Responding To KJVonlyism's Historical Mythology

[@dylanmilks]

Awesome analysis Dr White. I'm seeing that KJonlyism is quite ridiculous!

[@the1der]

Erasmus did study and compare thousands of manuscripts 😅 yeah, and he also divinely lived to be 366 years old in order to do so hahaha. Love when Dr White gets to laugh thru many of tge vids he analyzes. Im laughing along, too

[@winburna852]

Sinaiticus and Vaticanus were written by Wescott-Hort. (Head smack on table)

[@souzajustin19d]

I may belive Calvinist are crazy, but Dr. White thank you for your work. You are truly scholar and a man of God.

[@paul.etedder2439]

Calvinist are telling the truth of scripture nothing crazy about that .

[@souzajustin19d]

@@paul.etedder2439 every branch says that about them selves. That's not very convincing.

[@northerngardening2585]

@@souzajustin19d meh

[@freeagent4503]

@@souzajustin19d Calvinism is a lie as is Arminianism - you simply don't believe your Bible. Romans 8: 28-30 And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. 29For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the first-born among many brethren; 30and whom He predestined, these He also called; and whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

[@Bl_Radio]

​@@freeagent4503bruh... relax...

[@tylerbuckner3750]

You can tell when people are arguing with Google notes pulled up. Dr. White never has to glance off-screen to read the party line script. Telling…

[@CharlesSeraphDrums]

Also every single Orthodox watching this just lost the plot: Saint Catherine’s Monastery is one of the crown jewels besides Mount Athos, the Church of the Resurrection in Jerusalem, and the Kiev Caves Lavra of Orthodox monasticism? Catholic monastery? I really don’t think so. This young man also conflates so many things that his presentation sounds like Sam Gipp and Kent Hovind spawned some gremlin.

[@nicobrits5111]

He knows about Erasmus. Was speaking to an IFB pastor a while ago he had no idea who Erasmus was. Vaticanus is from a Catholic library but where did Erasmus got his manuscripts from?

[@Bl_Radio]

He knows of the NAME Erasmus. If you know about Erasmus, you wouldn't say some of those things about the actual, historical figure, Erasmus.

[@jamestrotter3162]

Don't forget the MEV. It's also based on the TR.

[@davidbrock4104]

Agreed. I like the MEV. Hoping they update it but I like it.

[@Bl_Radio]

I al.ost feel like White is punching down on a poor guy who has limited faculties. 😂

[@BiblicalStudiesandReviews]

0:44 he misspeaks there. That edition is Greek. It only has an English preface.

[@Dwayne_Green]

Not sure who Dr. White is commenting on, but judging by the other guy's use of vocabulary it sounds like he doesn't know what he's talking about!

[@razzledazzle1462]

Does anyone have a link to the video that Dr. White is responding to?

[@mike1967sam]

Well fortunately I do have one good thing about me which is the fact that I am a polyglot, I speak English like an American, Portuguese like a Portuguese man and French like a french man for reasons having to do with my life and I did have 2 years of Latin at university. But let's say I only spoke Portuguese or I only spoke french, this means I could not receive the word of God because I couldn't understand English? O come on ... King James Onlyism is absurd. O yeah BTW way I did say Portuguese and I do live about a hundred miles from Fatima but I am not Catholic. Just wanted to get that straight.

[@historiamagistravitest9720]

Nolite mentiri! 🤮🤢 Non potui nec ullam perspecta habere cur homines vitam fictam post computatrum vivant😴😴. Non mirum, obducto purpureo tuo tam inscrutabili ineffabili😔😞. Tibi deditus esto🤨🤷🏼‍♂️😂😂🤡🤡. Greetings from Tuscany. I would reply in italiani but You wouldn't be able to understand though. God bless and remember: ALL protesters( "protestants") are nothing but heretics bound to gehinnom. Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus👍🏼🙏🏼😊

[@sovereigngrace9723]

@@historiamagistravitest9720 outside of Christ…*^

[@jamestrotter3162]

This guy probably thinks the Septuagint was written by Origen in Alexandria!

[@isaacleillhikar4566]

I hate to say it, but he might have got it from Kent Hovind. And i think he is a mix of misshearing and missremembering.

[@wretch1]

Link to that video?

[@pjbostic]

I am genuinely trying to watch this to learn and see the other side, but his arrogance (and his misrepresenting) is making it difficult for me to want to give him my time.

[@craigime]

Shouldn't even take him seriously

[@provokingthought9964]

A sincere question to anyone who knows, which better represents the byzantine text type: kjv, nkjv, or something like the esv, or nasb?

[@jordyE..]

I’m not a textual scholar.. but I imagine the NKJV, the main text is based of the TR, with the M-Text and CT in the footnotes, if you pay attention to the m-text footnotes you’ll by seeing the big picture of the Byzantine text and where it deviates from the TR.

[@BiblicalStudiesandReviews]

The KJV and NKJV. They are both based on the Textus Receptus. The ESV and NASB are more Alexandrian (using the older terminology). The Textus Receptus is about 98% Byzantine in nature.

[@provokingthought9964]

@@BiblicalStudiesandReviews could you point me to a resource where I could see such a percentage outlined or discussed?

[@BiblicalStudiesandReviews]

@@provokingthought9964 sure! I have a video I’ve made on the subject. Here kzbin.info/www/bejne/nIu0eqStacuZhqM. There is a book recommendation there too.

[@provokingthought9964]

@@BiblicalStudiesandReviews thanks

[@berglen100]

Imagination is the only God in man, Saul was classic reader that needed historic belief, Devine Allegory is for what happens in you called Jesus you think was historic outside events. Paul knew where he woke inside him.

[@ly257]

Ah..... HUH?

[@geno4god]

Where do they get such astonishing ignorant "TR - KJV" adepts? 😂

[@shawnstephens6795]

In my opinion...when "scholars" decided to remove this verse because "its not in the oldest and best manuscripts" it was a deal breaker. I'm not KJVO...but whenever I open a "modern translation" I know "I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God" has been removed. And no amount of reasoning from James White will convince me that that's ok. Acts 8:37 [a]Then Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.” And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”

[@aperson4057]

Do you have any evidence this is part of the original text? This is what textual criticism does to discover what the original says and its most likely that this is a variant to try to explain what the eunuch believed. This isn’t a denial of any Christian doctrine to not have this text, simply a variant

[@nickhanley5407]

Amen brotha, same for me when it comes to the longer ending of Mark. I accept it by faith, not by scholarly reasoning.

[@aperson4057]

@@nickhanley5407 so the scholarly reasoning, both Christians and not affirm that most likely the longer ending is not original to Mark. There is actually 3 longer endings of Mark with the oldest manuscripts not having any

[@shawnstephens6795]

@@aperson4057 ...Scholarly reasoning will lead you to believe that the Torah was compiled by editors from several different sources during the exile in Babylon...if you go digging around for "evidence" of texts...you can dig your way right out of Christianity all together.

[@hondotheology]

so no matter what the original manuscripts say, you don't care because you're accustomed to the KJV and that's the standard. ok dude

[@jcol317]

So a fruity cross dressing king in a wig and pantaloons creates a bible version, names it after himself and 400 yrs later a bunch of folks think thats the only holy bible? Sounds like a spell to me

[@zippy0n942]

Are you American? Because you’re clearly demonstrating your lack of history when it comes to the English bible

[@jcol317]

@@zippy0n942 not making any claims about bible history, im making claims about the narcissistic fruity king for whom that bible is named. Im specifically attacking his character and sexuality based on the available paintings and the fact that the bible he commissioned is named after him. It doesn't matter if he wanted his name on the bible, it only matters that it is. A mans name in the title of a bible is blasphemous.

[@Mic1904]

I mean, pretty much. Also, the head of the Episcopacy and the English Church (a pseudo-pope position), overseeing his Episcopalian Anglican translators. Now the Bible of Independent Baptists.

[@bastionofthefaith92]

King James was a masonic homosexual

[@josephp9747]

Check out Adam Nicholson doc on KZbin on the KJB. It is about 60 min. Adam lives/born in England. Best Regards, 2 John 1:6 ☝️ PS: it is the bbc video

[@jamessheffield4173]

Read the End of Mark by John William Burgon.

[@gch8810]

Burgon is about a hundred years behind the scholarship when it comes to the text of the Bible.

[@jamessheffield4173]

@@gch8810 Burgon said there was no Lucianic recension, scholars now agree, so Burgon was years ahead of his time.

[@mresab1997]

This video isn’t valuable because it rebuts opposition to non-Apostolic bibles-it doesn’t in the slightest. It’s valuable because it demonstrates “KJVO” is a proper misnomer for well-meaning people who haven’t dug deep enough. And consequently, JW publicly chews them up. The Antioch-based text is still superior to what JW has done and has said in the matter.

[@Rhantismos23]

Please show me how you know any manuscript is from Antioch?

[@mresab1997]

@@Rhantismos23 LOL

[@Rhantismos23]

@@mresab1997 so you can’t? Antioch based text with no manuscripts from Antioch. Codex Vaticanus is from Antioch and it’s based on the Antioch text

[@mresab1997]

@@Rhantismos23 hahahaha

[@mresab1997]

Here you go: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qpOtZGaYraehjaM

[@billyr9162]

There is only one TR. There's 4 editions and they're basically the same.

[@indigatorveritatis8891]

Which TR?

[@provokingthought9964]

Editions. Edit-ions. Differences? Few. But different. Therefore, multiple TRs. Which hurts the kjv only position I would think. This is exasperated I think by the KJV having had its own edit-ions.

[@billyr9162]

@@provokingthought9964 That's right. The differences are a few. It's basically the same text.

[@billyr9162]

@@indigatorveritatis8891 That there's only one.

[@indigatorveritatis8891]

@@billyr9162 You realize that Erasmus did multiple versions and not a single one matches any Greek text perfectly, right?

[@FormerTrucker]

Look im a KJV only for me, this attack on KJV is not good,, That book has influenced more lives then any bible on the planet including my life. I know its the Word of God I learned about Jesus through that book about the Gospel and the life of Christ my savior, that book has comforted me in very bad times and when I read it I know in my soul in my spirit that its Gods Word and I understand it and feel the love of God and the correction of God at times when my eyes explore its pages. I have friends that use the NIV and the ESV and do not deny their salvation they understand and believe the Gospel just as much as I do.

[@Mic1904]

No one denies the significance and validity of the King James Bible or wants you to stop using it. James grew up on the KJV. I grew up with, and use the KJV. Our personal feelings on not wanting to give the KJV a hard time because we have an emotional attachment to it is not an excuse to ignore and not challenge dangerous, idolatrous, mythological, divisive teachings from the most extreme KJV-Onlyist cults. God bless!

[@jordandthornburg]

He really didn’t attack it man, he just attacked the falsehoods in the video.

[@davidbrock4104]

I grew up on the KJV and still use it, just not exclusively. I do prefer the TR over the Critical Text, therefore I use the NKJV and MEV more than other translations. A good translation that came about recently is the LSV or Literal Standard Version which is an update of the YLT or the Young's Literal Translation.

[@FormerTrucker]

Alright let me be clear my Bible the King James I consider it to be infallible inerrant and without contradiction I believe that it is divinely inspired because otherwise what is the point it's just another book otherwise. And that's what everybody should believe about the Bible that they use but I don't get that from people from folks that use the ESV or the NIV or other translations. And I've talked to about 10 people over the past not many. Mostly I'm talking to people with the Hebrew roots or whether or not the Rapture will occur before or after the tribulation I have talked to preterists. And I will say it's very interesting

[@Mic1904]

@@FormerTrucker "my Bible the King James I consider it to be infallible inerrant and without contradiction ... that's what everybody should believe about the Bible that they use but I don't get that from people from folks that use the ESV or the NIV or other translations." Here's the problem, Steven. That's not the view that the King James translators had. That's not the view that, to be honest, any Christian translator or scholar had for most of history. They believed that the original autographs of the Hebrew and Greek Scriptures were the inspired, infallible, inerrant Word of God - and that they were TRANSLATING those Scriptures into a functional translation for the common man in the common tongue. They did not believe that their translational work itself was inerrant and infallible. The belief that the KJV translation itself is the inerrant and inspired Word of God (not merely a human translation) is a very modern, anachronistic belief that has sprung up, primarily American in origin. Saying you believe something that ESV and NIV readers don't doesn't actually make what you believe to be true. I could say, 'I believe the KJV could sprout wings and fly, I don't see ESV and NIV readers believing that'. That doesn't actually make it true, though. Given its conservative heritage, a vast number of ESV readers (and probably some NIV readers, lol...) believe the Bible to be the inspired and inerrant Word of God, of which theirs is a translation - just like the King James translators believed all those years ago.