths. Thanks for addressing that.

[@MysticalDragon73]

Hell when I first started i was in a corp. They helped me understand the game and learn. I then worked my butt off to get a carrier. However sadly they became more and more toxic and I was hating being on comms with them. I decided to leave quietly. They became so toxic and vile. They actually made a face fb account with my name and pics to slander and attack me. Its rather sad tbh

[@c0baltl1ghtn1ng]

If there was a PVE mode to toggle for open somehow, something that makes system security respond to attacks on other players instantly and disable interdicting other players or something along those line, I may be up for it. Sometimes I like just flying around in an asteroid belt, not doin' nothin', sometimes I like space truckin' a lot of biowaste to a system that literally no one cares about the BGS for. I am not a professional pilot, my own skill has capped far before that point. Why should my harmless fun be ruined by some random shmuck who clearly has much more skill than I, who has a hard on for causing displeasure upon others? The worst he gets is a slap on the wrist for such an action, but the victim usually gets punished oh so much more. That, and Humanity has always followed the easier paths. Why worry about surviving gankers when there's an option to not worry about gankers?

[@Rozzco]

Good vid. If you want a chill Elite session go solo or feel like going hard go open. Mobius is a great option also and meet lots of decent people.

[@daid1255]

I mostly play private when trying to accomplish something with my friends. That being said every time I go in to open i am needlessly killed so I have pretty much stopped playing open unless I'm clowning around

[@DrTarte]

Looking to try out more Wing combat, not sure where to look though. Been loving multicrew since people can just pop right in, but I'm not sure where to go to find people for wing combat missions.

[@crackersdrake8448]

Completely off-topic for the video, but I keep forgetting to ask... What is your intro/outro music?! I freaking love it!

[@FlowElectron]

Sadly, he is keeping it a mystery, it said on the comments of one of his phasmophobia vids, his clue was it was from a non well known ghost shoe

[@prithvij1707]

I had asked in a different video once, it’s a song a friend made for him. Lemme find the name... Edit: Found it, the song is specially made for his channel and it's called Burn Master. The comment is in a reply to my comment on his video on "Chasing a Runaway Moon" (where he went to Mitterand Hollow)

[@crackersdrake8448]

@@prithvij1707 Many much thank you

[@oddball1975]

Play in open if you want but if you do don't log and accept you may be killed for no reason. Please learn escape and evade if you going to play in open oh and run shields...o7 all.

[@ericweston7353]

What is o7?

[@oddball1975]

@@ericweston7353 it is a salute o the head and 7 the arm.

[@markhackett2302]

Nope, logging out is 100% fine. That is why it has a timer. If it were not allowed, they wouldn't code a timer in, because pulling the ethernet cable works 100% of the time without a timer. Please stop demanding that we "learn how to escape". This is like telling men "No means no". We already know how to escape. It is a waste of time, because we always do, unless they have cheated with instadrop interdiction. But it takes minutes of time to do so, and could get up to 20 minutes if you're in a t9 with trade cargo filling up the space. We don't eschew open because we don't know how to escape, we eschew it because dealing with assholes is a waste of our time playing.

[@oddball1975]

@@markhackett2302 Menu logging is allowed, clogging or task killing is not as exploit. However Menu logging is very frowned upon and will get you a bad rep also it takes longer than escaping in a legit gameplay sense. Sorry but your equating evading an attack in a game to IRL sexual assault or rape, okay odd but I will say a bit of self defence training does not hurt in either situation think of escape and evade as a bit of self defence, I ain't fighting you but I am doing enough to get away. I have always played in open and the first 3 years I did it as a trucker only. Now had I menu logged for those 3 years I would be a pariah despised and hated by the community on Xbox that play in open, instead I am still the idiot who fly's a bright orange t7 in open as often as I can. I am respected in most circles as a plucky idiot, people still think you should fly a T6 and T7 in open but someone has to.

[@markhackett2302]

@@oddball1975 "Menu logging is allowed, clogging or task killing is not as exploit" Menu logging is the one that has the timeout. Clogging and task killing do not. Therefore your assertion about timeouts for clogging is a nonsequitur idiocy, because you do not have a timeout for clogging, only menuloging, which you now agree is not clogging.

[@sieda666]

I'd consider playing in open more if they overhauled the crime and punishment system to have some pretty unpleasant consequences for repeat offenders/gankers in high and medium security systems. The other major issue I have with open play is the level of power creep introduced by the engineering process, and how it impacts balance between ships and new/veteran players. I often hear people cite what playing other players adds to the experience of the game, but in my personal experience, playing in open feels much more meta game-y. Not only do I feel like my performance/server connection is frequently worse in open, but massive clumps of CMDRs in a few well known systems and around CGs without an appropriate change in behavior of background NPCs doesn't do much to pull me into the game or its universe. It just feels chaotic.

[@stinkypincky]

Hey buddy i was wondering of you could do a somewhat beginner/intermediate guide to trading and trade ships. love the content, keep up the good work! p.s. Just hit Elite Exploration in my ASPX thanks to your guide :)

[@Serxne_]

I'll do one for ya. Sidewinder > Hauler > Adder > Cobra MK3 > Type 6 > Type 7 > Anaconda >Type 9. Lowest slot you can, D rated shield, rack her up, pick a spot for the fuel scoop, the rest is jump build. Delivery missions were nerfed in the last rebalance. Just a heads up If you have heat issues, consider a better power plant. If you have zoomy issues, consider better thrusters. Make sure to memorize your "target next system" button.

[@TakaChan569]

Nah you can keep the psychopaths in open, i'll stick to solo this is the game i use to kick back while listing to podcast if i had to worry i would get killed every 5 sec it would not be fun.

[@triggas80]

Dont have to play solo. Just look up mobius and register on their website. They have private groups with hundreds of players who are all in for player vs environment no pvp their strict with their rules. First offence is a boot usually

[@zombiebrainstudios]

I got Elite Dangerous through Epic freebie and have been playing in open the whole time. I've met exactly 3 other players so far. And it's not like I've been to 2-3 systems only. I will however switch temporarily to solo if for example I'm carrying lots of exploration data to sell. Just to be sure. By playing in open I constantly remind myself that revenge is a dish best served with some fava beans and a nice Chianti. 😀

[@PatrickRatman]

lol the only time i ever had a "pirate encounter" is when i deliberately went to their system and pissed around in it. 90% of the time in general open travel its a psychopath in a murdership there to just kill anybody (especially weaker targets with little to no defense) with their max engineered fun killer. not really immersive in my opinion. i've basically elevated myself from being able to be ganked easily though ever since i got the Fleet carrier, since you can just park above the same planet the station you want to interact with is orbiting. kinda hard for somebody to predict an intercept path when you only have to travel 4.43Mm in supercruise for 5 seconds in a sea of other fleet carriers, with a chance of instancing making it so you don't see me. i also, much like in real life know how to avoid the bad neighborhoods and have certain factions that i will not deliver tritium to.

[@nahuelin101]

my experience with open is playing it after playing solo since starting the game, go to a nav beacon with a exploration-focused DBX (weaponless), and 15 seconds into the zone get 1 shotted by a black python with full plasma acelerators yea.. i have nothing against people playing open but i aint coming back after that crash course

[@CONTINGENCY_sys]

There needs to be a community space outside of open. PVE designated. That way everyone can interact with everyone without the improper measure of success and fail that exists in OPEN. Until then SOLO and WINGS narrows the community space down quite considerably, but has more measure of success/fail that allows all sides of the screen to experience the range of the space that ELITE DANGEROUS has to offer. The only LESS that SOLO or WINGS has is less in the lines of improper mechanical, behavior accountability, success/fail. SOLO is Elite, always has been. OPEN was an attempt, not fully measured even after all this time to develop a community space. It needs a bit of work, starting with crime and punishment measure. A designated PVP space with all the ships that you can just build out GLADITORIAL is what most of the problem commanders want and attempt to accomplish in open. They need that space so that the community space can once again play together, not against each other unwantingly. Have fun, measure that fun, decide your space from your experiences in that space. I've played ELITE 40yrs, and stick to my decision until otherwise convinced that proper measures are in place for enjoyment of the space that I love and share that with those of like minded intentions.

[@tammy7098]

I’m fairly new to elite and I stumbled across your amazing channel searching for tips. Your commentary is really funny. As I’m fairly new i wanna see other players in game. I don’t see other players very often even though I always play open. Do you have a squadron that is open to subscribers?

[@Unique1Media]

Solo

[@StonedDead1981]

I'm a newer player so I've only been in solo. Trying to get the engineering unlocked but planning on open when I get there. I think I just about know what I'm doing against the npcs, so It's going to be soon. I'm sure my first encounter with another commander will be interesting. See you all in space, commanders.

[@gnadlaftehgary4257]

unless you're playing one of the cookie cutter builds I wouldn't bother with Open pvp, it's an incredibly boring meta and people have picked to death over 5 years. If you just want to play your own way with a ship you like then solo or private is the way.

[@StonedDead1981]

@@gnadlaftehgary4257 lol, I like your name. I know better, I'm not going to take anything super expensive out. Probably a Viper III, it's almost engineered anyways, and I'll stock up on materials before I take it out. Been watching plenty of vids from different people, I like to know what I'm getting into. So thanks for the heads up.

[@sausageslaps]

my game my choice, you forgot the third option, private group, i play in mobius, a group of like minded players who do not desire pvp. we play against the game, we have a community. i for one have zero interest in pvp, it gives no reward for me, i enjoy missions and rewards, objectives and so on, killing other players has little purpose as you either have ships for the immersive gameplay or you get a fdl for hassling other players as the game is severely unbalanced as far as ships go.

[@talizorahnarrayya5916]

100% agree, I probably wouldn't be playing ED as much as I am if I was forced to play open, the few time I did I didn't like it.

[@Jordan-yb7zp]

Just started a second acct on the epic games free elite, and all I play is open on that acct, well mostly. If theres not a open landing pad at an outpost ill switch to solo just to dock. Then i go back to open. Been playing for 3 weeks now and Ive only run across 1 other Cmdr. 1, and Im still in the bubble. Huh...

[@douglasmorris8364]

Hardly play open which is a shame. Too many wankers 'cough' gankers attacking without the curtesy of asking 'How about a duel?' and respecting the answer. Good vid sir.

[@ImPactSilent]

Ah yes, this is the best phasmaphobia video in the playlist 💜

[@WatcherCCG]

I don't agree with your pity for gankers, but here? Here I almost completely agree with you. Sometimes, you just need to go into Solo/Private because your objective is too valuable. Particularly, exploration data, as there is no rebuy on that. I do wonder if the Iridium Wing is still around, though...

[@JJ-zb9kk]

For the most part I play in open and I agree with this video, I do have one problem with open though, it is super annoying when I am just doing a random mission and for no reason some CMDR in a mamba interdicts me and I am dead in under 15 seconds, if being a dick is what those people want to do I can't stop them but I wish that I could at least have a chance of escaping if not fighting back and I don't really see how they could get anymore entertainment out of me immediately disintegrating then going up against an AI with no feelings

[@arakwar]

Some people have fun only when they know that other people get mad. It was the same in Eve Online. Some people are driving huge industrial complexes just to get money to buy ships to gank you anywhere anytime with no impact since they can afford to lose that money. This is why I play only in solo or private group in Elite. I'm not here for the PvP. And if I want to PvP, the arena seems like an interesting place to do so.

[@markhackett2302]

What do you get in Open? Worth the Mamba interdiction? What they get is that an AI doesn't have feelings. Can't bring their lives up, that would be effort, so they bring others down. Sure, a minority, but it is like saying that you only have a 5% chance of eating a burger from a fast food joint that was dropped on the ground and scraped back up, so don't care about higene snap inspections.

[@trajan_x0128]

@@arakwar lmao cqc is a joke

[@JackManiacky]

@@markhackett2302 sometimes you have the bigger stick and you give that mamba a slap. Best reward in the game.

[@TheShyoto]

"Play in Open because getting randomly ganked by tiny-willy people is the only fun part of the game, and if you don't then you're just bad at the game." Why. Why is this the ONLY pro-Open argument I hear across the board? How about, just make Open a POSITIVE experience?

[@almostmidnight232]

I wish they made a pvp system like the division 1, where you had the dark zone, and everywhere else was pve (sad you couldn't see anyone beside basements)

[@foxriver9156]

This is simply good life advice. Take all these points and apply them to any said chosen political position, or any type of perspective on current events. Check all your intents and opinions for it.

[@mobiyus3282]

I'm relatively new to E:D, been playing almost daily only for a couple of months, and played open since day one. The only times i go solo is when grindings mats, cuz i find it rude to pop in someone else's instance and take their mats. I find the game much more exciting in open, for the exact reasons you mentioned, the friendly player interactions during community fleet carrier trips and the thrill of the risk of being ganked. I only been ganked twice and both times i wasn't mad because it was of no consequences. In fact, the second time was actually helpful! It made my trip shorter as i respawned at my destination :) I am surprised i do not get ganked more because i fly a lot of paper thin exploration ships with a low combat rank in populated sytems, all the ingredients for an easy ganking target. Most of my ships do not have weapons, and some of my ships do not even have shields. My trusy DBX have a mine launcher though! Woooo, watch out and fear me, gankers! lol

[@Ryan-hx1uv]

I'm glad someone said it!

[@Cdre_Satori]

In my experience, the only people who want people to play in open want to hunt players in open. There are zero benefits to playing in open when it comes to material collecting, trading or exploration when you can specialize a ship in Solo. And if you need help you can always switch for that to open. That being said, there definitely is a fun factor to playing in open, and if we let gankers and griefers drive players out all that will be left in open are gankers, griefers and new players who wont see any good commanders in the game.

[@MrPablosek]

I just want a more populated space but the toxic players really ruin that by killing new people with their capital ships

[@Cdre_Satori]

@@MrPablosek Why though? There is little reason to want to meet other players in game outside of PvP. It means more crowded mining hotspots, pirates that scan you more than once, crowded material hotspots. It means running risk of playes killing you for fun after you spent month exploring the galaxy. It is extremely rare to fidn that one guy you can help with your repair or fuel limpet, or who will give you tips to land safely withtout landing computer. That is why those instances are so precious. One place where I would want other players with me is hunting thargoids, so it feels like actual race war and not one man against their empire. In effect I worry that without Solo, the game would end up like GTA5, with open full of bullies killing weaker players just because that is how they were thaught to play the game by other bullies and with no real alternative in solo or private. Then again, we are talking about wastly different age median of players. Perhaps my fears are illfounded.

[@MrPablosek]

@@Cdre_Satori More players make the game feel more alive. The map is huge, I mean, a whole freaking galaxy. It's rare to see a player in the bubble, let alone outside of it. If more people played open then the game would feel more alive, more immersive and you would have more interactions with different players. Still, the toxic players searching for PVP non stop are an issue to this. If not for them I bet most people from solo would migrate to open. I personally play in open constantly. I haven't been attacked by anyone yet, I don't know why, might be because I'm a new player but yeah. I also made my home station a planet base with every single ship available so in theory there should be a lot of players there.

[@Cdre_Satori]

@@MrPablosek I mean, I also haven't been ganked by players but I didn't play the open a lot. it just adds stress whenever you meet a player and adds unnecessary risk. I agree that the galaxy is huge and many people including myself worry too much about players suffering from space madness, they are actually quite rare, but ironically, open has the biggest concentration of them, because it is no fun to bully people if they are ready for a fight, there are genuine PvP enthusiasts who simply like the challenge and variety of facing another commander, and then there are followers of David Hackworth motto “If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan properly.” And I understand what they want, the fight should not be fair. If you plan an ambush, pick your target carefully and bring overwhelming force, the fight should not be fair, and it feels so good to see your plan work out perfectly, but its no fun for the attacked party, and psychology says that unless you win 40% of playfights, you stop playing. Thus I love that we have solo option, because it allows more players to stop playing rather than start chasing those 40% by ganking other players and accumulating until you get toxic space and you might as well unleash thargoids on the bubble because we will be too busy chasing more easy kills to get that 40% to engineer ships and learn cold orbiting. I agree that open is how the game should be played. I also would suggest most players to at least try to play in open from time to time If only to see how they like it, it's two less clicks when opening the game after all and with some grinds that a number of clicks accumulate. But it's logical to play in Solo, that is the issue. If the prices, profits and galaxy are the same then only difference in open is that other players can interdict you or troll by hovering above your landing pad. That is why I think most players would not join open. The threat would still be there and not everyone likes to face human threats in games if they can easily avoid it.

[@Cdre_Satori]

@@MrPablosek Also if your homebase is I Sola Prospect than I hope you know you are paying 20% more for all those modules and ships there. Maybe that's why hardly anyone comes around there. Check out wiki page on discounts offered by powerplay bosses and maybe filter on EDDB if you don't want to cheese elite rank to get to Jameson memorial.

[@aarongreer7621]

7:21 Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

[@NAmania]

Imho the ridiculous OPness of G4-5 engineering , makes solo absolutely MANDATORY until you have properly engineered ships. Without engineering you re just cannon fodder even in a fully A-graded Corvette.

[@jaylengarren5137]

Im on ps4 so to me there is not difference between solo and open

[@Baaddger]

Try checking out some of the community goals, or some of the Power Play home systems. I just ate two Cutter rebuys at this week's new CG - was not looking for a scrap, but one found me and it was a right laugh! If you ever fancy joining a laidback, small, but very active squadron, look up the "Freelancers". We're looking for new PS4 recruits. o7

[@agord7591]

Depends on where you go. My first time in shinrarta dezhra I was ganked in a stock anaconda with no weapons.

[@jaylengarren5137]

@@Baaddgerill think about it

[@Baaddger]

@Lubeck Cunto Sorry, tagged the wrong person!

[@trajan_x0128]

The only danger you’ll ever find if you’re smarter then a pile of shit is from another player. It’s called Elite: *Dangerous*

[@markhackett2302]

The only danger is the slimebuckets who want people forced to play with them. There's a reason nobody wants to play with you.

[@wmgthilgen]

SOLO should be self explanatory, any one not understanding it shouldn't be playing video games. PRIVATE allows one to pick and choose any and all human rather than just NPC's to play with. OPEN means any and all possible ramifcation that a human player can and will provide can and will happen.

[@xhammerx13thor42]

Until they adjust the lock on gauge advantage for the aggressor while commiting pvp interdictions I wont play Open anymore. The Aggressor in pvp interdictions starts with 7 or 8 out of 10 on their interdiction gauge off the bat while an npc being the aggressor start off around half on their interdiction gauge.

[@strings1586]

While I enjoy the concept of having a solo adventure, I feel like the real sense of danger in this game comes from the unpredictability of other CMDRs. Are they going to chill and maybe even join the adventure? Or will they try and murder you?

[@suavevalen]

No open for me until we can permanently block people we do not wish to encounter.

[@WatcherCCG]

Except Elite is the very first game that can let you do exactly that. The block function doesn't just mute people, it tells the game to not instance that person with you. It sort of breaks if the blocked problem player wings up with someone you don't have blocked or someone on your friends list, but it's very reliable. If you get ganked too many times by the same jackass, block them and your chances of seeing them again drops almost to zero. It's what allows me to play semi-safely in Open. Just don't go crazy and block pirates along with the gankers. Those guys at least serve an actual purpose and play an actual role.

[@alx12345]

My main ship is a imperial courier, multipurpose built and can permaboost up to 800m/s, alway play open, got interdicted/ganked a few time, each time i flew away before they could do anything, often they cry in the chat and say how gay the courier is. X)

[@gnadlaftehgary4257]

Seems like good incentive to play in Open... just run away from any encounter... coward

[@ludoturk4908]

Peut ont jouer sans xbox live avec une co modem j'ai environ 20 mega mais pas d'abonnement

[@SWIFTO_SCYTHE]

7:20 "Only a Sith deals in absolutes" I am of course paraphrasing. The best toxic post i came across is an angry Ooen player bitching that solo people are quote "Messing up the BGS" unquote.

[@Ilovethedeepsea]

What is a good system to hunt noobs?

[@SepulcherGeist]

Anywhere with a lot of traffic where people need to visit that aren't necessarily heavily armed, like common engineer systems and popular trade routes. But be warned, you'll get a lot of hate. Just remember to keep it a buck fifty with your victims and don't be nasty.

[@GhostlyCowboy]

I have to use docking because of a issue with my hands shaking. So if me using a docking computer is enough to make them gank me that's them being short bus candidates. But then most people who's only enjoyment in a game comes from screwing with others never stop to consider other anyways.

[@brennonl9687]

Private for life man, getting farmed by anacondas and corvettes in my first 3 hours in the game ruined it.

[@christopherjohnston6343]

That's sort of bullying is dumb and fair that it put you off.

[@MrPablosek]

Must be bad luck. I have 60 hours now and haven't been attacked even once.

[@tg5441]

You have difficulty merely land on the engineer site in open mode. There are lot of gankers awaiting in popular place and open fire to the new starter with no reason. Some gankers will have fun with a new comer by shooting him to remain 1% of Hull and trace him to Star port and film him explosion caused by poor landing, then put the clip to youtube.

[@jSlazer1988]

Solo/private groups were a huge mistake.

[@markhackett2302]

Open was a waste of time. If Open were to be PvP, then there should only be combat ships and no BGS.

[@Crystan]

Solo player, and staying that way. I tried open. Many times. It's just full of people desperate to harvest your ass for a handful of components and god forbid you ever fly anything that isn't armed to the absolute teeth, with thick armor and over-engineered shields. Are there safe areas? Sure. Miles away from the bubble where literally no one goes you might be lucky enough to not encounter a single soul, but then you might as well be playing solo anyway. The bounty system doesn't do enough to deter piracy.

[@brianklein8891]

lol, Just got the game today, 6 hours played, so lost lol. Honestly, just been hanging out in the space base.

[@SepulcherGeist]

@@brianklein8891 I have a vid called Starting Out in Elite Dangerous that might be helpful!

[@brianklein8891]

@@SepulcherGeist thanks there is so much to learn I have a thrustmaster from other games, I find myself confused with choice paralysis and so many things, the game does a poor job explaining anything. heading off to watch video now.

[@asmahasmalaria8596]

I mostly play online, just because I have no reason not to.

[@nolson151984]

I have always played open. Love to interact with others out there. Sure there are those dicks that gank or grief, but that's the game. If you play solo, that's cool its your game play it how you wanna play.

[@its_deer]

To each their own

[@oogleyboogley302]

Why is this in the phasmophobia playlist?

[@captaincaveman2353]

You can't take away solo unless multiplayer becomes free on consoles,.

[@Beypocket]

You can't play the game in solo without an online connection anyways.

[@mrape3945]

You can play MOBIUS private group. Search for it and request to join. MOBIUS is a PVE player group with almost 30k members. You can have the open multiplayer experience except within a non-pvp player group which is moderated by other players. But personally, play open. You become dangerous by living dangerous.

[@spEAMerNation]

Shit I gotta check this out

[@trajan_x0128]

Basically: open but for fragile commanders

[@mrape3945]

@@trajan_x0128 Its PVE, so its a good place to play without the concern of an open battle with another player. I always play Open, but Mobius is useful during events that draw numbers. I remember years ago when Thargoid barnacles where first discovered. Players would all meet around them on planet surfaces and interact. In open it was a gankers barrel filled with fish. In Mobius it was a lot of fun, just meeting players and enjoying the game. Every mode should be played when it makes sense to. The stories of open being a gankers paradise are way over blown and a lot of entitled commanders exaggerate the issues. Just play smart.

[@88DTA88]

Friends! LOL.......Good one.

[@AutoSia]

I have over 250+ hours and 98% of it is played in solo.

[@fv2977]

Only a Sith deals in absolutes!

[@Entroph08542]

The problem is Xbox live gold I don't have it and can only playing solo😭😭

[@eegrassd5324]

Keep up the great work :D

[@markhackett2302]

You're wrong from the off. PG and Open are almost identical, you play with other humans in a shared galaxy. Open still only shares your instances with a few people in the same region of the world on the same platform. The only difference is that with Open you don't get to choose how it ties up any closer than that. You can still block people and force them to fail. The difference is only that you can choose who to play with in a whitelist rather than choose who to play with in a blacklist. Solo you don't get to play with any other human.

[@mirshia5248]

solo is actually realistic

[@yungshinobi8162]

Does anyone wanna hop onto Xbox?

[@eddiemarohl5789]

3:04 oh no I have a cs go friend like that. Well had lol.