REWATCH: Star Wars Episode VII The Force Awakens The Sith Council:

Star Wars The Force Awakens was the highly anticipated episode in the franchise and was released in 2015. Rey, Poe, Finn and Kylo Ren all made their debuts. JJ Abrams directed the film and it . How will this film tie into the upcoming series? Join the Sith Council crew as we discuss how we felt the film holds up today. Leave Comment!
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[@lunat6952]

"Is Snoke actually Plagueis?" Man those were the days of Jedi Council. So much fun and wild speculation in 2015

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Right?!

[@sachaallari592]

They even had the bloody Plagus Theme in there! #fail

[@PerfectNormal]

John even confirmed it was Plagueis

[@mandofan2616]

Kristian's comment on the victory of ROTJ not mattering to the SW universe resonates today. 20 years later, the First Order comes back, just like Biden and Trump getting troops out of Afghanastan, handing victory back to the Taliban.

[@LeroySinclair69]

I remember a Jedi council ep right before the film came out where council had reported sources had told them Snoke was Plagueis

[@Averagejoe-wl9ym]

2014- December of 2015 was probably the happiest time of my life as far as being a SW fan. The hype from Schmoes, Collider, and all the movie websites was insane. The energy online was so positive and full of hope. We were lucky to have been united in our hope for SW to return to its rightful place as the most important movie franchise in the world. A fandom with any hate or division-what a lovely thought! TFA was a beautiful love letter to the OT. It hits you right in the heart when you watch it and makes you feel like a kid again. Unbelievably strong performances from everyone involved, incredible action sequences, and powerful emotional moments throughout. No matter how out of place the Rathtar scene feels, I still think this a perfect SW movie in terms of pacing and directing. I love this movie for reinvigorating my love for SW.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

I love this comment, so much positivity from it. Thank you.

[@metallicnole4514]

And yet it ended up being wasted potential because of the movies that followed it

[@carlossorto2099]

Man, I feel this comment, one hundred percent! Thank you 🙏🏾.

[@cruman87]

2014 up to the release of the The Last Jedi in 2017 was peak SW hype for me. Watching Movie Talk, Jedi Council, SK and many other videos, podcast about SW was fun. Coming up with and discussing theories about where SW could go. "Who is Rey?", "What happened between Luke and Kylo Ren?" "Is Snoke Darth Plagieus?" "Is Finn force sensitive?" Such a fun time. Hope we can get back there or close to it .

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Yup, but I think TV is serving that void now.

[@curthagens]

So good to have Mike back! All three of you bring unique perspectives and bounce off each other so well

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Thank you!

[@stan4242]

Love this show and the interaction and energy between Steph, Mike and you. I was very excited for this trilogy and all the new Star Wars content. I was disappointed, but at least they tried to expand the Star Wars universe. It could have been great. I am very glad Disney seems to be on the right course imo with The Mandalorian and the upcoming shows.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Good points!

[@mandofan2616]

For the future, maybe move Mike's mic away from the front and to the side because the camera is focus hunting between him and the mic in foreground. Thanks

[@trevorthornley8835]

Tried to expand? No the prequels expanded. These movies had no world building at all

[@stan4242]

@@trevorthornley8835 I mean that at least they tried to put together a new trilogy and move past the events of RotJ. I would always want to have more Star Wars movies and content than rely on the two trilogies. So I was very excited, but the execution was very flawed imo. But I do still prefer it to for instance Rogue One. I think it was a waste to focus a whole movie on getting the death star plans, rather than develop some new story.

[@seandconway]

Awesome discussion Sith Council! I absolutely love the sequel trilogy myself and I get so much out of them but I always enjoy hearing a different opinion. Thank you guys for keeping it fun even if this trilogy didn't work for you all. I don't know if it's possible but it would be awesome if you could get Joseph Scrimshaw and Ken Napzok on the Rise of Skywalker re-watch episode, I would love to hear that discussion @ForceCenter! Thanks for all you guys do and can't wait to hear the council talk more Star Wars! May the Force be with You!

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Thank you Sean!

[@MrGeoff-iv6re]

I also love the entire sequel trilogy. It’s awesome to see someone else that appreciates them and is a fellow Force Center fan! I agree it would be great to see Scrimshaw and Napzok on here!

[@seandconway]

@@MrGeoff-iv6re So happy to hear that you also like them. Hopefully more appreciation for them will grow in the future! I would love to see a Force Center and Sith Council cross over. I've always wanted to see Kristian and Joseph talk Star Wars.

[@ThisIsNoConcept]

If Colin trevorrow made his episode ix, the overall feeling of the sequel trilogy would’ve been more positive imo

[@Thisisgood99]

If it’s the script with Kylo messing with the power to create life or whatever, then yeah I wish we would’ve seen that.

[@tomdevinney7280]

Easily! Force awakens showed so much promise, last Jedi took some odd turns but would’ve paid off great if rise of Skywalker didn’t try to retcon everything

[@NZealand]

Fuck yeah, that would’ve paid off the whole trilogy. That would’ve been the perfect third film for this trilogy.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Agreed

[@333AndMan]

If that were the case I actually think people would come around from The Last Jedi knowing how EP 9 would pay off the trilogy

[@boi905]

Finn and Rey are like plutonic soulmates. I never thought they should be together romantically, but they are really really good close friends

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Yeah better as pals

[@lankanainen]

Platonic* ✌🏻

[@NisGaarde]

Totally with Kristian. I liked the movie well enough when it came out. It was promising. It did feel very surface-level and a whole lot of setup and foreshadowing. Unfortunately it never really went anywhere. And after watching the whole sequel trilogy I can't help but to feel little manipulated as a fan. Disney treated Star Wars first and foremost a product to be pushed to the consumer as fast as possible. Nevermind telling a cohesive story. Which ultimately makes The Force Awakens feel a little speculative. It has all the markers. A desert planet, The Millennium Falcon, a lightsaber, a substitute Luke, a substitute Yoda, a substitute Darth Vader, Death Star, Emperor, etc. All of that means nothing if you don't have a good story and relatable characters, preferably with interesting arcs. I'm happy for everyone who got that out of the sequels. Sadly I didn't.

[@jesserodgers5625]

Beautifully said.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Hard to argue with this. Goes back to the same quote I have been repeating on a loop: "It is about making something that was an homage to the stuff that inspired Star Wars, not an homage to Star Wars itself."

[@magicconchshell]

Yeah. There are things i love about each film seperatly, but when i look at them as a whole, it really did fail as a trilogy.

[@jesserodgers5625]

Before all else - before a plan, before passion, before research, before whether or not the people behind the sequel trilogy knew or loved Star Wars (Im not convinced JJ or Rian or ANYONE gave a hoot about SW beyond "Empire." Is the name Anakin mentioned ONCE in the sequel trilogy?), the failure of this trilogy was in its inspiration. George Lucas had a story to tell. Divine inspiration. Disney had an investment to recuperate. Purely, solely economic inspiration. The failure of the sequel trilogy is that NO one was divinely inspired to tell it.

[@doomraven0]

JJ used to be awesome but he also gave up on great stories long before the end because he just likes to start things and sucks at finishing them. Alias, Lost, Fringe, Star Trek. He does love Star Wars but all he was inspired to do was blast everyone with nostalgia. RJ also loves Star Wars, he has talked obsessively about it in all of his films' commentaries and many interviews. He is also a great writer/director. He likes to tell interesting, unique stories. Had he had an entire trilogy to himself, it would have been great. Having two such different visions screwed this series over. Whatever some people might say, Kathleen Kennedy is a wretched human being and should have been fired a decade ago, regardless of her past success. There are good elements in the ST but what a mess.

[@PerfectNormal]

What a great conversation? That was and easy listen. Bravo guys 👏🏼nice way to start my Saturday morning.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@dandaman2323]

Kristian I really enjoyed your series of videos where you deep dived into the Disney era Star Wars movies 🍿 Would love to see you do this with other franchises or movies like Man of Steel or the Abrams Star Trek movies 🙌🏻🔥

[@dawn_bestofj2]

Loved this episode! I couldn't agree with you more, Kristian. I loved this movie when it first came out but watching it the other night some of the shine was taken out of this movie for me because of what you said - you see all of the setup that was just ignored. I still like this movie a lot but it's sad knowing that they botched up the rest of the trilogy (in my humble opinion). There are a couple of things I never liked about this film - I didn't like that Han & Leia were split up. I hated that aspect of the film since they were my OTP since I was 7 years old. I wish we'd gotten to see Luke, Han & Leia all together on screen one last time. I don't know how they thought not putting the big three together was a good idea. I thought they did a good job of making me connect to Rey, Finn, and Poe. I came out of the movie loving the new big 3. The score was amazing as always. I especially liked Rey's theme, Kylo's theme and the Jedi Steps/Finale. Han Solo had great moments as did Chewle. It broke my heart when Han died even though I expected it to happen. It's really a shame that they didn't have some sort of outline for the entire trilogy. So much potential wasted. I'd love to read George's script for this movie. Next week will be rough since I'm not a "Last Jedi" fan but I will rewatch it for the sake of this rewatch series.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Yeah it is going to be an interesting episode to say the least.

[@chrisolivo6591]

Not having Han, Luke and Leia reunited in Episode 7 is one of the most head scratching decisions in the history of movies. 3 iconic characters brought back on screen for the first time in 32 years and not one scene together?

[@emsi96]

I freaking adore this movie . Love it so much and I just pretend 8 and 9 didn’t happen so I don’t get upset . You guys are so right, It set up everything so well and it went absolutely nowhere.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Yeah that is the biggest issue with this film.

[@vaporwave4880]

It set nothing up.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

@@vaporwave4880 It’s set a lot up, just didn’t deliver on anything

[@vaporwave4880]

@@TheKristianHarloff What I mean is there was no world-building. No explanation for the first order, no explanation for the ‘resistance’ or where the republic was. It didn’t feel like they established anything for the next two films to build on (unlike, say, Fellowship of the Ring, Phantom Menace, or Dune). It guess you could say it created a few mysteries eg who is snoke, who are Reys parents etc but I wouldnt call that set up. TFA was an enjoyable experience, but it coasted along on familiar tropes and repetition.

[@magicconchshell]

@@vaporwave4880 as much as i love this film, i agree the begining set up wasnt very good. Youd have to read Bloodline in order to understand the state of the galaxy and the relationship between the republic, the resistance, and the first order. Im hoping the shows coming out will help lead into it and explain things better, like what clone wars did for the prequels.

[@OLDTIME47]

The best line..... from Mike..... "the force went to bed" lol 😆

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Haha

[@OLDTIME47]

6 yrs later..... still pissed Luke wasn't 😤 in it. No hero scenes, no force kick butt powers display, so sad.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Agreed

[@alexp601]

I think that probably would’ve gone down better if Luke was more kick ass in the next two films (and a big three reunion scene)

[@lexis4490]

Force Awakens had such a great setup for having multiple Jedi and Sith. Rey could of have been a form student that Luke Skywalker hid away. The Knights of Ren could of been former students that he was boys/ friends with. Snoke could of been one of the trainers who turned bad. It would of shown Luke Skywalker was doing something during that time period.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

100 percent! "What girl?"

[@Halderic]

This film was a great setup that the other two films on a narrative level couldn't pay off. The only thing I don't like about it is Starkiller base plot line and subsequent space battle. Sure, it looked great but added nothing new to the story. Still, by far the best of the new trilogy.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Agree with all of that.

[@wiz3404]

This was actually my introduction to the Star Wars universe and consequently Collider and later Schmoedown. I instantly fell in love with all of it and went in rabbit holes of all the lore and details. The excitement for Star Wars and Marvel was through the roof, it was a glorious time. I doubt we will get the same amount of hype any time soon. Such a shame how it was handled, I cant even imagine how frustrating it must be for fans who were there from the beginning feel it going down the drain. I haven't gotten around to watching the ep 8 & 9 videos but I know it will be fun!

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Thank you and yes we had a blast doing these! Thank you for joining us!

[@superdave452]

I had my problems with this movie but i walked away still loving it despite my issues and excited... I watched Collider Jedi Council religiously, I remember being at work and locking myself in my office to watch their entire Star Wars celebration coverage... When Chewie were home happened i screamed so loud it echoed through the entire building and i couldnt come out of my office because i was actually crying... lol. After that it was ON.. I watched Jedi council religiously. I would race home from an hour drive at work to catch it .. if i wasnt getting home on time i would start it on my phone and listen thru my car stereo then race into my house when i got home to finish. :p The anticipation for this movie is something we will never experience again.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Well hopefully Sith Council becomes that for ya!

[@superdave452]

@@TheKristianHarloff It definitely has been. Was super stoked when this was first announced. This is what i have been waiting for man!

[@superdave452]

Not gonna bs ya though.. Not looking forward to episode 8 and 9 rewatch. But i will!

[@TheKristianHarloff]

@@superdave452 Dreading next week haha

[@gokinsmen]

Even without a plan, the ST could have been great. Right after TFA came out, I saw a dozen fan theories that were waaay better than what we got in Ep8 and 9. They tripped over themselves trying to "outsmart" the fans. If Snoke was Plagueis, Rey was a Kenobi and Finn was Force-sensitive, I guarantee the ST would have been received 10X better.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

This is a GREAT point. They definitely tried and went out of their way yo outsmart fans.

[@randalthekidd7006]

Rey was Mary sued at that point and Kylo was kind of a bitch no matter how you excuse with his injuries he lost to someone on their first day. The only way to really reset the stakes are by having snoke be plagueis and kylo have like a force block imposed by luke that limits his power which would show more subtlety how afraid Luke should be it makes it so tfa kylo was an unreleased state AND had doubts which would explain a huge power jump the next movie. The block would also prep the ways luke overstepped with kylo specifically in his order. Then just write a better Luke story where he isn’t just hiding and sad and build from there. It could be done but making kylo an actual villain and just sort of having rey train a bunch and not be op could have possibly saved it.

[@trevorthornley8835]

They focused too much on stupid pointless identity politics instead of story

[@caigecrampshee3709]

Thanks for this show guys. Really look forward to these Friday reviews. Can't tell you how much I appreciate it.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Glad you like them! Thank you!

[@matthewsloan7400]

You made a great point in how the movie has changed knowing what happens with the rest of the trilogy. I am someone who loves the last jedi but it has its issues for me. Like canto bight and I don't like that fin recovered from the injury so quick given that the movie started right after the force awakens. Which is another issue I have. Love to know your thoughts on the next episode. Keep up the great work.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Thanks Matt!!

[@rodneylaborde1550]

Loved the episode, keep it up. Finn never joined the resistance by the end of this movie. He literally lied to Leia and put anyone who was actually in the resistance at risk just to be able to get on starkiller base to save Rey. He fights kylo because what the hell else is he gonna do just give up? Last jedi was needed for him to realize he believes in the cause, just my opinion though 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Thank you. Yeah big difference of opinion with Finn but love hearing the perspective!

[@starwarsrevealed2046]

Great video guys. It's always better with three! ...its a shame JJ turned down eps 8 imagine how much more meaningful Finns overall arc would have been. Next week should be very intresting...

[@TheKristianHarloff]

There should have been a full treatment for the whole trilogy.

[@kins1894]

56:52 Man I remembered you reviewing TLJ on jedi council still figuring out how you feel, and saying you liked it more on 1st rewatch then some times later on SEN live listening to you talk about how you hated the movie. I always wondered and asking myself "man what happened right there???" Now I have the answer. 😀

[@TheKristianHarloff]

It is just one of those movies that gets worse and worse every time.

[@StanvilleBrown]

Just imagine if Dave Filoni and Jon Favreau made the sequel trilogy! 😌

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Facts

[@NZealand]

Fuck yes! They should’ve given Dave the story lead job for this.

[@StanvilleBrown]

@@NZealand if only friend! 😏

[@andrewbarnett152]

No. At least not for me. Jon Favreau is a medicore director and Dave Filoni isn't even a proven one outside of Star Wars fandom. Star Wars fans tend to ignore the real duds on Jon Favreau's resume because they see their own fannishness reflected back in him ('he just gets it!'). Favreau hasn't made a live action film in the studio system that hasn't been made under controlled conditions since Cowboys & Aliens ran into trouble a decade ago. And don't forget that Harrison Ford might be less than keen to work with him again after that movie laid an egg. But Harrison Ford was a strong supporter of JJ Abrams going back even to Regarding Henry, and it's been plausibly suggested that Kathy Kennedy was determined to get a director that Harrison Ford already knew and respected as a sweetener for him to reprise a role that he was always ambivalent at best about. And the obvious one - Spielberg- wasn't on the table. Favreau's last five films as a director: Iron Man 2, Cowboys & Aliens, Chef, The Jungle Book, The Lion King..At best two decent movies out of five. Him doing the sequel trilogy may well have ended up as a case of 'beware what you wish for'. Besides, if Favreau had ended up doing the sequel trilogy then The Mandalorian would almost certainly not have happened.

[@StanvilleBrown]

@@andrewbarnett152 well... you not wrong. But if Jon or Dave was writing the sequel trilogy the shit storm that was the Last Jedi fallout would have never happened! Please don't even get be fucking started on the Rise of Skywalker. It's lazy writing rival The Game of Thrones finale!

[@jacobpinchen7282]

Also heartbreaking to watch these after seeing boba and kenobi. We were all so excited 😅

[@trevorthornley8835]

There's no reason to be excited anymore

[@DamianEve]

Thank you for all of the time and energy you have been putting into these Star Wars and Spider-Man rewatches. For both, it has been fantastic to hear multiple voices and their individual perspectives, plus learning something new along the way. I love that when I don’t agree with an angle/opinion, I get to hear their perspective and understand where they are coming from. I wanted to ask if you were planning on doing a Mandalorian rewatch as well? Maybe do a a video on each season, instead of episode per episode rewatches?

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Thank you! Matrix is next!

[@SlappyMcSlappster]

@@TheKristianHarloff is it possible for a batman rewatch for flashpoint later next year?

[@jasono.1629]

I love you guys revisited E7 to discuss it now years later. It had some of the magic of the original trilogy to me. The rumor I heard back then as I’m sure many others speculated on was that Snoke was the old guy in black robes who was Vader’s assistant in Rogue One on Mustafar, when Director Krennic came to visit.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Should have been connected

[@briangoins3386]

Remember the days of the star wars draft and Far far away ? Good times back then. I'd love to listen to that draft episode again.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Yeah that was a blast!

[@BigBadMadDog.]

I'm in the same boat as you with this one Kristian. I remember watching you in the JC days when TFA first came out and having the same reaction as you. The film left me so intrigued about where 8&9 would go but now that they've come out, its tainted my opinion on this one. My memory of watching it during the midnight screening is my favorite thing about it.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

I am all about TV now, just way more time to develop and not cram like these did.

[@randalthekidd7006]

@@TheKristianHarloff I think movies can be good if it’s like the pinnacle event of something. With streaming everything is in one place so it’s not as confusing to general consumers but i could see 5 years of Thrawn set up for a huge event which then happens in a higher budget 2hr movie to really give it weight.

[@tomdevinney7280]

No matter how downhill the movies went after this, force awakens is still one of my favorite Star Wars movies w the amount of potential it brought to the universe

[@Averagejoe-wl9ym]

I remember the old Schmoes Knows Movie Show Days when we would all dish on TFA casting news and plot details. The hype was real and the movie lived up to it

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Yeah it is a blast to watch.

[@jdashy23]

I appreciate you guys doing this. Although I’m a massive fan of all Star Wars and love the sequels I appreciate your honesty and thoughts

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Thank you Jason!!

[@Ruleof2Review]

The politics in Phantom Menace and the PT are SO good. People get that wrong all the time. Disney clearly didn’t understand Star Wars.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

You give too much credit to Disney. Lucasfilm was still asking the creative choices in SW on what was explored and what wasn't. Disney still in charge and Mando gets it.

[@Ruleof2Review]

@@TheKristianHarloff I see what you’re saying. LF was just as in charge if not more-so than Disney. I guess should reword my feelings moving forward from analyzing “Disney” Star Wars to analyzing “post-George Lucas” Star Wars. Truly I think *that’s* the missing piece. And of course I’m talking about on film for the most part. 😉

[@hito157]

Oh man, I saw this one in theaters, this brought back the excitement for Star Wars for me in a big way! Great talk.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Thank you Hito!

[@ZackLSUOregon]

Great show guys!! Force Awakens is my favorite Star Wars film, I cannot possibly love it more than I do. It is in my top 5 films I have ever seen and I am not sorry about it 😂

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Nor should you be! Appreciate the honesty!

[@CoreyHart13]

I've said this b4 I'm sure, but I still go back and watch the collab Kristian did with Mr.Sunday Movies back at the start if the Star Wars relaunch. Weekly Planet and Mr.Sunday are one of my fave Channels on YT as was Cplloder at the time. So getting to see that collab was a dream come true. My point I guess is that it was such a magical time, that I can still revisit it through those old jedi council episodes. By the time RLM was goofing on the theme park thing I had already lost my enthusiasm so to be honest ti never got the joke until Kristian goofed on himself for it hahahahaha what a saga. Love the emotion of the channel been really finding your stride and building a commrodarry with the audience. We know what type of content to expect, whose typically going to appear and the vibe. It seems you really took fans advice and kept movie and pop culture news/talk as the DNA and threw in your ambitions of a fun morning radio shoot the shit type vibe on top. Which imo is Kristians overall appeal. Always comes with ambition and passion and can have a sense of humour about himself. That's why people like him and schnepp worked so well juxtapositioned with a serious less fun, but equally entertaining Campea way back when. Anyway keep killing it, this channel has become one I get excited for and check daily. I'm slowly being introduced to people I'm less familiar with as well, like Steph or Kate. I'm old-school and know and love Napzok, Riley, Ellis, Roxy, McCuga etc...but by the time collider live was the focus I mostly fell off and only tuned in when a certain group of recognizable faces popped up. I know you appreciate feedback like this so I'm letting my novel length comment fly 😂 take care folks thanks for the entertainment Kristian ✌❤

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Thank you so much for this comment. So happy you are enjoying the new content. I have been pretty clear on it, this is the most fun I have done doing this and easily my favorite show that I have worked on.

[@CoreyHart13]

@@TheKristianHarloff it shows dude. For real. Your a pretty easy read which imo only speaks to your authenticity, but it's evident that you feel ci finest and more relaxed lately. It'd be tough as hell constantly having to have success and then rebuild it from ground up. You being relaxed and joyous translates to the audience for sure 👍

[@thenu9960]

I was 7 years old when A New Hope came out and my fascination and happiness knew no bounds. When I saw The Force Awakens, I was that 7 year old girl all over again. Pure joy.

[@thenu9960]

Also, thank you for this rewatch. Star Wars always reminds me of some of the happiest moments of my childhood.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

That feeling was there for me as well.

[@CinematicGalaxy]

I'm completely on the same page with Kristian. It's my favorite of the Sequel Trilogy, I still enjoy watching it, and I have GREAT memories of seeing it for the first time in theaters with friends...but I like it so much less when I look at it as part of the trilogy considered the squandered potential. If I view it as a one-off or a stand-alone, I like it, even though I understand the complaint that it is too close to the OT. I also Kool-Aided myself on TLJ (and TROS), but more on that on that video once I watch it haha.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Haha, thank you!

[@austintyler272]

I was 16 when TFA came out and I remember tuning in religiously to Jedi Council. I attribute Kristian to a lot of my love of Star Wars. Really good times.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Well thank you! Hopefully you are enjoying Sith!

[@LP3Customs]

What they did to the original trio was just dirty. They obviously turned Luke into a loser (which was made worse in VIII), but they even made Han abandon his family and go back to his criminal ways. And Leia is in the same position she was in at the end of VI

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Yeah kind of disregarded original arcs

[@meghan3009]

Are you guys planning on doing any Star Wars show deep dive- Clone Wars, Rebels, Mandalorian? Would love to see it!

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Mandalorian is likely as we gear up for Season 3

[@ryancraig6675]

51:40 *To cheat death is a power only one has achieved but if we work together, I am certain we can discover the secret* . -Palpatine to Anakin in ROTS. Palpatine lied. He hadn't figured it all out at the time and which made it easy to buy the cloning and sith practices explanation.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Fair

[@brucecrawford4948]

When The Force Awakens came out, most of everyone loved it but I had a bad feeling about the film & for where the Sequel trilogy was headed. I was still looking forward to 8 & 9 but I’m grateful that I listened to my gut. What happened was far worse than I could imagined though. 🤦🏻‍♂️ I hope Disney/Lucasfilm learned their lesson from this trilogy & move forward with planned stories for future films & series.

[@vincentjetton4157]

Duecbebag

[@JohnDean16]

Your instincts served you well. Trust your head canon. :)

[@jrad410]

Same lol had the same feeling when I saw the teaser

[@TheKristianHarloff]

TV is a big plan for sure.

[@brucecrawford4948]

@@vincentjetton4157 Why?

[@OLDTIME47]

Be good to do a Mando show and recover the first 2 seasons before season 3 comes out, and do one for Bobester when his comes out and the possibilities there...

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Yes we are going to do full episode reviews of Boba and once Mando gets close, we will do rewatch of Seasons 1 and 2.

[@OLDTIME47]

You know what I do often, I watch the old 2014 jedi councils and even the old toad hop streams to rewatch the excitement of Harloff and others when Disney bought it from George. All the want and hope and great thoughts by Harloff and then fast forward and we all get let down.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Well don't fast forward to far Jack because you will land on me excited for Mandalorian, Obi-Wan-Boba on Disney +

[@OLDTIME47]

@@TheKristianHarloff for sure, can't wait, staying on target.

[@chrisolivo6591]

2014-16 was a great time to be a Star Wars fan as it was the only time since 1983 that the majority of fanbase was positive towards the direction of the franchise. The speculation before and after The Force Awakens was so fun and Collider was a big part of that. Then The Last Jedi came out and it was the Prequels all over again with the fanbase. My metaphor is Luke throwing the lightsaber is like Disney throwing away all the good will they built up over 3 years.

[@OLDTIME47]

Had to watch this again.... mike - " why do we keep getting orders?" LOL

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Haha

[@OzzyIyzzO]

I love this movie, but I always found it funny how the last part of the map to Luke was the last small piece of a map with everything around it figured out. Why couldn’t whatever space company who was making the maps go in that section? Space is huge, but they have lightspeed! They could’ve figured it out.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Yup.

[@creativz666]

I still love the force awakens but every time I re watch it I feel sad at all of the obvious missed opportunities. 8 and 9 where not it for me but 7 showed much promise

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Yup

[@Mateocabrera2389]

I wanted you guys to talk about Hayden in Ahsoka 😞

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Watch the end of the video.

[@Binny2014]

The biggest unanswered question in TFA in my opinion was how Rey (the most powerful force user in the galaxy), the map to Luke (in BB-8), and the Falcon (then Han) became intersected. Was looking forward to learning how 3 things of such galactic importance were connected and how they happened to all be in the same system, on the same planet, in the same region, in the same neighborhood. Even Finn and Poe happened to crash (from space) to within walking distance of the same area...

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Yeah, TBH it is why I look forward to the TV shows more.

[@Spideymrw]

I just really wished they could have figured out a way to get the big 3 together for at least one scene.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Agreed.

[@nickpiccolo9106]

Kristian I agree with you 100% about The Force Awakens! I love it but at the same time it’s disappointing because of what comes after. I saw it in the theaters 4 times and I was happy that Star Wars was back. Despite the similarities to A New Hope, which I didn’t mind, I still had a a lot of fun watching it. Really enjoying the rewatches and hopefully more is to come!

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Yeah, you just get so much optimism on what is to come and it all just is a wet fart afterthat.

[@Julian.Simmons]

We have a good time with this one; love the one on one humour the movie has: BB8 giving the thumbs up to Finn, and Solo telling Finn that "women always find out, always" 😅

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Great parts for sure.

[@Jjj-zz7bz]

I hate Episode 9 but I gotta admit JJ did a good job with the humor in both of his movies

[@Mokkari77]

I cried in the theater seeing Han and Leia's reunion. That said, fans were so happy to see them again that they missed the implication that if Kylo Ren was their son then that means they weren't great parents! They seriously messed up there! Also if Luke was Kylo's teacher then he dropped the ball there too! In the two years to The Last Jedi nobody made the connection that Luke who had gotten Darth freaking Vader to turn away from the Dark Side was unable to keep his nephew(who he presumably had known a lot longer from turning towards the Dark Side?

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Originally, I accepted the fact that the big 3 never reunited but I think it was a big error.

[@BenRnrA]

Great recap Kristian and gang. Loved hearing all the points and opinions of all you. I feel the same way as you Kristian about episode 7. I have the same talks with my brother so much potential WASTED because they had no plan. Snoak was disappointing and Phasma might be the most disappointed and wasted of a single actor in all of Star Wars. if not the most then close to the top. But I have fun watching this movie. It's a good stand alone movie, just sad to watch because of the potential they had.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Agreed on all of that!

[@ttrain45]

The whole C3PO red arm thing was addressed in a comic. I can't remember if it was released before the movie or after. I still don't know why they even bothered changing his arm in the first place. Oh wait, Mel Brooks said it best in Spaceballs, "Merchandising! Merchandising!"

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Yeah comic shomic, no one remembers haha

[@nickalexander7618]

I agree that some of 7 is more disappointing now that we have 9 but I do still enjoy both in different ways. Would it be a good opportunity to start a flashback scene in Obi Wan, with Anikan, Obi, and Ahsoka, and have it end on a cliffhanger then have the flashback story concluded on Ashoka?

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Yeah would love to see how the flashbacks are going to play!

[@atlasofthemoon2485]

Cant wait to hear Rileys thoughts on The Last Jedi, because its my favorite of the new trilogy.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Going to be a different voice for sure!

[@ZachBobBob]

I already feel bad for Reilly. Imagine being in a room with three people that hate a thing you love

[@helenledwith7016]

I feel the same as you. It is a great movie but disappointing in hindsight. There was so much potential. I really would have loved to be at that first table read. The one they took those great pictures of. I just want to see Mark Hamill's reaction. Going page by page looking for his lines. "So you just see me and then cut..." Also I think the twins were Jaina and Jacen. The third child Solo child was Anakin... I think. I remember loving that whole storyline in the Timothy Zahn Trilogy. That really to me is Episode 7 8 9

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Yeah it is this weird hard stance that Lucasfilm has where they refuse to adapt any of their novels. It is bizarre and not that smart to be honest.

[@pseudocide.]

Late in watching these deep dives but loving them! Always thought Finn was going to be a force user, cmon an ex storm trooper, all the juicy set up was there. Wanted him to be a jedi fr

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Never too late!

[@BlankGreenCanvas]

John Boyega doesn’t get enough praise for his performance in this movie. Loved him in Attack the Block and he was instantly my favorite character in TFA. Hope you guys discuss his real-life sentiment on how his role got diminished and discuss the rumored standalone Finn series that I’m sure he’d crush in if he were given the chance.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Oh yeah we will for sure.

[@BlankGreenCanvas]

@@TheKristianHarloff he’s a really brilliant actor. Of all the actors of the new trilogy his upcoming films are the ones I’m most excited for. Attack the Block 2 is going to slap!

[@bendavis287]

I know it’s not popular, but I love 7, 8, and 9. Enjoyed listening to your guys thoughts!

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Hey who cares whats popular? All that is important is that you enjoy it!

[@ValdezN83]

I feel like episode seven should of been those flashbacks we got in episode 8 with luke and Ben solo and the Jedi academy , and Ben killing everyone at the end , then episode 8 could of been the force awakens with some retooling of the script

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Yup

[@bigideas3]

Did any of your shows in the past discuss the Force Awakens toy character, Sarco Plank? The design is so cool, I wish they would do something with it. I read the short book where he deals with Luke, but have already forgotten what happened. I think Plank and Constable Zuvio were in scenes on Jakku, but for some reason they keep guarded exactly what happened with them, unless it has totally eluded me.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Hmm I don't think we covered him

[@TheNeomaul]

Totally agree that the D+ series will make a lot of the things that happened in 7,8,9 make more sense. So far so good 😁 Can’t wait for Disney+ Day in couple weeks for more footages & announcements of those series

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Fingers crossed!

[@jesseurena5153]

me and all my friends thought right out of the movie that she was related to Luke or Obi wan, ALSO remember rian johson made JJ change the last scene where he was supposed to be lifting rocks with the force so clearly JJ had a different plan

[@TheKristianHarloff]

That is true.

[@Jeremy32Miller]

This movie had some of the best marketing not just of a SW movie but in general I still remember when the teaser and all the other trailers came out it started the trend of reaction videos and it’s a very solid SW movie I’m curious how they would connect the new characters

[@TheKristianHarloff]

GREAT marketing!

[@jesseurena5153]

I think what would have made this film perfect would have been like a five minute scene where you get some world building explaining how weak the new republic is and doesn't have a real military and showing the people on the planet that gets blown up explaining that war is coming etc... and if kylo and rey ended in a draw

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Agreed

[@emmanuelandrew]

You guys forgot to mention the Mark Ellis cameo in the movie, “Tell that to Kanjiklub!”

[@TheKristianHarloff]

We did forget!

[@jimw966]

Heard this on the podcast and wanted to add in a comment. I wish you guys had spent more time enjoying and discussing this episode and less complaining about the sequels. The hype when this came out was real. How many teaser trailer reactions had people crying. JJ a setup all this stuff with Rey and Snoke and then bailed on it. He’s a great mystery box guy, but lousy on the follow through. Yes it was an homage to the OT, but had plenty of good stuff in its own. Luke was wasted at the end, but that was JJ’s choice. The crawl said Luke has vanished, so front the opening, that was the deal. Still enjoying these rewatches, but not really looking forward to The Last Jedi because I can see what’s coming after this one.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Sorry man, that is just where the conversation went!

[@Kenji-fm8kf]

Great show. This brings back the memories for sure. This is the only movie from the sequels that I actually own 🤣

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Thank you for watching!

[@jadensmith5926]

I'm excited to see where star wars can go. I want to know what star wars will feel like without all the familiar story beats and tie ins. That's why I'm looking forward to Acolyte. A time period that hasn't been visited on the screen.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Cannot wait for that one!

[@Major98]

I agree on a lot points made here. Finn is the most likeable character which makes him getting sidelined in the next two movies all the more disappointing. The first two acts of this film are the best two acts of the Sequel trilogy and still have major issues. I also really dislike Starkiller Base, it's the third Death Star and it's unnecessary. This film set up the trilogy to fail by repeating all the same story beats of A New Hope. It makes ROTJ meaningless. Side-note: I dislike JJ's Star Trek films for all the same reasons that Mike likes them hahaha. He turned Star Trek into a fast paced action flick. Those old shows like Next Generation and Deep Space Nine are much slower pace. A lot of the episodes were resolved through nonviolence. Love the discussion.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Yeah lots of hard core Trek fans don't like his version.

[@alexp601]

I actually think that the new republic getting blown up is in a similar vein to Alderaan being blown up. We only had characters reactions to know how to feel in both cases. And both moments were quickly brushed aside for the film story to continue. I think the original trilogy just gets some more lenience in this instance.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

I mean I gues.

[@user-oe9wu3ik5q]

On Disney+, does anyone know the rankings for most streamed to least streamed Star Wars movie? I've got a feeling TFA might be the the most well-liked movie in the series overall.

[@doomraven0]

By the by, Kristian, you were almost guilty of manslaughter. When you said, "You don't know Rainbow Brite? How dare you!" I choked on my drink so bad. Freaking hilarious.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Hahaha glad you dug it.

[@seangalvin3196]

JJ and Kasdan had some sort of plan. Clearly, Luke was protecting/hiding some sort of secret or evil and Smoke/Kylo were trying to find him and therefore whatever he was hiding. There was an obvious urgency by all the characters in Episode 7.

[@Mokkari77]

I don't understand fans who think the reason Luke went into hiding was some "important mission". Han said one of his students(later revealed fo be Ben, Luke's nephew) destroyed the temple and killed his students and then Luke went away. That's it. Even if you don't have the "tried to kill his nephew" part you still have Luke's own student, his nephew turning to the Dark Side and becoming Vader 2.0. You can't hate TLJ for making Luke a failure when TFA already did.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Wish they would have wrote out a full outline.

[@lookingforwookiecopilot]

@@Mokkari77 Not to mention Luke left R2 behind. That should have been a huge clue to his state of mind.

[@andrewbarnett152]

Thank you to Kristian, Steph and Mike for another compelling discussion. My take, by the by? I agree with much of the tone of the conversation, but I would disagree with Kristian's assement that it should have been the reveal of Luke seeing him catching that lighsaber flying through the air. To my mind, that's fannishness talking, not movie critique. To say 'the theater would have erupted', well, yeah.... only if that theater audience is composed entirely of middle-aged fanboys and nostalgia hounds.. To everyone else, it would have just looked like an unkempt old dude popping up out of nowhere, undercutting the drama and confusing the heck out of the general public..And entirely taking away the agency and moment of self-actualisatuon for the lead character that we've just spent the last two hours watching and rooting for. That plays better as Rey's big moment, all the way. Indulging in fannish dog whistles for their own sake is a game for amateurs. Just my view. Opinions, like the weather, may of course vary.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Well I was with you until the insulting comment of middle aged fanboys. Mark Hammil himself had said he wanted that moment. The moment itself could have fit the story but was it needed? No. Would had it been fun? Yeah. Could they done much more with Luke without that moment that was eventually wasted, yeah.

[@andrewbarnett152]

@@TheKristianHarloff Thank you, I do apologise if my comnent of 'middle-aged fanboys' came across as an insulting one, and please consider my medicine taken. I was simply trying to frame the story choices of the movie through a mainstream prism rather than a fannish one. This movie had $4 billion riding on it. It had to corral a new audience of families and newbies. To have Luke catch the lightsaber at the expense of Rey would have been preaching to the choir in my view. Once again, apologies if my comment was unpalatable and thank you for the fantastic content and insights.

[@bigalthetank]

I still love VII. It's still on the top tier with IV, V & R1 for me. I'm really interested for next week though, to hear why Riley thinks VIII is good. Try to remember all the points you brought up here and ask him to explain the Mary Poppins scene. Oh and the bomb scene doesn't make any sense to me either.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

There are tons of people who LOVE TLJ and think it fits Star Wars lore. I am not in that camp but there are many who do!

[@magicconchshell]

I would have been fine with it if it happend right as she was getting sucked out, but to wait whole scenes later was such a bad choice. As of now its my second to least favorite star wars film. Still dont hate it with a passion like some people do though. Just not a fan

[@bigalthetank]

@@magicconchshell I'm kind of in the same boat. It's definately bottom tier for me, if someone else likes it good for them, but I won't get fired up to argue about it. There's plenty more Star Wars for me to be happy with!

[@ZachBobBob]

I don't get why people are so hung up on the bombs falling in space? Tie bombers drop bombs in space in Empire Strikes back. Plus nothing in Star Wars has EVER made scientific sense why does that one bother people so much? AANNNDD in real life things actually DO fall in space if you're close enough to planet which they are in that scene.

[@lioneljacobs6874]

I think I read somewhere that Hayden Christensen & Rosario Dawson went to acting school together as teens.and did a movie together called Shattered Glass in 2003.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Yeah they are pals.

[@Vikkadinho]

I really liked this movie when it first came out. Saw it in the theatres 4 times and was caught up in all the hype/hysteria but the more I watched it the less I liked about it. There are so many problems with this movie that at the time were glossed over because I had faith and rose tinted glasses on and thought it was leading to something meaningful and well thought out. Unfortunately, that wasn't the case and now it's the best of a terrible trilogy and a glorified remake of the original movies all rolled into one film. It had potential but the lack of ideas became glaringly obvious the more I watched it. Starkiller Base is the dumbest thing they could've come up with...the rathtars scene seemed more akin to Star Trek and Kylo Ren losing to Ray in the end battle was just ridiculous no matter how anyone tries to justify it with the bow caster wound he received earlier. People blame Rian Johnson for killing Star Wars but I put the blame on JJ in regards to this trilogy who had two movies and still managed to balls them both up! This guy kills beloved franchises and it looks like Superman is his next victim!

[@TheKristianHarloff]

This is why the TV has more potential IMO

[@roninunchained]

I love The Force Awakens. Each film of the sequels has great elements and stuff that builds lore. A PLAN. That's my biggest critic of this trilogy. Having said that, I'm not losing any sleep. Take Starkiller base away and flip it, make the First Order on the run. Cpt. Phasma, the Knights of Ren and Snoke, break my hear to an extent. Hopefully in a animated series they can elevate the depth of those characters. Use the same actors, specially since they are Gwendoline Christie and Andy Serkis. Sequel Trilogy talks is a fascinating topic to go in depth and maybe make a (The Phantom Menace) type of documentary. Also I love Kristian's "Ay!" moment at minute 54:34. Hopefully what they did with TCW for the Prequels, they do that for the Sequels. Cheers SEN Channel!!

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Thank you for watching!

[@roninunchained]

@@TheKristianHarloff Thank You for the fandom & creativity!

[@vaporwave4880]

21:30 Kristian nails it. Excellent points.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Thank you!

[@pgonzo72]

I totally get what you mean about this film shows all the missed opportunities. To me rhe biggest missed opportunity is in Rise of Skywalker with Kylo Ren and his redemption. I hated that they did it but if you were gonna have someone talk to Kylo/Ben it should of been Anakin. Kylo had all this Vader worship and it would've been so much more powerful had Anakin appeared to him and tell him how he was wrong and that a redemption could be had. I was so bummed we never got an Anakin appearance in this trilogy. It could've tied it all together from the Original to the prequel to the sequel trilogy. So many missed opportunities in these films.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Totally agree

[@cwydler410]

Poe shoots Finn’s battle in that opening to give Finn that experience which leads to him deflecting.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Nice

[@boi905]

I wish they made Trevaro’s script the story was so good. Just needed some work

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Agreed

[@TheNeomaul]

JJ Abrams is a great director for beginning a franchise. Done it 3 times. TFA, Star Trek ‘09, M:I3 Love those 3 ❤️ Respect! Not so much as a closer.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Facts

[@curthagens]

Hell yeah! I love TFA

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Nice!

[@tashrif46]

23:07 Mission Impossible III is one of the most underrated action movies of all time. And Abrams' direction is great in it. But Forxe Awakens is a good movie when you view it from a stand-alone point of view. I think when I first viewed it, I felt it was too similar to New Hope. Probably thats why I love The Last Jedi because its such a departure.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

It is a good one!

[@trevorthornley8835]

Departure? It's the same plot as empire? Hoth battle, bad guys chasing good guys in space, and "teacher" and student. All of the same beats are there.

[@jonathanmthomas2728]

I remember watching Force Awakens when it first came out, thinking "you know what, this is actually kind of cool. I want to find out more about what we're being shown here" such as who is the random girl on a desert planet who was chosen? What happened to her family she was waiting for? Who is maz, how did she Luke's saber "a story, for another time". Who's Snoke, what's his motives? Who were those samurai looking guys in Rey's vision? I just remember thinking wow they're setting up a lot in the first film to be answered in the next two films. I felt cheated after Last Jedi. Kill Snoke? Seriously? After all the fan theories about possibly being Plageuis? And what they did with Hux, who was this awesome young general in the first film with so much anger, they made him a buffoon. I can go on. But it's clear there was no plan for the trilogy. So many things were reversed, retconned, or just ignored. I still to this day want to know what Rey saw in her vision at Maz castle. We'll never know

[@TheKristianHarloff]

The beauty of TV shows is that things can tie it together eventually

[@jacobpinchen7282]

Man I just binged all of these rewatches while at work. I agree that fin has a great arc in this movie. I would argue that ray shouldn’t have been the lead it should have been fin. Before anyone says, yes fin could have been a girl and he’s he or she still could have been black. There is something fascinating about fin escaping from the empire after being a storm trooper. It would have been refreshing to see a protagonist in the series not to be naturally strong with the force. Having a protagonist that’s heart is stronger than his force powers could go along way. He or she could have lost over and over again leading up to he or she being a Jedi in the last movie of the trilogy. This way you could keep kilo as the villain and make him way to strong for fin until the final movie of the trilogy and could still have learnt from Luke in the 8th film

[@urbanexcursion]

Ah...the hype leading up to The Force Awakens...what a great time that was. After my last rewatch I believe: 1. Finn also had an "awakening" and JJ probably planned for him to become a Jedi all along. 2. Rey coming from Palpatine enriches TFA, but it's hard to tell if Palpatine was part of the "plan". 3. Rey isn't a Mary Sue like a lot of the audience claims. She makes a lot of mistakes in this film, but quickly learns from them. As for flying the Falcon, I never had a problem with her doing that. She even tells Finn she had no idea how she made those crazy maneuvers on Jakku, so I just assumed the Force kinda took over for her. Like the PT, I have found the ST more enjoyable when I watch it without thinking about what they could have done. Some of the potential was wasted, but other potential can still come to fruition ie Finn becoming a Jedi. All I can do now is hope Lucasfilm has a plan for Episodes 10-12.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this!

[@chriscossin]

I feel like one thing that would’ve helped is replacing Hux with Allegiant General Pryde from IX

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Yeah

[@tlmarshall21]

Like you, I am an avid reader (well Audible Listener) of the new #StarWars Canon. Also like you, I was never one thinking having #Rey related to someone we knew already made the universe small. After all, it is called "The Skywalker Saga" for a reason. So hear me out, I wish they had made #Rey the daughter of #IdenVersio. I think you guys interviewed her model #JaninaGavankar back in the day on #JediCouncil. As you know #Versio was the leader of the Imperial #InfernoSquad and would later defect to the #RebelAlliance. That could have keep things in universe, but kept #Rey from being a #Palpatine, #Skywalker, or #Kenobi. Your thoughts?

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Could have been good as well!

[@pauly1232]

Personally, I'm a fan of both 7 and 8, but not 9. I completely get why people don't like 8 though and I respect your opinions on Finn. For me though, in 7 I don't think he ever really feels like he wants to be a part of the resistance. His whole motivation for going back after he was about to leave is his connection to Rey. So in 8 when he wakes up and just wants to find Rey, it works for me. As well as that, I then find his arc in 8 satisfying, because he fully learns to fight for something bigger and the nobility in the resistance. Just my opinion though, loving these rewatches!!!

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Totally get your points of view. That's the beauty of it, we don't have to agree but we can all discuss civil!

[@AlmostParadise_RK]

This movie is really depressing now because you know what happens after it. Watching Jedi Counsel and Movie Talk back then was such a blast because of how excited everyone was about what might happen in part 8. Snoke being Plagueis, Obi-Wan talking to Rey, giving Luke the lightsaber, the Knights of Ren, etc. It was so much fun to speculate and listen to those discussions. Sure, some people didn't care for the similarities to "A New Hope", but for the most part, everyone seemed to be happy. Then... it all turned to ash.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

I think the TV shows are helping with that!

[@AlmostParadise_RK]

@@TheKristianHarloff They definitely are. The Madalorian has been a breath of fresh air. I love how Favreau and Filoni have handled things. Too bad they weren't in charge of the sequel trilogy as well. I think it could've been really great.

[@High_Key]

Yeah I basically agree on the fact that TFA really isn't good or bad, just definitely bogged down by its sequels. I was pretty excited throughout the whole movie first time watching, and it wasn't only until the final act that I actually felt a bit of disappointment in the theater. Just thought Poe singlehandedly flying into the trench, then oscillator and destroying it seemed wayyyy too quick. There was like no build up to that at all...and then the R2 plot convenience was so out of place. TFA's in the middle of my tier list, but TLJ and TROS are both at the bottom.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Fair enough!

[@robertrhodes5816]

I enjoyed the conversation very much but I hard disagree with rise of Skywalker being a popcorn film. It was the last film I saw in theater pre pandemic and I felt it was waste of my money and time seeing it. I enjoyed last Jedi in theater and force awakens very much.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Yeah to me it is a fun watch, Ep 9 that is but with no substance and doesn't really make sense. 8 is pretty unwatchable for me.

[@robertrhodes5816]

@@TheKristianHarloff I respect your opinion and perspective on it whether I agree or disagree with it. I look forward to more sith council and these reviews. Thanks for content.

[@Ellipsis10]

I feel your frustration Kristan

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Just so much potential!