REVIEW: The Payara (Drac's Bullpup Flywheeler)

[@LordDraconical]

You were way too kind in this video but Im thrilled to have yours in your hands. It was a huge learning experience for us over here and theres a dozen little things I would do differently. They are as compact and aesthetically inspired as we could make them with our capabilities at the time and we sincerely hope to wow you with Project Ajax in the future. Thanks for the video man! ♥️

[@outofdarts]

You had me at Project Ajax, lol. - Perry

[@shnoodledoodles8562]

OOO THATS WHAT YOU WERE WORKING ON

[@lego-man7694]

Bobololo rev trigger is best rev trigger

[@outofdarts]

I am so excited to see what you do next! Put me down as the earliest pre-order of Ajax!

[@Jk8Z]

*Francis?!*

[@atmaanu4825]

I love that the intro song is drac's outro song, nice touch.

[@outofdarts]

Thanks!

[@ivertrionnicblazingwell1757]

Whats the name of drac's outro song??

[@brokcen2748]

@@outofdarts yea whats the name of the song?

[@biohazard724]

With how much Drac roasts the Mothership about the lack of symmetrical deco this is amusingly ironic

[@mountainside7723]

It looks like a p90

[@DragonScales308]

I'm looking forward to the day when Drac and Luke make a blaster together

[@James-wj3nt]

11:30 Im calling it that Luke made a talon drum magazine

[@muertolamento]

@@Samuel-yl9yo I think in retrospect it was the Tachi mag he made

[@niceboy6010]

Drac is a talented guy, I mean I could never produce anything this clean looking in my life. But for $400 those gaps in the body and the mag well seem unforgivable in my opinion.

[@LUCHATHOR13]

I love Bullpups, but I'm not a fan of this blaster. I wonder if there will be an updated version or something eventually.

[@outofdarts]

Me too! It was incredibly comfortable to use, and the performance alone means I'd like to see Drac revisit it in the future. - Perry

[@JohnJames.]

This isn't just a blaster review, it's a business lesson , as well. I'm itching to get a hobby to pay the bills , but the business side is a whole nother level. At this time dracs comment has 83 likes , and this video has 83 comments now

[@outofdarts]

What 3D-printed blaster should we review next? Let us know below!

[@grapeapeductape2489]

I think you should try and get your hands on Raijjar’s Sobek 2.0

[@moekitsune]

How about the Gecko by Ehdrien? (Also I'm currently printing out a Lynx with a very similar color scheme to that Payara)

[@James-wj3nt]

I'd suggest the Gryphon flywheel blaster, I believe the files are on Thingiverse and im sure it can be purchased elsewhere.

[@EnnesArms]

Either the Gryphon or the Foamknight XC

[@Sillybutts]

In the same vein as this blaster, the Bulwark.

[@genedocsinnovations8319]

Thanks for sharing Luke! Enjoy in the CQB zones when you can.

[@Nickrarri]

The print quality leaves something to be desired. The layer lines look very obvious on camera.

[@reedpratt1985]

Is that an aesthetic issue or are visible layer lines indicative of structural weakness?

[@moekitsune]

@@reedpratt1985 just aesthetic IIRC

[@LordDraconical]

The white based pla filaments are really rough in general. We printed Lukes Teal 3 times before we got those prints and even then it was frustrating. Definitely something we’re looking into for future custom builds. The lilac and actual white print funky as well.

[@reedpratt1985]

@@LordDraconical damn nearly 800k subs and you still have time to justify your print quality to people. Gotta respect how tight knit the NIC is.

[@reedpratt1985]

@@Samuel-yl9yo agreed, if you wanna complain about layer lines look at captain slug, everyone tells people to buy from him and while everything I've bought from him has been smooth and structurally sound, it has very visible layer lines and even the occasional gap or under-extruded segment. Once again, nothing to affect the structure but being so picky about print quality seems silly. Then again, Drac does charge A LOT for his arcane stuff so I suppose more attention to detail is worth.

[@ZakLeek]

Great review Luke! I really like the Payara and whilst it could be improved it is very unique and seems to be very efficient for playing with. I haven't seen a magwell with a whole like that before and really love it for some reason. Thanks for showing VROOOOOM it off! 🧡💜🧡

[@builderbb8767]

0:11 could that look be Buyer Remorse?

[@Grimreaper2458]

I was on the shop and saw the new categories I suggested! The what you need for springers and flywheelers. I was probably not the first, but its nice to shops take some suggestions and criticisms!

[@CarsonHolt]

Maybe Drac was mocking Nerf by putting the Payara logo on the opposite side they put the Nerf logo on 😂

[@JeroAstra]

The review that killed a blaster.

[@patrickrowe5781]

Great video. I like the blaster, a bit out of my price range but there are plenty other foamers that it would be better suited for, plus more options is better so I’m glad it’s around for sure. Keep up the great work.

[@reedpratt1985]

It's cool and all but that's a primary price for a non primary ergo. I don't even fully understand the ergo, am I intended to one hand it? The way you have both hands awkwardly resting on the front doesn't look right. Is a stock common on one handed blasters? I guess I don't see why this design required a stock other than for the bullpup aesthetic?

[@outofdarts]

I believe Drac first and foremost was going for the bullpup aesthetic. Like Luke said, if you wanted it to be a primary outdoors, a longer stock or a stock attachment would need to be printed to replace the battery door. - Perry

[@reedpratt1985]

@@outofdarts and then I still pistol grip it? I guess I just don't get what my second hand does haha.

[@akagainesy]

The files not gunna be made available at all??...... Also, trigger guard 😉.... And learnt from hasbro on the logo on one side LoL

[@Haoren85]

Free files!!

[@diggyperfecto1667]

Drac is on his way!!!

[@oXAngelusXo]

It's nice but for that money I bought the bulwark sorry. Payara the Bulwark and hummingbird are all SMG sized, generally making them secondarys. From a weapon in that role I generally want close range full auto and compact, out of the three there is only the bulwark which is full auto so its the only one that succeeds as an SMG. Saying the Bulwark would be less accurate is kind of a mood point, as it's an SMG, accuracy isn't it's purpose compact fast fire power is. I want long range out of my primary and for that I'd pick the Lynx.

[@rubenteitler1134]

I really dig this as a proof-of-concept but at 400 dollars it faces too much competition from other, more polished, semi- and full-auto flywheelers.

[@TSN_SUPERBOLT]

You should do accuracy tests

[@vitodambra72]

Can you still buy this blaster, fully assembled? If so can anyone post a link? Thanks

[@outofdarts]

Unfortunately, this blaster was only available as a limited run. Unless you can convince someone to part with theirs, it's unlikely that you'll find one for yourself.

[@vitodambra72]

@@outofdarts ok thank you for responding, much appreciated 😉👍🏽💯

[@thepudgyninja]

I don't usually consider myself price sensitive, but $400? Geez. What makes it so expensive?

[@PointBlank65]

Time, low production numbers, each one is hand built. Think of this as a custom car or something similar.

[@pyschohippymofo]

@@Jk8Z This review seems to contradict that statement somewhat.

[@hyperjohn6627]

Supply / demand. Drac is such a huge channel people would probably pay $400 for a piece of paper with his name on it.

[@mainstay.]

@@Jk8Z Well he didn't have that high quality and QC in this case did he?

[@shiikon2193]

@@Jk8Z His arcane series is just plain stupid. No one in their right mind would pay $500 for a caliburn or TC that doesn’t even have an upgraded barrel, pusher, or scar. No amount of print quality can justify the insane price tag, the machine does all the work, and he doesn’t even provide any cosmetic extras on them. The people who buy them either want to “support drac” or what I fear is, they’re just plain uniformed and end up paying a huge markup just for the fact they’re buying from a “celebrity” and don’t know any better. Smh

[@rohanramkrishna5693]

this thing is awesome. Im actually making a Hummingbird nerf gun today and cant wait to get it done!

[@TheSybermedic]

Luke, thanks for the comprehensive review. I would love to see you do a review of the Bulwark and then a versus between the Payara and the Bulwark. Also, congratulations on the Verge article. Thanks for everything you do.

[@mainstay.]

Wow you are a very forgiving customer. I would feel abused and extremely disappointed if I paid $400, had to wait as long as you did and then had to redesign, rewire and reprint parts to get it to an acceptable level. I don't think the excuse of " this is their first blaster" really works here, Drac has been in the hobby for many years and knows what quality control is.

[@BaaMnNYC]

That's what happens when people scratch each other's backs and give bias reviews.

[@SamSam-cc8dj]

Also considering that he absolutely rips into other blasters this blaster should be absolutely crucified. Especially in this day and age.

[@nickvencill7752]

@@SamSam-cc8dj Trust me, it has been. There's a reason he's not selling any more. It was a mistake and he openly admits it to anyone who asks. Now, what's better, giving up after a failure or learning from the mistakes made?

[@Haoren85]

@@nickvencill7752 sam Sam got a good point. I enjoying all the comments.

[@frogsbutfrogs]

@@BaaMnNYC if anyone needs more promotion it is luke drac has like 600k more subs he made it as a test run

[@Rosadesu]

When he said the Jupiter was 3 years old, I felt really old

[@bird-1615]

Oh, how the turn tables

[@TheRealLemongrab]

When is that pistol with the magazine that you said was about $75 do you know when it’s going to be on your website?

[@outofdarts]

The 118 Design ZINC is not our product. You can participate in their open beta by purchasing the Developer's Edition hardware kits on their website: 118.design Hope this helps! - Perry

[@TheRealLemongrab]

@@outofdarts oh, lol can you design a kit for the mediator to make it shoot a Vulcan chain?

[@billdevine4347]

Taking a page out of hasbro book not doing both sides.

[@malcolmr8348]

I think i would of gone for a p90 style grip

[@ianfarquharson3772]

Have you seen all the Chinese blasters that are cnc aluminium copies of 3D printed blasters?? Tungsten EXE did a good introduction to some of them.ThankQ.TkEZ>UK

[@Fendi0ntop]

Ima buy this

[@gearoidhynes8021]

Do ye have spring that goes in the n-strike raider

[@outofdarts]

We have a wide variety or ready-made and cut spring lengths available. We'd be happy to help you find the right one. Shoot us an email: [e-mail]

[@gearoidhynes8021]

Thank you

[@gearoidhynes8021]

Is their information on shipping

[@outofdarts]

Shipping estimates are available when you checkout. - Perry

[@yveshacault5802]

You can get an FDL3 for the same price as his payara, or get a Bulwark for half the price!

[@schmidtysmodworks4902]

The FDL Basic for $300 is also a pretty legit deal if you can grab one before they are gone. And don't forget the Hummingbird which is functionally almost identical to the Payara and very comfortable to use.

[@Haoren85]

FDL3 is better than this . Not sure if humming bird cost that much. Most importantly , where is the STL files?

[@nickvencill7752]

@@Haoren85 Hummingbird was $350, and no creator has an obligation to release files, especially with how blatantly china has been ripping of designs lately.

[@Haoren85]

@@nickvencill7752 I just notice people like to ask for free files. I am just advocating karma here. I really enjoying all the comments.

[@koopatroopa2810]

Hi Luke! Thanks for the awesome vid. When is the DZP MK2 mod coming?

[@outofdarts]

Thanks! We've got a lot of content lined up, especially with the Proton Pack launching. But it's definitely on our list!

[@koopatroopa2810]

Sounds good!

[@_Ping__]

I love bullpups!!!!!

[@rcjoe406]

400 owch

[@Koi_Phish]

I can never find 3D printed blasters which s annoying because they are so cool

[@trolleythebirb7252]

is it just me or does it resemble a PP-2000? (kinda)

[@chrislarson9504]

to me it looks more like a bullpup PDR from the game ghost recon breakpoint

[@trolleythebirb7252]

@@chrislarson9504 yeah it does too…

[@SamSam-cc8dj]

Maybe make it rounder and call it the Papaya ?

[@nickvencill7752]

That's what we've been calling it internally here at FPS. It's been, to put it charitably, a learning experience.

[@machgt]

was that top thumbscrew cross threaded?

[@outofdarts]

Just misaligned.

[@colelacey2875]

This well accommodate bullpup people.... Yea that's all I have 😐 btw Luke > or = Drac . Don't sell urself short. Cool for keeping it Humble

[@BlueJay_55]

$400?? Damn. Better be reeeally good. edit: He said they aren't really for sale so nevermind. It probably cost hundreds and lots of time to custom print and build all the parts. This is fair for a first run alpha version custom blaster.

[@Haoren85]

It’s says 136 fps avg . :D My stryfe is better! :D

[@moekitsune]

I would get one but from what I remember it's crazy expensive

[@stone.2247]

Yeah just like everything else drac makes lmao

[@FelixstoweFoamForge]

Personally I'd just slap daybreaks and a solenoid into a rayven.

[@idrissamorehouse5776]

Will hope to see a liscensed injection molded release of this design -maybe put out by a big box store in a year or so? Then we can all enjoy it- for now its VIP COLLECTOR status @$400 - very cool design -special ops /swat team of the future type feel

[@Haoren85]

If it is injection moulded , it will cost quite a bit. Probably extra 200 usd on cost for each blaster. Would you mind?

[@finnmacleod3774]

I love bullpup.

[@critual7049]

The mag wobbles in the mag well because reloading a bullpup is hard enough. It gives more room to put the magazine in the gun.

[@brokcen2748]

Then why not just put a flared mag well on it. It could have been solved without making it loose.

[@bigemugamer]

$400 DOLLARYDOOS!!?? Drak is one of the very few prominent nerf reviewers I do NOT subscribe to. I was just about to give kudos to Drak for building such an ascetically pleasing blaster, really, it is a VERY nice design, VERY nice... then OUT OF DARTS mentioned the price... =/

[@shnoodledoodles8562]

nice last night I saw his working on one :)

[@outofdarts]

I was watching live as well! - Perry

[@JoeLaFon3]

$400 and no on/off switch? Also, do people just not know about sandpaper fkr 3d printed parts?

[@Foostini]

That price absolutely does not justify the product you get. The ergo's a mess even for a bullpup, the tolerances between the grip and upper are whack, and even once that gets ironed out the ergo will still suck and the performance isn't anything to write home about. We'll see where it goes but it seems a bit puffed up, which is appropriate i guess.

[@nickvencill7752]

Hummingbird was $350, people still bought plenty of those. If you don't want it, don't buy it

[@Haoren85]

@@nickvencill7752 are you Drac? Anyway I am also enjoying this comment

[@nickvencill7752]

@@Haoren85 no, I just don’t get why you feel the need to make multiple comments on multiple threads hating on a design that isn’t that far from the precedent for its type and that was already admitted to being problematic enough to be discontinued.

[@sagethorburn9821]

@@nickvencill7752 we should just sit down and shut up? It’s a 400 dollar blaster from a known hobbyist who’s been on the hobby for as long as I can remember. This is a ridiculous design with terrible ergo, bad fps, and bad print quality. How can you continue to make excuses for this?

[@frogsbutfrogs]

@@sagethorburn9821 drac does not have the same skills and quality of print as luke dont set high expectations on his FIRST actual blaster

[@theswapmeetflea]

Wow, looks cool, shoots cool, what that cost you , what, about 40$? Add another *Zero* to that...... 😶

[@Haoren85]

- 400 usd - 3D printed - FPS Avg 136 Drac’s Praya Deserves a money decal So many comments on the price. It’s karma ~~

[@b8702131]

I thought I read 'The PAPAYA."

[@grapeapeductape2489]

Da talon drum

[@joshuarosario9865]

Please Luke you seriously need to sell these on your website.

[@DBZSeanzie]

Payara is $400, 135 FPS, semi auto, and clearly has some issues. Worker Phoenix is $160, 150 FPS, full auto, and not as pretty. ...😒 third party needs to come off their prices

[@chrislarson9504]

but worker is now starting to have their items factory made with their shells so its cheaper becsue its injection molded(i think thats the right word) where you can clearly tell that dracs is just 3d printed and most likely he designed and assembled him self with top of the line stuff. but that being said 400 is still WAY too much it honestly should be like 200$. my point is that you are comparing a factory made injection molded blaster kit against a 3d printed blaster that was made at his house / workshop you are pretty much comparing high end third party to just a normal small 3rd party. al are diffrent 3d printed stf is more exspensive compared to the platic worker uses and im sure that stuff is cheap compared to 3d printing filiment. but also sounds like this isnt going to be sold at all

[@DBZSeanzie]

@@chrislarson9504 third party in general is just out wazoo expensive by comparison. You can’t complain about what the big name brands are making when the things you’re selling are off the charts expensive by comparison.

[@coolbean259]

@@DBZSeanzie, it not his fault. 3 d printing takes forever therefor making it expensive. If he could justify it he would 100 percent injection mold these. Also the payara has other advantages of not destroying your Lipo, being more hvz friendly, and being more customizable, also most people prefer semi auto, the worker phoenix also a takes the slanted mags which literally no one uses, so having to spend 80 to get 6 mags for ur blaster is a downside.

[@DBZSeanzie]

@@coolbean259 Can’t wait to see the DZP MK3

[@bekincai]

1:30 400 dollars for a nerf gun??? are you freaking kidding me? thing better shoot live rounds for that much

[@blitzkreig1409]

i saw about this video last night in dracs livestream

[@digitalben420]

$400? Why? Because Drac says so. Meh. 🤷‍♂️

[@nickvencill7752]

Hummingbird was $350

[@digitalben420]

Hummingbird was worth it. Best FW blaster of 2019/2020. Got mine for $300 before he increased the price. Have since printed several more. One of the finest designs out there.

[@nickvencill7752]

@@digitalben420 and the payara is, on paper, a slightly more expensive, bullpup hummingbird. If it wasn’t such a pain to print and build, the only thing separating it from the ‘bird is whether or not it’s bullpup

[@digitalben420]

@@nickvencill7752 k

[@Haoren85]

@@nickvencill7752 I am also enjoying this comment

[@6thsun25]

400?With this build quality?And not full auto?Wow....we are not that stupid.

[@nickvencill7752]

Hummingbird was $350, and Drac's already eaten crow about the design. There's a reason they're not gonna be sold anymore, a big part of it is just how bad the prints look.

[@cybernova400foo4]

That loooks soo coool

[@Irisiswatching]

mod the 3d printed o

[@bbjtan795]

0:36 guys on 1 December

[@zaahirms8250]

Dayummmmm

[@pehj6092]

400 is over priced... i really dont see how it can be worth that . I would pay 200 tops for that . I have seen blasters for less that offer more .

[@quickcuts3000]

if Something seems too expensive guess what that means it's not for you

[@moekitsune]

@@quickcuts3000 the problem is there's better options for much less money. If you want the form factor a Bulwark isn't that much bigger and there's several pistols like the Grass Snake or Pigeon that are more compact. I don't see how this is for anyone.

[@quickcuts3000]

@@moekitsune All subjective points that has no bearing on what I said thanks for nothing

[@pyschohippymofo]

@@quickcuts3000 There is nothing subjective about saying better options are available for less money.

[@frogsbutfrogs]

@@pyschohippymofo someone might preffer the feel of the praya and preffer semi auto as I personally do

[@TEKASHI-de1qt]

A real gun is cheaper.

[@frogsbutfrogs]

no but children are

[@jehcgundersons1465]

it needs some work, but its an amazing first blaster

[@austinnava5022]

Cool

[@noscoperequired1961]

Why has bulpup made it to nerf?

[@DragonScales308]

I could see someone just running around with two of them just dual wielding if it were a fully automatic blaster

[@DragonScales308]

Undoubtedly the official better version of the Rayven

[@BrSgtJordan]

it needs a big AUG-style handguard

[@nirko_wz]

he has darts now, wow

[@sirsudo0614]

It looks cool but I think ima stay with makes a strayven

[@redenginner]

Make the rayven the part that actually fires and the stryfe an afterburner.

[@niceargument]

@@redenginner true

[@blixx3272]

so basically, you made nerf the off brand company

[@blacksmith5582]

I can’t afford anything I would LOVE this

[@HexagonThatReallyLikesVinegar]

It looks like a stock.

[@shnoodledoodles8562]

nice

[@aekebab8180]

ooh

[@EdwardCoplinBatman]

Guys, they're $400 because they're so rare. You cant even buy them on his website.

[@matthewbertram4312]

What's with the music? Is this a KZbin exercise video?

[@brokcen2748]

I cant find the music anywhere

[@Midnight890]

Lol there’s no music

[@Midnight890]

Except the intro but many people do this

[@kaio0777]

This is cool but need some refinement

[@mattzering2816]

Not worth $400

[@maslav4241]

you should get into airsoft

[@pyschohippymofo]

Lol. There is always one.

[@nglfrlollmaotbh]

@@pyschohippymofo yeah