Review | 2018 Stinger GT2 | Exiting the Hype Train

[@cy9nvs]

I got a 2 year AWD GT model with 24.000km for about 34.000€, and I couldn't care less about the badge honestly. Buying a relatively big used 2 year old car with a 366hp V6 for that money and still having 5 years of drivetrain warranty left is just nuts. Great value for everyone who doesn't care about badges, though even with the kia badge it turns heads, at least here in germany.

[@KommanderKarl]

Mine turns heads every day, nearly constant compliments here in the states. Got the GT2 Scorpion in white so it’s got the blacked out lights, blacked out sportier rims, etc. got some mods too so my hp numbers are somewhere over 500, probably late 400 to the wheel 💪

[@joehallen4510]

❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤wow

[@joehallen4510]

❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤wow

[@ExecuteBrandon]

That’s a lot of money for a higher mileage Stinger. You’ve been had.

[@cy9nvs]

@@ExecuteBrandon 24.000Km "higher mileage" right 😂 The comment is over 3 years old, and I have since sold the car, but it was an amazing deal and a great car.

[@daytonasayswhat9333]

Three years and 145k, my Stinger has not had one problem and still pulls hard!!! Edit: update 190 K and it still pulls hard and I pull a trailer everywhere. Edit: 198k. No problems.

[@braydenblocher]

i’m thinking of buying a 2018 gt1 awd with only 35k miles on it do i send it

[@daytonasayswhat9333]

@@braydenblocher if you buy a car to “send it” and beat the shit out of it it probably won’t last. That’s the same for any car. Update. 190 K and the car is still great. And I pull a trailer.

[@braydenblocher]

@@daytonasayswhat9333 i take very good care of my cars. by send i meant should i just go for it and get it even tho its 3hrs away from me. my current daily is a 2018 sportage and its only got 45k miles i take very good care of my car

[@guycd1]

Thanks for the update, I was worried about the longevity of these products. I'm about to head to the dealership today to test one with 80k miles and was concerned about the higher milage.

[@daytonasayswhat9333]

@@guycd1 go for it. Best car ever.

[@cvav213]

As a Stinger GT owner, this review is spot on. It's a great car that's affordable. I've gotten nothing but compliments, thumbs up, and people taking pictures. So far no other car I've owned has gotten this level of attention. I do not have any of the rattles or problems he shows in the video. Maybe because this is a press car. For the price I understand some of the cut backs but they are totally acceptable and I understand why it was done. I was expecting for him to completely trash talk it, but it was more praise than anything. Great review.

[@makstone]

Here's the bottom line: You cant walk into ANY BMW, Mercedes or Audi dealership with $50K in your pocket and drive away with anything but a 4 cylinder car. They've managed to sell you less horsepower for more money but nobody has even noticed. I like German cars but the price-to-horsepower quotient has gotten completely out of wack!

[@ShanerHulk]

makstone 2018 RS3 msrp 54k yeah

[@troyjollimore4100]

That's a tiny car and, last I checked, 4 cylinder.

[@themoviebay]

Troy Jollimore that Audi is not worth 54k its like a matchbox car.

[@troyjollimore4100]

Worth it for those that insist on the four rings on their grilles. It probably handles wonderfully and is damned fast, but I almost got stuck getting in and out of an A3, so I'd probably have to opt for the similar (but roomier) Golf R. ;)

[@makstone]

Shane Swanson Good luck trying to find an RS3 (5 cylinder, by the way) for $54K. Aside from that, it's a compact car. Let's compare apples to apples.

[@t1328]

Great review, thank you. As someone who has had the GT2 since February and have 4,600 miles on it, I thought I'd mention a few differences in opinion only. I agree with most of what you said: 1. Personally, I haven't experienced ANY rattles. I find it hard to believe that you and 1 other reviewer I've seen so far who also mentioned rattles, didn't just have a (maybe the same) unit that was a dud. If I had a few rattles here and there, I'd say ok, this is an issue. I have none, period. 2. The firmness of the suspension, and the differences between sport mode and comfort mode. I live in the DC Metro area and commute into DC by car about 50% of the time, using the subway the other 50%. If you're familiar with DC Metro, you'll know that once you cross from either suburban MD or VA into DC, you immediately start hitting massive potholes, jarring roads etc. I literally switch from Custom/Sport suspension to Comfort mode at the border line. There is a huge difference. In Sport mode it's uncomfortable. In Comfort mode, these bumps are barely perceptible. Comparing it to previous E92 BMW 3, it handles these way better in Comfort mode than that did, or than my Infiniti G35, or Golf R (with DCC). It is supremely comfortable on very bumpy roads in DC. 3. The cheap plastics, ok, yes, they are there when you look below knee height, but they're not noticably cheaper than the plastics on the BMW 3. Those are also cheap when you get below that height. Finally, the closest hatchback that has this kind of performance luxury mix is the Audi A5 Sportback or BMW 4 Series Gran Coupé. Neither can be bought for anywhere near this price with this power. You'd need to go for the S5, or the 440i xDrive, which optioned as the GT2 is, would cost $63,759 and $59,390 respectively. That's still a significant price difference for cars that are also both way smaller. Granted, you get the name badge, and a few advantages, but not enough in my books to make it worth the extra cost.

[@brocklee7704]

To your point about the S5 and 440, which of the 3 will have lower maintenance costs after 5-10 years? Reliability is never mentioned in newer German car reviews because it’s so awful. I bet this Kia will run great for 100k miles and even longer after the warranty ends. I am really leaning toward the Stinger GT or Genesis G70. Great comment!

[@kprzyb]

Why does literally no one compare this car to the 340i GT? I feel like they're quite similar...

[@suserman7775]

@@brocklee7704 A buddy and myself each got a lease of these two vehicles last week. I got the GT and for 60 bucks more he got the G70. The G70 drives better. The Stinger has more room for rear seat and rear. We're each thrilled with the cars.

[@dharam4u2]

Do yo recommend Stinger over S5 Sportback? S5's virtual cockpit (digital gauge cluster) and tail light flashing just wins the heart. The mind says "not for 15K more". What is your thought?

[@bobpiotrowski9346]

with 3500 miles, no rattles here

[@IsolestiK]

thanks for showing the bottom of Stinger! great review! I own a Stinger GT2 AWD as well but mine does not have any rattling noise, and that center console sliding storage thingy slides smoothly just fine. :)

[@scuds03]

Replace the Kia badges with Maserati badges. 90% of people wouldn’t even know the difference.

[@TheXiodide]

C yeah, Maserati are garbage too!

[@tylercouture216]

CarTrash ages 100%

[@lewzero]

Exactly, no one would know the difference because Maserati is a 'toothpaste in the gap' joke! For making some of the most beautiful cars back in the day to making the ugly complete pieces of sh#t they do now.

[@apostolostvable]

Completely different brand with a different purpose. Nothing KIA produces will have the glorious engine notes of a Maserati. And I like the Stinger. But your statement is a bit dramatic, no?

[@scuds03]

What part of "90% of people" did you not understand. I'm not talking car enthusiasts which are definitely less than 10% of the population.

[@kreiseltower]

Nice review. I'm from Germany and love this car. I don't know how prices of "competitors" are in the US, because I have the impression that especially German cars are sold for a way lower price than here. Here the Stinger is about $25.000-30.000 cheaper than a comparable Audi S5 Sportsback or BMW 440i Grand Coupé (list price before negotiating discounts with the dealer)... And now matter how hard I look, I don't see how the German brands are worth that much more!

[@dpjyule]

Vladimir Yemelyanov Useful comment. Its your business if you want to buy a badge, but kreiseltower is correct, justification for that premium is lacking. I would bet any value of cash that you have never been inside this car never mind driven it so do not know what talking about.

[@kreiseltower]

@@dpjyule I've driven the the Stinger once for a couple of hours and I've also been around in a Audi A6 a lot so I think I know what I'm talking about. The Audi is nicer no doubt. But I can get the stinger AND a 2nd "hot hatch" car for the same price....

[@pranavmukesh]

21:17 i understand you don't love the car but you didn't have to drive it into a pond.

[@JeffNoel]

This should be the top comment lmao

[@CarsFromOz]

Had mine for almost 4 years. Zero problems, thousands of smiles!

[@SilentKnight43]

I like the idea that a lot of people seem to be "overlooking" the Stinger - makes them more unique on the road. You don't see one on every block...and that translates to more head turning. Nothin' worse than getting a nice new car and they seem to pop up everywhere like dandelions. Stinger's been exempt from that.

[@elstingergt3374]

To this day.

[@Hallowsaw]

Kind of why i got a subaru legacy. Yes not a headturner but you do not see them like you do with camry, accords, sonatas, optimas and altimas.

[@MikeYurbasovich]

@@Hallowsaw Uh, yeah, they are everywhere. That's a rainbow car, bro.

[@Hallowsaw]

@@MikeYurbasovich you smoking crack. For example prior to microchip shortage subaru sold at best 87k legacies. The same year hyundai sold 130k. Honda sold 376k accords, toyota sold 431k, ford sold 142k fusions... so idk what you are talking about everywhere. Maybe up in NY but hardly in the southern 75% of the states.

[@MikeYurbasovich]

@@Hallowsaw Yeah I'm up north in Wisconsin. Subaru is the brand of choice for rainbow people. I have no problem with that if that's your inclination, I'm just saying that's it bro. You're not gay if you're not driving a Subaru, or a mini, or a prius. I don't understand the fetish with station wagons, but to each their own, and yeah I know a legacy isn't in there, but it still is kinda. If it was a Subaru, that would be my next choice to the IT guy car, the WRX.

[@Thee_Sinner]

I find it actually quite commendable that they made it a Kia and didn’t just make up a new brand for it. That sorta thing always seemed like a cop-out to me.

[@whosdondada]

Uriah Siner make it a Genesis

[@rambow70]

It helps the entire brand if they leave it a Kia. Not sure why Hyundai made genesis. It’s just confusing and I think it’s a weak brand. They could have just strengthened the Hyundai brand like how Kia is doing now.

[@dchawk81]

Hyundai was trying to be like Toyota with Lexus, Nissan with Inifinity, Honda with Acura, Ford with Lincoln, GM with Cadillac, Plymouth/Dodge with Chrysler, etc. Basically everyone has an upmarket label. Koreans are just getting flak for it. If I recall correctly, the Japanese caught flak when they were introduced too. "Oh that LS400 is just a gussied up Camry!" and so on and so forth. It's just been so many years that doesn't happen much anymore.

[@BaconNationChannel]

heres a guy who knows a bit of history repeating!

[@yaknow11]

Agreed! It's like people one to be bullsh*tted and mad when they're not...lol

[@petko02]

I love the panning effect when you get in the car for the drive (besides everything else). By far the best motoring reviewer on KZbin. Keep it up, stay savage.

[@larry6842]

Glad to hear you are taking this on full time , love your offhand humor and perspective on things. I think you can move to the head of this space your reviews are bueno

[@jwjackflash]

Not sure how you’re not more popular dude, your reviews are AMAZING. Keep doing what you’re doing!

[@anishannayya1]

I watch most of your videos, and I think it's time I thanked you for putting quality content out there. It's clear to me that you really care and spend a lot of time and energy doing what you do.

[@christopherrossmaier7443]

I have this car and I love it. Great fun car to drive. Super quick, a little heavy feeling around turns, but over all a joy to drive. My only wish is that they gave it a better sounding exhaust. Low exhaust note does not do the engine justice. I bought the base GT and I am very happy with it. My opinion is to save your money on the GT2 and use it to buy upgrades like a new exhaust, etc.

[@Xetenor]

I recently got a 2023 GT2 AWD and going from a 2019 GT RWD to a 2021 GT1 RWD I must say the latest GT2 AWD is absolutely amazing. No hatch rattles that I had in my previous cars (the 2019 one was super bad), much quieter, stock exhaust is still garbage but bit louder with the valves open, much better features and I totally love the AWD system. Already did a catback exhaust and intakes on it and it is a much more pleasing experience than stock. It's a more rare car that has dual personality and that is pretty much why I've been loving the stinger. Now with it being gone it will be even more rare. This car definitely turns heads in white color with red nappa leather. Still hard to beat it for the value while BMW's are all easily starting in the 70k range to get anything close to this as far as features. Plus I am not a huge fan of a super wide screen all across the dash.

[@jjukjkjiok7782]

thanks for sharing!

[@AndrewKarpyszyn]

I've been driving a Stinger GT for about a month, I have no issues with squeaks or rattles.

[@gregblack8550]

Don’t be impatient, they will come.

[@randomuserame]

AWD Premium for 5 mo/12k miles, no squeaks/rattles...

[@AndrewKarpyszyn]

@Fleetleader101 After one year it's still an amazing ride. People are still stopping me to ask about the car, to look at all the angles, to look at the interior (red/black). And still no squeaks or rattles after 15000 kms (~9300 miles).

[@desmondbaxter2449]

And I have a 2002 S6 Avant with no squeaks or rattles, what is ur point its a new car, and all the Asians can do is copy copy copy

[@harley8728]

I hear they have paint issue?

[@davebo357]

The rattles are what confused me. I bought a base GT and the only rattle I noticed were my sunglasses bouncing around in the sunglass compartment, but that had more to do with them being $20 sunglasses.

[@cacasododom]

Probably because the car he used was a journalist car and beaten on. Just bought mine yesterday and love it. Old car was a 2009 CTS that I bought new and cost me $20K+ over the last seven years in repairs. Wanted a car with some reliability.

[@QuantumJ67]

I own a GT2... not a single rattle.. vault-like solidity. No idea what he could have been hearing. And as for noise... I can’t compare it to the Genesis G80, but this car is not at all noisy (with the engine audio turned off). I LOVE the utility, space, and performance.

[@cacasododom]

@@QuantumJ67 Yeah, two months and 5500 miles have gone by..no rattles. I love this thing. I did switch ot the springs to Eibach and they made the tail wag under cornering go away and a nicer, more compliant ride over the bumps due to the progressive spring rate design.

[@davids1816]

@@cacasododomThe GT doesn't have the roof so that's one less flex point in the roof. He did say he hoped it was an early production issue and I've heard the same complaint on a few reviews.

[@bobpiotrowski9346]

@WalkinOSF at 15K miles my 2018 still has no rattles. Only issue is the crap rotors and/or pads.

[@oscarcazares2972]

A former Audi and BMW M employees both worked on this project that’s why it’s so good.

[@madpistol]

Gotta give props to the Koreans. They are producing some amazing cars lately. The Stinger is just another great product out of South Korea.

[@shopwithaaron]

Hey Mad Pistol...we're on our 3rd Optima (Finally a turbo 2017 SXL!) and see a lot of feature sharing inside...Tho only a 2.0 T its fast and quiet and comfortable for short or long stretches. The upper grade Nappa leather feels (almost) as nice as one of my clients Bentley Conti Gt's! KIA badge and all we're proud to drive them!

[@Steve211Ucdhihifvshi]

Agree, i remember myself and thosuands of others mentioning on a post about the i30 when it first came outb saying theres a massive gap fpr sporty hatches, and they bought out the veloster turbo, still didnt hit the spot so they worked on a stinger and the i30r or whatever it is.

[@GraveUypo]

@@Josh-cw8by kia makes the cadenza too and that's lovely.

[@dragospahontu]

@@GraveUypo Lexus is still the best automaker in the world

[@Grassroots_Hegemon]

Everyone I’ve ever met or known who has owned a Kia between 2002-2016 is on their second engine, they’re still shot boxes they just hide it better.

[@MeynMotorGroup]

Once again thank you for this beautiful review, You're vids are def worth the wait, I've been wanting to see an unbiased no bullshit review on this car, everybody else has been making the same old same old reviews. I def agree with you the interior is nice but I respect their cost cutting, they put the shitty plastics where you don't really touch it so I'm cool with that. I have not driven the 4 cylinder version of this car but that twin turbo 6 is def the way to go with this car, since you're already compromising with the kia badge you might as well get everything you possibly can from them. A lot of people have actually complained about the rear hatch making some rattles, I'm going to be completely honest, my GT2 RWD stinger has been solid and I did not actually have any rattle issues, but I think I'm alone on that as I have heard a few people complain about that. Finally yes, this car is not "super sporty" this is actually a comfy GT car at the end of the day, I'm actually happy with that since I'm not a boy racer and I'm not super skilled, I enjoy just how easy it is for a schmuck like me to get the ass out, and overall how confidence inspiring it is. The hatch really did sell me on this car if this car was a regular sedan I don't think I would like it that much, but if you enjoy driving more I think the G70 is perfect for the driving enthusiast I just don't think their leases will be as aggressive as Kia and the car is smaller overall which for some could be an issue. Either way sorry for this long comment haha, thank you for this lovely review can't wait to hear your thoughts on the RWD stinger and perhaps a G70 in the future! Take care

[@PatrickLino]

Looooooong comment bro! You gon have to step your production game up! If you were in chicago Id totally be down to film ha.

[@MeynMotorGroup]

haha i know bro and dude we HATE photography, filming, and editing lol our passion is cars but we really wanna step our game up 10 fold. We met an awesome guy today his name is "Sean the Goat" young kid but he makes super high quality content we are trying to learn from him!

[@tbvjqor123]

Patrick Lino Hey for G70, Got good news for you alot of Korean reviewers are saying its more sportier than Stinger and they said its even sportier than 5 series (they were mentioning 5 series because they reviewed G70 prior to reviewing 5 series they know they are not direct competitors but still thats big accomplishment I believe). But I think Im gonna like Stinger more as it is more versatile in everyday driving situations.

[@PatrickLino]

@Franz Fanon 3 years ago. 🤡

[@tasmania909]

I was working in a remote area of Australia with one bar of reception. It was with this tiny pocket of reception that i received a notification on email from youtube that savagegeese a channel i subscribe to has uploaded a new video review of the Kia Stinger. I Promptly packed up my belongings and threw them into my truck, with the sun scorching on to the bonnet, the rays of sun searing into my eyes off the reflections, i drove for 3 days to the nearest town that had an internet signal capable of viewing youtube. It is on this day the 14th of may that my 3 day journey from the deserts of the outback has come to an end, and a sigh of relief and euphoria it was to sit back and rip the heads off a few stubbies of beer enjoying all 24 minutes and 28 seconds of a savage review of the Stinger.

[@sportura888]

Your camera work is just incredible. Keep up the good work. Great review. Thanks!

[@steelheart4148]

You are just about the only reviewer who does a real review, not a commercial for the car companies. Thank you.

[@DanielWraps]

I have a GT1 AWD. Hardly any difference and I must say, for $380 for some Eibach sway bars, $200 for some subframe collars and bolts upgrade, and a MandoECS10 suspension customization module for $400. At less than a $1000, it COMPLETELY transforms the car. It makes you think you're driving the G70 instead which does handle better. As for cabin noises, yes they can be annoying but nothing a little bit of ingenuity cannot permanently fix. I have fixed those issues myself because Kia pretends the problems aren't there. For less than $700 you can get a tuning solution that increases a nearly and astounding 100 HP AND Torque. Simply put, this is the easiest way to get to 450 all wheel horsepower for not much money. The car is badass and yes it is not as "nice" as an S Audi or AMG mercedes however, if someone tries to compare a Stinger to an Audi, mercedes or whatever, that's just stupid. Reliability I would put it on Kia well before Audi, BMW, or Mercedes. Cost of maintenance is a win for the Kia, Warranty is a win for the Kia, interior space and storage another win for Kia. And, you can take some fast cars to gapplebees pretty damn easily.

[@sattymike0155]

I have a '19 GT RWD that I picked up used with low miles for a very reasonable amount. Stock it performs well, definitely quick in every day situations and a good commuter. Milage varies but mine ranges between 22 - 26 around town and 28 - low 30's highway. Performance wise I've had no complaints, and when you factor in all of the mods available from JB4 tunes, after market intakes, downpipes, exhaust you can really make this car pretty fast if you want to. All that aside, it looks good, gets compliments easily, has a nice warranty and it has a lot of room. This is a car with easy comfort for rear seat passengers and very respectable cargo space. No issues so far maintenance-wise, minus having to repaint the roof drip rails. I have noticed the tires wear very quickly, so expect to pay more for tires.

[@JDubbs07]

Kia's had to change their product mix at the GT1 and GT2 levels to add more color combos because serious shoppers have been demanding more variety. They're also planning a number of special editions, like the Atlantica. The old rhetoric of "that's too much for a Kia" is quickly dying away. It outsold the Giulia and XE, and did about as well as the ATS in March.

[@Kevhoe]

JDubbs07 Agreed. I was rolling my eyes the whole time he was saying it’s not worth the money just because of the badge.

[@AireJayy]

JDubbs07 well if the Giulia was actually reliable, I feel like people would be them more

[@JDubbs07]

SamTheCar what are you talking about? All 3 were hailed as being the driver's cars in the segment when they came out, all from long storied automakers.

[@KidKingdomHearts]

I gotta agree with others. I think if Alfa Romeo wasn't so bad in the Realiability department, they would be outselling many others.

[@IReahpZz]

SamTheCar what new 3 series are you buying for 38k?oh yeah one that would get absolutely embarrassed in a race. Not ten mention the boring interiors of bmw's that don't cost 70k +

[@Ferraridude13]

Definitely earned a like here. I don't like videos often but really this was well produced and you give real, deep insight. Quality and depth that a lot of other popular reviewers lack.

[@nickc6882]

I’m the 1 out of 10. I’ve owned BMW, Audi, Lexus (and many others) and in the last 3 years been fortunate enough to have had, for at least a month each, a V8 Vantage, CL500 and an XKR. The Vantage is better looking, the CL500 quieter for longer journeys but, genuinely, honestly, the Stinger is the best car I have owned by a country mile. It’s quick, quiet, very comfortable, very well specced, as a GT handles very well and has a 7 year warranty. I have the GT (rwd) MY20 in pearlescent white and with the dark red interior. It’s a great looking car and I get more questions and “take me for a drive” requests in this than anything other than the Vantage. I’ve had no squeaks and rattles at all in a year. Things I don’t like - cheap silver buttons and gloss piano black in the centre console, gas tank is too small ... that’s it. Lovely car.

[@THUNDER3R]

Idk why, but I feel like the shot at 14:22 is the best, I've seen so far and the music makes it Epicer, if that means anything.

[@doodmonkey]

Just picked up my GT2 a week ago. Long time Audi owner and now KIA convert

[@Chimpy_Mc_Gibbon]

Congratulations! I'll be buying a stinger this August, the german brands just can't compete with the quality, speed and piece of mind combined.

[@maxmorris4562]

Nice man!

[@MikeMUFC91]

I'm thinking of getting one and have been watching reviews on here. A year on, still worth it? The warranty they offer is amazing. In two minds about grabbing the 2021 GT2 or waiting for the refresh in 2022. The newer interior looks better.

[@hazardeur]

@@Chimpy_Mc_Gibbon Germans can't compete with the quality?? the speed?? of a Kia Stinger???? you, Sir, are officially out of your mind. While the stinger is a cool car it's no match compared to any of the big german manufacturers. Let's be real here ok?

[@LoneStarStinger]

Sooo how has the car worked out? I might be getting a 2020Gt2 tomorrow

[@AlexMenshikov-r8p]

Bought my 2018 gt awd in 2020. 140k miles later it's still the most reliable car I've ever owned. Perfect gt car!

[@lexus_offroad_adventures]

I'm so stoked on the Koreans lately. I just wish they brought the i30 N to the states.

[@harvardford8752]

Daniel G were getting the Veloster N, Should be just as fun, just not as pretty as the i30N

[@DoubleDown310]

Daniel G I would buy the i30N in a heartbeat if they brought it to the states. The Veloster? Not so much.

[@lexus_offroad_adventures]

Harvard Ford yeah if only the veloster looked more like the i30.

[@Sinisterg60]

Same here... I want the i30 N... Fuck the Veloster... I'm a dad and need 4 doors and a hatch.

[@lexus_offroad_adventures]

Michael Y. Yes let's blame the Korean factory workers, cuz they make all the big decisions there 👌🏼

[@douglarsen50]

I am c. 21 months into my 2019 GT1. I love driving it as much as day-one. It is FUN. Road trips, all day-long drives, are a snap; super comfortable. And QUIET: no rattles, squeaks, creaks or thumps. No complaints of any kind. Never had it in the shop for anything but regular maintenance (oh, and for an aftermarket Eibach rear sway bar; which made a great ride even more confidence inspiring).

[@MistrMcGill]

haven't watched this channel that much since hurricane Harvey...but it was worth losing everything! good job bro excellent editing 👍

[@marktodd4479]

one of the less than a handful of reviewers i trust. the best reviews on the tube, gotta love the savage.

[@jakesnake1793]

We never got the RWD review they mentioned, and considering they omitted discussing some features in order to save some things for that model, I think they should review the latest model with updated interior and infotainment. I was hoping to get their take on the HK audio system

[@kencoleman8929]

Agreed! Would love to see the 2022 follow-up to this, please-please!??

[@rosgoncharuk2403]

@@kencoleman8929 not much changed for 2022 except for the screen. Smaller engine is irrelevant, even though it is a nice option. I'd rather have them do 2019-2021 RWD GT/GT1 - that's the car to get! 2022 GT1 is a fraud, the packaging options actually got worse.

[@MatthewGaither]

Good review. I see the Stinger GT as a great start for a more performance minded Kia/Hyundai but where my interest really lies is with the upcoming G70 Sport with this same engine. I hope Kia/Hyundai are successful with their performance models and are able to keep bringing them to us for a long time to come.

[@alp3781]

Again...... fantastic review. I am going to test one. Can't help it. You can not touch BMW, Infinity or Lexus fully loaded for 50k. This car is giving us the chance to get value.

[@MiniatureChickenChannel]

Smooooth and classy intro, Savage Goose! Seriously, others are blowing out our earbuds. Oh, and the no bullsh*t reviews are appreciated as usual.

[@Worshipbyruben]

Have a 17 Kia optima sx. Put 25k in a year and man what a car. This manufacturer is definitely underrated. Super fun and quick.

[@bacvain]

rubensantana91 I had the 13 Optima Sx with their first design. 274HP!!! Loved the drive everyday I got in until I crashed it. Then I got a 4 door genesis 3.8 and now within 5 years I’m getting the new genesis g80 sport. Koreans have nailed it and I’m sold.

[@TaxiBenNC]

Your usage of cinematography just like your camera angles and way you film this is so freaking fantastic I love it.

[@kriskremin2745]

before everyone takes one opinion and run with it...go drive it. the 640GT is 30k more. Put a different badge on this thing and views would change. $30k is a salary of some on here who are trying to bash the vehicle without even being near it.

[@TheXiodide]

Kris Kremin I drove one and it was overwhelmingly uninspiring

[@kriskremin2745]

Different strokes for different folks. I dont known If people realize, but KIAs intent isn't supposed to be a sports car.

[@TheXiodide]

Kris Kremin they're marketing it as one

[@friedrice2307]

CarTrash actually they are not.

[@JakeDrives1]

That bmw is a different creature entirely. The 30k increase over the stinger is justified in size and quality alone. Haven’t even touched on the drive between the two.

[@AFJDM]

This is a fantastic car for someone who really wants an Audi S5 Sportback (or hideous BMW 440i Gran Coupe) but doesn't have or doesn't want to splurge for the fully loaded ones. A fully loaded Stinger tops out where the German competition is modestly equipped...plus the Hyundai/Kia super warranty and cheaper ownership costs. If you want brand, it isn't a replacement. If you want value and want those features it's a great choice.

[@markg1531]

I just test drove a 2019 Stinger G2 AWD with everything in it. I also have a BMW M240i xDrive which some say is one of the few remaining real BMWs, and perhaps the best overall. And let me tell you, none of the complaints in this review were validated in my test drive. The 2019 Stinger G2 AWD on 19 inch wheels with Michelin Pilot Sport tires is a real sweetheart of a car, wonderful to drive, very comfortable, very interesting visually inside and out, beautifully made, and solid as a rock. Recently I got completely and instantly cured of my brand snobbishness by test driving a Genesis G70 3.3T AWD with a sport package. But the Genesis cargo area was too small for my woodworking projects. The 2019 Stinger G2 AWD did it for me, and I bought it five minutes after finishing my spirited test drive. The reviewer has clearly allowed all of his brand prejudices cloud his perceptions. Everyone who is even remotely interested, do yourself a favor and test drive the car. And now I am very skeptical about these reviews.

[@hyedefinition1080]

I bought a 2018 AWD. Based on some of these reviews, I was expecting the Stinger to ride like a coin box. Not been the case for me, there are absolutely no rattles 10k heavy miles in and 8 months of ownership. The only complaint is the paint, it has bad adhesion properties. An okay compromise for the amount of car I got for $44k

[@Pesar25]

Great video thanks. The piano at the start is very nice and the Turkish "Davul" at 21 min sounds also superb. Thanks for your efforts Savagegeese.

[@trippplefive]

why don't more car manufacturers make sportback sedans?

[@vhateverlie]

trippplefive most sedans are designed to be the cheap one. The lift back usual counts as an extra door increasing price and insurance.

[@poopsmcgee2k6]

There's a few, the Audi A7 is a stunner.

[@sedohrj87]

poopsmcgee2k6 a7 is great but for 70k it's way slower then the stinger lol

[@trippplefive]

i know that expensive brands like audi have it, i was thinking about cars for mere mortals like Camry or Accords...wouldn't it make sense to include a hatch/sport backs to these cars to make them more practical?

[@vhateverlie]

trippplefive the new Accord finally got one. Mazda had one on the 6 series back in 2006 even though it looked like a sedan.

[@Sierratana]

A lot of comments in this thread about the squeaks and rattles, and having driven several thousand miles now in a GT1, the cabin is rock solid. There is wind and road noise, but no creeks or rattling to be heard. It's also worth mentioning that the GT and GT1 allow the shifter to be pulled towards the driver to lock in manual mode.

[@jamiedepuydt928]

I bought a GT2 a few weeks ago. This is a good/no-BS review. But honestly, this is the first "squeak and rattle" compliant I've heard. Have driven it 1500 mi so far, and she's snug and tight. Agree with the hate on the faux hood vents. Why, Kia? You have a serious car with those un-serious plastic things that take away from the looks of the car, IMO. I thought he was over the top on the stand-up display hate, though. Yes, it would be better if integrated with the center console, but I have no issues with. I love the car so far. I am driving a car, not a brand. This is a true Gran Turismo, and to get this level of power, performance, luxury.... and fun, you'd have to take an extra $20k to your local BMW or Audi dealer

[@GLI_1701]

I just got a 2022 Kia stinger gt line and I have to say it's such a great car....love it

[@KobeMpthers]

What the 0-60 for the 2.5?

[@GLI_1701]

@KobeMpthers 5.6 but i had to lemon law it. So i got a 2023 Volkswagen GTI which dose it in 5.1

[@ContentinMesa]

Just got a refreshed 2022. I would love to see you guys review it.

[@ContentinMesa]

@Catholic Firefighter as with most things you are correct

[@samv3485]

The quality of this channel is incredible. It makes other professional channels look like amateurs.

[@acidj4zz]

We live in an age where we can buy a Kia with a V6 twin turbo. I can't wait to see how this car evolves in the future. I just wish they made a 6MT for this car.

[@michaelschneider-]

+1. .. Agreed.

[@randomuserame]

Doubtful for the first 2 gens. Kia as a brand is targeting younger buyers, most don't know MT, they don't seem too focused on enthusiasts, to MT is unlikely, I reckon. Still though, an underrated make, but that also means resale is HORRID. 10y/100K factory warranty, higher reliability, but low resale; Objectively the best "hand-me-down" car you can buy IMO, esp if you want to change cars often and have kids you can pass it onto.

[@gregblack8550]

All good if you drive the car past 100k. Resale is a issue if you trade every 3 years.My wife drives 20 k a year so a lease is probably out as well.

[@pontiacGXPfan]

do you wanna replace a turbo after 100k?

[@stockey]

Your one of the only reviewer, that found so much Negatives about the Stinger, Most of them loves it.

[@lexus_offroad_adventures]

In the shoppe without Scott Turbowski

[@puckingrufus56]

What do we have here Scott? Hmmm performance Kimchi?

[@AireJayy]

Ronnie Trinidad He would 100% say that

[@troyjollimore4100]

Not much for him to have commented on here, but I was surprised he wasn't in the McLaren video!

[@liudizzle]

Turbowski is a useless turd

[@mag28]

No turbo? Big deal.

[@richjohnson749]

Had my 2018 Kia Stinger GT2 for over a year now. Not one rattle or Creek in the cabin. Great car karifa price point!

[@kimvette1]

To be fair, the complaints you make about the Stinger, like the cheap plastic on the lower surfaces, also applies to all of the german makes at that price range; look at BMW 3-series, Audi A4 and S4, or even Mercedes lower end offerings, you're going to find the same thing; premium materials or premium-looking materials where they are most visible, then crap materials where the car gets kicked and kneed and doesn't ever really get looked at. Rattles eventually show up in all sportscars and sports sedans... whether it's a lowly Saab, a BMW M3, or Corvette. They're nice and tight when new, then around 50K-60K miles the stuff suspension has caused some of the interior to loosen up. That can all be fixed with some felt tape and gaffers tape, and careful torqueing of screws. If you want an interior that holds up, you don't want any sort of sporty car, but a land yacht with a mushy suspension.

[@vegarosa69]

I'm in the market for one of these. You can get the Rwd GT1 model from $40k to $47k depending on dealer. The BMW 4 series starts at $44k with not even half the equipment the Stinger has AND the Stinger has the TT V6, which in the 4 series you need to go for the $50k model without options. Obviously we know which one has 100k warranty and will be more reliable.

[@jimlittle5769]

I own the Stinger GT2 AWD. No rattles...at all. None. And the console under the stereo opens and closes as designed. No sticking like you see in this video. This whole review seems way off to me. The Stinger is, simply put, awesome. Lots of room for people and cargo. Looks great, handles great, it's really fast, it's crazy comfortable (good thing to cause it's a GT). There's a reason it won some major awards and was a finalists in other major awards. Great daily car and it handles great in bad weather.

[@mitchellbrown6150]

Imagine this car 5 years later in development, all buttoned up, no rattles, engine tweaked, interior upgraded with major refresh in 2022. You would have my ‘22 GT 2 AWD, the greatest vehicle ever.

[@t1328]

Also, it's marketed as a GT car, not a sports car. It's the Stinger GT. So why are you expecting sports car handling? It handles very well if you're not racing it. Not even for the money, or for a Kia, this is just an awesome car.

[@AbeYousef]

@Peder Hansen this is inaccurate, they are the most powerful and most luxurious cars. It is meant to be both. The whole idea of a grand tour is basically just a big flex

[@AbeYousef]

@Peder Hansen most sporty doesn't contradict most luxurious though is my point. Top trim is GT and that usually includes more than just sportiness, in this case too the GT is the one with the twin turbo v6, so technically it is sportier

[@fitnessguru8012]

First time seeing one of your videos. There is another guy out there who does a very good job, probably gets more into the technology parts of the car as far as how the nav, this and that work, but he (and every other person I've seen) is not a car guy! I really like that you got into the suspension set up, weight distribution and all the other mechanically-technical stuff that serious car guys know about. Excellent!!

[@dbdigital57]

I too hate the infotainment look. Literally didn’t buy Mazda’s because of it. Love the Hyundai/Kia in dash units. This is the first review I saw where interior creaks, noises were stated. Good to hear an honest non-hype review. Waiting on G70

[@ryanhansen8445]

Yep. My biggest complaint with my ND so far.

[@WillMoon]

The one I test drove had some creaks as well. The rear hatch buzzing is a common problem on Stingers, apparently.

[@1ChilledDude]

TBH, the comment about the infotainment panel irked me a little and came across to me as something of a nitpick. The Stinger is hardly the only offender in this area. The noise levels though I can understand.

[@Maxfli82]

Agree. My current Kia Sedona has a beautiful in dash unit. It’s also very easy to use System with great graphics and a great screen which Hyundai and Kia have always been known for. Looks like Kia is just following the German brands here with that unit sticking up on top like that

[@WillMoon]

Yeah but it's a trend that the Germans got wrong. The Mercedes C-Class is the worst about this, it looks so unfinished.

[@St1ngerGuy]

I own a new GT2 and I can thankfully say they must have fixed the rattles/creaks because I have heard none. I'm at 2400 miles and still quiet. Hopefully it stays that way or it will be going in for service. I don't mind the screen in the middle but I get what you are saying. It's more of a matter of opinion which everyone is entitled to. I put some intakes on mine and it sounds amazing now although it might actually be a little too loud sometimes. Major turbo spool sound and a really good blow off sound if your under high boost. Really great car, very happy with it so far.

[@dorkultra]

did you drive it into a pond @21:18?

[@dsb8283]

Solid review. Very critical at times, but you are a reviewer and that is what we need to hear more of when we are trying to make an informed and expensive decision. It's surprising that many reviewers don't really mention many negative things about cars they review. I suspect it is to stay in good graces with the auto brands, make sure they get access. Or, maybe they don't have the knowledge to actually break down a vehicle like you have. Great work.

[@arnuilmees]

I'm sure you've been told this already, bu at 1:33 you have the engine listed as a 3.8L when it's a 3.3L.

[@micharemiszewski4219]

Another great review. I'd only add a couple of interior shots at night to see the gauges and ambient lighting. Other than that, the best car review channel I've seen.

[@shawnb9917]

Still waiting on rwd review!! I have one that’s a gt rwd and you can turn it all off. The awd model you have to have a GTS model to get into drift mode, aka no traction no stability control. She will drift from side to side and do some fun stuff in the white fluffy stuff in the winter. Gotta get snow tires on it though.

[@geethsan1567]

I honestly don't care about the cost-cuttings done in the mechanical area but what i want improved are the interior bits like rattlings, creaks, the little annoyances, etc. That would make it a perfect reliable car for the next 10 years or even more, I bet. I can't believe that it is so practical! I wish there are more hatchback-sedans on the market.

[@redhookbrewha]

Sang Eeth I have a GT2 AWD with just over 7k miles. There are no creaks or rattles. As the reviewer said the car was a press car, which are pre-production. Production cars do not have this issue, at least mine doesn't.

[@geethsan1567]

redhookbrewha | Ah, then that is great news, buddy. And hey, what kind of responses do you get driving your car around?

[@redhookbrewha]

Sang Eeth I get a ton of positive responses. Everyone wants to know what kind of car it is. They are shocked to learn that it's a KIA. With the good comes the bad, every Mustang, Charger, and Civic wants to race me. I even had a lady in a van rev her engine while at a stop light lol

[@geethsan1567]

redhookbrewha | Oww, these street racers wanna race anything good they see. But I'm happy that you enjoy it a lot.😁

[@mattrainey9454]

I have a GT RWD with 2200 miles on it, no rattles or creaks here either. Absolutely love the car and get alot of positive responses out of it... even people pulling over to talk to me when I'm getting in/out of the car. (I did re-badge it to look like the Korean Models on the outside...)

[@user-nifinei34jd9]

I will pick this up for $20k next year. Just like I picked up $48k 2016 Sorento SXL for $20k last year. Resale value is one of worst. Great car. Dont get Kia if you change car often. You will get killed on trade in/resalr value later on.

[@randomuserame]

Great car, and you will def get a steal. Resale is undervalue for the stats of the car itself. I got an AWD Premium used at 36 in Nov, I went to a dealer in Feb to "sell" the car and they gave me like 23... You're probably right, I reckon by Xmas you could get it for 20-25

[@flashbang217]

interesting how much you were off here. GT2s with 15k miles are still being listed >$40k.

[@Hallowsaw]

Base engine i would choose if i really did not want the traditional camry or accord option. The hatch on the stinger is a huge win for this car

[@damienpol5215]

If you're spending $50K on a German luxury car, you might get a 2.0 diesel, if you're lucky.

[@ShanerHulk]

Damien Pol 2018 RS3 msrp 54k so yeah baby r8 for around that 50k

[@damienpol5215]

Add the options that you want and then check the MSRP....sigh

[@MeynMotorGroup]

yes baby, you can fit 3 RS3's inside a stinger and still have room for your family and in laws

[@damienpol5215]

Here in Australia, Audi only offer a 2.5L on the RS3. I checked their web site and it starts at $93K drive away. A top-of-the-range, fully spec'd Stinger is $65K drive away. No comparison.

[@Almansa403s]

It's actually a 5 cylinder with 294kW, 480nm of torque, 0-100 in 4.1 seconds and a 7 speed dual clutch transmission. It costs more because it should cost more. A better quality vehicle in every regard. It's no comparison.

[@JavierRodriguez-fg6yb]

I am a fan of your reviews, very fair no BS assessments and recommendations. Very good photography and video production. Can't wait for you to review the G70 Sport when it comes out.

[@AlainHubert]

BTW, did Marc ever do a Kia Stinger RWD video? I searched for it, but couldn't find it on this channel?

[@chevyrupleix]

2400th like. Probably the best unbiased review I've seen. Not only talking about the pors, but the cons too.

[@carlboy-97F]

You will never understand the true beauty of these videos till you watch them on a 4K TV.

[@spacemanpope1805]

Found this channel a few days ago. You guys are my kinda people. Well done.

[@jimmyb1460]

Analogue gauges look so damn good.

[@MrCarGuy]

James Baggaley Tell that to the idiots at Rolls-Royce who think a $50 LCD display is better than real gauges

[@stevenhaas9622]

I think the hype is justified. Honestly I was really skeptical. I own an Alfa Giulia, which I love. My prior car was a 3-series. I drove a GT1 yesterday was amazed at how good it is. The interior quality and design is definitely better than my Alfa. Don't get me started on the Stinger seats. They are great. I'm a big dude and they hug me perfectly, whereas in the twisties I slide around in my Giulia seats. I also didn't hear any squeaks or rattles. I was legit impressed by this car. My Alfa lease is up next month. I was going to just jump right into another, but now I am seriously considering a Stinger. Never in a millions years thought I would even test drive a Kia, let alone seriously consider owning one.

[@gce7586]

Did you end up getting stinger?

[@JamesSarino]

I got to drive a blue Stinger GT AWD a couple of months back, and even in it's "stripped down" trim (no sunroof, missing some of the features in the higher trims), I found it's a compelling buy at the $38ish K pricepoint. I do own an underrated Optima SX turbo (the higher hp'ed 2011-15 model range), so I don't necessarily have a need to trade up. But if the right deal came along, and if my wife gives the OK, I'd certainly snap up the opportunity.

[@habitatLP]

i am getting my stinger in 3 weeks. it is the 2019 model with a lsd, sport exhaust and a kw suspension. so excited ^^

[@jamesroche3253]

I’m picking up my GT in Snow White with red interior in 2 days.... can’t wait

[@FeisarX]

"I kind of feel mixed about this..." That's probably why the first 3 and a half minutes of this video made absolutely no sense.

[@dallasmellsop5488]

It does make much sense though

[@ThePilotGear]

everything about this video made complete sense. (?)

[@cristalak]

I agree

[@GHE-bv1pf]

He says that in every video.

[@Croak1]

The G70 reviews coming from Canadian outlets tell me that not only did Kia try to build the Stinger to a price point, they got "Corvetted" by Genesis to a certain extent (they weren't allowed to go all-in even if they wanted to). The G70 gets better suspension bits, lower weight, with a modest price increase over the Stinger's max price. Add a much more subdued styling package (though not boring), more focus on premium levels of fit/finish and a swankier Genesis badge, and that's Korea's real 3 Series fighter, more of a sports sedan than a grand tourer. On the modding front, they've cracked the ECU code already, and getting an easy 100+ HP/TQ more out of the 3.6TT, that looks to be decently reliable, and there's a host of exhaust and intake mods hitting the market. The Stinger looks to be a sales success, and the price point and availability means it's going to be a modders classic. Which also means you should probably avoid being the 3rd owner, just like you'd stay the hell away from a used E90. :)

[@intrinsicimagery]

Wait. Did you review the RWD?

[@jackfishcampbell6745]

I'm totally sold on KIA/HYUNDAI vehicles, we have 19 kia Niro hybrid . I love this car great interior great build quality and great gas mileage . Best car that I've ever owned .

[@sedohrj87]

just so everyone knows 50k for gt2 is crazy right now. I got the GT awd version for 33k, same performance as one he tested minus adaptive suspension which as he said not much difference. you can have this thing for a steal.

[@56brever]

Was 33k out the door?

[@liptongtr]

Bro theres a significant amount of nice features that your paying for between the GT and GT2 Trim. If you just want the engine without the more advanced luxury features then yes, get the GT.

[@MAKESQ]

Test drove a G1 today. Can't say I was blown away by the interior but the car definitely has some cool features.

[@mieszkooracz7370]

RWD review never happened. Meybe now with the facelift?

[@mattmeador2720]

Well done guy. You reached a new plateau after the camaro video. Keep going, the subs will come

[@zlatigol9]

I haven't watched the video yet, but I'm glad that you decided to review this car so I can see if the hype is real or not

[@_dmfd]

We have a 2009 Kia Spectra5 as our back up car and honestly it isnt that bad for what $15,000 in 2008-2009 had to offer. ESC, aux cable port, USB port, 4 12 volts, 6 disc CD 😂😂😂, double storage center console, 8 air bags, pretty nice styling, functional side vents, multi functional trip computer, all disc brakes, 16 in wheels, 27 MPG, good torque, soft touch in alot of places, plastic silver trim everywhere, nice seats, tilt and tele wheel and alot more. It's not the car we drive everyday but 10 years ago they were doing pretty good things for the price. Especially in the hatch market. 14 feet storage with seats up, 36 feet with them folded. It's not terrible tbh.

[@cashmunny]

13:55 - I like how the fuel range goes down by 2 miles in 10 seconds.

[@mintchevvv1834]

Just bought my second one, had a 21 gt1 now a 23 gt2 tribute, the best car I’ve ever owned, I’d buy 5 if I could

[@viyau]

I wonder what the longevity of the car will be. I traded in my 15 Sonata because it was not aging well.

[@johninnh4880]

Best Stinger review yet! Now talk about the chipping paint chip/flake problem.

[@ast5515]

I was an absolute fanboy until you mentioned the creaks and rattles. I can't stand those. And props to you for mentioning them. Most reviewers are either deaf or payed.

[@michaelschneider-]

+1. .. Agreed. .. Hearing of the KIA Stinger's body integrity issues threw a cold splash on this enthusiasts interest. .. By contrast, our ordered new MY06 VW GLI 2.0l w/DSG ($31K loaded) began life w/11 miles. .. Having turned 11 years young & 200,000 miles recently ... without so much as a creak or rattle of its high quality interior materials and leather seating surfaces. .. The VW MkV chassis demonstrably is rock solid; GTI, GLI, Skoda, Audi etc.

[@JebsonofJeb]

He stated this was a pre-production press car so it was beat to hell. People who have bought the car new and other reviews don't say anything about rattles because there are none.

[@ast5515]

Crafty Coin No. Pre production cars are built better because they are driven by journalists. They must be built well in order to convince them to say positive things about them. Journalists driving 10k miles is about the same as you driving 30k. It will creak and rattle without the journalists. And I don't care what other reviewers and customers say. They are out of touch with reality. Please tell me a single car under 200k dollars that doesn't rattle. You can't. Because they all do. And if I can sit inside it I might as well make a video of it if you like.

[@JebsonofJeb]

ast5515 you saying that you can't stand cars that creak and rattle but also that all cars under 200k rattle and creak makes it seem that you hate 90% of cars on the market

[@ast5515]

Crafty Coin New cars that is. I drive a 15 year old car. I took apart half the interior and put it back together about 10 times, but currently it doesn't rattle.

[@blado3442]

I'm in love with the interior. Those 3 AC vents in the center there look amazing. The grill looks like BMW grills that got stretched sideways. I would love to drive one just to feel it for myself and hear how those speakers sound like with the 2 subwoofers.