Revolution Now! with Peter Joseph | Ep #51 | Sept 12th 2024

[@RevolutionNowPodcast]

Transcript now online and English subtitles have been updated. www.revolutionnow.live/episode-51/

[@miscellaneousSLUDGE]

Thank you for subtitles and the transcript, love your work Peter you're a legend

[@waltergoring8428]

Thanks for all your great work

[@---Free-Comics---IG---Playtard]

I found a cyclical cycle! ---> ♾ Neat huh? 🤯

[@Perenbarn]

I am not being hyperbolic at all when I say this must be the most "underrated" podcast in human history.

[@kraka2oanIner]

There are others, also . . . just gotta dig deep. But I still don't think you're at all hyperbolic.

[@CalHarle]

Peter, not only has an incredible intellect, he is deeply connected to source. He speaks truth. A light worker.

[@balanzed5713]

Hey Peter hope you're doing well. Thank you for your continued illumination on the most important topics of our time.

[@wavetrex]

He's probably very busy with the new movie. Not worried, I'm sure this series will pick speed up more after the movie is released.

[@Optim40]

@@wavetrex Mad dramatic

[@Apoplectic_Spock]

Another release from Peter and another reminder that progressive thought still has yet to take hold within our society. The bewilderment we all feel... at least we're together. It's the only consolation I can come up with and it's not much. Maybe the next "cyclical cycle" will bring change. 😆

[@mattvm00]

Historically, the progressive left (or petite bourgeois) has been the most militant protectors of market capitalism. The history of the left is filled with incredible diversty of thought, however the dividing line between political thought systems, that can be inferred from Peter, is do we need a new system or is this system need to be improved. Those to camps have been mortal enemies accross human history.

[@aerobique]

@@mattvm00 "..have been mortal enemies accross human history." i think i have some good news for you: there's at least 150.000+ years of *human history" and that was happening in relative stability harmony ( this is: many thousands and tens of thousands of years of normalcy, presumably even pretty good times. - but we're dealing today with a quite young, accumulative phenomenon of socially degenerative, violent and abusive adaptivity spiral... all while ""This is what our ruling class has decided, will be normal"" was happening to us only since like 10k years which is only 200 or 250 generations, max the thing is: people are good... actually... &---WE ARE THE PEOPLE OF EARTH 🌏🌎🌍

[@kraka2oanIner]

@@mattvm00 Sounds like: "AOC-Pelosi", from the Obama school of "bait and switch" to whom you refer. I think I GET it! Peter transcends from this, and I appreciate it!

[@yv6eda]

Excellent as usual Peter! Thanks!

[@01xrpplumbing]

Peter Joseph, I’ve been following you since 2006 I went to Venice, Florida to meet Mr. fresco and Miss Meadows when I was there the gentleman from your second documentary that was holding the briefcase was there I spoke with him for a little bit. He wanted to know more about your documentary he thought just being associated with it was important. I want you to please keep doing what you’re doing. Don’t let up. You have brought awareness to a lot of people and there’s more waking up. Again, I appreciate you as a human being and your knowledge and teachings of self awareness and critical thinking. Keep it going, Brother,. there’s a lot of people that have your back

[@zengokigyh]

Venus, not Venice. Venice is in Italy.

[@kraka2oanIner]

GOOD FOR YOU in visiting Venus, Florida and meeting Jacque Fresco & Ms Meadows! Too bad he's passed away...my personal opportunity is GONE, although I can still visit Ms Meadows and see Mr. Fresco's actual and theoretical works. I've GOT to include this on my bucket list!

[@LinhaDePensamento]

The feedback loops in government capture! Thank you again &again Peter, understanding is everything ❤️

[@BobMinelli]

Why do i always "FEEL SMARTER", after listening to Peter? Must be the data. 🙃👊

[@TheDoomWizard]

Absolutely!

[@benxamin13]

You are allowing yourself to be influenced by a good part of your society.

[@mightyquinn3451]

Because the stupid nonsense is drained out and actual dialogue enters like a book that is dense with information. Also you look at everything you have been watching between episodes and realize that 70%, though seeming intelligent is just flailing at the wind.

[@martinblank4250]

Without question.

[@HiddenTruthExposed]

Peter has got to go down as one of the greatest thinkers of all time.

[@kraka2oanIner]

Yes...and he also evolved, relinquishing his ego more and more with what he learned. I really respect his personal as well as service-minded progress!

[@twistedoperator4422]

Smartest man in my lifetime. Thank you again Peter.

[@KasirRham]

Every time I listen to Peter I notice the dirt on my glasses is removed. It's always easier to see what's going on afterwards.

[@packardsonic]

Brilliantly said, as always! We have to end the requirement to sacrifice the long term common good for a short term advantage so as to not lose in the competition for resources. I think the most effective way to bring about the compassion necessary for people to meet everyone's needs unconditionally is to raise awareness about the fact that everyone will become a burden or a danger to everyone else if our needs aren't met. As well as making it clear that most of our needs are emotional. Part of this involves talking about what these needs are. Then people will be willing to contribute to the parallel economy, the ecosystem of altruistic networks.

[@grantjohnson952]

Always happy to see a new upload by Peter. Also, very excited to see the new film: Zeitgeist Requiem.

[@LOVER.ABUSER]

Awesome PETE! I think this episode was the most clear and concise yet! Fight the good fight brother

[@coolioso808]

Thanks again, Peter, for your insight we all appreciate it and thrive on it! No need to apologize for delay between release of the podcast, we know you have several big projects going and we are excited to see them develop. Zeitgeist Requiem and the parallel economy project to come out soon after. That's a major one, I'm sure. This podcast reminds us all how we will not get anywhere if we just do incrementalism where this sustainability group tries to influence government to stop destroying wetlands for housing or this worker co-op makes hemp products... all good on their own, but not going to be nearly enough to counter-act the power of Market driven forces around profiteering and the need for constant growth in capitalist society. We need to redesign and bring people along, who are willing, to see that is a better way. Sharing, repairing, creating new when needed but long-lasting and teamwork.

[@fibanacci8]

Superb. With thanks and gratitude..

[@VFRZen]

Thank you, Peter. Another 💯 👍🏻👍🏻

[@MattAngiono]

I hope there's a way for us to get involved in this parallel economy idea ASAP. The thing I'm most disappointed in all these other projects like Venus and others is that they seem so hard to actually join or get on board. I would happily drop a lot of what I'm doing if it meant working at a better system in a realistic way. I'm so tired of the status quo and looking to alternatives that provide no real path forward. I know so many people share this feeling as well, though i can't effectively find how to get us to join together

[@nicolarosini6458]

💯

[@coolioso808]

I couldn’t agree more with you. It’s frustrating to see all good ideas and all sorts of solutions out there but no cohesive structure or platform for all of us to use in our towns and communities to get off capitalism to a better viable system step by step while recognizing we do live in a monetary-market world and we work jobs and try to get by and our governments are still primarily worried about capital growth. Best Christmas present for me would be Zeitgeist: Requiem and a watch party that I organize for my local sustainability group and the intro of this parallel economy platform as a real “call to action” that we can start ASAP.

[@jexterjackson3087]

U started my course, PJ. Thx2U.... DON'T FIGHT THE SYSTEM! ( Render it Obsolete🤔 ) - GENERATE Our Own Energy. - STORE Our Own Energy. - CREATE Our Own Energy Currencies. - SOLVE Our Own National Debts. FARM ENERGY, ftw....

[@coolioso808]

"You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." - Buckminster Fuller

[@jexterjackson3087]

@@coolioso808 - YUP.... 👌

[@PCMcGee1]

I think that's a great analogy for market forces; it's like trying to raise a child and only using punishment as the feedback mechanism.

[@thecompassionateworld1582]

This is the best lecture in the series... so far.

[@capitalist.ltd.economics]

great work Mr Joseph

[@disruptapps]

I could see all the issues that were fragmented symptoms of something very wrong with society as well as from my own life experiences but it was not until 2008 or so that TZM, PJ and TVP aligned everything into focus for me - it all 'clicked' as 'The System' we have is the root cause of most of our problems. Everything changed for me once I realized and accepted that the 99% live on a corporate global plantation designed by the 1% ownership class; that the 99% are bred and brainwashed to be subservient beasts of consumerism, taxation, wage slavery, toy soldiers and toy sailors - all for the profit and control of the 1%'s global plantation games. Once you see the manipulation of the 1% you cannot go back (at least for me) - you stop being a fool. Its so frustrating and painful to be so alone out here at times, seeing how obvious the stupidity of humanity at the behest of the 1% - yet billions of people persist in this folly - and wanting to make change for what the TZM and TVP advocate - absolutely frustrating - but I never regret taking the Red Pill TZM, PJ and TVP served up. Thank you Peter!

[@MattAngiono]

I feel you entirely. I think the biggest struggle with my own mental health is knowing these things and just how stupid we are for persisting with this system. Decades of watching this while no effective movements form, the ecosystem becomes even more fragile, and people suffer is so frustrating. But like you, I'm not asking to have never discovered this, though I'd probably be a lot happier (my friends and family certainly seem to be). While I do have my own and interest in mind, in no way is it as strong as my ethical nature and desire to make things better in the future for others. It's also disappointing that people think the only alternatives to capitalism are socialism, communism, or anarchism (which I do share some beliefs from each). I don't feel like there's any coherent "left" any longer that has any way of challenging things effectively. Capitalist realism has affected even us who can imagine something better. Anyway, I am always glad to know there are others out there who probably share my same level of frustration that we've done almost nothing since the first Zeitgeist film, as that was such an awakening for me. I figured it would be difficult because of the power structures we're up against, but I had no idea how few people would take these ideas on seriously. Sorry for the rant... hopefully it connects! Cheers!

[@Wilson84KS]

It is really all just a game, even though one must admit that capitalism came up and evolved naturally, it is perpetuating what it came from, namely scarcity which hoarding/greed and property as the result of it is, is again creating scarcity but artificially. But this system also created a completely new type of human, the eternal psychotic child, "mine mine mine, but I want but I want but I want" which is property and from this the "you get this only if you give me that or do that for me, otherwise I will break it and throw it away" the contract law results. That's it that's the entire system in its core, just a bunch of psychotic children who refuse to share and can't accept that one just can't do and have whatever one wants, but this kind of humans never learned that, they always got everything they wanted, just need to look at this crybabies, Trump is personified capitalism, now look at his behavior and listen to his endless crying and raging.

[@coolioso808]

@@MattAngiono I echo your sentiments exactly. What an absurd society we were born into and why didn’t adults in the room before us put together what Peter is working on now? It’s wild. But, we are here now. So let’s make the best of it. But anybody else walk through life just looking at the insanity that is a monetary-market economy? Like so stupid of humans to keep persisting via a concept we made up. Bonobos don’t use money to stop them from eating food and playing around in abundance.

[@HidingFromFate]

TZM, TVP?

[@MattAngiono]

@@HidingFromFate Zeitgeist movement, Venus Project

[@user-ej5gx7ph7q]

Very cool, thanks for your continued revolution in audio, writing and film. The more I realize how much I do not do, the more I appreciate your work and getting knowledge out here. You are unique in the validity of what you research, publish and release. I cannot wait to listen

[@peterdisbury]

I watched his video years ago with Zeitgeist and he is a fluid speaker....thank you Peter

[@peterdisbury]

Yes Peter, your name cropped up this morning having me wonder what happeded to this fluid speaker a conduit to the source. I am glad I found this channel, thank you🎉🎉.

[@TheDoomWizard]

Fanastic programs!

[@0dWHOHWb0]

Adding on to the whole "let's just do what they do in the Nordics" argument rebuttal in this video, it's not just that you couldn't transplant it as is to the US, it doesn't really work in the first place. As someone from the Nordics, I would point out that our system here still relies on exporting our problems to countries outside the imperial core. If the clothes I wear are manufactured in some sweatshop over in Asia somewhere, or products I use are built using resources siphoned from Africa or whatever, the system only appears to work if you don't take into account those "externalities".

[@Demiarioch]

Thanks for the update. I am REALLY looking forward the economic experiment. YOU ARE SPOT ON ABOUT HOW SO FEW SEE THE TOXIC RESULT OF SAME THAT THEY LIFE WITH DAY IN AND DAY OUT. I will support you on Patreon once I fine another jaaahb. 19 jaahbs in 27 years. Layoff, layoff, layoff, layoff, layoff, oh look another layoff, layoff, blah, blah,blah, after always being on of the best PMs on staff or (usually) the best.

[@notoriouslopez1]

Thank you Peter

[@Wilson84KS]

First of all, thank you for the update on Z:IV, and you sound very exhausted, I hope you are fine and just recorded this in the end of the day when you were tired. They call it "negative externalities", but from the pov of the system it is the feedback loop that preserves it, more problems more jobs, none can ever be solved because the entire ideology will collapse in a chain reaction of deficiency of purchasing power due to mass unemployment, especially when major problems will be solved. Therefore regulation and politics is just a bad joke, alone minimum wage is a threat to the entire system, wages are the only costs that can be reduced almost to zero, while other expenditures as well as revenues are limited by competition, if businesses can't increase profits to preserve themselves, they will just move to a country where they can reduce labor costs further and that's where politics becomes a joke since the capitalists own all the jobs. Apropos exploiting other countries, that "Nordic Model" thing and Europe is the classic greener grass on the other side and what they actually have is actually real national socialism, almost all of Sweden and a major part of European industry is private property of the Wallenberg family and they simply exploit people in other countries which allows them to treat their human property a little less like cattle and maintain them with universal health care simply because it is cheaper than replacing them. BUT Multi-Stakeholder Capitalism is supposed to solve the problem about wasting resources for cyclical consumption by replacing ownership of purchased things with a renting system, also the multi-stakeholder processes themselves are supposed to allow for direct democracy and replace politics.

[@peterjol]

The Only way I have been able to see to transition OUT of a monetary system while still IN a monetary system (without causing any hardship or collapse) would be if it could be made financially worthwhile for people to SHARE any (and only) jobs we would almost all agree we NEED people to do and to work much less. If you ever give it enough thought, you should be able to work out that money would eventually simply become pointless. (Although I guess you could say it would cause 'hardship' to the rich, because they won't be able to get any slaves building their yachts and mansions or even cleaning their toilets because there wouldn't be any slaves needing their jobs)

[@lindsey5783]

thank you peter! love this episode hey where is that intro from? have a great day!

[@akerovitalis3451]

I found that resech quite staggering concerning judges and passing sentences; that they become more punitive while making judgements, further from the last time they had their mill. And concerning that part of meditation, I'm also really cocerned about the new age gurus of self help and other related stuff, much less the masculinity gospel that has risen from the internet especially remotely 12 years ago. Alike, are ideas that remove one from the social context, assuming that an individual can better themselves minus others; like we can all make money, be alpha males and stuff, or we can meditate and focus on our inner strengths and every problem goes flying. It's madness out there.

[@justjustice-dz8te]

the biggest task of all is to convenced the individual to be conciened of the impact the system does to him or her

[@privateprivate1865]

My man PJ❤

[@kwizrak]

It would be helpful to the listeners to point out the studies/resources that you refer to. Maybe in the site where the transcript resides. I suppose that you have them already in one place and it wouldn't be much of a burden.

[@essentialjudge2279]

Thank you. And off topic but check out Jesse Welles a song writer from Arkansas. Songs; War isn't murder, slaves, cancer, poor, the news,

[@rcollins0618]

Man, I really should have taken Control Systems Theory in college but I went the computer engineering route instead of electrical, and missed out on that. I'm wondering if a basic PID controller could be useful in governing a function/process/business. Or if there are at least useful analogies. (Proportional, integrative, derivative :: now, past, future) There is a direct line from early cybernetics to control systems used in everything from factories to keeping a drone level.

[@dario10espana9]

We are in a personal resilience... The new social dimention... Is causality... Is their objective... Nuestra identidad alienada y contenida en una calculadora CASIO... Thamks & Sorry...

[@davidmireles9774]

Yayyyyyyyyy ❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@Zonfeair]

Peter I am still waiting for Requiem to come out. Any information as to how long it will be?

[@justletmepostthis276]

Difficult to Find Common Ground when Everyone is Looking Up and saying the Sky is Falling. Just raise the Bottom instead via Common Heritage. What I mean is, we can See and Hear the Excess of the System because we are Exposed to it, but we don't Highlight the Benefits of Restraint when concealed from it. To take Power away from Great Expectations, is to Raise Lesser Expectations rather than lower them.

[@sejnb1]

Violent entertainment in all forms is the the ultimate in obscene pornography and yet it has always been the most prominent pastime going back to ancient times. It serves the war powers that be.

[@SuperTruthhunter]

excellent

[@Facilitate.Inform]

You say that the money feedback loop is too strong to change the system directly, that we can't just “regulate” Capitalism. But making an efficient, sharing economy in the middle of a capitalist society isn’t any more reasonable given noble endeavors get corrupted like everything else. Course I agree we can’t just seek to regulate Capitalism and call it a day, but it can be contradicting and confusing to people too cuz they’ll think anything short of implementing an RBE in one grand swoop is just preserving Capitalism. We still need to be able to use the systemic levers available to us,. And we DO need to regulate out the corrupting mechanisms of money, bit by bit, till we get beyond Capitalism. Not only is it possible to regulate OUT the mechanisms of Capitalism by changing the system directly, it’s THE main, viable way. And also because we need to keep in mind what everyday people will accept. We start talking about RBE- and normal everyday people are like 100 steps away in inferential distance of understanding that. There's a necessary progression to paradigm shifting society. We can’t be too simplistic in terms of failing to bridge the world we want, from where we are now. We have to expose capitalism first... which is why the progressive movement is so critical, they teach people about labor movements, the history of better working conditions, the folly of "trickle down", the contradictions of capitalism, they push for Universal Health Care, Universal Education, Universal Basic Incomes, etc. it's the next step… towards the advanced systems we want. We can affect what transitionary change we can, while always making the case for the larger radical system potential we know is within reach, if society understands it and wants it. Just need to target getting big money out of key places, Congress, Education, and Media... then we have a chance In the end, whatever change we make has to reintegrate back into the system through policy (laws/mechanisms of how the system functions) at some point, or we haven't actually changed THE SYSTEM.

[@RevolutionNowPodcast]

"You say that the money feedback loop is too strong to change the system directly, that we can't just “regulate” Capitalism. But making an efficient, sharing economy in the middle of a capitalist society isn’t any more reasonable given noble endeavors get corrupted like everything else." There's a difference. Attempting government regulation still utilizes and accepts the core system, as I said. Attempting an alternative system sets the stage for a different set of feedback loops/intentions and can override the old by nature of the structurally different approach, if strategic. There will always be hard push back. But there's no choice but to push the radical change from the start as the in-system legal/voting method can only go so far and it will never go far enough. Also, to correct the language in your statement above one is not trying to "change" anything"WITHIN the monetary system, choosing to accept its basis, still. No, folks are trying to regulate. What I'm saying is you can't regulate the system. The only choice is to work to directly override it, no matter how hard.

[@Facilitate.Inform]

@@RevolutionNowPodcast So using the system to change the system is just accepting the system, no matter what? And but going outside the system with ZERO power whatsoever is also somehow more reasonable? And that's the thing too, there is no going "outside" the system - we live within the system, anything we create is within the system and subject to the laws of this system. There is only using the levers of power and leverage available to us, to try to change it. Out system is complimentary, not the main viable route to progress based on history and the way the real world actually works.

[@RevolutionNowPodcast]

@@Facilitate.Inform "And but going outside the system with ZERO power whatsoever is also somehow more reasonable? " Yes it is more reasonable. And this is likely too difficult for me to try and explain to you in a KZbin comment. You have to build antagonistic sub systems that contradict the dominant meta-system and work to expand that. Only at the point of mass usage of the parallel system - the legal system and other components begin to change. Out system is the only method. Which of course exists "within" the system as it has to to start - but it's not adhering to the dominant, primary function features of market capitalism at all.

[@Facilitate.Inform]

​@@RevolutionNowPodcast A 1% owns the planet, the resources, the laws, they own and make the rules of society. Any out system stuff we do will be made to obey the same codes, regulations, and laws or be fined or made to shutdown, we’ll be made to obtain permits and licenses, pay property taxes like anything else. They can just outlaw our parallel system, what then? The laws/policy of the system will have to be altered at some point, as you say And the logistics of independently introducing an outside system and converting over what’s in place seems extremely difficult, as opposed to using existing systems and levers of power so we can make/change the rules of the system to transition over time that way. But everything in tandem, both in/out system approaches are (need to be) mutually reinforcing, complimentary.

[@carlton2361]

🐐

[@thethegreenmachine]

Cyclical cycles are the best kind :P

[@waltergoring8428]

Still waiting for zeitgeist part 4

[@Surja9393]

I, personally, experienced the "punitive nature" of a hingry judge when I was 2 minutes late to court. All he talked about was tge "hot dog stand" outside once case was dismissed. 😂

[@HakuCell]

8:31

[@limitisillusion7]

28:38 This is not true. The buying and selling of everything is not the primary function of the system. The primary function is to create happiness. The buying and selling of everything is just the pathway that most people believe is the best way to create happiness. Capitalists believe what they do is right because they believe it is good for maximizing happiness, even if only their own. Our job is to show them they're wrong. Our job is to show them that the vicious cycles created by greedy, individualistic economic structures create the very problems they're trying to insulate themselves from -- the very problems in the way of rheir sustainable happiness. Everyone has good intentions for themselves. What varies are the strategies we implement to manifest our good intentions. Even if someone has to intention to end their own life, it is _because_ it is the best strategy they can personally rationalize.

[@RevolutionNowPodcast]

"The primary function is to create happiness" No. And I don't know what charlatan philosopher decided to invoke that propaganda, but you might as well get over it right now. Human happiness and public health is a completely secondary reality to the primary function of market capitalism.

[@limitisillusion7]

@@RevolutionNowPodcast As I implied, happiness can be measured from both an individualistic and collectivistic viewpoint. The degree to which a society behaves individualistically or collectivistically is dependent on the degree to which the individuals in that society understand their own psychological structure _and_ the degree to which they understand that others share that same psychological structure. In other words, if we are not aware of the shared underlying motives between ourselves and others, we will behave individualistically. If we are fully aware of those shared underlying motives, we will behave collectivistically. The most fundamental underlying motive we all share is the desire to maximize happiness, and to do that, we must minimize fear. It follows that the goal of any system we create is to maximize happiness, _even if_ those systems are inefficient due to short-sighted, individualistic thinking. Most people look at history and come to the conclusion that prioritizing individual profit is the best strategy to maximize their individual happiness and protect themselves from their fears. But unfortunately, most people do not consider the logical effects of that strategy in the long-term. Most people don't consider how too much wealth inequality forces the impoverished to transfer their fears _onto_ the wealthy. In other words, your neighbor will make their problems your problems if you make it exceedingly difficult for them to solve their own problems. It is the societally dominant belief in that individualistic conclusion that keeps the "buying and selling of everything" the status quo. And even those who do question that conclusion are more or less trapped in the downstream effects of it. Causation can become blurry in a vicious cycle when downstream effects threaten one's ability to address the catalyst, especially with the culture wars in the media that misdirect blame. Even if you can suss out the correct order of causation, you can't meaningfully address it without sacrificing your own well-being. The solution demands that we run uphill. We must address the catalyst _and_ the downstream effects _at the same time._ So rather than critisizing the system that depends on the buying and selling of everything, we have to diminish the cultural division to ease the fear between various cultural subgroups. Otherwise, that fear will result in more buying and selling that outpaces any attempts to address it. Instead of critisizing that system outright, we would be better off using the Socratic Method. Meanwhile, we can challenge that system more directly with our actions. Instead of buying and selling, we can encourage direct trade, minimalism, and generosity. Generosity includes everything from giving things to people to random acts of kindness. "And the men who hold high places must be the ones who start to mold a new reality, closer to the heart." The buying and selling is essentially a sophisticated short-term fight-or-flight response to our fears. Instead of fighting directly, we compete (fight) over money and resources with the belief that those things can insulate (flight) us to from our fears. This manifests as day-traders that use all sorts of manipulation to claim ownership of the value created by the laborers, in order to purchase access to a gated community while the inner city suffers. At the extremes, those day-traders build bunkers on islands to run and hide from the problems. The same fight-or-flight pattern remains. Scarcity is the most fundamental catalyst here, but not just scarcity of physical resources. Scarcity of safety/security plays just as much of a role as the physiological needs at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy. In reality, the need for safety _is_ a physiological need. The wealthiest and most powerful people among us have plenty of physical stuff. What they don't have is peace of mind. That's why they can't go into public without body guards. That's why they spend their time on yachts. They own so much land and barely have the freedom to walk on it. In this way, the potential violence from the proletariat that threatens the bourgeoisie is caused by _both_ the billionaire's exploitation _and_ the working class surrender _to_ that exploitation. But all of that is just the downstream effects of the underlying fear of scarcity. The good thing is that our cumulative technological advancements have enabled an abundance of physiological needs. We need only learn to allocate them appropriately to diminish the scarcity of safety/security. In effect, the wealth inequality is akin to taking the blocks needed to fulfill the physiological needs of Maslow's Hierarchy and stacking them on the top of the structure.... And the poorly built pyramid keeps collapsing because the base is unstable. And we keep pointing the finger without realizing that the blame fuels the fear that inspires all the buying, selling, and wealth inequality. Scarcity used to be a human vs environment phenomenon, and that extended to human vs human conflict. With modern technology though, humanity has managed to conquer the environment well enough to sustainably meet our needs. By extension, the need for human vs human conflict is gone. Human vs human conflict is a remnant left over in our psyches, because we fail to understand why it started in the first place. I agree with you that the buying and selling of everything is a problem, but until we empathize with the underlying fear of scarcity that inspires that problem, we will not solve it. We must diminish the fear, and it cannot be done without admitting one's own role in the creation of that fear. Even pointing a finger at someone is enough to inspire fear, and if the only known solution people have to that fear is to buy and sell more stuff in an attempt to protect themselves, they will do it. Beyond that, many people wrap their identities up in the idea of owning, buying, and selling stuff, whether capital or material goods. Many people rely on external validation from others through the personality they build with material items. So by blaming the buying and selling nature of that market, you're effectively pointing the finger and inspiring fear by attacking people's identities. Empathy, forgiveness, and generosity are the only solutions. Again, we have to run uphill. We have to organize within the free-market peacefully, and we have to be better at organizing in the workplace _and_ in the voting booth. That means unions, strikes, worker/consumer cooperatives, boycotts, and non-profits, in addition to better political representation. If the voting booth fails us, the free-market labor movements can still move _effective_ ownership of the means of production to the masses, even if not on paper. In reality, the free-market labor movements will _always_ precede policy changes, because they don't need to wait for the next election. In fact, they're a prerequisite for policy change. The "us vs them" or "working class vs ruling class" mentalities cannot solve the problems we face. Those mentalities are downstream from the scarcity problem which humanity has largely overcome with technology. The task in front of the working class isn't to defeat the ruling class. The task is to _expand_ the ruling class to include themselves _without_ excluding the current ruling class. As I said, exploitation requires a surrender to the exploitation. You can't solely blame the people doing the exploiting, and in truth, the exploiters are only acting in response to their fears to the best of their ability. In fact, _everyone_ is responding to their fears to the best of their ability, including myself. In my observation, wisdom _is_ empathy. Without empathy, we will remain trapped in the vicious cycles of short-sighted, fight-or-fight responses. I fear the unpredictability of the vicious cycles, and I want out of them. Prioritizing our identity with humanity above all subgroups is a necessity. We must focus on our similarities rather than our differences.

[@limitisillusion7]

If predator and prey dynamic inherent to nature regulates itself, then you have to consider the role that humanity plays in that process. Are we the apex predator? And if so, what's the implication? Does nature throw away its constant reach for more diversity and make an exception for humanity? If not, then how can nature regulate us if not through a traditional predator/prey dynamic? Does nature regulate humanity through predation on itself via these unstable, unsustainable social structures? If so, what can we do to make nature happy? It seems to me that nature has given us a choice as the apex predator. We have been gifted a consciousness, and it's up to us how we use it. Perhaps consciousness is a phenomenon that only apex predators gain access to out of necessity. We can either self-regulate ourselves, or we can destroy ourselves. There is probably no other option. There is no reality where nature allows us to plunder the world of all of its biodiversity before it forces a significant pollution setback upon humanity. We could even serve as the protector of biodiversity for the planet if we manage to create technology that can protect the planet from a catastrophic asteroid impact. Or maybe nature doesn't care. I don't know. But what I can say is that if nature gave me the capacity to care, then maybe nature cares too. Or maybe the capacity to care is emergent. Either way, as part of nature, my ability to care implies responsibility.

[@DyMorphing]

Keep going Peter my pumpkin eater...without us..we are doomed...no don't commit suicide

[@DyMorphing]

Seek yourself and teach as you go. Do not kill yourself for with out us we are doomed.

[@kraka2oanIner]

If it weren't for you, Peter, I'd be entrenched by "isms", and LOST in the vagaries of politics, ethics, and personal motivation. Of course, I can't see a resource-based economy being utilized on our planet in my lifetime; even THREE lifetimes...but knowing, in the back of my mind, that humans CAN do MUCH better, will always occupy my mind. If only we humans could just: be more patient, respect others' viewpoints, and be MORE emotionally mature(!) What I take from all this is that a steady-state, non-monetary RESOURCE-BASED economy is always POSSIBLE. As Frank Zappa said: The mind is like a parachute; it won't work if it's not OPEN.

[@evegrowing7749]

Can’t wait till you and Joe Rogan podcast again! He will ask you to do so very soon👍

[@MattAngiono]

@evegrowing7749 I'm not sure how much the guy making millions off of every podcast is going to want any more schooling in how corrupt and inefficient the system is... but I do hope it happens anyway, just for Peter to get more exposure. My guess is his audience will mostly dismiss the idea that capitalism isn't the path forward

[@evegrowing7749]

@@MattAngiono time will tell, but know doubt Joe enjoyed last conversation and I contend Joe will reach out to Peter by this time next year🤞

[@privateprivate1865]

Imo, most judges project their own self cented distainful view onto those they judge. I believe most judges lack a healthy amount of empathy. They are Scary!

[@dnbjedi]

It’s 2024 and Socialism is still… a dirty word. :/

[@mattvm00]

Every one of these is like a taking a bath in reason. Washing off all the perversly incentivized information gagbage.

[@ianfields6879]

Let's gooo

[@LJ81824]

Love the content, but please use a de-esser on your audio. The sibilance is killing me.

[@zakjackson2610]

Crazy how the simplest concepts always seems the most heady to people. PJ must get exhausted rehashing these same truths over and over.

[@timeenoughforart]

Peters vocabulary is unfamiliar to me. I'd guess "systems theory" but the groking of it eludes me. "Endogenous" is not a term commonly used in cabinetry.

[@peterdisbury]

Peter has me wondering if he is Channeling when he speaks

[@joshsadzewicz1070]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/kGPKlYpmfsplrcUsi=yOuuAMX4AG8-IVjr these two talks are complementary. Terrence references Ludwig von Bertalanffy, the general systems theory guy… with a discussion of application similar to Peter’s. “ People are not machines, but in all situations where they are given the opportunity, they will act like machines.” Thank you Peter

[@sekogasiskren9406]

How it is possible that some more developed countries have bigger suicide rates

[@jexterjackson3087]

SOLUTION : LEAVE GOLD, ENTER ENERGY.... Don't fight the system ( Render it Obsolete🤔) . - GENERATE Our Own Energy. - STORE Our Own Energy. - CREATE Our Own Energy Currencies. - SOLVE Our Own National Debts. FARM ENERGY, ftw....

[@peterdisbury]

He has a great first name 😂

[@stutzbearcat5624]

What the hell was that guy blabbing about in the beginning? Figures that level of bullshit comes from TED. 😁

[@DyMorphing]

Dude Christian already knew money was evil .... Matthew 6:24

[@twistedoperator4422]

Christians try spin it by saying it's the "love of money" that's evil instead of just money itself being evil.

[@dnbjedi]

Haven’t checked in with you since culture in decline Peter. 🫡