(Reupload) Creationism isn't Science! Forrest Valkai + Gutsick Gibbon Erika SkepTalk 08.14.23

[@TelephoneProduction1]

Jimmy, these two need their own show. Who else wants these two to have their own show?

[@zachreads]

Who's Jimmy? (Joke)

[@rostamanFoSho]

They won't keep coming back if Jimmy keeps telling them how many 'loops' they can go in.

[@johnbell6114]

Regarding climate change, the history of the planet shows that massive volcanic eruptions cause climate change. Last 100 years of humans carbon production, minimal, not world changing. But, I agree, walk, ride a bicycle, quit building carbon producing factories, etc.

[@zachreads]

@@johnbell6114 mass extinctions

[@joelpartee594]

​@@johnbell6114 A carbon producing factory would be very impressive. Mostly, we just use carbon that was produced by supernovae.

[@scottpayne7862]

Putting these two on the same call line is like causing a nuclear reaction

[@PalmBalms]

kinda like an explosion of 🤯knowledge

[@dorememe8548]

A match made… on Earth. 🧠

[@kiss_my_arse]

A farting nuclear reaction lol

[@jexelbur6872]

Fission or fusion?

[@craaab____721]

@@jexelbur6872 FUUUUSSSSIIIIIOOOOONNNNN

[@billysnooze6608]

We desperately need more shows with these two, they're the actual dream team

[@garrybooker]

On the very first SkepTalk, I sent a superchat suggesting Erika and Forrest so a show together. Superchats really do come true. 😂

[@ralph17p]

Billysnooze... dream team. I see what you did there.

[@genXstream]

lol at one point during James's call, I shouted, "SHUT! UP!" just as Jimmy yelled out "Stop interrupting, James!" I moved Jimmy with my mind, obviously.

[@mathdesm9306]

15 minutes debunking videos just don't do it for me anymore, I need a 6 hrs dual host deep dive into quackery. You guys broke me.

[@PalmBalms]

🤭

[@alexanderingraham8255]

lol that’s tough addiction to have

[@ajdean2974]

S.a.m.e.

[@Daddyoh94]

5:51:35 The re-upload made it slightly more difficult to find, but i love when Erika starts the GJY and Forrest loses it. Birth of a meme

[@neutralseife8419]

Please someone has to clip this xD

[@silverwing4153]

If Forrest or Erika wanna have a 3 hour long video where they just talk about what ever i would watch that.

[@DuetJay]

Me too, two people just geeking out over stuff they're passionate about.

[@bryanaperry8760]

Same. I am not a person that did well in science at school (but I was taught Abeka creationist science so probably for the best) but these 2 make it genuinely interesting. Their passion makes it really fun. If I had these guys as teachers, I probably would've done better.

[@ALittleBitOfGay]

​@@bryanaperry8760I had a similar experience with Apologia "science", though in my 3rd year of highschool I changed to a different curriculum which wasn't creationist. Everything completely changed and I actually cared about what I was learning because of how fascinating it was. When you are learning real stuff, it's way more interesting.

[@Johnmhatheist]

It's a shame Jimmy won't let them because he needs the glory.

[@Eyrie007]

Imagine getting into a situation where you might fight Forrest in a bar and he mentions that he can skin a human cadaver very quickly. I'd be both terrified and incredibly intrigued.

[@Aliyah_666]

I'm just impressed lol...

[@hank_says_things]

You two monkeys together is a critical mass of critical thinking

[@Nava9380]

Apes, not monkeys.

[@MeDecade]

The world needs many more people like Forrest Valkai.

[@craftinghome]

Regarding James from Canada and his experiments....it reminds me of an old story about a very old building, used as a hotel, where a chair mysteriously moves from the corner by the window to the middle of the floor overnight. They insist it's spooky, ghost activity etc but ignore the fact that the narrow, cobbled street is pedestrianised during the day but open to delivery vehicles at night. So vibrations from vehicles can be transmitted through the building and cause things to move, very slowly.

[@Michae89]

There is a statue in Manchester Museum that rotates by itself for the same reason.

[@kingdomgnark]

"as the last call" *3.5 hours left ... what am I signed up for?

[@confusingzeus8921]

Lucifer rebells against God gets sent to hell then you disobey God and get sent to hell to be tortured by Lucifer? Someone has to be lying here.

[@1007usmc]

Nice u notice that

[@umaiar]

Two of my favorite apes for 7 hours. I'm definitely doing this in smaller chunks, but definitely going to savor every morsel.

[@DavidEllis94]

They're two very modern apes, as well!

[@fopish]

Fuck it, I don't need any sleep. I'll listen to this again, it's that good 👍

[@jaymorgan7728]

Sleep is for the weak!

[@paulbrandel5980]

The firmament is another point that shows the Bible is nothing special

[@philarmstrong3765]

@@jaymorgan7728 Agreed. Useless downtime that only serves to keep you from going insane.

[@fopish]

​@@philarmstrong3765exactly, useless

[@PalmBalms]

LOL hell yea wrap a fatty and watch it again!

[@utes5532]

I feel like James' plan to promote his documentary didn't go quite as planned

[@pinball1970]

"i wouldn't choose cataract surgery to reveal myself as god" Brilliant.

[@eljison]

In Jacqueline's mind, her testimony IS the reason why she believes. This is a big hurdle to get over on both sides of the conversation. The caller believes BECAUSE she is convinced that the God who created the universe, took the time out of his busy schedule to personally help her out of her problems and made her life better. Skeptics say that is not a good reason, but to her, it is a GOOD reason, it is the BEST reason, and often, it is the ONLY reason. Everything else mentioned is secondary because it does not affect her personally. This is frustrating for both sides. Forrest, I have been an educator for a long time as well, I understand your approach, but realize that we are not going to reach everyone. There is a time when we hit a wall and we need to recognize that and let it go. Then hope that we have planted the seeds of doubt which may sprout later, and another person may sow the fruit of our labor.

[@lexsavage3311]

Well said. Its... so rough hearing a good mother and a good person like Jacqueline defending someone like her God. But it happens too often.

[@heinz57channel39]

The call with Jacqueline pissed me off so bad but also made me sad. So indoctrinated. I might have held her feet to the fire a little more.

[@digbycrankshaft7572]

I think you mean REAP the fruit of our labour.

[@simplybaker.]

By far my favorite pair. I think they do a really good job making people feel comfortable to share their ideas but also confident and ready to shred faulty ideas

[@markharrison6498]

Was not expecting to hear the phrase “slut for water” lmao

[@kyleepratt]

😳

[@wadehathawaymusic]

Erika is so polite and positive. Forrest is brilliant. Jimmy is...well Jimmy is Jimmy. Lol. Love to all 3.

[@cyrussoxlegion]

There are unfortunately, in my experience too many idiots who think climate change and the rise in oceanic temperatures is primarily due to factors external to human activity, such as solar cycles, and underwater volcanoes. I'm not kidding.

[@LaurenElizabethYT]

“The climate always changes!” Is a like I often hear from those types 😣

[@tasa2389]

I’m SO excited Erika is on the Line now!! These two are my favorite, besides Jimmy ofc ❤

[@Shuhannazy]

Two of my fav creators, how am i just now seeing this

[@john-cc7ul]

1:36:15 is the highlight of this show! erika: welcome back forrest, we're talking about psycho-kinesis here... forrest: oh fuck!

[@jurpo100]

I admire the way Erika and Forrest handled Jaquiline's call. I could almost feel her pausing to think for half a second at times, but then she started repeating the sermon phrases like a broken record. And I can honestly understand her. It's extremely difficult to think independently and fight those thought stoppers if you're indoctrinated. I have experienced it myself. (Also this line made me laugh: "I watched 10000 children starve to death and I was like: 'oh fuck, well what are you gonna do' [shrugs his shoulders]") Anyway, I just wanted to say. Good job Forrest and Erika.

[@the_eaglefan]

Jacqueline believes in a monster but doesn't see it.

[@dldietz82]

My question to Wes would have been... how did the blind man know what trees looked like when describing what he was able to see after Jesus spit in his eyes?

[@comrade-princesscelestia4907]

There are many ways to go blind after being able to see for a long time, like cataracts as the caller mentioned... Unfortunately for the caller the first cataract surgeries were performed in the 5th century BC in nearby India so people absolutely would know what it's like

[@reichstein011]

Kinda funny how the right when he was talking about climate change, the show experienced de-Forrestation :)

[@whereDoCarrotsComeFrom]

Good one!

[@aechmaydostuff]

Cheers to Jimmy making sure James from Canada didn't keep bulldozing Erika

[@13shadowwolf]

Jacquelin's beliefs lead to several direct contradictions. If she believes in heaven, and thinks that anyone that never hears about heaven goes there directly; then ending the existence of a baby is the most "morally good" action you could commit. As soon as everyone is born, just kill them and express ticket to heaven. If Jacquelin thinks she would go to heaven right at this moment, then killing her is "morally correct" because you prevent her from sinning and force her soul into heaven. Her beliefs directly support heaven-justified killings; this is not "murder" because murder is unjustified killing, whereas heaven-justified killings are the most moral act. If god functions outside spacetime, and people who give deathbed confessions go to heaven; then god already knows which serial killers are going to heaven before they commit any murders. Her god has already forgiven some serial killers, while they are murdering someone; maybe god uses serial killers to send specific people to heaven, so it could too be justified under her beliefs. Jacquelin's god concept is broken on basically every level it can be examined. She worships a clearly evil deity, and she defines obedience to this evil god as "good"; her entire moral system is backwards.

[@keniag5]

I could watch this duo all day every day.

[@jinnijenny]

When Forrest had his super patriotic american spiel, I lost it. I have watched it back so many times. LOVE YOU FORREST (and Erica!)

[@crumbtember]

Not because it was actually patriotic right? Rather, cause it was anarchist-humanist-libertarian-socialist or something like that? Cause it seems you might be insinuating something else....

[@VanHalenIsolated]

18:12 lmao! I love Erika so much! This is so funny when she’s concerned and then Jimmy runs up to tell her she’s the only one left. It’s survival of the fittest Erika! You win lol. Also, if you want to know, calls start around 41:33

[@suzannescribbles]

"I picked pink because it's the color of viscera" LOLOL 🤣

[@CheezChopper]

At 04:48:00 I just have to say: I respect you Jimmy for hosting this show but you're utterly wrong. I NEVER watch these shows (and yes I do watch trans-atlantic) for the "haha gottem" feeling. I hate seeing people upset or angry. Forrest did exactly what a good educator does. Your impression of how bad people are (viewers like me) is incorrect but also hurtful to people like me. I want Jaqueline to be happy on her own terms. Not for the sake of glorifying a god. I like Forrest, because he is a real genuine person. He is living proof of a good person imo. And yes, you have problems recognizing your own virtues of good sides, but when you compared Jaqueline to yourself as in: I did that when I believed, YES! And you changed eventually. Because you think critically, and you are good. Whether you hate that or not. Forrests 14 rounds was nice to hear because I understand not understanding something because the angle is too difficult for me. Him giving more angles is just... nice. Anyway yea. It pissed me off a little I guess but I probably misheard or misinterpreted what you said.

[@ALittleBitOfGay]

I like Jimmy but I suspect he (and myself!) Both had someone do exactly what Forrest did for Jacqueline. I had multiple people telling me the same thing over and over slightly differently, bashing their heads against that mad buggers wall (hehe reference), and eventually it helped me to see how insane the things I was saying were. I was disappointed to hear Jimmy not recognize this, but maybe his deconstruction was very different from mine.

[@MartynDerg]

waiting for the 24h Forrest+Gutsick stream

[@comrade-princesscelestia4907]

Someday we're gonna get a week long stream where they nap in 3 hour increments alternating

[@ab-zg8pt]

Forrest and Erika are great co-hosts!!!!!

[@dv8754]

I've always loved how a blind man can describe men as "trees walking" upon gaining limited vision for the very first time.

[@thancrow]

Satan does not lie in the old testament. On the other hand, god lies throughout.

[@wesley115777]

Forrest, it seems reasonable that a bow as large as a town could shoot an arrow across the state. Then they both got broken.

[@kyleepratt]

Now I’m picturing Forrest living inside a hollowed out portion of this gigantic bow 🏹

[@Mystrohan]

You know, I can't believe I'm saying this, but if Forrest and Jacqueline had gone for another hundred loops, I actually think Jacqueline might have given the real answer she was struggling not to give. And I honestly believe that Forrest would have been willing to go another hundred loops because he seems to believe the same thing.

[@obiwanshinobi87]

Totally not surprised when she said planet of the apes was one of her favourite movies... She truly is a very modern ape!

[@s.m.9871]

Please PLEASE bring back this pairing 😭

[@MartynDerg]

The face Forrest makes every time he makes a skeleton pun is adorable ALSO I STARTED WATCHING THIS FIVE FUCKING DAYS AGO AND I'M STILL NOT DONE

[@garrybooker]

Me too. I’m 5 hours in and I’ll finish this weekend.

[@kyleepratt]

Day 2 for me, 1hr 44mins in

[@issecret1]

Yeah, the cross didn't fall over until there were 12 people there to jiggle their feet and make the table move. Revolutionary

[@AlX-Ander]

I need Forrest to make a second channel where he genuinely preaches left-wing ideas spun the way he does it here.

[@brianray2614]

Two of my favorite people and educators!

[@omicdog]

Broken Bow is where humans first encountered the Klingons!

[@solsikkeridderuhyre5172]

"If you dont think Dragon Age was an objectively good series" Fucking based, forrest. 😂😂

[@TheNordicharps]

Your notebook reminds me of a Buffy quote. Demon "You looked beautiful. You were wearing pink" Anya "Those were viscera". Keep it up, Guys.

[@AtheistDelight]

James in Canada needs to be on again. He was wildly entertaining,imo. Great conversation from EVERYONE.

[@niblick616]

People in the UK used to go to asylums to watch the antics of people with mental issues for entertainment. That was very sick behaviour.

[@jamiegallier2106]

Another brilliant time with Erika and Forrest. The Line has such amazing hosts on every show. GFYJ❤

[@marchurley7386]

I love how absolutely unhinged this was right outta the gate. 10/10 love this show!

[@Aliyah_666]

Hey as Ben Shapiro said just sell your house if it floods. I'm sure Aquaman is looking for new real estate lol.

[@Renpet516]

4:18:04 the deprogramming you guys are doing is incredible. You need to be given the science version of sainthood. Thank you for this.

[@millenialsmom2214]

Lived in Oklahoma all my life. When I was a kid horny toads were everywhere. I haven't seen one in years. The paper printed a story with pics of a badger in a part of the state he shouldn't have been....swimming in the river. It was 106.

[@zuhosido]

Absolutely I want to listen to these awesome people for seven hours straight without stopping!!!

[@jimstewart7913]

I love Forrest & Erika. Thank you for the great commentary.

[@duskyrose9243]

Couching was the method of moving the cataract out of the direct line of sight, improving vision, as early as 600 BC. So they well knew how blind people could describe getting some vision back. All Jesus was doing was moving cataracts out of the way. And it took him twice to get the best results he could get.

[@Johnadonnell]

6hrs!!? There goes my Saturday. Listened to every last minute. Best hosts.

[@tristanmisja]

Almost 7 hrs actually 😁

[@KauaiSis]

OMG....Love Forrest and Erika!!

[@Sodapatches]

I LOVE THESE TWO SO MUCH

[@garygronberg4310]

The "James" segment could be a script trom an Art Bell, 1980's, from the far desert in the undisciplined hours of deep night.

[@jennycook290]

I have never ever once heard something as masterful as Forrest backing Jacqueline into a corner

[@Goatastrophee]

Forrest has such a genuine and infectious laugh, kills me

[@Aerythraea]

Jaqueline sounds a ton like several of the Mormons I grew up with before deconverting. She comes only armed with her testimony because she has a mischaracterization of what an atheist actually is, and what should be convincing. I was taught in church that any feel-good bullshit that comes out of my mouth passes within the congregation, and that walking in with just the determination to bring god to someone was enough to be convincing. Testimony is supposed to be the end-all be-all, and the first explanation that comes to mind is supposed to waive all opposition. When I’ve seen these kind of people receive some real resistance, they usually go in one of a few ways. I’m worried she won’t take the time to critique her own beliefs and actually confront the problem of evil, instead opting to double down into them.

[@DouglasUrayama]

Funny, I want to color my hair red because it used to be very red before it turned gray but I'm afraid of getting some crazy bright red, so I took a screen shot of Forrest to show my hairstylist right at the exact moment that he froze. I thought I did something until I heard you. It scared me because I thought it was me and then you start speaking but not him. LOL.

[@OrAngeAnArchy]

Seeing ppl look like trees after not being able to see is so MUNDANE. I have as a bored kid would squint looking at lights sources, people and objects and even when I have watery eyes due to allergies or swimming in a pool or sea has seen people look "tree" like where their silhouette looks like skinny bodies. I'm sure some people would describe that as "tree-like". Seriously, you can do this experiment this instant by putting your hand infront of a light source squint and you can make your can look like its skinny. It's also similar to how those x-ray "Glasses" make it seem like you are looking through someone or your hand. SO MUNDANE!

[@comrade-princesscelestia4907]

There's also the fact that the first cataract surgeries were done in the 5th century BC in India which is close to the Levant

[@PennyDove]

It has been cooling down in the Western MD Panhandle for about a week now. I am getting that fall feeling and it has been wonderful. I actually live in WV but I am in the Tri State area of Maryland, West Virginia and Pennsylvania.

[@MisterRorschach90]

I just don’t understand how or why interrupting people has become so commonplace in our society. Everyday I’m interrupted dozens of times. I literally just walk off and refuse to continue talking half the time when it gets really bad.

[@sweetmellon]

The laugh attack 😂❤ Good stuff 😄 Good content👍

[@Jsingle911]

Jacqueline is the best example of how religion allows you to shut your brain off and be intellectually indifferent. That said, I really enjoyed watching these two crash against the wall of ignorance, even though Jimmy was annoyed. It made for a great listen.

[@jonovens7974]

She is also an example that her religion is morally bankrupt. "I don't know.." if it is a bad thing, is not an answer to the suffering of children. Funny how atheists never never have any problem giving a straight yes or no over moral questions that wrap theists into knots.

[@digbycrankshaft7572]

Not indifferent, dishonest.

[@Renpet516]

26:43 me dozing off “I’m really into eye stocks and slime.”

[@VanHalenIsolated]

I wish this was live when 1:27:58 into it Forrest is having issues with his internet and he stated exactly what the issue is without knowing it: he is 50ft from his router on WiFi! He is only a foot short to use Ethernet?! Move your stuff a foot closer or you can get a female to female rj45 coupler and one more 3 ft (give yourself slack) Ethernet cable and you should be good. Or move your router a foot closer lol

[@heinz57channel39]

The call with Jacqueline pissed me off so bad but also made me sad. So indoctrinated. I might have held her feet to the fire a little more.

[@catpoke9557]

Love love love that Erika and Forrest don't interrupt often, aren't trigger happy with the mute button, and don't get nasty unless the other person does

[@AnimeLuver0604]

As lovely as they are, they're still young, so it's only a matter of time before they're burnt out on the stupidity and are just as grumpy and jaded as Matt, Aron, and the others.

[@noone3216]

Ok so i im at 1:56:06 and i have 1 big question about the call with James: up to this point, neither forrest or erika has clicked to the fact that James' experiment to 'prove' psychokinesis is to have subjects "ask a ghost to move the cross".. how does asking a ghost to move something for you prove that you moved it with your mind? Its intercessory at best.

[@joelpartee594]

"I live in the rural towns outside Austin" Confirmed, Snow is a collective - makes sense, being a mass noun.

[@Stormkrow280]

There is a Philip K Dick short story where an alien finds a human romance novel and is horrified because it can’t tell the difference between metaphor and literal description (she gave her heart to him)

[@graffic13]

I need Clint from clint's reptiles thrown in this mix😂😂😂😂

[@thereptileroomeh8646]

YEEESSSS

[@s.m.9871]

Oh my god YES

[@thesaferoom6968]

i love this epi so much, speaking truth to power

[@Gelatinocyte2]

I didn't know this crossover existed. Neat!

[@AJ_The_One]

Oh man! Forrest America First speech was epic 😂 that would definitely work 😂

[@DreadEnder]

1:00:10 or maybe he couldn’t see clearly because someone spat in his eyes.

[@VulcanLogic]

You can't get snakes from chicken eggs! But you could get crabs or crab like creatures from just about anything it seems.

[@Xaccers]

especially if you sleep with the wrong person!

[@jimstewart7913]

Forrest, Forrest, I'm on my second brandy drink and all of a sudden you go off and truly stop my karma completely.

[@joeyroll]

My high school biology teacher really ruined my passion for biology, but every time I see Forrest's enthusiasm for the field it makes me want to go and learn more.

[@redbeardthepink4809]

Idk if anyone from the show is gonna see this comment like a year later, but I think I have some insight into why that last call was such a grind. Forrest was basically (in his role as a benevolent educator) trying to coax this woman into committing what she sees as blasphemy. She can't let herself admit to what's staring her right in the face because she's terrified God will punish her. I do think seeds were planted, but she's gonna have to chew on it for a long while if/when the initial fear dies down.

[@knoobiez]

Chewing on ass 😂 sukihana

[@JCurry1123]

I need more of these 3 together. They're a vibe

[@jameshoward3rd]

Anyone been able to find this documentary James thinks is proof?

[@noone3216]

2:12:39 i do believe i know the reference, Jimmy. Is that a Tim Robinson reference? 😆 Funeral Flops?

[@mrcregg0915]

"Its pink! Like the color of viscera!" Keep stealing my heart, GG. lol

[@tristanmisja]

7 hours? Holy moly!

[@desmond_craddock_5226]

They had cataract surgery in ancient Egypt

[@command.cyborg]

3:01:45 _'Murica's withered scrotum_ just broke me 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@skinnyjax]

3:00:20 You got my fucking vote, Forrest!

[@FatLittleButterfly]

If there's ever a need to define "brain washed", show them Jacqueline from KS

[@michaelrenadette4026]

Hey James how about one of those 12 people freaking blew and knocked over that popsicle cross. What a waste of time that conversation was

[@whizthesugoi]

It took 6 months but the all female show Jimmy talked about at around 2:18:30