REWATCH: Star Wars Episode VII The Force Awakens The Sith Council:

[@lunat6952]

"Is Snoke actually Plagueis?" Man those were the days of Jedi Council. So much fun and wild speculation in 2015

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Right?!

[@sachaallari592]

They even had the bloody Plagus Theme in there! #fail

[@PerfectNormal]

John even confirmed it was Plagueis

[@mandofan2616]

Kristian's comment on the victory of ROTJ not mattering to the SW universe resonates today. 20 years later, the First Order comes back, just like Biden and Trump getting troops out of Afghanastan, handing victory back to the Taliban.

[@LeroySinclair69]

I remember a Jedi council ep right before the film came out where council had reported sources had told them Snoke was Plagueis

[@Averagejoe-wl9ym]

2014- December of 2015 was probably the happiest time of my life as far as being a SW fan. The hype from Schmoes, Collider, and all the movie websites was insane. The energy online was so positive and full of hope. We were lucky to have been united in our hope for SW to return to its rightful place as the most important movie franchise in the world. A fandom with any hate or division-what a lovely thought! TFA was a beautiful love letter to the OT. It hits you right in the heart when you watch it and makes you feel like a kid again. Unbelievably strong performances from everyone involved, incredible action sequences, and powerful emotional moments throughout. No matter how out of place the Rathtar scene feels, I still think this a perfect SW movie in terms of pacing and directing. I love this movie for reinvigorating my love for SW.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

I love this comment, so much positivity from it. Thank you.

[@metallicnole4514]

And yet it ended up being wasted potential because of the movies that followed it

[@carlossorto2099]

Man, I feel this comment, one hundred percent! Thank you 🙏🏾.

[@cruman87]

2014 up to the release of the The Last Jedi in 2017 was peak SW hype for me. Watching Movie Talk, Jedi Council, SK and many other videos, podcast about SW was fun. Coming up with and discussing theories about where SW could go. "Who is Rey?", "What happened between Luke and Kylo Ren?" "Is Snoke Darth Plagieus?" "Is Finn force sensitive?" Such a fun time. Hope we can get back there or close to it .

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Yup, but I think TV is serving that void now.

[@curthagens]

So good to have Mike back! All three of you bring unique perspectives and bounce off each other so well

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Thank you!

[@stan4242]

Love this show and the interaction and energy between Steph, Mike and you. I was very excited for this trilogy and all the new Star Wars content. I was disappointed, but at least they tried to expand the Star Wars universe. It could have been great. I am very glad Disney seems to be on the right course imo with The Mandalorian and the upcoming shows.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Good points!

[@mandofan2616]

For the future, maybe move Mike's mic away from the front and to the side because the camera is focus hunting between him and the mic in foreground. Thanks

[@trevorthornley8835]

Tried to expand? No the prequels expanded. These movies had no world building at all

[@stan4242]

@@trevorthornley8835 I mean that at least they tried to put together a new trilogy and move past the events of RotJ. I would always want to have more Star Wars movies and content than rely on the two trilogies. So I was very excited, but the execution was very flawed imo. But I do still prefer it to for instance Rogue One. I think it was a waste to focus a whole movie on getting the death star plans, rather than develop some new story.

[@seandconway]

Awesome discussion Sith Council! I absolutely love the sequel trilogy myself and I get so much out of them but I always enjoy hearing a different opinion. Thank you guys for keeping it fun even if this trilogy didn't work for you all. I don't know if it's possible but it would be awesome if you could get Joseph Scrimshaw and Ken Napzok on the Rise of Skywalker re-watch episode, I would love to hear that discussion @ForceCenter! Thanks for all you guys do and can't wait to hear the council talk more Star Wars! May the Force be with You!

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Thank you Sean!

[@MrGeoff-iv6re]

I also love the entire sequel trilogy. It’s awesome to see someone else that appreciates them and is a fellow Force Center fan! I agree it would be great to see Scrimshaw and Napzok on here!

[@seandconway]

@@MrGeoff-iv6re So happy to hear that you also like them. Hopefully more appreciation for them will grow in the future! I would love to see a Force Center and Sith Council cross over. I've always wanted to see Kristian and Joseph talk Star Wars.

[@dandaman2323]

Kristian I really enjoyed your series of videos where you deep dived into the Disney era Star Wars movies 🍿 Would love to see you do this with other franchises or movies like Man of Steel or the Abrams Star Trek movies 🙌🏻🔥

[@boi905]

Finn and Rey are like plutonic soulmates. I never thought they should be together romantically, but they are really really good close friends

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Yeah better as pals

[@lankanainen]

Platonic* ✌🏻

[@dawn_bestofj2]

Loved this episode! I couldn't agree with you more, Kristian. I loved this movie when it first came out but watching it the other night some of the shine was taken out of this movie for me because of what you said - you see all of the setup that was just ignored. I still like this movie a lot but it's sad knowing that they botched up the rest of the trilogy (in my humble opinion). There are a couple of things I never liked about this film - I didn't like that Han & Leia were split up. I hated that aspect of the film since they were my OTP since I was 7 years old. I wish we'd gotten to see Luke, Han & Leia all together on screen one last time. I don't know how they thought not putting the big three together was a good idea. I thought they did a good job of making me connect to Rey, Finn, and Poe. I came out of the movie loving the new big 3. The score was amazing as always. I especially liked Rey's theme, Kylo's theme and the Jedi Steps/Finale. Han Solo had great moments as did Chewle. It broke my heart when Han died even though I expected it to happen. It's really a shame that they didn't have some sort of outline for the entire trilogy. So much potential wasted. I'd love to read George's script for this movie. Next week will be rough since I'm not a "Last Jedi" fan but I will rewatch it for the sake of this rewatch series.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Yeah it is going to be an interesting episode to say the least.

[@chrisolivo6591]

Not having Han, Luke and Leia reunited in Episode 7 is one of the most head scratching decisions in the history of movies. 3 iconic characters brought back on screen for the first time in 32 years and not one scene together?

[@PerfectNormal]

What a great conversation? That was and easy listen. Bravo guys 👏🏼nice way to start my Saturday morning.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@emilnikolov_96]

I freaking adore this movie . Love it so much and I just pretend 8 and 9 didn’t happen so I don’t get upset . You guys are so right, It set up everything so well and it went absolutely nowhere.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Yeah that is the biggest issue with this film.

[@vaporwave4880]

It set nothing up.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

@@vaporwave4880 It’s set a lot up, just didn’t deliver on anything

[@vaporwave4880]

@@TheKristianHarloff What I mean is there was no world-building. No explanation for the first order, no explanation for the ‘resistance’ or where the republic was. It didn’t feel like they established anything for the next two films to build on (unlike, say, Fellowship of the Ring, Phantom Menace, or Dune). It guess you could say it created a few mysteries eg who is snoke, who are Reys parents etc but I wouldnt call that set up. TFA was an enjoyable experience, but it coasted along on familiar tropes and repetition.

[@magicconchshell]

@@vaporwave4880 as much as i love this film, i agree the begining set up wasnt very good. Youd have to read Bloodline in order to understand the state of the galaxy and the relationship between the republic, the resistance, and the first order. Im hoping the shows coming out will help lead into it and explain things better, like what clone wars did for the prequels.

[@ThisIsNoConcept]

If Colin trevorrow made his episode ix, the overall feeling of the sequel trilogy would’ve been more positive imo

[@Thisisgood99]

If it’s the script with Kylo messing with the power to create life or whatever, then yeah I wish we would’ve seen that.

[@tomdevinney7280]

Easily! Force awakens showed so much promise, last Jedi took some odd turns but would’ve paid off great if rise of Skywalker didn’t try to retcon everything

[@NZealand]

Fuck yeah, that would’ve paid off the whole trilogy. That would’ve been the perfect third film for this trilogy.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Agreed

[@333AndMan]

If that were the case I actually think people would come around from The Last Jedi knowing how EP 9 would pay off the trilogy

[@NisGaarde]

Totally with Kristian. I liked the movie well enough when it came out. It was promising. It did feel very surface-level and a whole lot of setup and foreshadowing. Unfortunately it never really went anywhere. And after watching the whole sequel trilogy I can't help but to feel little manipulated as a fan. Disney treated Star Wars first and foremost a product to be pushed to the consumer as fast as possible. Nevermind telling a cohesive story. Which ultimately makes The Force Awakens feel a little speculative. It has all the markers. A desert planet, The Millennium Falcon, a lightsaber, a substitute Luke, a substitute Yoda, a substitute Darth Vader, Death Star, Emperor, etc. All of that means nothing if you don't have a good story and relatable characters, preferably with interesting arcs. I'm happy for everyone who got that out of the sequels. Sadly I didn't.

[@jesserodgers5625]

Beautifully said.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Hard to argue with this. Goes back to the same quote I have been repeating on a loop: "It is about making something that was an homage to the stuff that inspired Star Wars, not an homage to Star Wars itself."

[@magicconchshell]

Yeah. There are things i love about each film seperatly, but when i look at them as a whole, it really did fail as a trilogy.

[@jesserodgers5625]

Before all else - before a plan, before passion, before research, before whether or not the people behind the sequel trilogy knew or loved Star Wars (Im not convinced JJ or Rian or ANYONE gave a hoot about SW beyond "Empire." Is the name Anakin mentioned ONCE in the sequel trilogy?), the failure of this trilogy was in its inspiration. George Lucas had a story to tell. Divine inspiration. Disney had an investment to recuperate. Purely, solely economic inspiration. The failure of the sequel trilogy is that NO one was divinely inspired to tell it.

[@doomraven0]

JJ used to be awesome but he also gave up on great stories long before the end because he just likes to start things and sucks at finishing them. Alias, Lost, Fringe, Star Trek. He does love Star Wars but all he was inspired to do was blast everyone with nostalgia. RJ also loves Star Wars, he has talked obsessively about it in all of his films' commentaries and many interviews. He is also a great writer/director. He likes to tell interesting, unique stories. Had he had an entire trilogy to himself, it would have been great. Having two such different visions screwed this series over. Whatever some people might say, Kathleen Kennedy is a wretched human being and should have been fired a decade ago, regardless of her past success. There are good elements in the ST but what a mess.

[@CoreyHart13]

I've said this b4 I'm sure, but I still go back and watch the collab Kristian did with Mr.Sunday Movies back at the start if the Star Wars relaunch. Weekly Planet and Mr.Sunday are one of my fave Channels on YT as was Cplloder at the time. So getting to see that collab was a dream come true. My point I guess is that it was such a magical time, that I can still revisit it through those old jedi council episodes. By the time RLM was goofing on the theme park thing I had already lost my enthusiasm so to be honest ti never got the joke until Kristian goofed on himself for it hahahahaha what a saga. Love the emotion of the channel been really finding your stride and building a commrodarry with the audience. We know what type of content to expect, whose typically going to appear and the vibe. It seems you really took fans advice and kept movie and pop culture news/talk as the DNA and threw in your ambitions of a fun morning radio shoot the shit type vibe on top. Which imo is Kristians overall appeal. Always comes with ambition and passion and can have a sense of humour about himself. That's why people like him and schnepp worked so well juxtapositioned with a serious less fun, but equally entertaining Campea way back when. Anyway keep killing it, this channel has become one I get excited for and check daily. I'm slowly being introduced to people I'm less familiar with as well, like Steph or Kate. I'm old-school and know and love Napzok, Riley, Ellis, Roxy, McCuga etc...but by the time collider live was the focus I mostly fell off and only tuned in when a certain group of recognizable faces popped up. I know you appreciate feedback like this so I'm letting my novel length comment fly 😂 take care folks thanks for the entertainment Kristian ✌❤

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Thank you so much for this comment. So happy you are enjoying the new content. I have been pretty clear on it, this is the most fun I have done doing this and easily my favorite show that I have worked on.

[@CoreyHart13]

@@TheKristianHarloff it shows dude. For real. Your a pretty easy read which imo only speaks to your authenticity, but it's evident that you feel ci finest and more relaxed lately. It'd be tough as hell constantly having to have success and then rebuild it from ground up. You being relaxed and joyous translates to the audience for sure 👍

[@tomdevinney7280]

No matter how downhill the movies went after this, force awakens is still one of my favorite Star Wars movies w the amount of potential it brought to the universe

[@Averagejoe-wl9ym]

I remember the old Schmoes Knows Movie Show Days when we would all dish on TFA casting news and plot details. The hype was real and the movie lived up to it

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Yeah it is a blast to watch.

[@thenu9960]

I was 7 years old when A New Hope came out and my fascination and happiness knew no bounds. When I saw The Force Awakens, I was that 7 year old girl all over again. Pure joy.

[@thenu9960]

Also, thank you for this rewatch. Star Wars always reminds me of some of the happiest moments of my childhood.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

That feeling was there for me as well.

[@wiz3404]

This was actually my introduction to the Star Wars universe and consequently Collider and later Schmoedown. I instantly fell in love with all of it and went in rabbit holes of all the lore and details. The excitement for Star Wars and Marvel was through the roof, it was a glorious time. I doubt we will get the same amount of hype any time soon. Such a shame how it was handled, I cant even imagine how frustrating it must be for fans who were there from the beginning feel it going down the drain. I haven't gotten around to watching the ep 8 & 9 videos but I know it will be fun!

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Thank you and yes we had a blast doing these! Thank you for joining us!

[@lexis4490]

Force Awakens had such a great setup for having multiple Jedi and Sith. Rey could of have been a form student that Luke Skywalker hid away. The Knights of Ren could of been former students that he was boys/ friends with. Snoke could of been one of the trainers who turned bad. It would of shown Luke Skywalker was doing something during that time period.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

100 percent! "What girl?"

[@meghan3009]

Are you guys planning on doing any Star Wars show deep dive- Clone Wars, Rebels, Mandalorian? Would love to see it!

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Mandalorian is likely as we gear up for Season 3

[@jacobpinchen7282]

Also heartbreaking to watch these after seeing boba and kenobi. We were all so excited 😅

[@trevorthornley8835]

There's no reason to be excited anymore

[@Ruleof2Review]

The politics in Phantom Menace and the PT are SO good. People get that wrong all the time. Disney clearly didn’t understand Star Wars.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

You give too much credit to Disney. Lucasfilm was still asking the creative choices in SW on what was explored and what wasn't. Disney still in charge and Mando gets it.

[@Ruleof2Review]

@@TheKristianHarloff I see what you’re saying. LF was just as in charge if not more-so than Disney. I guess should reword my feelings moving forward from analyzing “Disney” Star Wars to analyzing “post-George Lucas” Star Wars. Truly I think *that’s* the missing piece. And of course I’m talking about on film for the most part. 😉

[@OLDTIME47]

6 yrs later..... still pissed Luke wasn't 😤 in it. No hero scenes, no force kick butt powers display, so sad.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Agreed

[@Binny2014]

The biggest unanswered question in TFA in my opinion was how Rey (the most powerful force user in the galaxy), the map to Luke (in BB-8), and the Falcon (then Han) became intersected. Was looking forward to learning how 3 things of such galactic importance were connected and how they happened to all be in the same system, on the same planet, in the same region, in the same neighborhood. Even Finn and Poe happened to crash (from space) to within walking distance of the same area...

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Yeah, TBH it is why I look forward to the TV shows more.

[@matthewsloan7400]

You made a great point in how the movie has changed knowing what happens with the rest of the trilogy. I am someone who loves the last jedi but it has its issues for me. Like canto bight and I don't like that fin recovered from the injury so quick given that the movie started right after the force awakens. Which is another issue I have. Love to know your thoughts on the next episode. Keep up the great work.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Thanks Matt!!

[@jasono.1629]

I love you guys revisited E7 to discuss it now years later. It had some of the magic of the original trilogy to me. The rumor I heard back then as I’m sure many others speculated on was that Snoke was the old guy in black robes who was Vader’s assistant in Rogue One on Mustafar, when Director Krennic came to visit.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Should have been connected

[@rodneylaborde1550]

Loved the episode, keep it up. Finn never joined the resistance by the end of this movie. He literally lied to Leia and put anyone who was actually in the resistance at risk just to be able to get on starkiller base to save Rey. He fights kylo because what the hell else is he gonna do just give up? Last jedi was needed for him to realize he believes in the cause, just my opinion though 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Thank you. Yeah big difference of opinion with Finn but love hearing the perspective!

[@BlankGreenCanvas]

John Boyega doesn’t get enough praise for his performance in this movie. Loved him in Attack the Block and he was instantly my favorite character in TFA. Hope you guys discuss his real-life sentiment on how his role got diminished and discuss the rumored standalone Finn series that I’m sure he’d crush in if he were given the chance.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Oh yeah we will for sure.

[@BlankGreenCanvas]

@@TheKristianHarloff he’s a really brilliant actor. Of all the actors of the new trilogy his upcoming films are the ones I’m most excited for. Attack the Block 2 is going to slap!

[@starwarsrevealed2046]

Great video guys. It's always better with three! ...its a shame JJ turned down eps 8 imagine how much more meaningful Finns overall arc would have been. Next week should be very intresting...

[@TheKristianHarloff]

There should have been a full treatment for the whole trilogy.

[@caigecrampshee3709]

Thanks for this show guys. Really look forward to these Friday reviews. Can't tell you how much I appreciate it.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Glad you like them! Thank you!

[@briangoins3386]

Remember the days of the star wars draft and Far far away ? Good times back then. I'd love to listen to that draft episode again.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Yeah that was a blast!

[@OLDTIME47]

The best line..... from Mike..... "the force went to bed" lol 😆

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Haha

[@gokinsmen]

Even without a plan, the ST could have been great. Right after TFA came out, I saw a dozen fan theories that were waaay better than what we got in Ep8 and 9. They tripped over themselves trying to "outsmart" the fans. If Snoke was Plagueis, Rey was a Kenobi and Finn was Force-sensitive, I guarantee the ST would have been received 10X better.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

This is a GREAT point. They definitely tried and went out of their way yo outsmart fans.

[@randalthekidd7006]

Rey was Mary sued at that point and Kylo was kind of a bitch no matter how you excuse with his injuries he lost to someone on their first day. The only way to really reset the stakes are by having snoke be plagueis and kylo have like a force block imposed by luke that limits his power which would show more subtlety how afraid Luke should be it makes it so tfa kylo was an unreleased state AND had doubts which would explain a huge power jump the next movie. The block would also prep the ways luke overstepped with kylo specifically in his order. Then just write a better Luke story where he isn’t just hiding and sad and build from there. It could be done but making kylo an actual villain and just sort of having rey train a bunch and not be op could have possibly saved it.

[@trevorthornley8835]

They focused too much on stupid pointless identity politics instead of story

[@AustinTylerProductions]

I was 16 when TFA came out and I remember tuning in religiously to Jedi Council. I attribute Kristian to a lot of my love of Star Wars. Really good times.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Well thank you! Hopefully you are enjoying Sith!

[@Mokkari77]

I cried in the theater seeing Han and Leia's reunion. That said, fans were so happy to see them again that they missed the implication that if Kylo Ren was their son then that means they weren't great parents! They seriously messed up there! Also if Luke was Kylo's teacher then he dropped the ball there too! In the two years to The Last Jedi nobody made the connection that Luke who had gotten Darth freaking Vader to turn away from the Dark Side was unable to keep his nephew(who he presumably had known a lot longer from turning towards the Dark Side?

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Originally, I accepted the fact that the big 3 never reunited but I think it was a big error.

[@kins1894]

56:52 Man I remembered you reviewing TLJ on jedi council still figuring out how you feel, and saying you liked it more on 1st rewatch then some times later on SEN live listening to you talk about how you hated the movie. I always wondered and asking myself "man what happened right there???" Now I have the answer. 😀

[@TheKristianHarloff]

It is just one of those movies that gets worse and worse every time.

[@Spideymrw]

I just really wished they could have figured out a way to get the big 3 together for at least one scene.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Agreed.

[@StanvilleBrown]

Just imagine if Dave Filoni and Jon Favreau made the sequel trilogy! 😌

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Facts

[@NZealand]

Fuck yes! They should’ve given Dave the story lead job for this.

[@StanvilleBrown]

@@NZealand if only friend! 😏

[@andrewbarnett152]

No. At least not for me. Jon Favreau is a medicore director and Dave Filoni isn't even a proven one outside of Star Wars fandom. Star Wars fans tend to ignore the real duds on Jon Favreau's resume because they see their own fannishness reflected back in him ('he just gets it!'). Favreau hasn't made a live action film in the studio system that hasn't been made under controlled conditions since Cowboys & Aliens ran into trouble a decade ago. And don't forget that Harrison Ford might be less than keen to work with him again after that movie laid an egg. But Harrison Ford was a strong supporter of JJ Abrams going back even to Regarding Henry, and it's been plausibly suggested that Kathy Kennedy was determined to get a director that Harrison Ford already knew and respected as a sweetener for him to reprise a role that he was always ambivalent at best about. And the obvious one - Spielberg- wasn't on the table. Favreau's last five films as a director: Iron Man 2, Cowboys & Aliens, Chef, The Jungle Book, The Lion King..At best two decent movies out of five. Him doing the sequel trilogy may well have ended up as a case of 'beware what you wish for'. Besides, if Favreau had ended up doing the sequel trilogy then The Mandalorian would almost certainly not have happened.

[@StanvilleBrown]

@@andrewbarnett152 well... you not wrong. But if Jon or Dave was writing the sequel trilogy the shit storm that was the Last Jedi fallout would have never happened! Please don't even get be fucking started on the Rise of Skywalker. It's lazy writing rival The Game of Thrones finale!

[@LP3Customs]

What they did to the original trio was just dirty. They obviously turned Luke into a loser (which was made worse in VIII), but they even made Han abandon his family and go back to his criminal ways. And Leia is in the same position she was in at the end of VI

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Yeah kind of disregarded original arcs

[@hito157]

Oh man, I saw this one in theaters, this brought back the excitement for Star Wars for me in a big way! Great talk.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Thank you Hito!

[@Halderic]

This film was a great setup that the other two films on a narrative level couldn't pay off. The only thing I don't like about it is Starkiller base plot line and subsequent space battle. Sure, it looked great but added nothing new to the story. Still, by far the best of the new trilogy.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Agree with all of that.

[@bigideas3]

Did any of your shows in the past discuss the Force Awakens toy character, Sarco Plank? The design is so cool, I wish they would do something with it. I read the short book where he deals with Luke, but have already forgotten what happened. I think Plank and Constable Zuvio were in scenes on Jakku, but for some reason they keep guarded exactly what happened with them, unless it has totally eluded me.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Hmm I don't think we covered him

[@jdashy23]

I appreciate you guys doing this. Although I’m a massive fan of all Star Wars and love the sequels I appreciate your honesty and thoughts

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Thank you Jason!!

[@ryancraig6675]

51:40 *To cheat death is a power only one has achieved but if we work together, I am certain we can discover the secret* . -Palpatine to Anakin in ROTS. Palpatine lied. He hadn't figured it all out at the time and which made it easy to buy the cloning and sith practices explanation.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Fair

[@Mateocabrera2389]

I wanted you guys to talk about Hayden in Ahsoka 😞

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Watch the end of the video.

[@nickalexander7618]

I agree that some of 7 is more disappointing now that we have 9 but I do still enjoy both in different ways. Would it be a good opportunity to start a flashback scene in Obi Wan, with Anikan, Obi, and Ahsoka, and have it end on a cliffhanger then have the flashback story concluded on Ashoka?

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Yeah would love to see how the flashbacks are going to play!

[@emmanuelandrew]

You guys forgot to mention the Mark Ellis cameo in the movie, “Tell that to Kanjiklub!”

[@TheKristianHarloff]

We did forget!

[@ThePlaceToBe_RK]

This movie is really depressing now because you know what happens after it. Watching Jedi Counsel and Movie Talk back then was such a blast because of how excited everyone was about what might happen in part 8. Snoke being Plagueis, Obi-Wan talking to Rey, giving Luke the lightsaber, the Knights of Ren, etc. It was so much fun to speculate and listen to those discussions. Sure, some people didn't care for the similarities to "A New Hope", but for the most part, everyone seemed to be happy. Then... it all turned to ash.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

I think the TV shows are helping with that!

[@ThePlaceToBe_RK]

@@TheKristianHarloff They definitely are. The Madalorian has been a breath of fresh air. I love how Favreau and Filoni have handled things. Too bad they weren't in charge of the sequel trilogy as well. I think it could've been really great.

[@cwydler410]

Poe shoots Finn’s battle in that opening to give Finn that experience which leads to him deflecting.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Nice

[@DamianEve]

Thank you for all of the time and energy you have been putting into these Star Wars and Spider-Man rewatches. For both, it has been fantastic to hear multiple voices and their individual perspectives, plus learning something new along the way. I love that when I don’t agree with an angle/opinion, I get to hear their perspective and understand where they are coming from. I wanted to ask if you were planning on doing a Mandalorian rewatch as well? Maybe do a a video on each season, instead of episode per episode rewatches?

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Thank you! Matrix is next!

[@SlappyMcSlappster]

@@TheKristianHarloff is it possible for a batman rewatch for flashpoint later next year?

[@Julian.Simmons]

We have a good time with this one; love the one on one humour the movie has: BB8 giving the thumbs up to Finn, and Solo telling Finn that "women always find out, always" 😅

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Great parts for sure.

[@Jjj-zz7bz]

I hate Episode 9 but I gotta admit JJ did a good job with the humor in both of his movies

[@PradeepThirunavukarasu]

On Disney+, does anyone know the rankings for most streamed to least streamed Star Wars movie? I've got a feeling TFA might be the the most well-liked movie in the series overall.

[@ttrain45]

The whole C3PO red arm thing was addressed in a comic. I can't remember if it was released before the movie or after. I still don't know why they even bothered changing his arm in the first place. Oh wait, Mel Brooks said it best in Spaceballs, "Merchandising! Merchandising!"

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Yeah comic shomic, no one remembers haha

[@OLDTIME47]

Had to watch this again.... mike - " why do we keep getting orders?" LOL

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Haha

[@bendavis287]

I know it’s not popular, but I love 7, 8, and 9. Enjoyed listening to your guys thoughts!

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Hey who cares whats popular? All that is important is that you enjoy it!

[@atlasofthemoon2485]

Cant wait to hear Rileys thoughts on The Last Jedi, because its my favorite of the new trilogy.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Going to be a different voice for sure!

[@ZachBobBob]

I already feel bad for Reilly. Imagine being in a room with three people that hate a thing you love

[@OLDTIME47]

You know what I do often, I watch the old 2014 jedi councils and even the old toad hop streams to rewatch the excitement of Harloff and others when Disney bought it from George. All the want and hope and great thoughts by Harloff and then fast forward and we all get let down.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Well don't fast forward to far Jack because you will land on me excited for Mandalorian, Obi-Wan-Boba on Disney +

[@OLDTIME47]

@@TheKristianHarloff for sure, can't wait, staying on target.

[@chrisolivo6591]

2014-16 was a great time to be a Star Wars fan as it was the only time since 1983 that the majority of fanbase was positive towards the direction of the franchise. The speculation before and after The Force Awakens was so fun and Collider was a big part of that. Then The Last Jedi came out and it was the Prequels all over again with the fanbase. My metaphor is Luke throwing the lightsaber is like Disney throwing away all the good will they built up over 3 years.

[@pgonzo72]

I totally get what you mean about this film shows all the missed opportunities. To me rhe biggest missed opportunity is in Rise of Skywalker with Kylo Ren and his redemption. I hated that they did it but if you were gonna have someone talk to Kylo/Ben it should of been Anakin. Kylo had all this Vader worship and it would've been so much more powerful had Anakin appeared to him and tell him how he was wrong and that a redemption could be had. I was so bummed we never got an Anakin appearance in this trilogy. It could've tied it all together from the Original to the prequel to the sequel trilogy. So many missed opportunities in these films.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Totally agree

[@npiccolo96]

Kristian I agree with you 100% about The Force Awakens! I love it but at the same time it’s disappointing because of what comes after. I saw it in the theaters 4 times and I was happy that Star Wars was back. Despite the similarities to A New Hope, which I didn’t mind, I still had a a lot of fun watching it. Really enjoying the rewatches and hopefully more is to come!

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Yeah, you just get so much optimism on what is to come and it all just is a wet fart afterthat.

[@jesseurena5153]

I think what would have made this film perfect would have been like a five minute scene where you get some world building explaining how weak the new republic is and doesn't have a real military and showing the people on the planet that gets blown up explaining that war is coming etc... and if kylo and rey ended in a draw

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Agreed

[@LancetheLibrary]

I'm completely on the same page with Kristian. It's my favorite of the Sequel Trilogy, I still enjoy watching it, and I have GREAT memories of seeing it for the first time in theaters with friends...but I like it so much less when I look at it as part of the trilogy considered the squandered potential. If I view it as a one-off or a stand-alone, I like it, even though I understand the complaint that it is too close to the OT. I also Kool-Aided myself on TLJ (and TROS), but more on that on that video once I watch it haha.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Haha, thank you!

[@ValdezN83]

I feel like episode seven should of been those flashbacks we got in episode 8 with luke and Ben solo and the Jedi academy , and Ben killing everyone at the end , then episode 8 could of been the force awakens with some retooling of the script

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Yup

[@lioneljacobs6874]

I think I read somewhere that Hayden Christensen & Rosario Dawson went to acting school together as teens.and did a movie together called Shattered Glass in 2003.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Yeah they are pals.

[@boi905]

I wish they made Trevaro’s script the story was so good. Just needed some work

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Agreed

[@christopherbrickner5181]

I think one problem was how you kept saying how it reminded you of the ot trilogy. In that they forgot about fans of the prequels and kind of left them out in the cold saying your star wars isn't real star wars.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

I mean for sure.

[@ZackLSUOregon]

Great show guys!! Force Awakens is my favorite Star Wars film, I cannot possibly love it more than I do. It is in my top 5 films I have ever seen and I am not sorry about it 😂

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Nor should you be! Appreciate the honesty!

[@BigBadMadDog.]

I'm in the same boat as you with this one Kristian. I remember watching you in the JC days when TFA first came out and having the same reaction as you. The film left me so intrigued about where 8&9 would go but now that they've come out, its tainted my opinion on this one. My memory of watching it during the midnight screening is my favorite thing about it.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

I am all about TV now, just way more time to develop and not cram like these did.

[@randalthekidd7006]

@@TheKristianHarloff I think movies can be good if it’s like the pinnacle event of something. With streaming everything is in one place so it’s not as confusing to general consumers but i could see 5 years of Thrawn set up for a huge event which then happens in a higher budget 2hr movie to really give it weight.

[@OzzyIyzzO]

I love this movie, but I always found it funny how the last part of the map to Luke was the last small piece of a map with everything around it figured out. Why couldn’t whatever space company who was making the maps go in that section? Space is huge, but they have lightspeed! They could’ve figured it out.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Yup.

[@vaporwave4880]

21:30 Kristian nails it. Excellent points.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Thank you!

[@andrewbarnett152]

Thank you to Kristian, Steph and Mike for another compelling discussion. My take, by the by? I agree with much of the tone of the conversation, but I would disagree with Kristian's assement that it should have been the reveal of Luke seeing him catching that lighsaber flying through the air. To my mind, that's fannishness talking, not movie critique. To say 'the theater would have erupted', well, yeah.... only if that theater audience is composed entirely of middle-aged fanboys and nostalgia hounds.. To everyone else, it would have just looked like an unkempt old dude popping up out of nowhere, undercutting the drama and confusing the heck out of the general public..And entirely taking away the agency and moment of self-actualisatuon for the lead character that we've just spent the last two hours watching and rooting for. That plays better as Rey's big moment, all the way. Indulging in fannish dog whistles for their own sake is a game for amateurs. Just my view. Opinions, like the weather, may of course vary.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Well I was with you until the insulting comment of middle aged fanboys. Mark Hammil himself had said he wanted that moment. The moment itself could have fit the story but was it needed? No. Would had it been fun? Yeah. Could they done much more with Luke without that moment that was eventually wasted, yeah.

[@andrewbarnett152]

@@TheKristianHarloff Thank you, I do apologise if my comnent of 'middle-aged fanboys' came across as an insulting one, and please consider my medicine taken. I was simply trying to frame the story choices of the movie through a mainstream prism rather than a fannish one. This movie had $4 billion riding on it. It had to corral a new audience of families and newbies. To have Luke catch the lightsaber at the expense of Rey would have been preaching to the choir in my view. Once again, apologies if my comment was unpalatable and thank you for the fantastic content and insights.

[@TheNeomaul]

Remember they fired Colin Trevorrow BEFORE The Last Jedi ever came out. I believe they just didn’t like his script and needed to make a change fast (due to release schedule for 9) and went back to JJ. It wasn’t because of the hatred for 8 because there wasn’t any at that time. Think they announced letting him go around September 2017 and TLJ came out over 3 months later.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

The movie was already finished though and he went off the two previous movies. The only one who actually continued what was put in front of him.

[@TheNeomaul]

@@TheKristianHarloff yah I got that part. Just talking about the fans response to TLJ. I don’t think Disney/LFL changed directors because of that. At that time or whenever they actually decided to fire him, there was no backlash to TLJ. Remember also in 2017 before TLJ came out, they gave Rian his own trilogy to make.

[@roninunchained]

I love The Force Awakens. Each film of the sequels has great elements and stuff that builds lore. A PLAN. That's my biggest critic of this trilogy. Having said that, I'm not losing any sleep. Take Starkiller base away and flip it, make the First Order on the run. Cpt. Phasma, the Knights of Ren and Snoke, break my hear to an extent. Hopefully in a animated series they can elevate the depth of those characters. Use the same actors, specially since they are Gwendoline Christie and Andy Serkis. Sequel Trilogy talks is a fascinating topic to go in depth and maybe make a (The Phantom Menace) type of documentary. Also I love Kristian's "Ay!" moment at minute 54:34. Hopefully what they did with TCW for the Prequels, they do that for the Sequels. Cheers SEN Channel!!

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Thank you for watching!

[@roninunchained]

@@TheKristianHarloff Thank You for the fandom & creativity!

[@Iam2flycam]

The scene where Rey "fixes" the Millenium Falcons Hyperdrive and we see she actually knows the ship better than Han Freaking Solo was my tipping point.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Hey fair enough.

[@metallicnole4514]

I still find rey a Mary Sue. Nothing against daisy ridley. Her performance is good, but just not a well written character.

[@doomraven0]

By the by, Kristian, you were almost guilty of manslaughter. When you said, "You don't know Rainbow Brite? How dare you!" I choked on my drink so bad. Freaking hilarious.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Hahaha glad you dug it.

[@seangalvin3196]

JJ and Kasdan had some sort of plan. Clearly, Luke was protecting/hiding some sort of secret or evil and Smoke/Kylo were trying to find him and therefore whatever he was hiding. There was an obvious urgency by all the characters in Episode 7.

[@Mokkari77]

I don't understand fans who think the reason Luke went into hiding was some "important mission". Han said one of his students(later revealed fo be Ben, Luke's nephew) destroyed the temple and killed his students and then Luke went away. That's it. Even if you don't have the "tried to kill his nephew" part you still have Luke's own student, his nephew turning to the Dark Side and becoming Vader 2.0. You can't hate TLJ for making Luke a failure when TFA already did.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Wish they would have wrote out a full outline.

[@lookingforwookiecopilot]

@@Mokkari77 Not to mention Luke left R2 behind. That should have been a huge clue to his state of mind.

[@OLDTIME47]

Be good to do a Mando show and recover the first 2 seasons before season 3 comes out, and do one for Bobester when his comes out and the possibilities there...

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Yes we are going to do full episode reviews of Boba and once Mando gets close, we will do rewatch of Seasons 1 and 2.

[@crestonchi5427]

Finn Skywalker and Hero of the New Republic, Rey Kryze is a Kenobi/Mandalorian Jedi Princess and Ben Solo's Adventures of Redemption Those the Arcs that we should have gotten by the end of the sequel trilogy. Disney could have made 3 separate trilogies/Series just on those three characters.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

So much they could have done to tie it into the overall lore of the films.

[@crestonchi5427]

@@TheKristianHarloff the sequels are just lazy and shortsighted and we all expected more from everyone involved. Heck they could have cribbed the entire plot of Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales and reskinned every character "star wars" and it would have been better.

[@geraintthompson5200]

Did the Rian Johnson ignore the force awakens more or did J J ignore The Last Jedi more ?

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Equal.

[@geraintthompson5200]

@@TheKristianHarloff I agree, would personally love to give them both a slap for not putting their heads together . . . But hey ho life goes on 😤👍

[@jcc9erz]

I really love force awakens. It makes me happy. But I get so bumbed when it’s over and I know what last Jedi does and how tros finishes. I get let down all over again. For a minute while watching Luke I’m in wonder 💭 WHAT IF

[@gabagool9074]

Besides the obvious issue that they did not have a plan for the whole trilogy, I think the biggest issue of the whole trilogy was just a lack of creativity and risk taking. I really feel that George's vision was needed, or someone like a George. What I mean by this: 1. Let's start with the overall filming style. Everybody loves that they ditched the CGI from the prequels and made it practical effects. The way I see, and the way George probably sees it, for the original trilogy, they really pushed the limit of what was possible for the effects at the time. And the same was done for the prequels, that CGI was insane for the time. This new trilogy did not have to be insane CGI, but I feel like they did not try to push themselves to create any type of special effects or visually stunning shots that are memorable. They made these movies way too quickly. 2. Even if you had zero problems with my point above and loved the practical effects, I did love them too to use as a nice base. There was seemingly no new environments, no new ships, not that many new and creative species (Maz was an exception.) I did not feel any type of childhood wonder put into these films (the last jedi was actually quite creative and is an outlier, but I didn't like the actual film). The ST felt uninspiring, and there was nothing that stimulated my mind. The same goes for the score of the films. I like certain parts, but there was no NEW style. The original trilogy has all the classics, and the prequels had a different type of sound like duel of the fates and the plaguies theme. Some operatic type stuff. This new trilogy soundtrack did nothing new. Just stayed within the original trilogy style. But i cant be too tough on the guy, he was in his 80s 3. Overall plot points. A) The OT was a small group of rebels taking down the empire, the PT was showing how the republic got taken down. So the whole story of the ST should have been something besides on of these 2. But of course, we just get the OT setup. B) the rule of two for the sith seems to still be in place. and it limits where you can go in the story. I thought it was pretty cool that they killed snoke , but then to bring back the emporer is so meh. They could have made kylo the main bad for episode 9. or instead of going with the rule of 2, why not incorporate the knights of ren more and show a whole team of sith, and fight a whole team of jedis or something. This is why Luke's academy crumbling is such a boring plot point cuz it leaves us exactly where we were in A new hope, no jedis, no hope (besides rey). in summary: I think we all agree the PT biggest iussue was dialogue & directing. The ST trilogy biggest issue was just overall plot, and shitty lore, so it wasnt the directing and characters. The solution was always clear to me, and it was actually kinda part of the original plan? Keep George on the team to write the troligy loosely (or if you really hate it) use him as a creative consultant. You could have had a filoni type (or anyone) write the whole trilogy while consulting george. This way we can keep all the amazing characters disney created, but give them something actually interesting to do. and give them proper arcs. And put them in new environments with new stories and have the story go in new places or even have a completely unconventional way of tackling a star wars trlogy. But you can do that, and also respect the old legacy characters, and their motivations. I think a rian johnson (for example) directed trilogy with filoni and George writing it would have been a 9/10 trilogy. Keep all that love from the PT and dont make the same mistakes. But they over corrected and took 0 risks.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

And not having a plan!

[@urbanexcursion]

Ah...the hype leading up to The Force Awakens...what a great time that was. After my last rewatch I believe: 1. Finn also had an "awakening" and JJ probably planned for him to become a Jedi all along. 2. Rey coming from Palpatine enriches TFA, but it's hard to tell if Palpatine was part of the "plan". 3. Rey isn't a Mary Sue like a lot of the audience claims. She makes a lot of mistakes in this film, but quickly learns from them. As for flying the Falcon, I never had a problem with her doing that. She even tells Finn she had no idea how she made those crazy maneuvers on Jakku, so I just assumed the Force kinda took over for her. Like the PT, I have found the ST more enjoyable when I watch it without thinking about what they could have done. Some of the potential was wasted, but other potential can still come to fruition ie Finn becoming a Jedi. All I can do now is hope Lucasfilm has a plan for Episodes 10-12.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this!

[@quentinthigpen889]

i remember people would put their mortgage on Snoke is Plagueis

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Yup

[@jimw966]

Heard this on the podcast and wanted to add in a comment. I wish you guys had spent more time enjoying and discussing this episode and less complaining about the sequels. The hype when this came out was real. How many teaser trailer reactions had people crying. JJ a setup all this stuff with Rey and Snoke and then bailed on it. He’s a great mystery box guy, but lousy on the follow through. Yes it was an homage to the OT, but had plenty of good stuff in its own. Luke was wasted at the end, but that was JJ’s choice. The crawl said Luke has vanished, so front the opening, that was the deal. Still enjoying these rewatches, but not really looking forward to The Last Jedi because I can see what’s coming after this one.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Sorry man, that is just where the conversation went!

[@robertrhodes5816]

I enjoyed the conversation very much but I hard disagree with rise of Skywalker being a popcorn film. It was the last film I saw in theater pre pandemic and I felt it was waste of my money and time seeing it. I enjoyed last Jedi in theater and force awakens very much.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Yeah to me it is a fun watch, Ep 9 that is but with no substance and doesn't really make sense. 8 is pretty unwatchable for me.

[@robertrhodes5816]

@@TheKristianHarloff I respect your opinion and perspective on it whether I agree or disagree with it. I look forward to more sith council and these reviews. Thanks for content.

[@pauly1232]

Personally, I'm a fan of both 7 and 8, but not 9. I completely get why people don't like 8 though and I respect your opinions on Finn. For me though, in 7 I don't think he ever really feels like he wants to be a part of the resistance. His whole motivation for going back after he was about to leave is his connection to Rey. So in 8 when he wakes up and just wants to find Rey, it works for me. As well as that, I then find his arc in 8 satisfying, because he fully learns to fight for something bigger and the nobility in the resistance. Just my opinion though, loving these rewatches!!!

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Totally get your points of view. That's the beauty of it, we don't have to agree but we can all discuss civil!

[@High_Key]

Yeah I basically agree on the fact that TFA really isn't good or bad, just definitely bogged down by its sequels. I was pretty excited throughout the whole movie first time watching, and it wasn't only until the final act that I actually felt a bit of disappointment in the theater. Just thought Poe singlehandedly flying into the trench, then oscillator and destroying it seemed wayyyy too quick. There was like no build up to that at all...and then the R2 plot convenience was so out of place. TFA's in the middle of my tier list, but TLJ and TROS are both at the bottom.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Fair enough!

[@Jeremy32Miller]

This movie had some of the best marketing not just of a SW movie but in general I still remember when the teaser and all the other trailers came out it started the trend of reaction videos and it’s a very solid SW movie I’m curious how they would connect the new characters

[@TheKristianHarloff]

GREAT marketing!

[@jacobpinchen7282]

Man I just binged all of these rewatches while at work. I agree that fin has a great arc in this movie. I would argue that ray shouldn’t have been the lead it should have been fin. Before anyone says, yes fin could have been a girl and he’s he or she still could have been black. There is something fascinating about fin escaping from the empire after being a storm trooper. It would have been refreshing to see a protagonist in the series not to be naturally strong with the force. Having a protagonist that’s heart is stronger than his force powers could go along way. He or she could have lost over and over again leading up to he or she being a Jedi in the last movie of the trilogy. This way you could keep kilo as the villain and make him way to strong for fin until the final movie of the trilogy and could still have learnt from Luke in the 8th film

[@chriscossin]

I feel like one thing that would’ve helped is replacing Hux with Allegiant General Pryde from IX

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Yeah

[@BenRnrA]

Great recap Kristian and gang. Loved hearing all the points and opinions of all you. I feel the same way as you Kristian about episode 7. I have the same talks with my brother so much potential WASTED because they had no plan. Snoak was disappointing and Phasma might be the most disappointed and wasted of a single actor in all of Star Wars. if not the most then close to the top. But I have fun watching this movie. It's a good stand alone movie, just sad to watch because of the potential they had.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Agreed on all of that!

[@rittiswelt4287]

One major problem all Star Wars movies face (after the success of the original trilogy) is the limited runtime of movies in general. While the prequels still make the most of their time, sometimes even resorting to clipshow-mechanics to cover some ground, they still tell an overall coherent story. But only Episode 3 was regarded as a "pretty good movie" at first, because we wanted more out of our "dear Star Wars" and were left with the impression that those movies were all we'd ever get from the official movie canon. This was until Star Wars animation stepped in and fleshed out the "calatogue" the prequel movies were and made them great, to a point where even the Original Trilogy got bumped up with Rogue One and Rebels. The sequels in particular suffer from a kind of selective skeleton-writing in various ways: after what happend to the prequels, they seem to rely a lot on the idea of establishing characters and worlds in the first place with often brief apperances. Instead of fleshing out ideas and run with it, they concentrate on the core narrative which, on top of all that, hadn't been planned out from start to finish. The Force Awakens does the best job of the three movies to give us a compelling overall story before things turn divisive in The Last Jedi and The Rise of Skywalker. Apart from whether you like or dislike the way the sequel trilogy goes, the final movie in particular is a perfect example of the strategy to fill a movie with basic ideas, that may or may not be fleshed out in the future through Disney+ series. It's a clipshow almost from start to finish. I think with the sequels they finally went from expanding the universe outside the silver screen "out of a necessity" to relying on animation and live-action shows "by design". To us the audience this even amplifies the premise of movies only having a limited time to make themselves worthwile to a point where these movies by themselves can only fail to satisfy our hunger for MORE coherent Star Wars. The result feels rushed and empty increasing the need need to explain "assumed" plotholes or untold (but present) parts of the story and character arcs. It's a steep call the original movies didn't have to face. There was no internet fandom looking after every detail at that time, for most people those movies were all there was and they told the best story they could with what the creators had in mind - today we live in a world where Star Wars creators are aware of an "add later" DLC-mentality. To a certain extent this might even be a better way, since a contemporary movie with all the lore of the Star Wars universe behind it, will most likely not be able to flesh out everything in the first place in under four hours. I think that's a big reason why the sequel trilogy falls short in it's current state and the expected grand finale didn't feel like a worthy payoff. There are other issues, too! But this one may be fixable over time!

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Thank you for being part of the discussion!!

[@rittiswelt4287]

@@TheKristianHarloff Next week should be "interesting". I'm sitting kind of inbetween the seats when it comes to the sequels. I'd probably be more than fine with the overall narative if they had focused a little bit more on the lore behind it. Plus: I know it should never be that way, but the overall crack in the (sometimes almost militant) fan community sits like a giant hog on my enjoyment of the sequels. Sometimes I ask myself: am I a fool for liking/defending this or that part of the movie(s), or the movies in general? It's a bit frustrating and works against any full-on enjoyment.

[@TheNeomaul]

Totally agree that the D+ series will make a lot of the things that happened in 7,8,9 make more sense. So far so good 😁 Can’t wait for Disney+ Day in couple weeks for more footages & announcements of those series

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Fingers crossed!

[@tashrif46]

23:07 Mission Impossible III is one of the most underrated action movies of all time. And Abrams' direction is great in it. But Forxe Awakens is a good movie when you view it from a stand-alone point of view. I think when I first viewed it, I felt it was too similar to New Hope. Probably thats why I love The Last Jedi because its such a departure.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

It is a good one!

[@trevorthornley8835]

Departure? It's the same plot as empire? Hoth battle, bad guys chasing good guys in space, and "teacher" and student. All of the same beats are there.

[@chrisolivo6591]

After reading all the comments here, I think Disney underestimated the Star Wars audience. The biggest complaint about the Sequel Trilogy? Story and character arcs. Most blockbusters these days rely on wow factor, big action scenes and special effects. While Star Wars contains all those elements, the heart of the movies still come down to story and characters. I honestly think Disney was blinded by the reception from Star Wars fans but we are still old school when it comes to movies, even blockbuster movies.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Totally underestimated the audience!

[@Major98]

I agree on a lot points made here. Finn is the most likeable character which makes him getting sidelined in the next two movies all the more disappointing. The first two acts of this film are the best two acts of the Sequel trilogy and still have major issues. I also really dislike Starkiller Base, it's the third Death Star and it's unnecessary. This film set up the trilogy to fail by repeating all the same story beats of A New Hope. It makes ROTJ meaningless. Side-note: I dislike JJ's Star Trek films for all the same reasons that Mike likes them hahaha. He turned Star Trek into a fast paced action flick. Those old shows like Next Generation and Deep Space Nine are much slower pace. A lot of the episodes were resolved through nonviolence. Love the discussion.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Yeah lots of hard core Trek fans don't like his version.

[@creativz666]

I still love the force awakens but every time I re watch it I feel sad at all of the obvious missed opportunities. 8 and 9 where not it for me but 7 showed much promise

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Yup

[@trevorthornley8835]

"It's true. I should have just let them kill me off in the first one. I didn't know what I was getting myself into" -oscar Isaac in ros interview....

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Haha did he really?

[@trevorthornley8835]

@@TheKristianHarloff he did. Look up "cast hates rise of skywalker"

[@Shortyd17]

Here’s my deal with the fandom today. Take marvel for instance. If I tell someone I love Age of Ultron and it’s one of my favorite mcu movies, I don’t get hit with “well you’re not a true Marvel fan then” by everyone that opposes that view. With Star Wars, I say I love just about everything of the sequels and NOT the prequels. I’m consistently told I’m not a Star Wars fan 🤣🤣 it’s lovely

[@TheKristianHarloff]

That is silly for people to say that to you. Loving what you love and enjoying or not enjoying is your right as a fan. It is Star Wars, I LOVE the fact that you enjoy all of it. Envious!

[@metallicnole4514]

I think age of ultron has gotten better with age

[@eliasm907]

31:14 is the key phrase to it all. "...At least to me..."

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Ha

[@jesseurena5153]

me and all my friends thought right out of the movie that she was related to Luke or Obi wan, ALSO remember rian johson made JJ change the last scene where he was supposed to be lifting rocks with the force so clearly JJ had a different plan

[@TheKristianHarloff]

That is true.

[@TheNeomaul]

JJ Abrams is a great director for beginning a franchise. Done it 3 times. TFA, Star Trek ‘09, M:I3 Love those 3 ❤️ Respect! Not so much as a closer.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Facts