Review / Comparison: iLoud MTM and PreSonus Eris E66

Overview / Review / Demo: iLoud MTM and PreSonus Eris E66. (See below for clickable Video Index)
Intro to the MTM design and how its used in the iLoud and PreSonus models. Overview and comparison of iLoud MTM and PreSonus E66. A pair of matched Rode M5 mics were used to record the monitors in this video.
Keep in mind that while you'll be able to hear differences between these two sets of monitors, you won't hear the full capabilities on these using your current speakers (plus some loss of quality is there just by being on KZbin).
I sell PreSonus, iLoud and more at awesome prices! Be sure to check out my website at www.PianoManChuck.com
** CLICKABLE VIDEO INDEX **
00:00 - Start
01:23 - The MTM Design
04:07 - PreSonus deviated from vertical spec
06:04 - Price
07:02 - Differences with iLoud and PreSonus
24:43 - Sound samples (Single Instrument demos)
30:15 - Sound samples (Rhythm demos)
34:07 - Sound samples (Song demos)

[@jcserrano1663]

The iloud MTM sounds beautiful for its size. Love your demos and reviews.

[@edwardroberts2946]

Brillant Demo , Thanks so much PMC.

[@ElTitoXBASS]

Because of this video I bought my iLouds after watching lots of other comparatives. Best buy ever. Thanks for all the details you unveiled here.

[@PianoManChuck]

Enjoy!

[@georgeneilson6070]

Thanks Chuck so much information , looks like personal preference. Thanks again.

[@RobinJohnson]

INDEX: 01:23-The MTM Design 04:07-PreSonus deviated from vertical spec 06:04- Price 07:02 Differences wit iLoud and PreSonus 24:43-Sound samples (Single Instrument demos) 30:15- Sound samples (Rhythm demos) 34:07 -Sound samples (Song demos

[@Pharesm]

You really put every possible effort into that review, much thanks! I have given the little brother of the E44 a good, hard look, thinking about how fast, accurate and clear good 3.5" mid woofers usually sound! I wish I could ever find a review this good on the Presonus Sceptre S8 monitors

[@andreashansen5313]

Hey sorry for the very late reply, but regarding the Screptre S8 monitors: They sound really good. I'm not a music producer or anything, but I can tell the sound quality, detail and stereo image is on point. I use them along with the Audient ID22 interface and a pair of Temblor T10 subwoofers, and it's awesome. Definitely worth the money.

[@Pharesm]

@@andreashansen5313 Much thanks for the answer! I went with a pair of Genelecs + Woofer, which is definitely good, yet, for some reason my ears always seem to like the sound of a good horn best... Its good that you reminded me! I'll check current prices on those :D

[@TheDarius1968]

@@Pharesm Which Genelecs - I currently have my eye on a pair of the 8020D - did you go with, and what made you choose those over the iLoud MTMs, for instance?

[@SpacedOutDoonie]

Super solid review, great breakdowns and explanations.

[@AntonioMeres]

Heeellooooo iLoud!!! 😮 Thanks for the review man!

[@andregomes7732]

Amazing video, thanks Chuck!

[@PianoManChuck]

Thanks for watching

[@vannk73]

It's really amazing. I wanted to prefer the Presonus based on the size of those drivers, but the iLoud is beating them in terms of detail and dynamics.

[@ppratt2449]

I use these PreSonus as my computer gaming speakers, they are awesome!(in surround of course) With their 10" sub...

[@harrym8556]

So refreshing to see a review by an actual musician (instead of a consumer youtuber). This review is a million times better!

[@PianoManChuck]

Thanks Harry... really appreciate hearing that!

[@bjamminsincebirth3494]

I think the Iloud is brighter because of that digital converter. I think the presonus is more natural sounding. I like both.

[@JPDC624]

Yep, there’s that tubby PreSonus sound, same thing I get from my Eris E5/T10 combo. Done with that. Ordered my MTMs 20 mins ago.

[@mattydemont]

Great review! What do you think of the combination Kawai MP11SE + iLoud?

[@clydesandry5351]

Firstly you zre the very best of the best when it comes to reviews. Honest, open and detailed. I bought my Kawaii MP 11SE primarily on your review. Now, i have been using a pair of Tannoy Reveal 502's with 5" woofer and tweeter. Each speaker bi-amped 75w per side. They cost me 260 euros for the pair. I purchased a pair of i loud mtm's to compare. They were going to cost me 670euros discounted. The truth was. To my ears, very little difference. I did a number blind tests with friends most could not say one was better. And often they prefered the Tannoys. Now they are amazing for the size, but your paying more than twice the price for a smaller design. My advice would be try them live against a high quality speaker with 5" bass and see how much difference there is for extra money. Especially if your using for home use. Ive returned the MTM's purely because there the difference was not noticable for twice the money. Sorry for the lenth of my comment. AND This is no reflection on Chuck. He's the best of the best.....😊

[@PianoManChuck]

MTM speaker design is good for when you're sitting at a mixing console or your desk or other setup where you basically don't move much from the triangular position that's ideal for the setup between the two monitors and your ears. The included calibration mic also sets it up for optimal listening while in that position. The Tannoy monitors you're using are NOT of the MTM design, so you'll get a much wider dispersion that's better for moving around in the room. The narrow dispersion of the MTM design, again, is good for a fixed listening position - which is what mixing engineers will be doing anyway.

[@clydesandry5351]

Thank you. I can see that now. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@tradehut2782]

The ilouds seems to have richer mids but the e66 sounds less restricted

[@fedism]

iLoud sounds ridiculously good.

[@sandscribbler]

Thanks for the review. On the back of the PreSonus, they could have made the difference between the top two "Acoustic Space" desk diagrams a little more obvious! I guess in the first diagram, the desk is a little further away from the wall than in the second one. But at first glance, it's not all that clear that those lines are intended to represent the back wall.

[@themastroiannis]

great review!! can you connect a subwoofer to the ilouds? thanks.

[@LuisJacob366]

Hearing the dynamics of both in my iPhone 1mm speaker

[@distortimus7631]

I am looking to buy a new pair of studio monitors. Now I have the Presonus Eris 3.5 and they are great for their price. How would you compare the Eris E66 to some of the other speakers like JBL 308P mkII, Adam audio T5V, KRK Rokit 5, Mackie MR624, etc.?

[@martinmurillo9468]

Should that Presonus E66 can be used in Metal? etiher way can be versatile? both Monitors sounds good. Nice review

[@olivier63343]

hello, I saw in another video that you were using iloud micro monitor, do we have a good sound or should we take the iloud MTM? , what's your opinion ? thank you

[@DungeonsHeroes]

i think i can hear a wider range of frequencies with the presonus. more mids and highs.

[@johnsweda2999]

Can you use both microphones in stereo for calibration. They could have used ASP instead of DSP would have been better Presonus better more detail seems to have a wider soundstage more controlled the iloud sound muddy and lost a bit. How much are the presonus.? I might consider them, I was looking at the new tannoy 8 in gold monitor concentric driver series any experience Don't forget the iloud are limited to how far they can go back with the presonus can go right against the wall and enhance the low to mid frequencies even further

[@24lenard]

Hello master do you have LD Systems Dave 8 XS review and test?

[@DrumRoody]

Do the mid cones work as an array?

[@ethandonohue4685]

can u connect thes to ur phone to play music from your phone ??

[@compfox]

I always wonder, how I should hear differences in sound with my laptop earplugs...

[@FVDaudio]

Excelente.

[@studioopinions5870]

Oh this is tricky, I liked the iLoud, but it's a bit distorted, not by much, but it has more mid range. as for the Presonus, It wins on all but the mid range, is weak but present. and the bass in the Presonus is wonderful. Now if you can get all of them hooked up at the same time. Maybe. Lol. Thanks for sharing so many speakers. Terry

[@endrizo]

Great review ..thanks...

[@geebee44]

LOL... it's funny how the mind works till you realize a few things. So I'm sitting over here "wowing" and "awing" at the sound the iLouds were putting out during his test... Got all excited and everything thinking of how well they were standing up to Eris E66 bully looking-ass until it downed on me that I was actually listening to the great sound of a Dell sound bar attached to the base of one of my work monitors... LMAO I do imagine that we can get a certain perception of quality drop-off (or not) when the speakers are A and B'd... still, GREAT job!

[@PianoManChuck]

That's correct - you're hearing them through your own speakers! While you won't be able to tell what these actually sound like in person, you can definitely tell the difference between the two, which should satisfy the purpose of this video.

[@geebee44]

@@PianoManChuck the same thing happens when viewing television adds through your own TV's lens... I sure that both sets are worthwhile investments. I know a few people with the IKs and everyone likes them

[@skovbowden8113]

Great Review! To my ears the Ilouds sound too sparkling ( kinda, compressed) bright. The presonus sound way more natural and mature. What monitor switch is that if I may ask? Thank you, Skov

[@PianoManChuck]

Thanks for your comment! The monitor switch is a Hosa SLW-333.

[@sanchotomaroy1209]

Iloud make sound fuller with bass, pleasing to hear than presonus too natural

[@txddyfarquh3916]

All these videos are great references BUT at the end of the Day the Listener MUST hear these speakers IN person in a treated room for maximum performance to truly make a decision

[@mupbelchen010701]

Hi Chuck👍 I'm playing a Roland FP 30 Stagepiano. I'm mainly concerned with the piano sound. Do I have to have 2 speakers or is 1 speaker sufficient? I want to improve the sound only for me at home. I don't make sound recordings either. Please excuse my bad English I come from Germany and have not learned English so well 👍😎

[@PianoManChuck]

Two speakers are necessary to reproduce the piano the way Roland intended it to be heard (in stereo).

[@mupbelchen010701]

PianoManChuck Thank you for your quick answer. I'm gonna buy the ILoud Micros! Thanks to your help, I finally decided which speakers I'm taking. Thank you.👍 Or should I take Presonus 5? 🤦‍♂️ What do you mean?

[@PianoManChuck]

This will help you decide: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mXzIgXyhhdKXgtk

[@skiptomygroove7009]

You should put the links in your description so you get a kickback from amazon for product referral purchases

[@PianoManChuck]

I'm an authorized dealer for both brands - people can purchase from me directly at www.PianoManChuck.com

[@tasty2755]

In Germany a pair of iloud mtm costs around 700 Euros while a pair of Presonus Eris E66 costs 550 Euro. So saving 150 Euros is a no brainer for me as the difference is not that big. And if you already own a calibration mic and software, you can calibrate the eris too, if your room is bad.

[@TheEchelon]

MTM sounds a lot better if you ask me. Also, the size is a lot nicer.

[@jenshuxley]

i have 3 e66, use a eq on round 550hz for the 450-650hz range(Windows Equalizer APO is good for that), here is a speaker resonance and without this resonances sounds the e66 so much better... and in combination with subwoofer (lowcat on 100hz) make you happy again :D i use midfield on round 3 meters, for midfield is 2-3db for highs really nice, generally for me is a little bit more highs good for e66. greetings ach und ich habe für die 3 e66 750€ im sale bezahlt :D

[@James_Gilchrist]

'Really appreciate the quality of your review, Chuck. Listened to your video using a pair of iLoud MMs (not MTMs) and unlike on my phone or home theater set-up, I could hear some background buzz/hum from both the MTMs and the PreSonus. Can you tell me if that buzz was coming from the monitors or from some other part of your setup? I have spent a lot of time trying to figure out and eliminate that exact sort of buzz or high noise floor from my own mixing set-up with only partial success. As far as MTMs vs. PreSonus speakers, I hear slightly richer lows and low mids from the PreSonus resulting in a greater clarity overall. But it could be that the PreSonus monitors are adding their own character to the sound which my ears may like better but at the expense of true "flatness". Very informative comparison, regardless! 'Love your channel - thanks for the effort and the attention you pay to the details! 👍

[@xingyuhe925]

it's coming from your mm's. mine have the same problem

[@busywl69]

the iLouds are great but I can't get with the pricing. not when there are better alternatives out there for that money or just $50 more. nice vid.

[@TheEchelon]

Like what?

[@ricardojeudy5892]

Here's my question, are these monitors in the video 2 way or 3 way monitors?

[@anthonysilva5312]

2 way, D’appalito configuration

[@Bigricky06]

@@anthonysilva5312 thank you for the answer.

[@bryanbarajasBB]

Seems like for true mid-highs you go with ILouds! But, how can you connect a sub with it? Links?

[@PianoManChuck]

With most pro subs, they have left & right 1/4" line inputs and left &right 1/4" line outputs. You feed your source to those line inputs, and then the line outputs go to your regular studio monitors. The sub takes what it needs from there.

[@bryanbarajasBB]

@@PianoManChuck What do you think of PreSonus Temblor T10 Powered Studio Subwoofer with the iloud? And do you sell the Sub-PreSonus?

[@PianoManChuck]

@@bryanbarajasBB I do sell PreSonus gear - send me a PM.

[@bryanbarajasBB]

@@PianoManChuck Just did👍

[@doriesbps6223]

Presonus seem Fuller but sound separation better on iloud mtm..

[@vocalian]

I loud is more clear than presonus. Very Upfront and giving upper mid information is very nicely like Yamaha Hs8. But Presonus also good. Sound more natural. But i m not sure which will give better mix. because monitor reaction depends on room situation. I love presonus. Between tight budget presonus best.

[@ITSJVSTKVNG]

Presonus has a more flat sound based off of the demos I hear through my earphones. A flatter sound is better for a "true" mix.

[@TheRealJohnHooper]

The size difference.. :D

[@TheRealJohnHooper]

Hifi Audiophiles would argue that the MTMs are a bit wobbling when you play the piano and that you need a 1000$ Hifi rack.. ;-) Just a snake oil joke..

[@Master.Mi.777]

Hm, in an untreated room without any bass traps, I'm still pretty fine with my Presonus Eris E3.5 studio monitors + Fostex PM-SUBmini 2 subwoofer combo. No big unwanted room reflections or muddy bass waves overshadowing the rest of the frequencies, kinda flat frequency response, very low power usage, no unwanted inherent noises from the monitors, despite the smaller size a really roomfilling sound, you can also easily listen to your tracks from a close distance below 1 m and on lower volumes critically, very stylish design. And, for an additional critical listening option (especially for the sub bass area from 5 to 40 Hz, since my studio monitor system with the subwoofer only goes down to around 40 Hz) I've got a high-end studio headphones solution consisting of: - Beyerdynamic DT 880 Pro studio headphones (pretty flat frequency response, frequency range from 5 to 35000 Hz, very analytic and with a very good audio resolution, you don't have any issues with room reflections or noise-sensitive neighbours as long as you are mixing via headphones) - Lake People G109-P headphone amp (high-end headphone amp for driving high-impedance headphones like Beyerdynamic DT 880 Pro properly throughout the whole frequency range) Everything connected to my Steinberg UR44 audio interface with lots of different connection possibilities - and that's all I need. ))

[@budakhutan6104]

💯 this would be a good advice for my home setup! Thanks a bunch! Now I can focus more on my commercial studio setup!

[@Master.Mi.777]

@@budakhutan6104 I you want to go for a commercial music production setup, go straight for the professional Yamaha MSP studio monitors (the smallest MSP 3 should be fine, if you keep the Fostex sub) - cause the MSP series are something like the professional versions of the Yamaha HS series. The Yamaha MSP 3 are about four times the price of the Presonus Eris E3.5 - but if you want to do mixing at a commercial level, they are definitely worth it. With these you have an even greater audio definition (one of the best audio definition I've ever experienced at studio monitors) and a pretty even frequency response from 65 to 22000 Hz. And they won't cause much trouble with nasty bass refelections in the room - even if the room isn't acoustically treated in a professional way (wallpaper, floor covering, couch and other furniture should be fine to absorb most of the bass reflections). So, these studio monitors are professional tools which really show you the weaknesses of your mix straight in your face. Your old mixings might sound a little bit duller and less spectacular on the MSP 3 in the first place - but if you mix your old tracks a second time on these babies and get them to sound good on these studio monitors, the tracks will sound really amazing on every other sound system after the mixing. Besides, my newest track (the Goldfinger remix) has been already mixed on my Yamaha MSP 3 + Fostex PM-SUBmini 2 subwoofer. The tracks I've uploaded before I have primarily mixed on my Presonus Eris E3.5 + Fostex PM-SUBmini 2 subwoofer. So you might check the differences of the mixing quality a little bit better by yourself. Good luck, dude.

[@budakhutan6104]

@@Master.Mi.777 got yah. Hope I could find those speakers! Big up for the advice!

[@MrZenderOne]

iloud sounds more focused with better bass defitinion,presonus more spacious may be.Some people call presonus natural sounding,because it uses A-B amp class design which are old and people used to such sound while iloud uses d class amps which new in sound industry and still in development by various companies

[@enian5907]

PreSonus Eris E66 vs Kali Audio LP-8

[@saardean4481]

actually the Presonus do loose something with the excentric tweeter placement. the iLoud is symmetrical while the Presonus is not. It will have worse dispersion on the side where the tweeter is the furthest. Also "MTM" is one thing but MTM array following the "D `Apollito" rules is what the interesting thing is. MTM by itself is not helpful if the design is "half baked" And this is where you need symmetry and the Presonus fails this with its design. But its a long story and anyone wanting to know more can look up "D`Apollito" principle in speakers . Btw i don`t understand the comparisson tbh. One has twin 6,5inch woofers and the other 3,5. One 6,5 inch has roughly the same cone area as two 3,5 drivers. The enclosure volume seems to be like at least 10 times times more on the presonus. Nonetheless , luxury problems we have now. So many grat speakers for affordable prices

[@Maradnus]

Presonus WINS!

[@papa.alfredo]

iLoud sound better, richer and more bass!

[@tasty2755]

More bass can foul you.. don't forget that. The presonus sound more linear to me. But maybe that depends on taste and genre.

[@Honestlytruth]

Your also listening through another medium instead of being there I highly doubt the I loud has more low end than the presonus in person

[@TheDarius1968]

@@tasty2755 I agree with your thinking here! More bass or louder sound makes many think it's better, but not always...You have to appraise which one has more details and transparency, and the louder is not always the winner!

[@carminelombardi9575]

By their appearance alone it would seem that the PreSonus would sound better, but I was surprised to hear that the iLoud had greater articulation. They take up less space and sound better.

[@batmandeltaforce]

Presonus by a mile. Far more open and transparent. You can clearly hear the sound forced in the iLoud small box.

[@Ryantagcoffee]

I disagree

[@couchcamperTM]

that's the one reason I won't buy the MTM new. I have to pay for a mic I don't need nor want. idiocracy?

[@gabsriel]

The Presonus sounds way better to my ears.