Revisiting My First Sonic Game (with Mar!)

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[@Kolbatsu]

I keep learning that an alarming amount of people's first Sonic game was Shadow the Hedgehog.

[@GlitchanBlack]

I was born the year the game came out.

[@RancorousSea]

My little brother loved this game and it's the only one I didn't beat for him. I played it for like an hour and I was just like "man, fuck this dogshit" and went back to play Oblivion or whatever. I think it was a level you have to collect little items across the map I finally decided it wasn't even worth it.

[@mxyzptplk]

i know what you are, rtgame viewer

[@Brucifer2]

It really explains why so many people thought the dumpster fire that was Sonic Unleashed was a good game.

[@SparklingJam]

@@flordelizhawk358ahhhhh I see what you did there But my first game was the goat sonic 2

[@nikiforos1750]

My mind ignored the word "Revisiting", and read the title as "My first Sonic Game" and I bursted out laughing at the idea that Penny of all people would be playing her first Sonic game in 2024

[@blackspy8331]

Huge earthbound fan excited to play it for the first time

[@chariot5660]

​@blackspy8331 I love ghost in the shell, such an influential movie, cant wait to see it :)

[@kylebooface6359]

Most Fnaf Fans be like

[@poshiblitz]

Persona Fans:

[@neccturtle]

⁠me with undertale after growing up with the soundtrack and had fan comics crack my egg 🏳️‍⚧️ but never having played the actual game

[@Y34HT045T]

Calling someone's head "the dumbest shape ever invented" is maybe the funniest insult ever.

[@ironicanimations]

YES

[@discreative6603]

I love the subtitles referring to the game as "Shadow of the Hedgehog"

[@jamiedoesstuff5871]

I mean, that isn’t technically wrong, he is designed to resemble a shadow of A hedgehog, namely Sonic.

[@bionicdragon5]

I love the level where Shadow shrunk himself down, climbed onto Sonic, and stabbed the glowing glyph on his forehead to try and resurrect Maria.

[@ainsleyharriot6060]

something Starfire would say

[@crangejo]

badass

[@SophieBaybey_VODS]

Wait when did I do that??? Could you timestamp so I could fix it LOL EDIT: oh my god twice right at the start LMAO. no clue how I missed that, more than once even. Fix incoming

[@forgewaffle]

I'm gonna be real penny explaining that the infamous "which is fine be me" line was supposed to mean that shadow was okay with the ease of his task as opposed to shadow having no ethical qualms with taking candy from a baby kinda blew my mind

[@Tarofel]

28:56 oh my god ive never seen this im cracking up so hard. ive never seen eggman go "MY BEAUTIFUL ROBOT BOY IS JUST HAVING A SILLY FUN TIME BE NICE TO THEM" like holy shit. im dying.

[@fedoraking3611]

Shadow the hedgehog is the game that taught me the concept of morality and its consequences. Eggmans karate chop death scared me into being a good boy for life.

[@JeffreyThrash]

My Dad was scared straight as a wee lad by the donkey transformation scene in Disney’s Pinocchio (1940). You were scared straight by Shadow’s mad KA-RA-TAY skills against Dr. Eggman.

[@SonicMaster327]

@@JeffreyThrash They are not the same.

[@JeffreyThrash]

@@SonicMaster327 Right, getting chopped in half by Shadow is way more terrifying and realistic.

[@Steve-sf8fv]

@@SonicMaster327Guess which one of them turned me into a furry

[@anaccident12]

35:10 i love the cut to pennys realization bc that means there were 13 full seconds between penny saying "shego" and remembering kim possible

[@rosiered6712]

That's a wonderful fact to know, thank you

[@jitterbug4245]

"Do you think that Sonic is the type of guy to go outside and find like a REALLY good stick, and then just like keep it in his room forever?" The fact that I've actually done that before ✋️😭

[@styno9295]

the primal urge to collect stick

[@quantumblur_3145]

Everyone descended from the eukaryotic tree

[@JustAFantasy2015]

he would without a doubt

[@durandal_273]

Penny's first Sonic game being StH is still so crazy to me

[@FizzyChalice]

StH is perhaps not the most clear abbreviation.

[@durandal_273]

@@FizzyChalice Point taken

[@kdusel1991]

​@@durandal_273 my first games were the OG and Sonic Adventure on the Dreamcast. Then I got Sonic Adventure 2 on the GameCube.

[@Nobodyatall6022]

It adds up now that I think about it

[@romariodesrosier1450]

I got into the series with Heroes, then I played the others.

[@_zealos_8213]

45:53 Sonic: "Yeah! We'll kick this thing's-" ⬅➡🅰🅱⬇✅ *_"BUTT_* in no time flat!"

[@Hellwaterva]

Bro playing unleashed early💀

[@Chillipeffer]

did not fumble the qte

[@Mae_is_gae]

Just had some extremely comedic timing where the first quoting of "ok, why did, Chris Ross, just punch, kiss ross in, the, peenisss" was immediately punctuated by a fuckin betterhelp ad Like it went immediately from "in, the, peesnis" to "sometimes reaching out for help can be hard"

[@octodaddy1602]

Fuck betterhelp but that's so funny

[@Mae_is_gae]

Oh yeah no I 100% agree fuck betterhelp but that one did give me somewhat of a chortle

[@bejeweledbat13]

it can be hard indeed

[@anonymouslucario285]

​@octodaddy1602 what happened?

[@chefcandy4035]

@@anonymouslucario285 not properly vetting therapists, not paying therapists enough, allowing 24hr contact with the therapist (which should be avoided to prevent patients from developing unhealthy attachments), selling patient data (I don't remember what information is actually being sold but I'm sure it's something they shouldn't be), and probably more

[@Larry_Blazkowicz]

"Shadow...it's me, the Devil"

[@Jcproductions489]

“I have come to convince you to do sin.”

[@Larry_Blazkowicz]

@@Jcproductions489 "I will sin my own way!"

[@WelcomeToTiltedTowers]

The Devil? from the Bible?

[@Justme-kd9qy]

​@@Larry_Blazkowicz ok BYE

[@corndoggoiscool8223]

is this a bible reference?!?

[@ramenai]

3:54 "I have no love in my heart for AiAi," said the lady who spent and EXTENDED amount of time trying to get (specifically) the AiAi plush from that Yakuza 7 Claw Machine EDIT: 7:18 ah she acknowledged it

[@lamptrent]

as penny failed to extract AiAi from that claw machine, AiAi successfully clawed away any positive inclinations penny might've once held for him

[@comdop172]

I literally dreamed this

[@jellykirby2278]

Interesting fact the devs who were working on the game actually made shadow the hedgehog a first person shooter but when Sega saw what they were doing the told them to change it because it was allegedly "just cod but with Sonic characters" so they slapped this together in like 3 months Source you can trust me bro

[@daveslamjam]

my source is i made it up!!!!

[@itrashcant7947]

Can confirm, my dad owns SEGA

[@WelcomeToTiltedTowers]

Bro got them extra Sin points by singing Together Again

[@sftwrr]

17:02 THIS REACTION

[@Hellwaterva]

C U M M O N K E Y

[@sftwrr]

I'm glad you said it and not me..... :3c

[@SillytheSkrunklylilfella]

@@Hellwaterva YEAHHHHHH

[@strawberry_orchiid]

THEIR SCREAMS AMDJKANSKANSKANWJ

[@ElectricalMatthew]

36:33 this was definitely the most surprising scene in this entire video

[@llenastro5986]

29:31 ellie ATE with this

[@249thPersonaFan]

Why is the funniest joke in this entire video “I crush the alien”

[@starcoin5653]

Lythero, RtGame, and Snapcube all playing Shadow the Hedgehog? What is this Shadow renaissance we’re in

[@DarleneVoidDragoncat]

It’s the year of Shadow bro

[@KingKayro87]

The game is peak, that's why everyone's playing it.

[@Letsplaymoron]

Sonic x Shadow Generations

[@galaxychill9578]

* Sonic x Shadow -Generations-

[@bowowark]

I love that penny and mar so graciously gave us a sequel to the beloved “aiai is such a dumb shape” where they finally kill the wretched Aiai and save the world from damnation

[@alaormin3883]

I wheezed as hard as dry Chip when I saw dry Chip

[@clawcakes2]

PLEASE tell me "my name is pomni and i can't escape the digital circus" is in this highlights video. that shit changed my life. edit: LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

[@sonicheroxd5767]

3:34 I love how exasperated Penny is right out the gate.

[@SPARR0E]

Don't destroy my marvelous robot's balancing ball, Shadow! You'll ruin his fun little act!

[@ittselli3245]

penny's first sonic game being ShtH makes so much sense tbh

[@SparklingJam]

Makes sense her first sonic fandub was shadows introduction

[@ScareSans]

4:26 He's faster than sonic! He's faster than sonic! What!?

[@MR-mb2sg]

I haven’t seen anyone mention this, but Penny’s spot-on Bentley impression returns in this and I could not be happier

[@Chino65245]

36:31 ITS COME FULL CIRCLE

[@lydiart3529]

47:15 dry chip took me OUTTTT hELp

[@jaroski4116]

6:03 I remember the unedited stream and just started snickering to myself

[@Feltednorth]

I don't think he can say that on youtube

[@desmytool]

You can, it got reclaimed

[@LuperisNone]

You cannot imagine the surprise and then dread I felt, when I saw the title and thumbnail of this video.

[@mothsolotl]

18:08 God bless Ellie.

[@alex_-yz9to]

NOW THE MEMORIES OF LOOKING AT THE ARBY'S

[@cobalt2672]

15:18 Huh, I never considered that reading of the line. I always just assumed he was being comically evil, but that does make more sense... It's funny to think that Shadow the Hedgehog (2005) is indirectly responsible for the SnapCube dubs as a whole

[@ironicanimations]

Penny’s first game being Shadow the Hedgehog, saying “ew who is this annoying Blue guy? 😙” and then being able to do Sonic’s voice 100% accurately, is so funny-

[@marmaladeoftheworld9916]

24:13 - 25:42 i can’t stop visualizing venom from marvel talking to shadow throughout all this😭😭

[@neonal18]

Okay, but why the frick DID Kiss Ross just punch Chris Ross in the pænis?

[@damianporter942]

"ITS A LUPE" MENTION! LETS GOOOOOO!!!

[@nezaniatoimya]

This is like, the perfect playthrough video I previously held the Silver Campaign by Lythero in that regard but the sheer presence of MONKE in this puts it above the silver campagin

[@user-fc2xk3uv8y]

this edit is so good, it genuinely doesnt even feel like its missing anything from the vod. like its the full experience but not.

[@fc_Kenzie]

53:18 the TEA KETTLE LMAO

[@theanimatedone2313]

Penny: Time to celebrate the Year of Shadow! Let's get those sin points! Mar: *snickers* You have no idea what you're in for, my friend... *Penny enters Westopolis* AiAi: What's up, Penny Parker? *Penny experiences AiAi PTSD* Penny: ...Not YOU again!

[@bluelilacfawn]

no joke you dropped this JUST as i was about to pick something to play while i do chores. shoutout sophie and ellie again for the best subs and edits this side of youtube :)

[@Lucifersfursona]

Edit the amount of relevant overlap between the plot of the Sonic Universe ARK and the Trinity Blood universe’s ARK is frankly too close and I don’t know if it’s a coincidence anymore 😂 I love that the cut down comp from the *_six hour_* stream (that I’m still delightedly gnawing my way through) is one (1) hour 35:14 _kim possible🥺_ 50:44 “you can’t be talking like that, white baby 😰”

[@cheezemonkeyeater]

"it's just a bunch of pictures of ducks." BONUS DUCKS!

[@bionicdragon5]

Now the ducks are over here!

[@Poondaedalin]

Fool! Find the gargoyle!

[@TARDISES]

EMERGIS EXMORTIS!

[@KnuckleDude24]

17:02 Monkey jumpscare

[@AngelofGrace96]

Penny is so talented! She's pretty famous for her Sonic voice, but her Shadow voice, Doom voice, and even Eggman voice are all really really good!

[@Taikofan04]

Ok why the frick did aiai just punch shadow in the PEANIS.

[@reagansido5823]

52:39 Standing around at the speed of diagonal!

[@notavampire2025]

Reminds me of a time when my brother bought a PS2 disc that said "Shadow of the Colossus", and we booted it up it was Shadow the Hedgehog

[@thebandanadee8265]

Well. It was one of those things.

[@radbones3172]

I love how this playthrough also lowkey doubles as a director’s commentary for the Shadow dub at some parts

[@DynamiteRyper]

33:35 it’s a texture issue, the texture doesn’t load for “the monkey’s skin” leaving the creature as just the ‘Geometry’ that defines it.

[@ProfessorViral]

29:44 Relationship advice from Eggman

[@manuelinacio4038]

This game might suck, but it was Penny's introduction to Sonic, and I'm grateful for that.

[@kdusel1991]

Me too! I've never actually played this game before! But one of my friends had Sonic Heroes back in the day and that was pretty fun

[@LuperisNone]

You carry only darkness in your heart.

[@lrgogo1517]

When Penny started asking about Kiss Ross I had to turn on captions and summarily realize I still didn't understand a thing she was saying.

[@zackoon49]

18:08 i think about this almost daily and i cant stop it please help me

[@ironicanimations]

3:14 hearing Penny accidentally sync with Shadow’s lips is so unexpectedly funny 😂

[@nokostunes]

THE ICONIC DUO

[@donutholebandit6212]

Yeah, my favourite! Penny and AiAi :)

[@-sk8-437]

I see now why AiAi is confined to the ball in Monkey Ball. I swear at 6:57 AiAi is asking for forgiveness from Men. Also goodness Penny can really do a fantastic kettle voice, such a wide range!

[@KingKayro87]

No, that's a GUN Soldier.

[@geckookid]

PENNY PARKER IS BACK

[@caitlinabbott7895]

2:15 Penny: "Why is the background pointing towards a burger?" That's a good- (Wheeze) good question! 2:58 Mar: She's gonna be alright, right? (Gunshot) Mar: NOOOOOOO!!! Penny: (Chuckles) WHAT THE F*CK??? Mar: Why didn't anyone TELL ME ABOUT THIS??? Penny: Why did nobody give a CONTENT WARNING??? 4:11 Penny as Sonic: Hey Shadow! Long time no see! Mar as Sonic: IS THAT A F*CKING MONKEY??? Penny as Sonic: What the h*ll? 4:26 Penny: Well, I'm faster than Soni- 4:32 Sonic: What in the world are they after? Penny as AiAi: Oo-ah! I don't know! (Various monkey sounds) 7:18 Penny: You don't know my history with AiAi, do you? Mar: No, I don't know! (Ellie plays a clip from "aiai is such a dumb shape") Penny: AiAi's head is the dumbest f*cking shape that has ever been invented! (Mar Laughs) Penny: He's- It's the STUPIDEST SHAPE that's ever been! So I hate looking at him! Mar: (Laughs) You've got- you've got a little, uh, AiAi grudge Penny: I have like a Pavlovian upset response to seeing AiAi 8:05 Mar as Knuckles: Yeah, did you see that sh*t? I did that. Penny as AiAi: (Monkey noises) Mar as Knuckles: Yeah, I'm kind of awesome. Penny as AiAi: (More monkey noises) Mar as Knuckles: Let me hit em with my BIG FIST! 8:47 Mar: Really gripping onto that piss crystal, huh? (It seems Sophie misheard it when doing the captioning) 9:09 Penny: (YTP voice) Mm-kay... Why the frick did Kiss Ross just punch Chris Ross in the pingas? 10:06 Penny: I would like to do ONE STREAM in my career where I'm not, like, ceaselessly quoting a vocal tic for the entire f*cking stream! 11:09 (PennyParker I Am All Of Me Cover jumpscare) Mar: Hey! Who's song is that??? (Penny pauses the game) Mar: Hey, who's song is that?? Wait a minute! Penny: ...that just freaked me out (Both of them laugh) 14:08 Penny: Don't skip the loop! It's a loop (Lupe). 15:10 Mar: He looks like a KZbin thumbnail Penny: (laughs) (as Eggman) The ultimate problem with Steven Universe! 17:06 Penny: C*M MONKEY! (Laughs) Mar: (Laughs) I'm glad you said it and not me! 18:07 (A bot of Nickleback's Photograph plays as AiAi falls) 🎶Oh god AiAi!🎶 21:14 Omega: In other words, by stopping the third wheel yourself... Mar as Omega: In other words, let me back sear you a little bit! Penny: (Singing) In other words, Eggman, kiss me! 22:45 Penny as Sonic: What are you looking at, buddy? Mar as AiAi: Ee-oo! God, ee-oo! 24:30 Penny: Digital... Circus! That's not... that's not it... Mar: Digital Circit? Penny: (Singing) My name is Pomni and I can't escape the Digital Circus! My name is Pomni and I can't escape the Digital Circus! Mar as Black Doom: Welcome to The Amazing Digital Circus, Shadow Penny: (Singing) My name is AiAi and I can't escape the Digital Circus! 25:52 Mar: What is with these f*cking digital crystals?? I hate this thing! Penny: (Singing) My name is Penny and I can't escape the digital crystals! Mar: Crystal- (Laughs) 26:10 Penny: Mar, Joy, and I have been watching through the entire Star Wars film series Mar: It's been really, really fun, but then we see Yoda on screen and then we just keeo doing Yoda impressions, and at some point Yoda would just explode everybody's balls. 27:32 Penny as Mordicai: No dude, that was an uber fail. Mar as Rigby: STOP TALKING!!! Penny as Mordicai: We're cringe, bro. Mar as Rigby: AiAi will save YOUR LIFE ONE DAY! Penny: (as Mordicai) Not likely, bro. I don't even like Monkey Ball (As Rigby) HOW COULD YOU NOT LIKE MONKEY BALL??? IT'S A CLASSIC! (As Pops) I'm a big fan of Monkey Ball! Mar as Pops: Jolly good game! Penny as Rigby: Awe yeah! See, Pops knows what's up! Mar as Muscle Man: You know WHO ELSE likes Monkey Ball? 28:03 Mar: You landed on THE Snapcube Penny: ...K. 29:31 (Mar Remix) 29:55 Mar as Eggman: Could you please get off my woowoo machine??? 31:33 Penny as Bentley: Sly! They're like DEMONS! 35:10 Mar: We'll- we'll let the two go. Penny: We'll let the two go, the three go. The Shego. (Gasps and pauses game) Kim Possible...! 36:32 (Mario rises from behind the earth) Mar: OH- Penny: SHUT THE F*CK UP!!! Mario: Time to take a p*ss! Penny: Come on! Mar: MARIO?!? DON'T DO IT!! STOP!!! (Mario pulls an Eggman on the Earth and blows up the White House with his p*ss) (Penny laughing) Mar: MARIO, STOP!!! WHY?!? MARIO!!!! HE KILLED THEM!! 44:39 Penny as Sonic: AiAi, you're gonna get pulled over! You're doing 80 in a 25! AiAi, stop! Mar: AiAi, stop! You're a monkey! Penny as AiAi: (Monkey noises) 46:02 Penny: Ellie, if you're editing this (Ellie gets the message and makes a funny ytp clip) 47:24 Penny as Chip: Hi Sonic! I'm back! Mar as Chip: Hi Mr. President! Penny as Chip: Hi Mr. President! Mar as Chip: Hi Mr. President! 49:40 Mar: WHITE TAILS! WHITE TAILS! WHITE TAILS! NO!!! Penny: TAILS! Mar! Scary! Scary! Scary! 50:08 Mar: Rouge, can you tell me what to get at Gamestop Penny: (Laughs) (Starts quoting the Bambi for the PS2 Green M&M post as Rouge) Mar: (Also does that) 55:47 Mar: Oh, watch out for the C*vid 19s. 1:01:43 Mar: That's Goku! Penny: Is that Goku? Mar: That is Goku! Penny: (Referencing that time her, Mar, Salty, and Joy/Dollip played Fortnite with soundboards) He's. Goku!

[@bigtytreemaster]

Appreciate the timestamps!!

[@barkwell_]

Penny's wild laughter gives me life.

[@scorpiouskrimson]

Penny's need to defy every word from Sonic's mouth got her the most limp heel-turn ending possible.

[@spicemoss]

I don't think I've laughed as hard at anything in months as I laughed at Mario Piss Beam at 36:33, holy fuck

[@boiledburger4463]

The PENIZ had no right to make me cry laugh LMFAO

[@Heartbeat-EDM]

36:31 OMG! It really do be the 'Super Laser Piss!'

[@camocaplamo4020]

“WE LOVE YOU MAR” - we all say In unison

[@jartism]

Chuck McGill voice: "Shadow the hedgehog I can handle just fine, but shadow the hedgehog with an Aiai mod is like a chimp with a machine gun!"

[@willytor7899]

can't believe mar's comment about shadow's eyelashes got 1984'd

[@Michael_H_Art]

Mar and Penny continues to be the most wonderful duo for sonic games

[@nominal654]

Shadow's origin story but instead of him, Maria, and Gerald its AiAi, MeeMee, and Dr. Bad-Boon

[@leotmbg.]

i know it's objectively a bad game, but it will always be my favorite sonic game. i think it's a combination of it being both nostalgic and ridiculously over the top. it has a really fun humor to it, intentional or not.

[@theodddoggo]

being there on stream to see aiai wearing shadow's skin for the first time was a truly horrific experience

[@SleepDeprivedGinger]

I got a notification for this right as I was watching the VOD about 3 minutes in. Thank you Penny for sparing me from attempting to watch an entire 6-hour stream.

[@adragonfruitreal]

PENNY PARKER I WAS LISTENING TO THE SONIC FRONTIERS SOUNDTRACK AND I HEARD KELLIN QUINN IN BREAK THROUGH IT ALL AND I THOUGHT IT WAS YOU

[@welcome4729]

Oh how delighted I am to be here for this

[@soothe_belle]

I rewatch the Sonic Unleashed playthrough with you two a lot so seeing this has me SO HAPPY oh my god the opening is killing me already

[@FoolishBanana]

Ah yes, my favorite Sonic game: AiAi the Hedgemonkey.

[@pointofviewman]

mar is so funny. petition to have him mod every game penny plays

[@randomlink2770]

In the dub I think Amy's only line was Holly saying "I'M HERE TOO!" at the very very end when all of the characters show up to support Shadow against The Devil from Bible

[@CaptJabber]

Fell asleep to this. Had awful dreams about horrific greenish-yellow natural disasters ripping through America... Surely a coincidence. ⛈️😡⛈️

[@swguygardner]

This was my second, after Heroes, and the first one I finished. I thought it was so deep at the time, and even now I'm like "Shadow is the only Sonic character who has a satisfying arc over multiple games" XD

[@Ninjacatmuffin]

You never fail to make me laugh. You and Mar had so many great improv bits this time around

[@TECH097]

Penny opening up with "The Muppets" was not on my bingo card...not that I'm complaining!

[@harrycarson6526]

17:01 C U M M O N K E Y

[@Dangil-13]

36:30 that part scared me 😭💀

[@markelbro5130]

10:00 I need this timestamp

[@SunFlower-mi2fb]

45:05 why was that perfect when he said "STOP!!" XD

[@KaladinPaladin]

I’ve missed Ms. Cube, welcome back

[@frickerrific2813]

OH MY GOD PENNY ACTUALLY PLAYING A DEFINITIVE VERSION OF A SONIC GAME THATS AWESOME! oh

[@MarKatoto]

i think something's wrong with the copy of your video game

[@SnapCube]

nu uh.

[@coyotix]

This mod is extra funny to me considering that Shadow has literally played Super Monkey Ball in TMOSTH

[@Xelia1337]

LMAO that song in the beginning

[@freddi00]

Really missed your videos! Great to see you back!

[@Penquinn14]

Aiai spin dashing straight into a laser tripwire and being crushed by a 20 ton ancient stone temple door is very Shadow coded

[@literallylogan6750]

this video is gonna feed me for an entire year

[@harrycarson6526]

49:39 WHITE TAILS!!!

[@daydreams4232]

Snapcube is forever my first introduction to sonic games. Like wym this game is a multi path choice game where Shadow figures out who he is??? That's unironically such a cool game concept. If the controls didn't suck ass, this prolly woulda been an absolute banger. Really excited for Sonic x Shadow Generations now. Also like. Such a fun video, the modding was really funny. Excellent drawing companion video

[@mewhunter27]

I saw the thumbnail and was like “oh that’s super cute! Penny has her sonic sona Babble, and Mar has a monkey ball sona that’s really fun symmetry with that era of sega!” And i had absolutely no idea what I was getting into I missed this stream man I didn’t know this shit was gonna be SILLY