Responding to JD Greear

[@KarinAllison]

Not a single person who was exposed by Megan's book has repented or apologized. The ones who feel injured just take exception.

[@laurenkuo2333]

@KarinAllison l think they know they are wrong but can't face up to the horrific damage they caused to the church and to our country. They have to try and go to sleep at night with a very heavy guilty conscience. There's still time for them to repent and God still forgives and extends His grace. That's the only path to freedom.

[@BeksWorld]

I think this is a big issue in the church-pastors that were wrong & cant publicly say “sorry I was wrong”. Why do they preach to us to go to others & ask forgiveness & yet they don’t model it.

[@jerilowehowell6015]

@@BeksWorld Pride.

[@Guerry78]

I’m just waiting for Megan to repent

[@joelsaint3185]

@@Guerry78 Of what? OK, I get the sarcasm...

[@bnato8209]

"Never listen to JD Greear." Check! I have marked and avoided JD years ago.

[@larrylafferty3836]

lot of christians are onboard with the democrat party

[@jerilowehowell6015]

@@larrylafferty3836 Huge difference between Christians and those claiming to be....

[@katherinecornette5315]

@@bnato8209 pray for Summit church and all who are blind to his deception! It’s subtle until it isn’t.

[@Pastor_Grant]

Greear concluded from Romans 1 that Christians should be the fiercest supporters of gay rights. Needless to say he twists the Scripture. He also defended abortionists in the same sermon saying they attend his church.

[@roberthughes9295]

When has he said this? The most popular article ever on TGC is his own specifically claiming we should not step down from how we speak and deal with the sin of homosexuality, including the legal realm.

[@conceptualclarity]

​​​@@roberthughes9295 Recent Evangelical Dark Web video on JD shows the video clips of him talking happily about the abortion clinic workers in his church with no indication that he has told them that they've got to stop working at an abortion clinic. That is a dereliction of duty for a pastor. He should tell them you're going to have to go on Doordash or Uber or something until you find a better job; you cannot go on working at an abortion clinic. But if he did that it would get him in trouble with the Democrats he wants to please, and it might go against his own personal disposition anyway.

[@Pastor_Grant]

@@roberthughes9295 look it up, its all on KZbin, about a 1000 people responded and have done videos about that infamous "sermon". I think it was from 2019

[@katherinecornette5315]

Well that explains why he never spoke on Pro Life Sunday. He always had someone in the church who had paid for or encouraged an abortion speak 🤔

[@cat-bg3rv]

I'm guessing that he speaks out of both sides of his mouth. You know, right & left or left and right. Maybe neutral?

[@dabhidhm4093]

JD Greear and Jen Wilkin interpret the Bible like children. "The Bible mentions this a hundred times and only mentions this ten so obviously it's less of a sin." Here's a clue: Jesus wasn't calling out immorality as often as he called out hypocrisy because the Pharisees who confronted him were not having illicit relations in public all the time, but they were being hypocrites. If God says something is wrong one time, then it is wrong and the argument must stop. He shouldn't have to tell you four hundred times before you believe and accept what He says.

[@jerilowehowell6015]

Yep; theological lightweights. It's why James told the church "Let not many of you be teachers".

[@conceptualclarity]

He lives in seminary territory so the professors are very well aware of this childish exegesis. What does it say that they won't call him out?

[@dabhidhm4093]

@@conceptualclarity It suggests that a lot of these seminary professors are leftists and they love stupid exegesis tricks because they work to deceive the laity into accepting leftist ideology.

[@billbleau1534]

In Jesus time, everyone inherently believed that it would be wrong to have homosexual relations and it would be outlandish and ludicrous for people to attempt to shape themselves into the opposite sex. It did not need to be addressed repeatedly, it was assumed. We have gone so far into the fantasy realm of gender reassignment that we do not have the common foundation of knowledge that they shared.

[@MrJeffreyDR]

He seems like a functionary for the religious establishment. Only demagogues post self-congratulatory photos of themselves taking a Konvid shot and then post about it on social media, knowing how divisive this would be. Do your thing, but don’t try to influence others in such a way. There’s nothing modest or selfless about that. Lord knows I need help with pride as much as anyone, which is why I’m the last person that should be leading a church LoL.

[@fandude7]

It's good to put these people on the defensive. Let them try to defend their position.

[@drsusieg]

Message to Megan: keep going. If you don't, someone else will. It's time.

[@theresemcnerney7961]

It’s way over due thank you Megan for your courage and trusting The Holy Spirit who will lead us into ALL truth.

[@michellepeterson6320]

Exactly

[@katherinecornette5315]

My family was in his church. We were there and this is the slide we noticed into excusing sexual sin and making Christians guilty of not being compassionate enough. This kind of guilt play became a theme and tool of Summit church. If you weren’t loving enough, giving enough, sharing the gospel enough…you are the one who was guilty of sin. Thankful to be out of there 🙏🏻✝️⛪️Pray for that church! I pray he will repent and admit to his sin…as I look back, there was a lot he needs to atone for. His church is now in North Raleigh with satellite campuses including the former main campus in Durham.

[@davidkeown5351]

Was JDG as concerned about “credibility” in the SBC, NAMB and the ERLC? Actually he might want to be more concerned about his own personal credibility. I respect Megan’s credibility 1000x more than JDG’s credibility.

[@scapps8173]

That JD sermon on Blm or whatever it was would make me walk out of that church. The only way this guy got elected is so the people in the church can sin a little more with no consequences. Shame on SBC

[@joshwatson5561]

You seem quite sensitive:)

[@thomasmilavec3754]

The lack of repentance after this book and the hardening of every heart is quite literally terrifying. Rather than repent, they send out their goons to defend them. I had no idea it was this bad.

[@rinihogewoning6528]

Let's pray that churches will wake up from their slumber in response to this book.

[@paulvoit5610]

Gavin Ortlund's goons are the only ones I've seen so far. It's like there's an army of them. They're aggressive and use the same tactics as political leftists.

[@outboardprsnlstndup]

Greer: “I’m going to quote this conservative commentator, he’s very conservative. His name is david french.” LOLOLOLOLOLOL

[@laurenkuo2333]

He maximizes the sin of bullying the gay community. He falsely accuses his members as a group. How many of his members actually bully- does he have evidence? Can he name them out? But when Megan names him out and backs it with evidence, he is outraged.

[@conceptualclarity]

What constitutes bullying the exotic lifestyles community? Do Paul and Moses qualify as such bullies? Has it not for a long time been the case that the "community" are the ones who need to repent of bullying?

[@anthonyfava9367]

Even promoting the idea that they deserve civil rights is itself errant when their behavior is criminal according to Scripture

[@gummylens5465]

​@@conceptualclarity As someone who has been bullied in school, and sometimes even today, here are some examples: Laughing at boys for having sensitive mannerisms and ostracizing them. Or calling people "dykes" in a demeaning way. God bless,

[@larrylafferty3836]

this is bad my church Bible study leader uses greers videoes all the time i might be in the wrong church pastor quoted some thing Rick Warren said too this causes me great concern i just started going back to church after being away for years i was seeing pastors voteing for pro abortion presidents and not thinking anything of it upset my wife and i so much we quit going to church i went back on my own she still refuses to go back because of people like Greer and keller

[@davidwile6793]

​@@larrylafferty3836I feel for you and your wife as it seems too many churches have accepted the world's culture in too much of their beliefs.

[@michellepeterson6320]

This paints Greear as even more woke than I thought. French is not a leftist. (haha) Greear is clearly a proponent of critical theory. He talks like he has a degree in CT.

[@scapps8173]

Seems like Megan Basham really hit a lot of nerves. Time for these congregations to take a close look at these Pastors. But seeing as they like being luke warm Christians that's going to be hard. After all, they might have to give up too many sins.

[@jimkuhn3500]

J.D has been DRIFTING LEFT ever since he was letting Ed Litton preach his sermons word 4 word ???

[@balaamsass5540]

Waaaay before that.

[@jimkuhn3500]

@@balaamsass5540 I Agree , just remember how he said it was ok for Litton to do that ... But I agree way before he said Beth Moore could preach in his pulpit anytime ...

[@theresemcnerney7961]

@@jimkuhn3500another big mistake he made among so many..

[@conservativemama3437]

His line that heterosexuality doesn’t send you to heaven was stolen from Keller.

[@carolberubee]

Yep, I came here to say that. Greear stole that line word for word from Keller. Pathetic.

[@Jo-ji1yf]

@@conservativemama3437 and it's false. Homosexuality as well as every other sin is exactly what sends us to hell

[@outboardprsnlstndup]

Is anyone surprised that Tim Keller inspired others to say such idiotic things

[@conceptualclarity]

​​@@outboardprsnlstndup Tim Keller was obviously a very intelligent man, so you know that when he said incredibly brain-dead things like that, it was deliberate sophistry on his part. And he put forth sophistry all the time especially on Twitter in his final years.

[@andrewcosta2760]

​@@Jo-ji1yfKeller said in an interview that sin in general doesn't send you to Hell.

[@asahelnettleton9044]

I'm a bit surprised that there isn't an army of Greear shills here defending him. Maybe Jon managed to slip one by the goalie.

[@conceptualclarity]

For whatever reason they seem to be less devoted than the Gavin crowd

[@EPHESIANS_5..11__Lady]

@@conceptualclarity The Gαv!n cuIt is truly sh0cking--I've never seen anything like that before.

[@paulvoit5610]

​@@EPHESIANS_5..11__LadyIt was quite disturbing seeing their cultish devotion and how many there were.

[@tabletalk33]

Well, I submit that it's not so easy to defend something which is so obviously NOT normal, i.e., sexual perversion. I would not want to have to do it for a living. I suppose his gaslighting supporters have their good days and bad days. Maybe they just don't feel up to it. Or maybe their consciences are bothering them? Isn't it so much easier to argue AGAINST that which is abnormal, rather then in favor of it? Think of the terrible burden that J.D. Greear is carrying by supporting that which got Sodom and Gomorrah wiped out.

[@SeanusAurelius]

Greear says that he didn't endorse the BLM movement, but in his quote he complains that "The BLM movement (implicitly: good) has been hijacked by an organisation (implicitly: bad)." This in a quote that affirms Black Lives Matter in every darned sentence. His defence of the Great Commission Baptist charge is transparently disingenuous too.

[@jerilowehowell6015]

Sadly, JD Greear seems to be a theological lightweight, and even more sadly, he does not appear to be alone. The cultural winds define their stances, not God's Word. His Word is twisted to accommodate what is "popular". The verse that comes to mind is: James 3:1. God will judge those who twist His Word to preach what He did not say and to claim what He declared anathema.

[@michellepeterson6320]

Clearly he endorsed it.

[@cat-bg3rv]

​@@jerilowehowell6015AMEN

[@dohctorsmith1]

Brother, you roasted JD! This is by far the best expose’ of him yet.

[@sammyt4549]

A righteous roasting, to be sure!

[@laurenkuo2333]

Here's where we went off the rails - the lady on the panel asked, "What can we use besides the Scriptures?"

[@jerilowehowell6015]

@laurenkuo2333 Yes it should be clear from that statement alone that the position taken is not Biblical. Anyone who truly loves God's Word would have stopped right there. Says it all.

[@edeancozzens3833]

What about standing up for Christians being persecuted, attacked, and ostracized by that other crowd?

[@conceptualclarity]

"Supporting" the exotic lifestyle coalition automatically means being an enemy of God's people and of God Himself.

[@jacklawsen6390]

@@edeancozzens3833 Christians are an 'oppressor' group, alphabet people are 'oppressed'. This is factually incorrect, but politically correct.

[@dnp7162]

@edeancozzens3833: because standing with LGBTQ gets the applause of the world and avoids the blowback from taking a biblical (and truly loving) stance against that specific sin.

[@tabletalk33]

@@dnp7162 One might remind J.D. that Christ "...overcame the world." J.D. has capitulated to it. Joh 16:32 Behold, the hour comes, yea, has now come, that you will be scattered, each man to his own things, and you will leave Me alone. And yet I am not alone, because the Father is with Me. Joh 16:33 I have spoken these things to you so that you might have peace in Me. In the world you shall have tribulation, but be of good cheer. I have overcome the world.

[@marshallalbritton9521]

JD Greaar’s preaching is exhausting… not just bad.

[@shawnmason8543]

I agree that homosexuality is a choice but all sin is a choice. It amazes me that Christians are bashed for standing against homosexuality. They say why don’t yall talk about all the others sins? But we do. It’s just that no other sin is being pushed to be normalized like homosexuality is. There are no “adultery pride parades”

[@tabletalk33]

-Yes, good point! They are great at cherry picking their favorite themes (with hidden agendas), aren't they? We could trot out some material from scripture to confront them on this and to put our own arguments on firmer ground. There is some good food for thought here. -I just noticed this morning that Nehemiah has some sage advice about rebuilding and rejuvenating a society (or oneself). Frank Charles Thompson's chain-reference Bible (Kirkbride, 1983) has some interesting analysis on pages 1521-1522, under #4238--The Book of Nehemiah, Leading Topics: "The rebuilding of the walls of Jerusalem, the rehearsal of certain divine laws, and the restoration of ancient ordinances." -Synopsis I. A Study in Types, (1) a-f, dealing with "rebuilding," making "sacrifices," "fasting and prayer," "seeking cooperation," "facing the facts before beginning constructive work," and "thorough organization." (2) The Same Methods May Be Used in Overcoming Hindrances to Spiritual Work. (a) Ridicule (b) Wrath and contempt (c) Conspiracy (d) Discouragement of friends (e) Selfish greed (f) Work completed, enemies confounded by persistent endeavor.

[@robertlotzer7627]

Can you imagine a pastor preaching a sermon that we need to be advocates for the pedophile community and apologize for the abuse we Christians have done toward that community?

[@jerilowehowell6015]

@robertlotzer7627 Sadly at the rate things are going, it may not be long off....

[@tabletalk33]

No, but I never imagined that things would go as far as they have ALREADY, i.e., that substantial numbers of "CHRISTIANS" are on board with this!

[@laurenkuo2333]

Looks like these characters are digging a deeper grave. If Megan's book is really full of lies, all they need to do is be quiet and let the book die on it's own. But truth doesn't die and that's their dilemma.

[@tabletalk33]

We have one huge advantage over them: WE DON'T HAVE TO LIE.

[@biblicalworldview1]

Part of JD Greer's problem and others like him, is they forget the cultural context in which Jesus was teaching. He was teaching to Jews who already had in the law a complete band on homosexuality in homosexual practices. That wasn't something going on in Israel that he had to address as it is in the church today promoting and defending it. Also, those taking a more progressive stance like JD Greer and Andy Stanley seem to have this underlying current that people reject God because of the stance of Christians not being more loving. No, Romans 1:18-32 shows that their hearts are desperately wicked and there are default position is hatred toward God.

[@jacklawsen6390]

Try changing the specific sin mentioned in the first clip of Greear. "The church needs to stand up and advocate for the dignity of the fornicator community".

[@jerilowehowell6015]

@@jacklawsen6390 For the dignity of the thieving community.

[@tabletalk33]

Yep. They are suspiciously selective in their choice of which sins to advocate for, or "sponsor"?

[@jacklawsen6390]

@@tabletalk33 They always seem to pick the ones that have the support of leftist politicians and the mainstream media.

[@angelasmith1112]

1:04:14 sounds like he works in corporate America. Is he going to force DEI training and make everyone bow to the cultural Marxist way of thinking? The lack of discernment is baffling.

[@tabletalk33]

That's the direction that he and the SBC is headed.

[@dubyag4124]

What is virtual signaling? Anything we do for the applause of men. These JDG videos are sickening.

[@Username-ff6ir]

What’s a JDG video

[@jerilowehowell6015]

As it says in Scripture, they have the reward they sought. Cannot serve God and man.

[@dubyag4124]

@@Username-ff6ir JD Greear

[@conceptualclarity]

​@@Username-ff6ir The clips on display in the OP video

[@tabletalk33]

They certainly are! It's just very annoying, disconcerting, and exhausting to watch an allegedly "Christian" man do back flips on behalf of such an unworthy and sinful cause! Isn't that unbelievable?

[@brandonhartgraves5095]

Thank you for bringing some much needed clarity about the trustworthiness of Megan's witness here so we can stand up to those who dismiss it. It's been a bit of a wild ride.

[@Angel-cu5mf]

this JDG guy is obviously a false teacher/ propagandist, promoting everything important to the world, a big phony, no anointing, i can't even stand listening to him it feels all wrong

[@c.m.granger6870]

Excellent job, Jon. Thank you!

[@MatthewFullerVA]

I’ve been enjoying these videos. Thanks for your work, Jon!

[@michellepeterson6320]

54:20 - This isn't "church level" CT. This is actually radical CT. It checks all the boxes, and she absolutely could have hit him harder and been justified.

[@MG-ed8gs]

Jon, thank you for opening the eyes of many saints to what is going on in the Evangelical world. Your podcast is protecting many sheep from the wolves. God bless you!

[@clintjohnson9994]

Those of us in Texas do not get great weather until much much later in the year….usually around October. We have the high heat with high humidity that you’re talking about along with a very healthy dose of mosquitos) from around June to September.

[@jesse123185]

I was thinking the same thing this is usually the hottest part of the summer in southwest Missouri where I'm from and right now I'm working in central Oklahoma and we're having a typical August heat wave

[@dabhidhm4093]

"Love believes all things" therefore accept testimony of purported victims of abuse uncritically? This is a disqualifying abuse of Scripture. A sane church would remove him from ministry for such a deceitful mishandling of Scripture.

[@jerilowehowell6015]

@dabhidhm4093 Sadly too many Christians don't know their Bibles. And some sitting among them are wolves dressed like sheep.

[@tabletalk33]

Well said. A sane church would remove him TODAY. But the SBC is NOT a sane church. It has been infected by "another Gospel" of their own invention. Jer 11:10 They have turned back to the iniquities of their forefathers, who refused to hear My Words. And they went after other gods to serve them. The house of Israel and the house of Judah have broken My covenant which I made with their fathers.

[@leadinged]

read the excellent book. Megan is right on target. The flack is always more intense when over the target.

[@SK-mz4cq]

My church used a JD bible study. I told them he was not good but they used it anyway.

[@tabletalk33]

Sad. Moral: Anybody can be spiritually blinded by a fast-talking grifter and "gas-lighter," unless they are really on their guard.

[@charlottepatterson2864]

Re JDG being “misunderstood”: isn’t it a pastor’s mission, function, job to COMMUNICATE, to TEACH the Word of God? It’s not to “spin” the gospel to attract the biggest crowds, but to proclaim the Word and let the Holy Spirit do His work.

[@tabletalk33]

Sure it is! But J.D. is preaching "another Gospel," so, to the discerning among us, it just doesn't pass the smell test. There will be an end to this business, and he will be judged accordingly.

[@JesusPeopleSF]

Around 1:18:19 you talk about "innocent until proven guilty" and Greear's material says to "believe all things." Yet the NT clearly says about elders that a charge is only admissible with 2 or 3 witnesses.

[@EarlHildebrandt]

The only community Greear is fit to speak for is "middle-aged guys who choose to wear puffy vests indoors." Their sins are limited in scope but manifest.

[@-RM-]

Manifest sins for the man-in-vest

[@EarlHildebrandt]

@@-RM- I doff my vest to you, sir.

[@TheJMan31]

To be fair to JD, he probably didn’t even write the sermon. Docent might’ve done their thing and he just performed it 🤷

[@tabletalk33]

He takes full responsibility and ownership of it either way.

[@michellepeterson6320]

He's saying "complementarianism" while describing egalatarianism. This guy is the quintessential CT advocate, right down to changing names and definitions. 1:06:00 - this is the future...so the future is everything BUT white men. This is extremely convenient to say when you are the white man in power, leading from the pulpit. This guy is insufferable and incredibly divisive. Not even listening to the end. Yeah, Megan was EXTREMELY generous to him.

[@cat-bg3rv]

It is ironic that these progressive leaders in the evangelical world push the social justice gospel when it is The LORD who will Judge all things in the end speaking of Revelation. We are not called to stand side by side with the culture. We are called to be salt and light.

[@tabletalk33]

1Ti 1:19 holding faith and a good conscience, which some have put away and made shipwreck as to faith. J.D. and the SBC are a collective "shipwreck."

[@westyso.cal.8842]

Thank you Jon for taking on this project and doing such a thorough job in your research. Also, bless you for being such a good friend to Megan and standing up for truth.

[@lebenergy247]

I value these conversations and feel blessed

[@GarrettFemister]

We have just finished a RightNow video with JD, unfortunately, I didn’t see this video before the study was ending.

[@teafortwo9307]

Kind of frustrating. Bashams interveiew with Becket Cook a few weeks back before all the controversy came out was, in my opinion, one of the most interesting interviews. In fact... the controversy is not the most interesting parts of her book. Her interview with Beckett made me want to read it (havent yet), its such a shame that this is all thats being talkes about when the book as a whole seems to have much more substance to offer.

[@cubbie8330]

HAHAHA! Greear referred to David French as a conservative commentator!

[@marcsalyer9725]

Very helpful. Thank you.

[@asimon8313]

I am embarrassed for these men…their lack of wisdom and discernment. They are off mission and (sadly) are leading many astray.

[@tabletalk33]

Hos 4:12 "My people seek advice from their wooden idols, and their rod declares to them. For the spirit of harlotry has caused them to go astray, and they have gone lusting away from under their God." Sounds like J.D. has been listening to "wooden idols."

[@samknobeloch503]

Daggum. In Charleston, SC we still have at least 1.5 months until we get a little relief from the heat and humidity

[@mikemcknight4628]

Is Gavin Ortland not in the same camp as JDG? I’ve thought so for years.

[@Parks179-h]

I do not think so.

[@conceptualclarity]

Ortlund is not nearly overtly as bad as JD but he is a part-time shill for the Democrats. He is definitely an evangelical Left guy and is the son of an evangelical Left guy as well, but unlike most of the BigEva guys pushing the church leftward doesn't seem to be his main concentration. I am told that he does a lot of good apologetic work for Protestantism vis a vis Catholicism, and that is needed at this point in time.

[@greggpurviance7252]

Don't know, but whoever chooses Fuller is suspect

[@katherinecornette5315]

“Gospel issues “ 😳became a common concept

[@mikehoncho8962]

JD gave me a headache!!!

[@kbvaldez]

I went to my local Mardel's Christian Bookstore to pick up a paper copy of the book, needless to say it wasn't there. Please do a podcast on Christian Ministry vs Christian Industry, would like to hear your thoughts.

[@shannoncrawford7212]

Grew up in an IFCA church. Big part of my youth/growth was their Bible Quizzing program, going to the regional events and every summer going to their national youth conference.

[@outboardprsnlstndup]

Wow, i never realized what hot dumpster juice this guy pushed

[@conceptualclarity]

Dumpster juice is a great description of it

[@outboardprsnlstndup]

@@conceptualclarity thanks. It’s a good descriptor to use that doesn’t offend the overly sensitive eared as much. And if you live in places like florida or texas, or the south ,you can just picture it right away

[@theresemcnerney7961]

WMBI has him preaching and quite honestly I’m sick to death of his and others arrogant deliveries of there baloney.. this is the results of the psychology of the 70’s that entered the buildings they called church and now “campus”. Quit with the Culture business and preach the Gospel and preach sin, that is what you should do.. ugh phonies and this is why we cannot find a good church..WMBI wake up and look who you allow to preach and never vetted any of these sinners.. I want to hear the truth and so do Real Christians May we see repentance and humbleness or May we see these false teachers ousted , please.

[@jerilowehowell6015]

100%. Seeker-friendly nonsense led to this. Churches became Goat Farms and not a place for sheep to be fed. Christ will hold those "shepherds" accountable.

[@tabletalk33]

It's backsliding. Happened many times. Gal 4:9 But now, knowing God, but rather are known by God, how do you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements to which you again desire to slave anew?

[@kathleenhildebrand5356]

Greer uses David French????? He has lost his right to talk

[@tabletalk33]

How about using THE LORD as a source?? Jer 7:13 And now, because you have done all these works, says Jehovah, and I spoke to you, rising up early and speaking, but you did not hear; and I called you, but you did not answer; Jer 7:14 therefore I will do to this house, which is called by My name, in which you trust, and to the place which I gave to you and to your fathers, as I have done to Shiloh. Jer 7:15 And I will cast you out of My sight, as I have cast out all your brothers, the whole seed of Ephraim. Jer 7:16 Therefore do not pray for this people, nor lift up cry nor prayer for them, nor make intercession to Me; for I will not hear you.

[@ericknieves9136]

Minutes 7:20-8:00 is an insight and characterization equally applicable to some who accept "paradox". The duty to be consistent will have to be resurrected in this century. Until fundy principles are viewed as requiring consistency, this is an easy & well worn defense.

[@markwardell9269]

I’m thinking the exact same thing!! From Georgia!

[@TrueLightPublic]

Just wondering if Jen Wilkin actually said that God whispers about sexual sin in the Holy Scriptures? I can’t remember where, but I read that she denied it.

[@conceptualclarity]

She said the thing about we should whisper about what God whispers about in the Bible and shout about what God shouts about in the Bible. It sounds like JD is the one who added the God whispers about sectsyouall sin part. I would like to have that completely clarified by somebody who goes back to the Wikens original which I have not seen

[@marssionary]

She was whispering about his sermon and she didn’t go to town on him about it. So true! I hate the way these big Eva people talk about of both sides of their mouth. They’ve learned this gaslighting way of dealing with what they say from culture and it is maddening! GRRR!

[@tabletalk33]

They love the world, but not Christ's Kingdom. 2Ti 4:10 For Demas has forsaken me, having loved this present world, and he has departed to Thessalonica. Crescens went to Galatia, Titus to Dalmatia.

[@Jo-ji1yf]

My 12 year old son wants a handle bar moustache

[@marchosch3876]

Tell your son he needs to earn that privilege! LOL!!!

[@KarinAllison]

Jon... do NOT ...don a handle bar mustache.

[@dougmcminn9346]

All sexual activity outside of a marriage between a man and a woman is sin-, so thst includes adultery homosexual sin fornication masturbation etc - yes homosexual sin gets a lot of attention be v ause it thrives as socities decline in morality but you cant have a gay christian The thing thst is missing in aĺl these discussoons is repentance of sin sexual or otherwise

[@graysonbr]

I am not at all a Paige Patterson and to be honest found him teaching a works of the flesh theology. Then the Woke wind came in with men like Greenway and Greear. Totally another type of works of the flesh theology. The SBC desperately needs revival.

[@tabletalk33]

Joh 6:63 It is the Spirit that makes alive, the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit and are life.

[@DavidMoore-tm5wh]

I saw that Megan posted that "Christianity Today's leadership is encouraging Christians to vote for the most pro-abortion, morally disordered presidential ticket this nation has ever known." This, of course, is what candidate Trump said about abortion on Fox News: "Abortion is all about the will of the people. You must follow your heart, or in many cases your religion or your faith. Do what’s right for your family and do what’s right for yourself.” This, of course, is a strong pro-abortion/pro-choice statement. I don't need to describe the level of Trump's moral disorder. Everyone knows that. I didn't know that Christianity Today was encouraging people to vote for him either.

[@greggpurviance7252]

And... she is right

[@katherinecornette5315]

As far as the MeeToo thing, just look up his best friend Bruce Ashford because while he was acting all compassionate as Pres of SBC he was covering for his friend’s behavior

[@2wheelz3504]

Wasn't J. D. Greear recently the President of the SBC? Wasn't he their voice? Isn't that all one needs to know? If there is no more discernment than that among the messengers why does anyone think it is going to get better? Has anyone listened to the speakers platformed at the SEBTS or some of the faculty members at the SBTS? We hear the voice of Al Mohler, but in practice at his seminary there are those who advocate for what he preaches against. Should you leave the SBC? Maybe not. But you are urinating in the wind if you think the Convention is leaning right and going to listen to your voice. The left is strong and getting stronger. Much better to call it as it is than to put lipstick on the pig.

[@leadinged]

Greear has spent a huge amount of time trying to defend himself (and can't) 'The Lady Doth Protest Too Much, Methinks'

[@tabletalk33]

I think we can find a place for J.D. in this passage: Exo 32:8 They have turned aside quickly out of the way which I commanded them. They have made them a molten calf, and have worshiped it, and have sacrificed to it, and said, These are your gods, O Israel, who have brought you up out of the land of Egypt.

[@leadinged]

@@tabletalk33 yes that would be more biblical. Notice it is 'those that lead that you cause you to err my people'.

[@gregcowan7]

JD Greear is an intellectual peer to Kamala Harris

[@tabletalk33]

Pro 21:16 The man that wandereth out of the way of understanding shall remain in the congregation of the dead.

[@rinihogewoning6528]

It seems a lot of the pushback is coming from many who follow or worst case idolize these popular pastors caught in minor error or even repeated perpetual error. Regarding the disingenuous or super spiritually immature types, we can see the outworkings of 2 Tim 4:3 being played out here. Having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions. It seems in correlation, they will not only accumulate these teachers for themselves but also defend them to no limit, even in the face of evidence. I guess we need to remain hopeful that even if the Lord draws only a few pastors to repent or the Lord convicts a handful of people to seek a sound church by means of Megan's book, then the book was worth it. As much as these pastors are to be held accountable, they are the product of many who will not endure sound teaching, and they will be propped up as long as they continue to itch everyone's itching ears. I do feel bad for many under these compromising ministries who are genuine born again believers who are being misled or left undiscipled and spiritually starving. Hence why a book like Megan's is much needed.

[@tabletalk33]

2Ti 4:3 For a time will be when they will not endure sound doctrine, but they will heap up teachers to themselves according to their own lusts, tickling the ear.

[@dixiemitchell5990]

It is truly awful how they’re treating her on X

[@GarrettFemister]

JD does NOT speak for my faith as a Christian man. Sola Scriptura.

[@laurenkuo2333]

I get lost in the weeds with all these new terms. I was accused of being an anti racist and I thought that was a good thing. It meant that I was not a racist. I made the mistake of using my Latin. But apparently it means something bad. Enlighten me.

[@jacklawsen6390]

@@laurenkuo2333 Anti-racism means racism against an 'oppressor' race. An example of this would be rejecting job applications from white or asian men.

[@laurenkuo2333]

@jacklawsen6390 I thought that was reverse discrimination. Didn't know that was okay if I was discriminating against a so-called oppressor. Argh! I'm glad I live in Malaysia. We have our problems in a Muslim country but at least we all are very clear on which bathroom to use.

[@jacklawsen6390]

@@laurenkuo2333 That's alright, it's getting trickier to communicate these days when radicals are perverting language. A lot of us in the US are against this crazy stuff too, but our leaders have been weak, we've been lied to, and we've been complacent and disorganized while our enemies have been systematically tearing things down.

[@GarrettFemister]

Well, then, you’re not in Texas. Because we got another month and a half of sweltering heat.

[@timothymcdonald7407]

JD is just so obnoxious. I believe he talks so fast that half the time he don’t know what the hell he be saying. JD is just another arrogant self righteous religious lecturer. Sorry.

[@cat-bg3rv]

😆

[@conceptualclarity]

I think force-feeding of listening to his sermons would probably be a pretty effective tactic in breaking me down if I were a POW

[@shannontederoff246]

Wow, his words tell the story. Does he recognize and call out their sin?

[@genericbrand87]

@conversationsthatmatter the only thing wrong with a handlebar mustache is that you have to shave your beard to obtain one!

[@tabletalk33]

Greear doesn't say it in so many words, and it is a bit tedious to cut through the thicket of his lengthy rhetoric, but, to put it in legal terms, "by the preponderance of the evidence," one may conclude that J.D. Greear IS encouraging, i.e., arguing for, his congregation to minimize speaking about homosexual sin. His schema for "gradations" of sin is completely arbitrary, unscriptural, disingenuous, and preposterous. In a word, his MO is "gaslighting." Gaslighting is a tactic in which a person or entity, in order to gain more power, makes a victim question their reality. Gaslighters know that people like having a sense of stability and normalcy. Their goal is to uproot this and make you constantly question everything. And humans' natural tendency is to look to the person or entity that will help you feel more stable-and that happens to be the gaslighter. The term "gaslighter" would appear to fit J.D. Greear to a tee. As you stated, DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS MAN!

[@shawnmason8543]

Romans one is pretty loud about homosexuality. Jesus didn’t speak to it much at all because Jesus was speaking to the Jewish people who had a law to stone homosexuals. So there probably wasn’t a lot of if any homosexuality being flaunted in the Jewish world at that time.

[@MH-uh3hw]

In minute 53 JD still wasn’t woke enough😂😂😂.

[@meritorioussir9129]

Well I go ro Summit but I haven't become a member yet. J.D. is a great communicator who often miscommunicates in favor of the religious left. It's really tough being a Christian nationalist postmill theonomist there haha. It's okay though, Christ is going to finish winning the world anyways despite these dorks trying to appeal with godless tactics to win the godless. "You shall not hate your fellow countryman in your heart; you may certainly rebuke your neighbor, but you are not to incur sin because of him." -Leviticus 19:17 Maybe if I see him i'll tell him to stop being a dork like how Tim Keller use to be haha.

[@conceptualclarity]

Woke evangelicals like JD are as mean as rattlesnakes when somebody crosses them, so there is no use in having daydreams about correcting him. You can see that very plainly in one instance where he called people who left his church "the synagogue of Satan". Good luck in finding a better church. If you wait for JD to turn around I think you will wait a long time. I have not seen it happen with a single one of these guys who has been pushing the church in the wrong direction.

[@jerilowehowell6015]

Can you not find a true church where you can fellowship? That cannot be the only church in the area.

[@katherinecornette5315]

Cuz God needs Greear’s help to choose His Bride! 😬

[@StayInTheWord]

Curious…Do you consider JD a brother in Christ or a heretic?

[@craig3540]

You obviously don't live in Texas.... lol

[@kimpina5846]

🙋🏻‍♀️ Over here surviving TX heat!

[@hokieham]

Doug Meeks ain’t too bright.

[@williewiner4161]

Can woman be Deacon’s in a church. I think they should not , but is it ok?

[@conceptualclarity]

No. You have 1 Timothy 2:12 against women exercising authority over men in the church which is corroborated by 1 Corinthians 14:34 where it says women in the church " should be in submission as the Law also says" (ESV). In the early church it's mentioned in the Didache how they had deaconesses, but the deaconesses were not serving alongside men as members of some board of deacons governing the church. They were assigned tasks of ministering to other women including serving communion and visitation. I would say that it would be inadvisable to appoint a woman as a deacon under those circumstances today because it would cause confusion and foster error in people hearing and saying: "Oh they've got women deacons; therefore it must be okay for women to be in authority in the local church." So I would say that if you want to appoint women for tasks with other women, find some other way to designate them.

[@grumpyboomer]

What exactly molds LGBTQetc into a community?

[@conceptualclarity]

Politics

[@outboardprsnlstndup]

@@grumpyboomer approving of and celebrating eachother’s sins, i would imagine

[@arepadetrigo]

Their attraction, practice, promotion, and defense of sexual perversion.

[@AaronThinks]

Do you think retiring the gavel was s bad thing? Are you of the opinion that any idea thst aligns with a liberal agenda is a bad idea?

[@arepadetrigo]

Pretty much.

[@AaronThinks]

@@arepadetrigo why was retiring the gavel a bad thing?

[@jerilowehowell6015]

@@AaronThinks How was it a good thing?

[@EmWarEl]

I disagree with you on the matter of Ortlund's treatment in the book by Basham. She was demonstrably misleading, and I am sad that this is being defended. As with David Barton's book on America that had to be pulled by Thomas Nelson, Christians seem to have a very difficult time insisting on accuracy in particulars when an author has the overall narrative correct. It's not pedantic or nitpicky to demand accuracy, even in an otherwise great book She should apologize and correct the next printing, not double down.

[@LourensBrink]

Comparing what she wrote and what people actually said makes it hard to justify the book. She misrepresented/misquoted many people. Also, only two of the topics in the book can be considered to be genuine Christian stances. The rest are cultural issues which are not held universally by all Christians living outside the US. What makes this book problematic is that if it really was about Christianity, then it would not be so US-centric. If we are to follow her logic, then all Christians holding to a contrarian view have been bought, manipulated, or misled by the left.

[@prosperotempest8606]

" it's so much fluff" You literally did not say one relevant thing until 6 minutes into this video. That's 6 minutes of my life I will never get back.

[@Josh-qo7yd]

I probably agree with 95% of Megan’s book. The problem I have is that she is a woman and the Church is giving her a place of authority. Still and interesting video and I do like Jon Harris

[@colinplank]

In what sense would you say she is being given authority? She has reported on facts and is being treated like any other journalist where people are looking to the evidence she cites rather than taking her word for it.

[@Josh-qo7yd]

@@colinplank she is providing her opinion and wisdom, then people are taking it as guidance on how to view the misgivings of people like JD Greear. How is that not looking to her as a source of authority? She is speaking these “facts” into the Church and calling out preachers on errors. We cannot get away with putting women in positions of authority over t he Body of Christ by calling them “reporters”. What happened to “women should remain silent”…?

[@jerilowehowell6015]

@Josh-qo7yd She is not teaching Scripture in the church. This is ripped from context to apply where I does not. This does not mean women cannot write books or warn the church as a reporter to beware of these organizations.

[@Josh-qo7yd]

@@jerilowehowell6015 what context am i missing here? Do you really think that all the times Paul is instructing women to remain silent and not take authority over a man nor teach that it is only on Sunday morning, night or Wednesday evening (or whenever your church meets to hear the scriptures get taught) is the only thing Paul is speaking to? If Megan writes a book to/for he Church and someone “learns” from that book how is this not putting herself in a place of authority (i.e. teaching). If the book is written for the Church audience and it discusses scripture, how in God’s green earth is this not taking authority over a man? Especially is she is discussing things about certain so called “Pastors” erroneous teachings? Notice how in this response, Jon shows a video that Megan does not address. In the video JD Greear went off into lala land about a ton of woke things but he also spoke about women being looked to for wisdom. Wonder why Megan doesn’t cover this? Maybe because she realizes this is error but hopes no one will notice. Also, how is this in line with what Paul is saying in 1 Corinthians 14 and 1 Timothy 2, to name a couple of scriptures? If you think that Paul is only talking about actual physical church gatherings where the Bible is taught or something weird like that, I am not sure I am the one ripping it out of context.

[@Ransetsu]

Greer sounds like a lady.

[@Akasamson]

This is a very boring podcast. This guy is not a skilled orator or expositor. 😢😢😢😢

[@Jack-eo5fn]

If we always start from a literal reading of the Bible, we can never understand what the lessons of the Hebrew and Christian Bibles actually mean. Jewish biblical scholars say the OT is a collection of myths and legends from prior cultures and religions, like the Flood Story (Gilgamesh was before Noah), the laws of Moses (Sargon and Hammurabi were before Moses), etc., so the meaning of these ancient myths are universal to all humanity. They were never intended for a specific religion like Judaism. Same with values and beliefs borrowed by Israel from prior cultures. It’s all they had at the time so they believed what they heard from other cultures and religions. It’s incorrect to think Israel’s views on sex, or Israel’s beliefs about animal sacrifices, came from Yahweh. They came from prior religions. We must think about this before we assume that our God wrote the Bible.

[@sherrihamptonmusic]

I don't know about your god, but my God is clear about the Scriptures. 2Tim.3:16--"All Scripture is breathed out by God..." See the documentary "Is Genesis History?" - it explains the strength and reliability of the Scriptures very well. Some is historical narrative, some is poetry, some is prophetic, etc. All of Scripture is God-breathed.

[@Jack-eo5fn]

@@sherrihamptonmusic I agree with that, but where we disagree is “which gods?” Example: in 1,750 BC the god Shamus told Hammurabi to climb the mountain and receive the law that the god wrote on stone. So Hammurabi climbed the mountain and received the laws of his god Shamus. Then 500 years LATER Moses climbed his mountain (Mt Sinai) and received the laws from his god whom he called Yahweh. Then as we know, in a fit of anger Moses busted the tablets on his way back down his mountain. No one has ever seen the stone tablets of Moses. No one. But think about this: everyone can still see the stone column of Hammurabi from 1750 BC with the laws engraved in the basalt rock. It has been perfectly preserved for almost 4,000 years. In fact it can be seen today in the Louvre Museum of Paris. The stone column is called “The Stele of Laws of Hammurabi.” This is no secret. Every educated lawyer knows it. Hammurabi and his laws are actually sculpted into the walls of the Supreme Court of the United States. Next to Hammurabi on the sculpture stands Moses who received his laws from Yahweh 500 years after Hammurabi died. So yes the narratives and poetry of the Bible are God-breathed by the gods of early civilizations. No credible scholar thinks the book of Genesis is “historical.” No way. It consists of powerful myths and stories passed down from earlier civilizations. Even the great story of Noah’s Ark was first written over 1,000 years before the Bible. It’s still preserved today. It’s the oldest children’s story in human history. It’s called “The Epic of Gilgamesh.” It’s found on the 11th tablet of the collection. It’s the same story we later called Noah’s Ark.

[@outboardprsnlstndup]

@@Jack-eo5fnwell, it’s good that random internet man is here to correct thousands of years of biblical scholarship

[@Jack-eo5fn]

@@outboardprsnlstndup , I don’t want you to be uncomfortable or to feel threatened in your faith. That’s not my point. But you’re not correct when you say I’m trying to “correct thousands of years of Biblical scholarship.” Sorry but nope. My thesis at seminary was based on the history of early civilizations before Israel. That’s where Israelites got their legends and myths which they later (circa 586 BC) compiled into the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament). If you’re at all curious you can find a lot of the same information today on the Internet if you stick only with credentialed scholars in ancient history. Didn’t you ever wonder how nations before Israel kept from killing each other, or stealing or lying in court about their neighbors? If you’ve got a brain, which obviously you do, then of course you’re silently curious about the origins of biblical laws, stories and events. Where did they come from? You can start with the cities and nations of Mesopotamia, long before Israel. Look up the king of Akkad named Sargon. He created the first laws in 2023 BC. Spoiler - Moses is said to have lived around 1,200 BC which is over 1,000 years after king Sargon of Akkad. What were Sargon’s laws? “Do not murder or harm your neighbor, do not steal, do not lie about your neighbor in court, you shall do no injustice in the market place such as cheating a man out of his financial reward for his hard work, you shall provide for widows and children who have no money for daily food, etc. So now you ask, where did Sargon get his laws for the nation of Akkad in 2,300 BC. Thanks for asking! Sargon said his laws came from his God, called Ashur. So you ask, did the god Ashur anoint Sargon to be king of Akkad so he would deliver holy laws to this early civilization? Yep. Sargon was protected by his god as an infant. His god hid him in a basket of reeds and bitumen and floated him down the river as an infant. His basket came to rest in the tall grass next to the palace. Sound familiar? A servant from the palace rescued the baby from the water. He raised him in the palace to be a royal son because the king at that time had no son. Thus, baby Sargon grew up to become king of the Akkadian nation, and to deliver god’s first laws to the earliest civilization of Akkad. Later those same laws were expanded upon, improved, and written down in stone by Hammurabi who gave them to his people on a stone column in 1,750 BC. The stone was preserved and, as I say, it’s on display today at the Louvre in Paris. I’ve seen it twice. The stone is 8 feet tall and carved in the shape of a finger. Yes, it’s the divine finger of the god Shamus with the 132 laws inscribed around the finger. I know there are photos of it if you Google “Hammurabi’s code of laws.” It won’t hurt you to look. Anyway, then Moses was said to be born around 500 years after Hammurabi died. Moses expanded on the laws of Hammurabi to 613 laws for Israel. So that’s where our laws came from - from all 3 law givers: King Sargon of Akkad, King Hammurabi of Babylon, and Moses of Israel, in that order. Notice I have not mentioned the Bible. My emphasis is on the civilizations and legends BEFORE the Bible was written.

[@outboardprsnlstndup]

@@Jack-eo5fn lol, dont worry, i dont feel threatened by college philosophy class talking points at all