Reviving the BEST DEAD FAITH in CK3

[@freddekl1102]

Ever since I saw that episode of Vikings where Roman artifacts are shown in York I've always wanted to play as Viking restorer of Rome, and now I'm seeing converting to Hellenism is also possible. (my plan with Royal Court is to take By the sword cultural tradition, seems hella fun)

[@midnightblue3285]

Its should be written as a hellenic polyteist culture then a ism, ism is turning culture into religion, its not a religion it should be in the spiritual categorywihout the fait category, So many things are missing and so many things are wrong in the game, but we can add new contents with the modding

[@goose93]

I think I'm going to do a milete Viking game, the Vikings bringing worship of the peacock angel to the heathens of england

[@sr71silver]

I'm confused. How did the game look at those modifiers and come to the conclusion that the conversion now costs 250? He has a total of -259% for the cost reduction and +600% for the cost increase. If the percentages are additive, then he should have been at +341% cost for a total of 27,783. If they apply in sequence, first reduce 6300 by 14% then reduce that number by 35% and so on, then the cost should be 2028.4882. Either one of those is a hell of a lot more than 250.

[@garrettw6532]

So, I did some digging in the code and I think I found your answer. It appears that the game calculates the piety cost for conversion in three phases: first it calculates a base cost from the doctrines of the two religions, then it multiplies certain values to create a faith_conversion_cost_modifier, and finally it applies a character_modifier called "faith_conversion_piety_cost_mult". The first 6 modifiers on the tooltip (everything from Character Learning to Defending in a Holy War) are part of the calculation for faith_conversion_cost_mult, whereas Apostate, Malleable Invaders, Religion Blending, and Stonehenge all contribute to the character_modifier. There's no mention of any of these character modifiers in the code for faith_conversion_cost_mult, so I think they're not part of that calculation at all, and just get applied afterward as a totally separate cost reduction. If I'm right, that means if you have Apostate plus 2 other character_modifier reductions, you will always be able to convert religion for the minimum cost of 250 piety.

[@brocksamson3282]

well, for stress, if you can get to -100% or more to your stress reduction, every stress event gives you 0 stress.

[@ingold1470]

@@garrettw6532 So all you need is Apostate and defend in a holy war, the cultural trait was wasted?

[@garrettw6532]

@@ingold1470 No, you need Apostate & two of: Malleable Invaders, Religion Blending, and Stonehenge - everything else should be redundant.

[@itzememario]

Cynical also works, so if you make a ruler with cynical and apostate with a culture with blending (like Burmese), you can pretty much do this in year 1 of the match

[@rios8470]

I like to watch videos more than I do streams. So Im glad this came out, love the content you put out.

[@QBrute_]

"A cymbal from the gods" -- I died...

[@MunchKING]

Nice to know Heaven has a good internet connection. :D

[@KalisaFox]

getting the first tier pillage trait for 100% bonus prestige from battles and then going after countries that are similar in size to your military to get them to want to defend seems to be the best way to get presitge early, i got to around 6k troops and started raiding france, soon as they pop their army out to attack i clear it then continue to follow and kill it over and over again till it disappears, usually resulting in 3-5k prestige, risk is if they manage to beat ur army but as long as u got the counter to men at arms for them and better knights its usually a cakewalk. That or going to countries that are in a war, raid them and attack them and the attacking armies over and over for extra prestige, you also get extra prestige for killing in alliance wars, so handy to have several alliances for easy prestige battles.

[@juhantepandi122]

u can also romance your own wife or other peoples wives

[@Alister222222]

This +1000. The pillage branch is absolutely broken, and you can get 3000+ prestige/fame for a single fight by the late game. When your 10-year-old son takes over and has no fame, he'll be a living legend in just a few years if you can find a couple of decent sized wars you can win. Add to that you can be getting hundreds of gold per victory from the 4th perk on that branch, and you are set for the whole game.

[@DragonHeart1791]

As a Welshman who is getting into CK3 these videos are amazing, really entertaining and easy to follow, well done my dude, keep it up! 👍 😀❤

[@thuzan117]

this video was very helpful. I like to play Byzantines and wanted to bring back Hellenism but sacrificing hundreds of people felt like a BS way to do it so I took some cues from this and started tweaking my culture. I didn't get all of the discounts you did but I didn't need them. One cultural tradition, cynical and a very high level learning ruler let me get to Hellenism with a few steps. First I made a christian faith that was basically Hellenism but Christian as a hypothetical stepping stone but the price was still too high because it was an organized religion so I converted to Asatru, now I did end up sacrificing my prisoners but that was just as much about clearing out my prison as it was the piety and my guy already had plenty banked from his long life. So from Asatru I was able to bring back Hellenism with all the other discounters factored in and had a pretty substantial amount of piety left over, enough to reform the faith and then some.

[@Alister222222]

My current game is a hellenist run, starting in Fika (for the Fika achievement - the hellenism was just for fun). I managed to convert just using the apostate perk Apostate and grinding about 5k piety (started as a 0-year-old custom character). I think any pluralistic unreformed religion should be able to do this - it is probably only impossible if you are reformed since that would raise the cost to a bajillion. On a side note, my 0-year-old ruler ended up living to 97(!), founding an empire (which he named Fika), conquering Constantinople, and reforming Hellenism into a nudist religion (because what is more Greek than naked sports).

[@Thatoneguezzt]

Actually, you could've convert just with apostate plus two of three following (cynical/religion blending/malleable invaders) since these are the modifiers that stack and calculated after all others, so summary they will reduce the cost by 105%, which means that you will GET piety from conversion, but since minimal cost is forcely set to 250 by game, the cost changes to 250 automatically. So, the most important things there are the perk, cultural traditions/cynical trait. And you can be basically the follower of any other faith or religion and the cost will be 250. So it's much less complicated in reality.

[@demutrudu6106]

The issue is that the percentages are additive. That means you have to stack all those buffs because converting to a dead religion makes it cost 500% more. Thus, you have to add all the possible percentage increases to have a chance of doing it.

[@crazehsmile]

@@demutrudu6106 yes but not entirely, he's right in saying that you only need those, because they get applied AFTER everything else. The other modifiers (dead religion etc.), are additive and will increase the cost by a lot. After that calculation is done and you get something like 20k cost to convert, then that 20k cost gets reduced by Apostate/Cynical/Malleable Invaders.

[@demutrudu6106]

@@crazehsmile Ahhh makes sense, that explains it.

[@georgecant-stand-yeh5451]

Haesteinn would be a better choice imo you start with level 3 prestige at 52 and in runs I've had him live to 116 years old with whole of body which gives you a good at least 60ish years to play as him. You could definitely also do a varangian against Wessex for Stonehenge I believe its in the duchy of Hwwice which would give you even more faith reduction and gold in addition.

[@azraeldusk2154]

116? Longest I've had a character live for was a cusotm estonian ruler, dude lived up to 104 years old (he was 21 when I created him)...his dynasty ended up having nearly 300 members all direct descendants of him. Dude had great great great grandkids older than his youngest child.

[@CatchTheMarmosets]

@@azraeldusk2154 coz Hæesteinn has very high health custom characters cant ever hope to reach

[@haroldvollmar7296]

Great video man thank you. You think outside the box and your creativity is inspiring. I enjoy your content so much. Please keep up the great work.

[@dad6451]

I love this guy, a ck3 youtuber who actually teaches me how to play the game Normal tutorials are to tedious to learn anything from

[@krafs6537]

Very entertaining CK3 content. Keep this up and this channel will surely grow to 200-300k subs before next year.

[@preyo6511]

I don't care about the gold and prestige, I keep raiding the pope until I get that fancy hat.

[@samuelbyers7]

Great video so far! You are my favourite ck3 youtuber these days. also that discord noise got me.

[@bottleofvodka1927]

Loved the vid, was great watching as background whilst doing homework

[@tonywoutrs]

Reforming a culture to convert seems overkill imo😅 Malleable invaders and apostate already make converting to Hellenism very doable. Though I didn't know that holy wars split the cost! That's pretty cool

[@BenjaminBallin]

Doable? With just those two it costs me 41K! (As haestienn but still)

[@tonywoutrs]

@@BenjaminBallin that's odd... For me being asatru, apostate and Norse got it down to 4 figures But it's a while ago now

[@Filipus357]

From sieging a papacy I got once pope tiara and my ruler loked quite funny XD

[@toastingtoast161]

I really like the editing, very cool 😎

[@billychops1280]

A true Chad revives Hellenism in Hellas

[@Lowdian]

The truest chad revives hellenism in Laconia, as a vassal of Achaia, and works it's way up from there

[@billychops1280]

@@Lowdian facts

[@James-712]

I wonder if you could revive zunism with this

[@MunchKING]

It's the same modifiers, so it should be exactly that easy.

[@carltonleboss]

If this is a bug, I hope it doesn't get fixed. I wanna restore Rome as a Viking!

[@loudradialem5233]

You got discount from defending from Catholic Holy War? Also, what's the difference between existing and dead Faith?

[@frankwalker5921]

Existing faith is on the map, some people believe in it and some counties are converted to that faith. Helenism for example is dead faith, because there is literally none who believes in helenist gods and if you know history you know it's been dead for a looong while. So yeah..

[@loudradialem5233]

@@frankwalker5921 But he got discount because Faith is considered as existing, but got penalized because it's dead, so the game treats Hellenism as existing but dead. Again, what's the difference between existing and dead?

[@frankwalker5921]

@@loudradialem5233 I believe it doesn't specify WHEN existing and helenism was already a faith therefore "existing". If he wanted to create a new faith, he wouldn't get a discount. If you click on the other faiths, in game, you can see all currently existing faiths.

[@loudradialem5233]

@@frankwalker5921 Does it mean if there's at least one living character or county of a given faith, the game treats it as being alive?

[@frankwalker5921]

@@loudradialem5233 I believe so

[@santiagogonzalez1945]

08:05 my brsincells stopped stopped working for s second😂 good one

[@jimothyworldbuilding3664]

Imagine if he actually makes a video / compilation of him actually raiding the pope as many times as he's promised.

[@sraika4226]

Interestingly, you stumbled across the most efficient way to earn prestige and fame as a viking in this video (at around the 7:50 mark), but didn't follow up on it: if you hunt down the armies of people you raid, you can reliably and repeatedly earn over 1000 prestige per battle. The easiest way to do this - assuming you can win the battle - is identify a country at war (that way their army is raised already), raid anywhere in them so their army becomes hostile, and then go looking for their army. Fighting it will usually not completely kill it the first time, so you can follow it as it retreats for another (potentially several more) battles. The amount of prestige earned depends on the size of the battle, so it provides diminishing returns as you kill their men, but is still worth chasing if the initial army is large enough. You don't earn as much money this way, but to get to living legend from 0 fame, you only need roughly 40k prestige. This sounds like a lot, but if you think of it as 40 major battles, it can be accomplished relatively quickly without much difficulty. The fastest I’ve managed was just over two decades, but it’s almost certainly possible to accomplish in 5-10 years with a little luck, and a lot of micro.

[@natiiix5363]

I didn’t know this game before these videos came up and I think this acc is underrated cause the vids are hella funny

[@VSayes]

"Cymbal of the Gods" uses a snare drum as a banner image XD love the game breaking!

[@ZacSuter]

That drum joke sticked 🤣🤣

[@antonjunior9189]

i want to see the "elevating kingdom of mann" run after the royal court dlc i find it a lot harder now with the latest patch (relative to when the first viking dlc first out)

[@Alizudo]

The Manx Empire

[@just_addd_water_to_your_ramen]

I would love to see a run as the king of fashion!

[@just_addd_water_to_your_ramen]

@@OttawaWelshman fashion to rome?

[@charlesoliver1223]

Bro I swear you always use the best memes in the best times love your videos man

[@willgreen677]

Hell yea this dude is gonna blow up, just here for the ride

[@phantomboy9194]

I love how you make the funniest vids keep it up😀

[@phantomboy9194]

No problem why wont i watch a great vid

[@6ack1ashme1n]

The discord notification sound spun me out 6:40

[@princedaemontargaryen117]

I just conquered most of Sweden, Southern Norway and all of Denmark as a Made Character of the Sigurd start.

[@nunojardim7188]

i think you are still limiting yourself with this strategy. The faith conversion cost is obviously necessary and you got that covered, but the amounts of prestige and piety that you generated are very small. With a martial based custom character(doesn't need to be custom really) who fights the byzantines, novgorod france, wessex and umayads early on (the big boys of a different religion)you could reach tens of thousands of piety and prestige cutting some of the steps you had to take. How do you fight them? Varangian veterans and good knights with buildings that increase your knight count along with your marshal on the task that improves men-at-arms. How do you get the prestige for 2500 varangian veterans? You marry for prestige and divorce/marry your wife over and over again. So basically you get prestige and troops by marrying and divorcing and then you fight to get piety( can divorce again) and get even more prestige piety After all your men-at-arms are ready there's no need for more divorces. You just go to the character finder see who has the highest military strength(in your diplomatic range preferably) and beat the crap outta them with your varangian veterans only for thousands of prestige and piety. By the time you are 40 switch to learning(to live longer) and i estimate pretty much anyone( independent of their skill) could reach 20000 piety/prestige (much more if you know the game well) and you don't need that much to convert to helenism with the changes to conversion costs with the royal court update.

[@cmacm17]

Hey man, great video as always, will you be having another crack at the Isle of Mann playthrough that got corrupted? Very interested in how you'd continue.

[@joshuabuchanan9712]

Always tier 1 entertainment. Will get big I’m betting. Keep it up man I love the content

[@itzememario]

What a curveball of an ad

[@stellar7933]

00:8 that was way funnier than it should have been

[@simoncodrington]

Another great video mate!

[@BiggshowKF]

If you were 71, with whole of body tree and maybe legendary blade master or something similar.. 80 years old is fairly easy to make.

[@LexGuides]

Best way to get prestige pretty fast would be - picking a fight and slaughtering huge armies by raiding them (Aggressive attacker trait is great to go) They don't fight if you have bigger army, but ussualy will attack if you have little smaller army than them, even when they don't stand a chance Candidates for fighting would be: France, Wessex etc

[@demonkingbadger6689]

I could see Zeus in a band. Solely, for the groupies though.

[@jesse4884]

Ah, the dream of every man

[@d3gro882]

Good sound from the mic. Did u Change it?

[@maxthillens1324]

Can you do the isle of man and the north sea in the same life?

[@elleboii6846]

I don't know how but you can do this in 10 years with the Norseman in Kiev, I remember clicking hellenism early in the game to see how much it would cost, 250. Maybe a glitch?

[@cancionCR7]

Could've used ting meet to switch to Scandinavian elective and not waste all that renown disinheriting everyone

[@haroldvollmar7296]

P.S. Hope you hit 13k subs this week

[@ihsan9253]

Honestly love your vids

[@shiny1556]

Lord you are going to make the Germanic Tribes burning down Rome look like a joke after this

[@mitch9347]

Oh God, you can grant a county in that screen by clicking on it?! The amount of time I've spent scrolling.

[@candycorn6268]

Never once have I've seen someone name their dynasty after a rock band

[@SmithSens16]

take a shot every time something is cheeky

[@epicshadowdemon1211]

Meanwhile with me on Playstation 5 unable to diverge/reform culture due to the Royal Court dlc not being on consoles yet. Guess im going to have to stick with a 30k piety cost

[@friendly_sitie]

nice video, subbed 👍

[@frankwalker5921]

Wouldn't custom character help? Or it's against the rules

[@JacobMoitt]

Notifications squad!!! Back with another banger I’m sure

[@hattrick3090]

Everyone wants to cheese that achievement lol. Just use a CC and start as a county. Its more rewarding that way anyway.

[@milanowns]

Finally a fellow Canadian playing CK3!

[@sarahhatesit]

1:48 Absolute schizo post, very based!

[@antonaghful]

Ottawa "And an sub on that" Me "haha funny cuz subway" KZbin comercial "enjoy subways classic chicken footlong...." Me "... So he is an God"

[@anghelutavictor543]

Let's gooooo, love your work man 🤍

[@p00bix]

That fake Raid sponsorship alone was enough to get me to subscribe

[@mariasirona1622]

Joke's on you, i'm not wearing socks

[@abcxyz4936]

which version of the game CK3 are you playing?

[@arnoldgila9212]

You raided spifs tactic of jumping into the video Noice

[@arnoldgila9212]

@@OttawaWelshman yeah that is the most effective tactic by far.Like exploiting ppl mind cuz u won t skip past it cuz its short

[@jacama-bobjohan7516]

Before we start I'll be disappointed if there is no Alexander or Bucephalus

[@jacama-bobjohan7516]

@@OttawaWelshman I await part 2 eagerly!

[@jacama-bobjohan7516]

How have I never heard of cyclical raiding before? You're a genius!

[@Kai_Squared]

@@OttawaWelshman how do you grt the genius icon in the comment? Is it an emoji?

[@phntmthf5505]

3:00 you pronounced antiquarian correctly. Congrats!

[@j.p.l1237]

Symbol from the Gods huh gonna be honest took me a couple second

[@KillroyWasHere86]

I did it with Byzantium for 2k and thought I did well.

[@the_last.satrap6064]

Yess, after a long time.

[@derAlphabet]

Hope you did raid the pope over three thousand times already!

[@bibsp3556]

Ck the kinda game to charge 30k for a conversion; then make your dude convert to Judaism from a mental break a week later.

[@HDTomo]

All people who defy the Johns will be sent to Mount Olympus to decide their fate

[@brocksamson3282]

yeah that building that costs 285 prestige to build, gives you 0.25 prestige per month. You will need to wait 95 years before you earn back your initial prestige investment, that is, just to break even. 5:00 what i am getting at, is this isn't the best way to get prestige. All of the "per month" sources of prestige are small change. Go raid France with your doomstack, and wipe out their doomstack, and you can get a few thousand prestige in a single battle.

[@brocksamson3282]

can't you just have your character start with the religion Hellenism in the ruler designer, for free? I checked, and you can select Hellenism from the get go.

[@FunkyMonkeyI]

Zeus wants you.

[@coltyakel6973]

Mass raid take stone hedge and go in the learning branch

[@OleZorlie]

Getting that prestige on your first character is absolutley obtainable, prestige from battles are calculated by how big the battle is. Just go raid france or someone you could beat. Fight a couple of 4k vs 4k battles or so and you have it.

[@OleZorlie]

looking back now i see you actually reached living legend but didnt elevate the kingdom because you wasted all your prestige on other stuff...

[@TweakaliciousTV]

Fun video! Have a sub!

[@Fraudkuna.]

show me your tricks you magic man

[@giovanniregazzo371]

Amazing

[@jamesgannon2136]

Ayo I'm from Ottawa too bruh

[@whatislife459]

To get infinite prestige, just remarry and divorce the most prestigious person you can. It will take you a while, and cost some piety, but it’s very easy to do.

[@Doubledisappointment]

Salah is god indeed :)

[@blacknova776]

I don't know if u can do it in ck3 but is it possible to take the whole map ?????

[@liammcphearson7081]

Why do you have so little subs quality content

[@edgychico9311]

Greek ancient religion is still there but being discriminated still by the Christian Orthodox to this day.

[@BrainPaste98]

-1 for discord ping. Had me searching who tf pinged me haha great video tho

[@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana]

Could you convert to a similar religion first to avoid some of the penalties?

[@OttawaWelshman]

Hmmm I guess you could mayyybe? I dont know actually, Asatru is already pretty close in terms of the mechanics

[@jhonsmith8425]

That's funny, the title didn't say Zunism :^)

[@oxLeDxo]

You have my like. U better raid the shit out of the pope 😳

[@danm3570]

dude you may not like my opinion, but you know you can just go to character creation and select religion, it's actually not that hard to play as byzantium and you can just convert everyone when you have the 3 sites. Unless there is a steam achievement i'm not worried about how i get there

[@125discipline2]

Ottawanianer

[@katrinabaldassarre5790]

HES BACK !

[@theubiquitouspotato]

Yeah my dude defo watches spiff.

[@theubiquitouspotato]

@@OttawaWelshmanYeah man he's a legend and There are far worse people to take inspiration from, that's for sure. You're doing great my dude ive watched everything you've done so far, its well edited funny and you've upped my ck game. Thanks for the entertainment 👍

[@luukasviljanen8774]

You were at ZZ top consert?

[@OttawaWelshman]

I wish!

[@luukasviljanen8774]

But a man of culture aswell!