What Makes A Dual-Sport and Why It Matters | HSLS S6E5

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[@p9raceway759]

Rokon or TW-200 on Darian’s gap ?!??

[@eliottkim94]

spenser is a really good host, he should be integrated more. he's articulate, funny, and helps the conversation flow.

[@rickt.223]

Spencer is GREAT. Have him on more regularly please. He’s a natural and welcome asset to the podcast.

[@magellanicspaceclouds]

When I imagine a dual-sport, I imagine a dirt bike with mirrors, lights, and a plate.

[@charleskilo4383]

Something I think differentiates dual sport from adv to a degree is the flat seat. Having a nice contoured seat on the road is plenty nice and plush but if it gets in the way of you moving your body around then you've just limited how technical you can get on trails to some extent.

[@arjenbootsma6881]

Big congratulations to Zack and his wife for their new born baby! If it's any comfort to Zack, becoming a dad is the best thing I've ever done in my life.

[@phatsmitty]

Gentlemen, this is an excellent conversation. The one point that is missed: not everyone going off road is in a hurry... this factor changes everything.

[@StefanoMaggio]

the difference between Dual and Adventure is range and comfortabiliy ( to sustain said range). The difference between Enduro and Dual sport is also range and comfortability ( which also includes longer service intervals). just like with tires, Enduro are 90/10 dirt, Duals are 60/40 dirt and Advs 60/40 street, plus or minus depending on models... 690 btw most underrated bike ever!! my 15 is an Enduro, light Adv with right seat, screen, bags and set up and, of course, supermoto for just ripping in the back roads. 30min of work, if that, between configurations.

[@joakimf4868]

It’s simple: a dual sport is a road capable, road legal offroad-bike. An adventure bike is an offroad capable roadbike. A GS is NOT a dual sport. And a gravel road is NOT ”offroad”. And phrases like ”every bike is an adventure bike if you do adventures on it” makes me sick. That’s like taking my T7 to the track day and calling it a sport bike, just because I ride it around the racetrack. Examples of dual sports: Honda CRF 250L and 450L, Kawasaki KLX, KTM690/Husky701/GASGAS700. Examples of adventure bikes: Yamaha T7, KTM 890 Adventure, BMW R1250GS etc. You get the point, thanks in advance for the T-shirt! 😁

[@wizardmoto]

Speaking as someone with his shoulderblade currently in three pieces from riding knobbies too aggressively on pavement: TIRES!!! Tires are what make a dual-sport. I purchased an Apollo RZF125 (Amazon Honda Dirtbike Clone) a few months ago after blowing up my SFV650, and immediately "dual-sported" it with headlight, turn signals, mirrors, even a fake plate! What I did not purchase was new tires; and now I can unfortunately attest to the fact that stock Amazon knobbies do tolerate lean angle beyond ~35° in the rain. Proper street tires (or even a 50/50) potentially could have prevented a trip to the ER with four broken bones, months of PT, and a truly shattered ego. On the flipside: taking a street bike on dirt does not automatically a dual-sport make. I took my SFV650 on some logging trails and it was genuinely equally terrifying as crashing was; traction did not exist, and it is a miracle I didn't bin it. Tires are everything. TLDR: if ur gna ride a dirt bike like it's a streetbike: PUT GOOD DUAL-SPORT TIRES ON!!! Ride safe y'all✌️🏍

[@wizardmoto]

@@IRLtrolls 1) D606 is a 50/50. 2) they're made in China. Living up to ur username pretty well brother.

[@box510motorcycles3]

I bought a klx250 brand new as my first motorcycle in 2010. I love the little bike. I used it for mainly a street bike and decided I needed a more "street-able" bike. I have also had a 900 vulcan, a 650 ninja, and now a ninja 1000 abs light tour bike. However, the one bike I've held on to is the klx 250. The rode bikes got traded off when I upgraded but there is something about wondering around dirt/gravel back roads on the little dual sport that is irreplaceable in my life.

[@cgem8426]

You are forgetting that use and purpose of a bike is also defined by the size of the rider. For example, Noraly didn’t seem to have a realistic choice of taking an adventure bike for her latest tour due to the weight. Instead, she chose a lighter dual sport and dialed her mindset into ‘adventure’.

[@cgem8426]

Looks like I wrote this comment before 1:26:20 😀

[@wizardmoto]

She also never rides alone, she doesn't need to carry the essentials. Her setup is excellent, but if anyone attempted a cross-continental trip solo with only that setup they wouldn't get far.

[@omicrondec]

@@wizardmoto she never rides alone?

[@wizardmoto]

@@omicrondec "never" was an exaggeration, I'm sure she *has* ridden alone before; however never has she embarked on a continental trip solo. I dont blame her for it, she goes to some super sketchy places! I'm a 6'1 dude in my mid-20s who is proficient with firearms, and even *I* wouldn't want to go through some of those sections without my brother! That having been said: all the boomer simps thay pretend she's a godteir solo ADV rider rile me up, absolute definition of KeyboardBiker. For example: anyone whos a fulltime *professional* motorcylist for the last 5+ years should *ABSOLUTELY* should be able to ride a 300cc dirtbike on dirt roads with no issues! For contrast: As The Magpie Flies is a LEGIT solo female ADV rider, who has done rides that would make the average rider go home crying, and although she admittedly far lower production quality, I attribute that primary due to sub count, and the fact she films it *ALL* herself as opposed to having a dude getting drone footage and B-roll. TLDR: Norally is an above average rider, but to pretend she got anywhere past her home turf alone is asinine. Her videos are 40+ minutes of thirst traps, with occasional trail riding at the blistering top speed of 42mph. Hard pass.

[@BigStreams_]

@@wizardmoto unless something has changed, Noraly aka “Itchy Boots” always rides/travels alone for her videos, filming herself as she goes. She has to carry all of her supplies with her and her only help along the way comes from people she happens to come across along the way.

[@Krydolph]

One thing is replacing Zack.... But moving Spurgeon to the other side of the screen at the time.... That is starting to be too much change at once! I don't feel safe!

[@mcraeheard8213]

I ride a T7, like ~80% off-road, and I’ve thought maybe I should have gotten a smaller bike. But the appeal of an ‘adv’ is luggage capacity, top end speed, and range. I haven’t done any long camping rides yet, but I plan to. Also, the adv is great if you can only have 1 motorcycle. If $ and space was no issue, I’d probably get a dirt bike, a touring adv (like a Tiger 1200), and a sports bike.

[@omicrondec]

This is a balanced perspective.

[@diptenkrom]

sorta surprised that the Himalayan was not mentioned at all. also strange that with Patrick there, scramblers didnt actually get mentioned

[@VisivisiV]

I think you guys kinda skipped over a characteristic that a lot of people expect from dual sports that sets them apart from street legal enduroes - that being long service intervals more in line with street bikes. That said, thanks for the entertaining and educational cast.

[@snupermoto723]

back in the day I had a 1984 XL185, we called 'em street and trail bikes.

[@jwaller1327]

I have a dirt bike, a CRF250RX, which I've made street legal to connect forest trails, and I'd say it's still a dirt bike with lights but not a dual sport. I also have a Yamaha XT250 and had a KLX300 and a KLR650 and those are all three real dual sports, with the XT and KLX much better on dirt and the KLR better on pavement. I still have a Versys X-300 and Triumph Scrambler, both of which I take on dirt roads as adventure bikes, but not off road. I'd say neither of those are dual sports but are ADV bikes.

[@littlefrank90]

How is the KLR? I am quite in love with the newest model. Is it fun for off-roading?

[@jwaller1327]

It’s great for dirt or gravel roads. It was too tall and heavy for me for purely off road riding. That’s because I was new to riding off pavement. I traded it for the KLX300 so that I’d have something much lighter to pick up when I inevitably dropped it. Now that I have some off-road chops, as mediocre as they are, I think I’d be comfortable on a KLR for some MILD off-roading. Off-road, light is right, and nothing compares to a pure dirt bike for that.

[@StoltHD]

Suzuki TS 100 ER (1980-1982) Honda XL was produced from mid 1970

[@vickilenoir8683]

congrat to zach & great to have Spenser on again!

[@brettsteele2146]

Before the DR even came into being Suzuki had the TS series of 2 stroke and Yamaha had the DT's (2 stroke) & TT/XT's (4 stroke), Honda had the XL/XR's - they were all street legal dirt bikes.

[@SpurgeonDunbar]

You're gonna really enjoy the kick off to CT/XP in 2023......

[@heiner71]

Rambo used a Yamaha XT250 which a fake 2 stroke sound was added on.

[@mookypants3042]

Any bike is a dualsport if you are awesome enough.

[@D16S06]

If you are buying a new / almost new, reliable, well reviewed and tested model, then buying something with a complex electronic rider support package is fine ... but generally speaking, "complex electronics" are something to seriously avoid, because of multiple and very expensive, not easy to "fault-find" potential issues. It most definitely does-not! ... make you a better / good rider, whilst using an electronic rider support package ... ever!

[@witchdoctor6502]

question is how often does these things really break and how often it is a failure that can't be dealth with right tools and experience?

[@emoservedwithfries]

Enduro's are 20/80 bikes. 80% offroad use. Dual-sports is a true 50/50 (crf300l) Lightweight adv, 95/5 street bike (cb500x) Mid weight adv, 70-80%/30-20% street bike Heavy weight adv 95/5% or 85/15% street bike

[@davegallo8166]

Speaking as a multiple klr owner, it's either a big dual sport or a small ADV bike, and as Spurg said , it depends on the mission you farkled it towards. My current klr is an adv build and for back roads. It's great. Still sucks on the highway, but everywhere else? It is adequate. I would never take mine on an Enduro race , but I'm also not 20.

[@Jim0i0]

What happened to Dual Purpose as the definitive term? It's interesting to hear that bit about Suzuki coining the term in 1990, because I remember having a crush on a tall Dual Purpose honda NX I saw in a dealership on a road trip in 1988. My first bike came a few years later in the form of a "75 Honda CL360 scrambler freebee I found next to a dumpster,. Not great offroad, but gravel road friendly. Dual Sport is a marketing term in the same vein as Sport Utility Vehicle (SUV). "Dual Sport" is definitely more catchy than saying "Dual Purpose" but "Adventure Bike" bumps that marketing mojo up a couple notches. Digging the show guys. Good job.

[@hallstuart6604]

A rose by any other name would smell just as sweet.

[@theprodigalstranger5259]

Congrats to Zack and Mrs. Zack! Hope mother and baby are doing well! (12:19) Spoiler Alert Spurge, Spoiler Alert! You can take any motorcycle off-road if you've got the testicular fortitude. Dual Sport is the most general term, then under that are subcategories like ADV, street legal dirt bike, supermoto, and scrambler. So, while not all dual sports are ADV bikes all ADV bikes are dual sports. Guys ability is not a factor in the definition. "Multistrada" translates into "all terrain", sounds like a dual sport to me. I've heard the word before but WTF is a farkle? Sounds like a single cylinder 2 stroke to me but other than that no clue. Don't know anything really about 2 stroke motos. Spencer trying to turn this into Calvinball, ain't happening Spenc! Good show gents, see you two weeks!

[@MechanizedMedic]

My step-dad has been into enduro/rally all over the west since the 60's and this is a paraphrasing of how he explained dualsports to me... The two sports that "dualsport" refer to are enduro and rally races. Rally racers had to be able to license their race bikes to travel between stages of the event. They needed an enduro bike with running gear and a license plate. Early in rally racing motorcycle registration was open to just about anything that met certain requirements. Eventually states (well... California) started to limit what they would register, so manufacturers started making "dualsports" for rally riders. This didn't last long due to legal problems with running races on open public streets. These rallys live on today as un-timed on/off-road events like poker runs.

[@TheXaelem]

Duelsport: single cylinder dirtbike with plates. Adventurebike: multi cylinder motorcycle with lots of luggage capability and ability in both road and dirt. Scrambler: multicylinder bike with dirt and road ability but less luggage capability Adventure tourer: multi cylinder motorcycle with lots off luggage but smaller wheels and road orientated tyres.

[@whitedrguy6503]

Where Americans get confused with calling a dual sport as a bike that can be registered for road use is a bit confusing. Bikes like KTMs exe range are enduro race bikes not dual sports, the reason they can be registered for road use is because in Europe and Australia the bike will have to do transport sections on public roads or ridden on public land, therefore have to be registered. Dual sports were known as road trail bikes back in the day, DT and XT Yamahas, Hondas XL range, Kawasaki KL , Suzuki TS and DR. The equivalent Enduro models were Yamaha TT and IT, Honda XR, Kawasaki had the KDX, and Suzuki had the PE, Kawasaki and Suzuki back in the seventies only had 2 stroke enduros. Bikes like the original Africa twin, Yamaha Tenere, BMW R80 GS, DR big, Kawasaki KLR were Paris/ Dakar replicas not adventure bikes. Times have changed not always for the better.

[@dandersonjr]

I'm going to have to go with Spencer on his definition of Dual Sport. I also think the Husky 701/690, DR 650, KLR 650, XR 650 are at the top size wise of acceptable Dual Sports. Also if Adventure bikes are Dual Sports then why call them Adventure bikes and not just Dual Sports.

[@mertechperformance]

To me as boring as the opinion may be a dual sport brings visions of Suzuki dr's especially dr650, Honda xr's especially xr650l and Kawasaki klr's especially klr650. Now, that being said displacement doesn't much matter but those have been the juggernauts in the industry as far as "dual sport" goes. Now yes any street legal "dirt bike" or damn near most adv's that obviously at least kind of can go off road fit the description too. Just not quite as cemented to the memory as such, let alone as a first thought of the genre/type of bike.

[@apodski]

Dual sport defined: my 1985 xt350 with modern MX forks and shock. 89mph, 100 mpg, 12 inches of suspension, sharp throttle response, smooth counter balancer, and 260 lbs.

[@danielgreen7159]

Interesting conversation. Coincidentally my first bike some 45 years ago or thereabouts was a DT1. Recently at 70 years old bought my second bike, a klx250.

[@Captndarty]

It’s quite simple. Start with a motocross bike. Traditionally an enduro is a bloated motocross bike with lights. A dual sport is a bloated enduro with blinkers. An adventure bike is a bloated dual sport. Bam there y’all go👍🏻

[@nuclearscarab]

Adventure is road 1st dirt 2nd, dual sport is dirt 1st, road 2nd. We already have these words, we might as well use them to differentiate the two, otherwise we should just stop using them. The size (volume) of the bike and the weight are going to be completely different between the two styles, so they are normally pretty easy to tell apart.

[@BigStreams_]

Would you say that grom with knobbies, upgraded off-road suspension and skid plates is a dual sport, or an adventure bike by that definition?

[@nuclearscarab]

@@BigStreams_ LOL, that is classified as a frankenbike

[@BigStreams_]

@@nuclearscarab haha, fair enough. It’s trying its best, one might say

[@ne-adv]

Spurge, I know you have ridden them, so, please, be just as eloquent about riding an affordable motorcycle, like a DR650, as when you wax poetic about KTM's, that only rich or old people, can afford. Lots of kids are buying as scrap DR650s that had the bolts from the neutral sending unit drop into the crankcase. And buying a bike with something else wrong, so they can make one bike out of the mess. They F'ing right love riding their non-KTM bike, because it's the only friend they have ever had. Cheap. Simple. And reliable, now they have used wired nuts to keep the bolts in place. But it doesn't have cruise control. Don't be like those Ducati folks with the desert X's, not wanting to talk about the DESMOS in the room. A KTM isn't AS reliable, doesn't have the pedigree of a DR. And its big money, whereas we be broke. But the KTM is lux. Ride. Or never ride and keep hoping to meet the sticker price. I'm gonna be in the shop, tearing this free bike down, from now until it runs.

[@mollygrubber]

I heard Helge Pederson talk about his Darien crossing, (and BTW, Helge is pronounced with a "hard" G, he's Norwegian). He said it was leeches they picked off ALL their body parts every night, not ticks. Well, probably ticks too, but he remembered the leeches very well.

[@bradmootz2196]

Back in the day we called our 70s Yamaha DT175s and 400s and KDXs Enduros. And now... I call my new CRF450RL an Enduro now. 😄

[@314adv]

Definitions really only matter when your trying to have different people ride together. Its not fair to force a 200cc bike to ride never ending Iowa farm gravel for 8 hours at 60mph - and it’s not fair to ask a 1200cc to do single track in Tennessee at 4mph. While you may choose to do either - when inviting others to ride with you - describing what your doing and the anticipated pace is key to having a fun time for all.

[@ws8080]

I've never understood the debate.... dual sport is a dirt bike made road legal. Whereas an adventure or adv/tour is a more of a road bike that can go off-road. Perfect examples from Honda would be the CRF300L vs. the CB500X.... and Honda puts it right in the model title.

[@650DRRider]

Dr650 is by far the best dual sport ever made. It says dual sport right on it. And it weighs 100 lbs less than the KLR with 10 more HP.

[@hallstuart6604]

"Suzuki needs a win"🤣

[@Xt1000]

My first bike a 76 GT185 2 cylinder two stroke street bike. I used it as a dual sport. Horse and cow trails, up and down RR track side roads, through slick moss covered creeks, even done some through the creek up a hill jumps on it.

[@79sketches]

I rode my Suzuki S40 thru dirt roads and rides awesome. I really enjoy it. And also go further and rode my Vulcan 900 Custom, lol I won't do that a 2nd time haha!. In conclusion, Every bike is a dual sport if you want to.

[@BigStreams_]

In my mind, a “dual sport motorcycle” is a street legal motorcycle that’s designed to go off-road. And I would not consider simply swapping out street tires for off-road tires to be enough to qualify as “designed to go off-road”. That would be like putting knobbies on my Miata and calling it an off-roader. You’d have to at least change the suspension to consider calling it an off-road vehicle. Separately, “dual sporting” is often a term used to refer to the activity of off-roading a street legal motorcycle, usually including on road portions of a trip on the bike. So you could “dual sport” (verb) a street bike if you wanted to, but it might not be considered a “dual sport” bike in my book.

[@jonathick63]

All I know is that my DRZ-400 literally says dual sport on the side of it 😅 I was waiting for a DRZ mention

[@atfsgeoff]

There are purpose-built dual sports, and there are adopted dual sports. Purpose built would be stuff designed/built/marketed by the manufacturer to be on and off road capable. Adopted dual sport would be any bike that the owner/rider takes both on- and off-road with regularity, regardless of manufacturer design/intent. Easy peasy.

[@OSOFLHP]

Completely useless discussion, lights on a dirt bike, aggressive tread on a road bike, motorcycles that do nothing well, license plate on a moto x bike, sport bikes, touring bike,

[@ronr6605]

Dualsport is dodge power wagon to the tractor but adv are Citroën cactus to the tractor. Labeling adv dualsport is like calling big dudes sumo wrestler. Nope, the common couch potato is no athlete, he is just fat. So Wikipedia might not be a valid source for that.

[@daveduncan798]

The 690/701 has a frame derived from a Dakar rally bike, the engine is slowly becoming more street orientated with shorter stroke and better balancers, the suspension is also shorter.

[@justsomedude445]

always been a dual sport guy , first bike was a very clapped out Honda CT90 , then an XL350 and and and , have owned street bikes and dirt bikes but always got more miles on dual sports and now adventure bikes

[@markdawson5215]

Another 2 cents... Dual Sport = Adventure Bikes + Enduro Bikes

[@BlackRabbitt92]

I’m confused how range separates dual sport from adventure bike when larger displacement bikes burn more fuel? Upgrade fuel storage and problem solved

[@paul.vanhout57]

Bravo for releasing “Where the Road Ends”. Epic journey about perseverance and brotherhood👍

[@ahubert285]

I’ve rode a DR2Hunnit harder. Longer. And faster than any sane man. It’s a dualsport.

[@jimtitt3571]

Kinda freaky that things like the Bultaco Alpina don't get a mention (or Hodaka), guess you guys are just too young to know much!

[@agustincuevae]

Ticks are the less worrying problems in the Darien now days, narco guerrilla, armed robbers and thousands of migrants are really the worries.

[@Xs395]

Dual-sport: a bike that's happier in the dirt that you can legally ride on roads. Adventure: a bike that's happier on the road but you are able to ride off-road.

[@geoffmaule4103]

I have a ccm 644 ds, from the factory it is suppled with 2 sets of wheels, one set of supper moto and one set of enduro and is insured as a dual sport so i would say that is the true meaning of a dual sport and not a bike that may be able to do 2 things. The media try to call all sorts of bikes as dual sport to sell bikes but they aren't. I ride both long distance on the supper wheels as in 4 days riding around wales uk with a friend on a 701 and then on another long week end riding off road green laining after swapping wheels, depending on witch wheels are on the bike, it will go any were.

[@Morbieman]

Since I’m looking to buy a dual sport motorcycle in the not too distant future this podcast was right in my wheelhouse. I’m going to buy the Gas Gas 700, which is the same bike as the KTM 690/Husky 701. Husky only lists the supermoto version on their site these days, while KTM and Gas Gas list both dual sport and supermoto models. I would go for the Honda XR 650 but it’s the same bike that came out in the mid 1980’s. Honda needs to update that one.

[@Tampa_tom]

Over 2 hours and you didn’t once bring up the wr250r. I’m now sad and my day is ruined

[@javiermartinez364]

Hi, Svartpilen 401 or Crf rally 250 for city use only????

[@johnpost]

When it comes to the definition of Dual Sport, I’m pretty sure that Justice Potter of the US Supreme Court said “I know it when I see it.

[@StayAtHomeBiker]

It is always interesting but episodes are getting longer and longer. It used to be two beers long but at over two hours I am in danger of becoming an alcoholic. More is not always better.

[@danielklopp7007]

I began riding long before the term "dual sport" was coined. Previous to dual sport, we called them "enduro" bikes, and I believe the Yamaha DT-1 (introduced in 1968) was the first true "dual sport" (even if Yamaha didn't designate it so). I differentiate "dual sport" from "adventure" predominately by the number of cylinders, which loosely correlates to overall weight, which loosely correlates to off-road performance. To use my two favorite examples to illustrate the point: I wouldn't hesitate to ride a DR-Z 400S in a competition enduro (i.e. predominately tight single-track), and I wouldn't hesitate to ride a Yamaha Tenere 700 across the USA on interstate highways. However, I would hesitate to flip this example (not that it couldn't be done - but it would take a more dedicated/skilled rider than me to accomplish it). The only exception I can think of to my "number of cylinders" rule is the Aprilia RXV 450/550 (no longer in production) - which despite its twin cylinder engine, I would classify as dual sport (I think they even made a motocross version of this bike).

[@patrickmchugh8039]

KLR 650 would be another one to keep in mind. Single cylinder that would just be in the way of an enduro race, but more at home running around the world ADV style. Otherwise, I'd generally agree with you that cylinders can be a helping factor to differentiate, albeit not a perfect one. Also I think the days of a DR-Z 400 being a competitor in series Enduros has passed though ha. Just like the T7, I'd put it in the category of "yeah you could do an enduro on one, but not if you wanted to actually compete"

[@saddle8bag]

You guys need to watch a Million Dollar Bogan vids. He uses a Harley Road King as a dual sport and rides them off road harder than 99.9% of adventure tourers will ever see.

[@saddle8bag]

@@IRLtrolls He traveled and those were the roads that got him where he was going. And the condition of a LOT of those roads was worse than what most people with a shiny new $30k boxer will ever experience.

[@argieessex]

Isn't this like Sports Tourers and just a state of mind... 😆

[@cliftonsr]

Sounds like a 1973 Yamaha 100 MX LT that I had!

[@0hn0haha]

Drz 400. GOAT. Ty for coming to my TED talk

[@stevensmyth8359]

don't tell itchy boots that the 300Rally is not an adventure bike

[@2wheelseparationanxietydis271]

When Spurge said dual sport for the city I was mentally screaming supermoto! I don’t live in a city but do have a supermoto and I do trail ride it quite a bit. After years of riding I know that I need two bikes that I don’t have yet. CRF450L and Versys 650. Loved this episode!

[@lukefish7562]

I like my crf450rl but my crf300L is half the price and a better all around bike especially going slow in technical terrain. Good luck and Enjoy!

[@2wheelseparationanxietydis271]

@@lukefish7562 thanks for the input! The Versys will come first but when it comes time for the dual sport I’ll have to put in more thought 🤔

[@Lampislife]

I can ride my street triple down a packed dirt track, but it's not a dual sport.

[@brandonhindmarsh4353]

Spenser's intro was great 👍. Congrats Zach's fam!

[@necrosbowen]

i imagine the yamaha xt 500 and 600 as true dual sport and then newer

[@onlyinaxj1421]

hot take, ADV bikes are not dual sports!

[@2fastnlight]

Once the stock suspension is addressed, the 300l rally is adv all the way. That is how they are being used more and more commonly.

[@omicrondec]

Yes!

[@markmc9229]

Spence! The DR?!? Can’t touch the KLR!

[@BlakesPipes]

So I am looking at moving to Tennessee, Johnson City next year and was dead set on buying a Himalayan. Spent 6 months researching and went out two weeks ago to Tennessee and went to pick up some oil for my Concours at Kawasaki and they had a KLR and a Himalayan next to each other. Well I am now dead set on I made a mistake thinking of the Himalayan. I am now in the middle of figuring out when I want to buy it. Wait till the 2023 model comes out or just buy a left over 2022 next year. Thank you for this podcast as I have watched all of them. Great job

[@batterybuilding]

I was at the same point. I ended up going with the KLR. Before i decided, i went to an off road skills class and another student brought a Himalayan. It was put through a lot of starting and stopping over two days as we did practice drills. It had a fair amount of trouble restarting plus i couldn’t get over having a choke lever on fuel injection. The crash bars were useless and bent. Overall, it just wasn’t as well designed as the Japanese bikes I’m used too. I found the KLR to be more refined than the Himalayan which blows my mind because thats not really the KLRs strength to say the least. The KLR is heavier and fatter both in weight and girth, but can haul an SUVs worth of camping gear. Your height will also be a deciding factor. It took me at least 500 miles of commuting in town before i got the hang of the KLRs bulk but now I can whip it around tight streets and parking lots with no problem. The engine also smoothed out during the break in period.

[@BlakesPipes]

@@batterybuilding I very thank you for your feedback. It makes it more confident to make my third bike. I feel bad, as already owning 2 kawasaki s and feel like I will get judged on my opinion on bikes. Just makes the bike I need. Not want as I am 100 percent bike. No car.

[@ComfyDadShoes]

I was going to pour salt in my eyes if they didn’t mention the DR650. There could possibly be a segment here on the klr650, dr650, xr650l. My DR is my unicorn.

[@robertadams4415]

Hey Zach congrats on your new. arrival

[@bonjovi1354]

klx 450r costs 8.50 lakhs in india

[@johnpost]

Best Dual Sport of all time is the Yamaha TW 200 - virtually unchanged from 1987-2023. Why change perfection?

[@rocketrollsvlogs7625]

I agree with off-road that is street legal. 300 cc and 300 lbs is ideal, but Dual Sport is a mindset... However, let's keep it real. Picking up my Africa Twin is a b1tc8.

[@r.h.w.1776]

WR250R is the greatest, much like Mr. Robert! *cough, cough, t shirt, cough*

[@htiek30120]

Before dual sport, these bikes were referred to as dual purpose motorcycles. DP bikes were basically street legal, de-tuned dirt bikes. The XR650L, KLR650, and DR650 were all once labeled dual purpose. Bikes like the 500EXC are dirt focused and can be used for sporting events like Enduro races. Bikes like the R1250GS are street focused and better suited for long trips or adventures.

[@KTMK73]

What I don't think I heard was...since you're distinguishing between an Adventure (which I don't think is a dualsport) and a Dualsport, sounds like you're saying what makes a dualsport a dualsport is a factory off-road thumper below 700cc that has lights, horn, signals, mirrors.

[@insatiable_mind]

Watched the film. I think a TW could make the Dorian Gap or a DR200 or XT200. Something small and lightweight. A 125cc pit bike but I don’t know of a street legal version.

[@davidackerman6837]

should've brought the Desert Sled into the mix

[@daviduruena2709]

Was thinking the same thing. They threw the word 'scrambler' around without any sort of answer, but I'm curious on their take - whether it be the newer scramblers out there or vintage

[@kawabungah20]

Heartfelt congrats to Zack!! Good job Spurge and Spencer! Patrick is always amazing with his versatility and experiences. I think the KLR650 is a "Mt. Rushmore" member of the dual-sport club. The Honda CL77 from the 1960s was a fun adventure bike or dual sport bike too!

[@jayhafe]

Yeeting a street bike off the road doesn’t make it a dual-sport.

[@dln.sweeney]

A "true" Supermoto bike is based on a not-road-legal motocross bike that has been adapted to race on pavement, so I'd be tempted to argue that they're almost the opposite of a Dualsport. A Dualsport in my eyes, being something originally designed for trail riding with concessions made in the interest of being platable.

[@graylunsford]

I like Spencer’s general definitions for “dual sport” and “adventure.” I can’t believe you guys didn’t go on to define the other terms you mentioned (such as, “scrambler”). Please, please, please stop using the phrase, “without any further ado!” Just do what you’re going to do! I listen to a lot of podcasts and I’m going to start making this comment whenever I hear the phrase, which is quite frequently. I’ll still live the podcast even if you keep saying it, but please do not. I think i heard it at least twice in this episode! Just say, “…and now, on to the engine sound guessing game!” Ta da! By the way, you’ve convinced me that i need a dual sport. Thanks for your good work!

[@whitedrguy6503]

Where Americans get confused with calling a dual sport as a bike that can be registered for road use is a bit confusing. Bikes like KTMs exe range are enduro race bikes not dual sports, the reason they can be registered for road use is because in Europe and Australia the bike will have to do transport sections on public roads or ridden on public land, therefore have to be registered. Dual sports were known as road trail bikes back in the day, DT and XT Yamahas, Hondas XL range, Kawasaki KL , Suzuki TS and DR. The equivalent Enduro models were Yamaha TT and IT, Honda XR, Kawasaki had the KDX, and Suzuki had the PE, Kawasaki and Suzuki back in the seventies only had 2 stroke enduros. Bikes like the original Africa twin, Yamaha Tenere, BMW R80 GS, DR big, Kawasaki KLR were Paris/ Dakar replicas not adventure bikes. Times have changed not always for the better.

[@notinthehead]

I was yelling for the first 90 minutes, "What about a KLR 650?" Spurge redeemed himself by nominating such a well-used bike. Q: Is a Scrambler a dual-sport or an ADV? (grabs popcorn)

[@plmotoring]

Congrats Zack !!. Everyone is talking about that cboystv r6 offroad video really hilarious.. they did a sportster too and just yesterday a trike, fun stuff.. Spencer more ctxp please!!!

[@timtaylor8557]

The answer is not so complicated. It's a street legal dirt bike. DONE!

[@davidmatthews3093]

But it’s not.

[@timtaylor8557]

@@davidmatthews3093 How so?

[@M8D4fun]

I had a good nap while watching this.