Richard Carrier "Why Science is Better Than Religion and Always Has Been" Skepticon One Redux

[@Delsworldview]

This guy makes complete sense. You really have no basis to argue his points. The best atheist ever. Thank You, Richard.

[@thomastroxel2267]

Daniel Griffith I have no basis to argue his points? What points? He considers nothing. He just says enough that non-thinking people listen and have a brain fart. Good luck with your growth. P.S. God can help.

[@louistournas120]

+Thomas Troxel: "P.S. God can help." ==When?

[@thetruthwillblowyouaway6028]

Another example > We live in the third dimension, right? Well God is outside of it( maybe in the fourth or even further ). He is always above us and outside of us. Think about it like this. Take 2 HOSES.. And put the one with the smaller diameter inside the one with the bigger. See? we, our universe exist in the smaller one and God is in the bigger. We are limited by ours and we can't see outside of it but God can оbserve us. And also in such way our thinking and knowledge is limited. Just because we can't see outside of the present level of science DOES NOT mean that there is nothing outside of it!

[@anthonygrimaldi8768]

@@thetruthwillblowyouaway6028 give even the slightest bit of verifiable evidence or you are one of the people he is describing in the video. Everything the religious side has claimed, that can be tested, has been proven wrong and now we have yet another religious claim. What are the odds some guy posting on KZbin comments has it all figured out? Please just state a single test you used to confirm you god hose hypothesis

[@thetruthwillblowyouaway6028]

Another example > We live in the third dimension, right? Well, God is outside of it( maybe in the fourth or even further ). He is always above us and outside of us. Think about it like this. Take 2 HOSES.. And put the one with the smaller diameter inside the one with the bigger. See? we, our universe exist in the smaller one and God is in the bigger. We are limited by ours and we can't see outside of it but God can оbserve us. And also in such way our thinking and knowledge is limited. Just because we can't see outside of the present level of science DOES NOT mean that there is nothing outside of it! Questions like but where God came from and what was before the big bang are so immature. Maybe we are not supposed to know that! Let me ask you > if right now we have some advanced quantum computer and we simulate a universe and the beings inside of it have consciousness just like us, they won't know more than what we have given them to know. They won't know that they are inside of some computer and that outside of this computer there is existence. Maybe we are the same. WE ARE NOT PROGRAMMED to ever know what is outside of our universe and what caused the so-called big-bang. See? We just lack that in our source code. It is not embedded there by our creators. AND THIS IS WHY WE WALK BY FAITH NOT BY SIGHT. We must be tested, to see who of us are good(think of each one of us as a separate program). And just as programs are tested to see which are good and ready for further development so we are also being tested in this life. It is impossible that everything happened by chance. There must be someone to cause it or at least to kick it forward, you know. Some people refuse to believe in a creator because their ego, pride and self-esteem is too high. THEY CANNOT ACCEPT THAT THERE IS SOMEONE GREATER THAN THEM.

[@arvydussibonus1712]

Yeah this camera work is rough. But the talk is fascinating. It's best to treat it like a podcast.

[@EdWittenable]

Whoever was operating the camera should be banned from operating a camera ever again for the rest of their life until the end of time.

[@g1a1r1y3]

Yeah! I stopped watching about 2 minutes in and just opted to listen to the presentation. But to be fair, such camera movements were effective for "NYPD Blue" and "The Blair Witch Project".

[@EdWittenable]

g1a1r1y3 So where's my +1 or thumbs up? :D On another note, I watched another R. Carrier lecture where he frequently guzzles water. That is so rude! It's like someone repeatedly burping in your ear. I've run across that in lectures from other people as well. I really hate it.

[@g1a1r1y3]

Duly +1d. ;) I think I know which other presentation to which you refer. I saw one where he gave a lecture on the existence of Jesus and he would guzzle water down like gas down an SUV! Worse was that he would stop mid-sentence to drink water, smack his lips, and it would echo through the microphone. I had to "listen" to that one too!

[@knockdownwheel542]

EdWittenen 🤣😂🤣😂🤣

[@gregrruth]

Just thought I'd leave a reply 4 years later to say that the camera man/woman is still causing pain. Ugh.

[@grahamblack1961]

I think who videoed this must have just discovered how the zoom works.

[@roryreviewer6598]

The idea of connecting "is" and "ought" statements by proposing the whole thing as a conditional statement was brilliant. Or I'm just easily impressed :p

[@SpookyJohnathan]

You're right that an atheist has no reason to be honest when no one is looking. An atheist is only concerned with one thing, and that is the rejection of theories that rely on god. However, no atheist is just an atheist. I'm an atheist, but I'm also a humanist, a naturalist, an empiricist, a rationalist. I'm a brother and a son. I'm a lover, I'm a fighter. It's not those things which we refuse to believe in that define who we are and what we do, it's the things we do believe in.

[@rationalsceptic7634]

"Faith,Intuition and Insight,untested and unsupported,are insufficient guarantee of Truth"....Bertrand Russell(1872-1970)

[@lonewolfmtnz]

The most coherent refutation of God and Faith (aka nonsense) EVER. Even more articulate and compelling than the great Christopher Hitchens.

[@hambone_productions]

@deemzje My pleasure, Thank you for your appreciation. Everything that I do is volunteer so It is very nice to receive encouragement. I might have to re-upload this talk, aspect ratio issues. My raws are in 16x9 and somehow this got cut in 4x3. If the consensus among viewers is such were it is fine the way it is, please let me know and I will leave it be.

[@calvinkok3318]

Richard Carrier, Education: BA (History), MA (Ancient history), MPhil (Ancient history), PhD (Ancient history) Alma mater: University of California, Berkeley, Columbia University Very easy to find for those willing to look before blathering on about things of which we're willfully ignorant.

[@proslice56]

When people don't need god anymore...god ceases to exist. When there is no more god to believe in, human beings grow with knowledge and wisdom. It is at this point as an intelligent species we regain our human dignity.

[@MsKariSmith]

Porslice56 : You are sooooo right!

[@influxrift]

Today's evidence roundup report on current species origins: -- Species by natural selection and mutation: apx. 34,878,321 -- Species by supernatural design: 0 Today's report was brought to you by The Encyclopedia Britanica, Wikipedia, On the Origin of Species, several thousand biology textbooks, tens of thousands of other books and articles from libraries around thw globe, everything currently understood about natural selection, geology, archeology, chemistry, physics, botany, taxonomy, etc.

[@Catman7442]

This is Carrier's best talk as it doesn't gratuitously poke fun at religion and doesn't fail to show and explain the validity of his archeological findings. Here, he builds each of them, religion and science, from the ground up and compares them, using simple reasoning and common human intuition to show the comparison, religion defeated by science time after time. Morality from the ground up as well. Nice talk.

[@MyloDude22]

I don't have "faith" in the pilot, because there can be things that happen to the plane that are outside the pilots control. I also don't get on a plane "knowing" that I'll get there in a safe manner, that's part of the risk. But that also doesn't mean I put "faith" in the pilot, the plane or anything. I have reasonable expectations based on evidence and past experience that I can get there safely, but it's not a guarantee.

[@RealCrusadesHistory]

I wish these guys wouldn't drag out these ridiculous terms like "scientific religion". I mean I know what he's getting at, but it's imprecise and vague.

[@aikixtal2013]

Evolution is observable, testable, and repeatable. It is also observed, tested, and repeated. Reasonable expectation is not faith. Faith is belief without or despite evidence. For evolution, the evidence is there, no faith required. For creationism, the evidence is not there, and faith is required.

[@stiimuli]

3:50 I think the merchants run out of the marketplace would disagree that Jesus rejected "any and all violence".

[@T4ko8Yaki]

Don't forget right before that when Jesus comes across a fig tree that's out of season and he curses it because it didn't have fruit for him when he was hungry.

[@tonyhopkinson8169]

And of course Luke 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. Says gentle loving Jesus...

[@tonyhopkinson8169]

goodfella21f One almost gets the impression he was schizophrenic, or may be, just maybe, the words attributed to him, came from several other people. No surely not Tony... Or we aren't reading the text in the correct context, or of course the tried and tested broken god goggles problem...

[@ivorysand]

Tony Hopkinson Indeed, the context is a parable that Jesus is telling his followers, the line you quoted is from a fictional allegorical story inside the fictional biblical story. The words of Luke 19:27 are spoken by a character in that parable who is not Jesus himself (although he can be interpreted as an allegory for a figure like Jesus). The parable is also featured in Matthew 25. See wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_talents_or_minas. I am not trying to defend christianity in any way, I just think is it easier and better to criticize it in an informed manner.:-)

[@tonyhopkinson8169]

ivorysand I shall amend my language when using it henceforth. So basically we have yet another passage in the bible that someone can justify squinting at? Hurrah, there weren't enough of them, christians were starting to struggle when trying to make the book of their gods thought conveniently match their own...

[@Ebvardh]

Being unreasonable isn't a virtue, but simply a constant to human existence. Being reasonable is necessary to efficiently fix issues. Being perfectly reasonable all the time is tiring as fuck. Perhaps most of the people who have been through academic environments in developed nations have adapted themselves out of the need for religiosity, but the rest of the world doesn't have a need to even explore or break down these concepts; only to experience them and link them to their everyday life.

[@TheUntergangMan]

The comments for this video are delicious.

[@macroxela]

"Atheism is not a belief that deities do not exist, it is an assertion thereof though." - I have seen atheists like that but that only a narrow set of them. "Most inclusively, atheism is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist." - Wikipedia's definition and the definition of most dictionaries. The vast majority fall into the 2nd category (some only when pressed hard enough with questions).

[@fasihodin]

wish i had open my eyes long ago!!!!

[@notwhatiwasraised2b]

All eyes and brains are subjective so don't be too sure your eyes are open to anything other than the dangers of credulity and supposition that you do or can 'Know' anything.

[@notwhatiwasraised2b]

@Toughen Up, Fluffy not a hard solipsist...just a diligent skeptic

[@lightbeing8174]

Seyton Seek an exorcist priest role open you're eyes to a lot of things. watch the devil and father amorth trailer.

[@deemzje]

Mr. Lehr, thank you for re-uploading this lecture in one piece. It will be featured.

[@ralphyetmore]

An Historian who quotes Bill & Ted...? Excellent!...

[@tshirtfactory07]

ralphyetmore a historian...not "an" historian

[@kamisamaz]

@@tshirtfactory07 don't be a asshole

[@geoengr3]

Most excellent!

[@theGentlemanCaller73]

The first thing I learned in English 101 in college: you can't make an argument that something is "better." You may prefer it, but that doesn't make it "better."

[@grahamblack1961]

How many times do I have to keep making the mistake of reading KZbin comments?

[@munstrumridcully]

Everyone of the scientists you mentioned accepted the evidence and would change position based on new evidence. Richard acknowledge these principles repeatedly, especially with Galen, who with science and the evidence available at the time, showed intelligent design to be a valid theory, and he would have changed his mind in the face of new evidence. Over and over he explains that the incompatibility is between unsupported supernaturalism and evidence based empiricism.

[@williamallman299]

Videos like this always bring the creationists and believers running to try and discredit the speaker and the ideas presented, and this one was no different. It's disheartening to me, seeing all these poor delusional people spreading the misinformation and lies propagated by creationist websites and apologists in a vain attempt to maintain their delusions, but I'm gladdened to see the number of responses to those untruths by rational and sane people. Maybe there IS hope for us after all.

[@1FeistyKitty]

@Steve - 1) If some choice he makes actually hurt someone that does not disprove all the FACTS that he brings to light about the great deception you are under and all the harmful effects your belief brings to you, your kids ( if you have them) and society at large. 2) people are individuals so it possible that the women he has relations with are evolved to the point that they are not only not harmed but are actually benefiting. You are practicing moral absolutism and YOU ARE judging by a standard that has a) been prove to be a lie and b) is your uninformed opinion because you do not know these individuals. 3) the old testament can't possibly be the beginning story to the new testament for the simple reason that it clearly says that "the most high" is the only true GOD and the new testament turns around and invents two new GODS. Case closed.

[@1FeistyKitty]

@ great points - nicely written

[@1FeistyKitty]

@Steve - so, where is the line>? would it be anyone who is atheist can't know morality>? would it anyone who doesn't believe in some form of Christianity>? would be anyone that doesn't believe in your form of Christianity? can you see how slippery the slope is?

[@1FeistyKitty]

@Steve - wow, I guess I struck a nerve - frankly you are to stupid to waste my time trying to educate

[@1FeistyKitty]

@Steve - you are a big bag of assumptions

[@AkoSiFrance]

My right ear loves the audio.

[@EdwinLuciano]

Batmandeltaforce, every sentence you wrote is false. Nine sentences. Every one false.

[@Wrkumlin]

It's interesting how he also blocked replies. shows how much value his vacuous statements really have.

[@int3ll3r0n]

Yeah, I really don't get how some religious people say the earth was created in 7 24 hour days and is only a few thousand years old. I believe Genesis is a metaphor and God was in control of the physical processes and the morphing of the energy to create the universe, but not that He waived a magic wand and boom stuff came up.

[@rowdy.rockers]

Ha ha! Jesus didn't know washing his hands kills germs and prevents illnesses. That's just gross!! 😲

[@SharonBalloch]

when 'some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem' and found the disciples of Jesus ignoring the rabbinical rules about cleanness, they objected and made their objections known to Jesus: 'They don't wash their hands before they eat!' This is not a reference to defective hygiene. They were not suggesting that the disciples' hands were actually dirty, but merely that they had not performed a ritual cleansing before eating.Then Jesus called to the crowd to come and hear. “Listen,” he said, “and try to understand. It’s not what goes into your mouth that defiles you; you are defiled by the words that come out of your mouth.”It has nothing to do with being clean.. Bible readers understand this.. Medical students and their professors at the elite teaching hospitals of this era typically began their day performing barehanded autopsies on the women who had died the day before of childbed fever. They then proceeded to the wards to examine the laboring women about to deliver their babies. Just trying to get Doctors to wash their hands proved almost impossible.. Dr. Semmelweis was brilliant but had two strikes against him when applying for a position at the Vienna General Hospital in 1846: he was Hungarian and Jewish. Medicine and surgery were considered to be the premier specialties in Vienna but because of his background and religion Semmelweis was relegated to running the less desirable division of obstetrics. Nevertheless, his claim to immortality was the result of an obsession with finding the means to end the childbed fever epidemics that were killing nearly a third of his patients. So thousands of people died needlessly because this man was Jewish.. it took decades for them to realize this man was right..

[@Piochanel2]

I enjoyed the speech, but the guy on the camera seems to discovered the zoom-button just few seconds before this started. ;)

[@iamanon4u]

Thanks for posting these talks, Hambone. I have been really enjoying them.

[@RonJohn63]

47:07 And if I'm a sociopath, psychopath or are Autistic?

[@enzorocha2977]

Audio mixing is off. But to my question: In the example Carrier gives in the "is-ought" Hume problem, if you have an advanced vehicle that doesn't need oil, why would you consider it whether you ought to or not put oil in it? Love his books though, have most of them. They're my go-to more than most.

[@Tysto]

The camera operator was a member of Westboro Baptist Church.

[@aretisgreat]

Lone Rook If you want to disagree with the speaker then disagree with his message but not with his right to deliver it

[@ronocko]

Whats the difference between him waving a magic wand, and creating a universe from nothing via magic? If you believe in purely naturalistic process creating the universe just set into motion by a god then whats the difference if said god isn't involved? Just curious.

[@YAlwaysWar]

Sound is pretty rough. 🤦‍♂️

[@ThouArtOfWar]

With out science you wouldn't have medice, cars, and that fancy little computer you're sitting behind,

[@EricEstesEleutherian]

You obviously don't subscribe to any scientific journals. Let alone on anything about abiogenesis because that field is awesome and is a lot farther along than you seem to realize.

[@cuzned1375]

12 years later, my main question is still: (ahem) Was there really nowhere he could’ve put his water, other than the floor??

[@coot1925]

Why do they always get 5 year old kids to operate the camera and sound?

[@StarmanAV]

Almost fell off my chair when he said 'the giant spaghetti monster will burn me with it's delicious boiling sauce'!

[@manamaster6]

45:00 bark and roots may contain salicylic acid and a bunch other chemicals, the problem with drinking tree bark tea instead of having an aspirin to relieve the pain is that not only does the tea contains other chemicals that may be harmful or negatively interact with the salicylic acid, salicylic acid is harmful by itself as it causes nausea, diarrhea and vomiting, it is only until it is synthetized and converted into acetylsalicylic acid that it is safe for human consumption.

[@TheodoreRavindranath]

Beautiful arguments. No hate. It's a pleasure to watch this.

[@warrengraham5419]

3:40 If it is specifically "charitable" healthcare (personally voluntary giving) then fine. But categorically denying healthcare to the poor includes totally reasonable positions on the topic when the greater consequences of doing so are considered.

[@TheLoftia]

So... your saying god changed its mind? Lets all gather together and prey that this indecisive entity doesn't change its mind on which way gravity goes.

[@deemzje]

@HamboneProductions I really do appreciate your effort. While I'm primarily interested in Richard Carrier, I watch nearly all of your uploads with pleasure. No aspect ratio complaints here, I only wish the sound were better, but I know that's not feasible.

[@ikawpipa]

i know you have tons of evidences for a common ancestor but i'm only asking for a simple evidence. what is the color of the common ancestor? thanks.

[@stuchly1]

this was a very enlightening and incredibly interesting video. Thank you.

[@winterstellar]

Because science gives appliable results, useful stuff, useful knowledge, instead of ancient pointless fairy-tales from incredibly primitive societies, maybe?: )

[@MyloDude22]

You made a claim. Your claim was, "You have provided proof to me that you have not really read the Bible." You then don't list the supposed "proof" I gave you as to I have never read the Bible. Fact is, I have read it. I was an Evangelical Christian for 6 years. My whole point is that your religion isn't based on evidence, proof, or reasonable expectations. How did you refute my claim in your latest post?

[@hambone_productions]

@kilorat thanks, copy pasta error, will fix

[@НиколайТодоров-и9т]

An eloquent speaker, but I disagree with the statement "All evil come from ignorance" 36:15. A perfectly intelligent man could commit acts of inspeacable cruelty with the knowledge that he is commiting a "bad thing" or at least with the undestanding that he is hurting others and his behaviour will have 'bad" consequences. I'm very pessimistic about the corelation between knowledge per se and our propensity to be good, or not to commit evil deeds.

[@Rayvvvone]

"I disagree with the statement "All evil come from ignorance" - So do I. I think the statement should be amended to say a lot of evil comes from ignorance or something like that. we would have to exclude those cruel persons who don't have a capacity to feel empathy.. such as psychopaths and the like, I think Richard is speaking of normal conditions, but maybe he is being a bit hyperbolic. But I would totally agree with the statement that at least some evil comes from ignorance. I have seen that happen personally. And I would not conclude that knowledge isn't a good thing for society or moral judgements. The more knowledge we have as a society, the better that society is. And the more moral knowledge we have, the more moral we CAN be. I guess everybody can chose to behave badly if they want. Richard might be thinking of a Star Trek kind of utopia. He certainly LOOKS like a Trekkie nerd.

[@int3ll3r0n]

I simply believe that God built this universe with mathematics and physical sciences in mind. It sounds crazy to you, but feel free to believe otherwise.

[@aworldwithoutsin6384]

if there is a god he would bless Richard carrier.

[@Sakib241]

The irony is the only reason this conversation is possible because a group of scientists developed the internet. It wasn't revealed to a theologian. If you look at the track record of theologians and scientists, it immediately becomes clear who is benefitting you more. And if you believe that the real benefit is in the afterlife, then why work now, why take medicinal help? All good things happen after death.

[@macroxela]

Good examples, I hadn't seen that perspective before. You do point out one of the main problems with psychology/sociology, the difficulty of getting empirical data. I had heard of the Martha-Mitchel effect before but somehow it skipped over my head when answering your questions. Thanks for pointing it out.

[@timefororbit]

From the beginning he points out that religion is not based on objective facts or science and this observation applies to all major religions. Agree or disagree with his conclusions, but a belief without evidence is irrational. Scientific method is a means of understanding the world rationally. Given the choice, I would prefer to base my world-views on empirical evidence.

[@MikeJunior94]

Isaac Newton, Michael Faraday, Johannes Kepler, Robbert Boyle, Isaac Milner, Heinrich Hertz, Louis Pasteur, Richard Smalley, Max Planck, Otto Hahn, John Eccles, Charles Hard Townes, Gerhard Ertl, Brian Kobilka. All of them have contributed either a small part or a big part to scientific discovery and most of them wrote about science and religion.

[@punkamatico83]

Whats with all the fumbling with the camera?

[@FinaleGoofups]

I changed one word in that comment and re-posted it as the sentence did not make sense as I had phrased it. I tend to write long sentences which results in grammar errors on occasion.

[@nasirfazal3586]

senior, If you ever come to Cambridge, please let me know i would like to meet you,I admire your work. Prof.Dr.Nasir Fazal Cambridge .

[@KUKAKYOTOTOKYO]

Since I am studying psychology, this reminded me of another study I came across in my readings that the most "well off" countries in concerns of education, wealth, health, criminal activity, ect. were the highest "Athiest" or non-religious countries. (ie, Norway, Sweeden, Germany, Japan, ect.) And the "worst off" over all were highly religious countries. (ie, Iraq, Kenya, Brazil, ect)

[@Spiriiiit1987]

i uphold the scientific standards to which he adheres too. but i arrive at a different conclusion. A fitting analogy might be this: If man can empirically observe how information is processed, by making saltatory conduction visible- has he thus been able to explain how thoughts are generated? Has he demystified what "electricity" stands for ,or more precise, what lies behind the electric current permeating our neurons, braincells etc.? I strongly doubt it.

[@SilverSixpence888]

Rick has found the secret to eternal youth. He still looks like this.

[@rlittlejohn2772]

Imagine born of a rib, virgin birth, the walking dead etc. People need hope and miracle wish under challenging circumstances.

[@AtheistRex]

"Science and God co-exist. They do not oppose each other." What is the age of the planet Earth?

[@RonJohn63]

36:13 Well that's just a crock of shit, *completely* ignoring the fact that some people are just selfish bastards.

[@chedillychedilly1]

His statement was meant to be somewhat ironic: what he is actually saying there is, 'There are natural explanations that can account for, so far, all observed phenomena, and the universe, so far as we can tell, is CAUSAL in nature.' So, if the universe is mechanistic, your mind, regardless of how you FEEL right now, is obeying causal laws that are NOT of a mind. Hence: "everything is a mindless process."

[@TheMasterfulcreator]

He wasn't implying anything. He was talking about the laws of nature. He explicitly stated that he didn't believe in a personal god.

[@int3ll3r0n]

I know. I wasn't arguing that.

[@enzorocha2977]

oh boy. who edited this video? don't know how to balance our audio channels, do we? ruined.

[@aikixtal2013]

Grey. Why do you think that the specific wavelengths of light reflected by a common ancestor is important somehow?

[@KUKAKYOTOTOKYO]

Another interesting thing to note is the highest suicide rate among professions is dentistry and most dentists are Christian... Have you ever studied how surveys, tests and "studies" actually work? You can't simply come to a conclusion based on a high correlation.

[@chedillychedilly1]

“My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment.”-Einstein

[@czerai]

JESUS, the constant camera work, Zooming and Unzooming.... it makes watching the video unbearable! I had to alt tab to reddit while letting this video play.

[@kalin1993]

You are implying that everything has 1 single ancestor and that that one is the only one from which everything else evolved. Do you have any source where someone states that that is the case?

[@ikawpipa]

about the Loch Ness monster, i don't believe it. i just like the picture.

[@Roper122]

" We can all see there's a god " ????? Actually... no, " we " can't. And no, none of those odds you gave are zero.

[@SpookyJohnathan]

"What harm would it do, if a man told a good strong lie for the sake of the good and for the Christian church ... a lie out of necessity, a useful lie, a helpful lie, such lies would not be against God, he would accept them." - Martin Luther

[@FinaleGoofups]

My problem with Occam's Razor is not so much when it is applied in empirical science when selecting hypotheses, as it is a most sensible application therein. However, when it is applied to sociology and psychology, it becomes very error prone. For example, it is simpler to assume that N. Koreans who wept over Kim Jong-il were sincere and not coerced, but that is inaccurate. Similarly, the Martha-Mitchell effect is a situation where applying Occam's Razor results in damage to the patient.

[@Difficult]

IF the author of universe and authentic religion is same, therefore a true divine religion CANT possible contradict with PURE SCIENCE. * A pure science is an empirical observation of relevant reality.

[@SharonBalloch]

A striking fact involving religion is the high number of Laureates of the Jewish faith-over 20% of total Nobel Prizes (138); including: 17% in Chemistry, 26% in Medicine and Physics, 40% in Economics and 11 % in Peace and Literature each. Of Nobel Prize winners 65.4% have identified Christianity in its various forms as their religious preference. Overall, Christians have won a total of 78.3% of all the Nobel Prizes in Peace, 72.5% in Chemistry, 65.3% in Physics, 62% in Medicine, 54% in Economics and 49.5% of all Literature awards. Atheists, agnostics, and freethinkers comprise 10.5% of total Nobel Prize winners.

[@katiemacormic7685]

Before bashing Catholicism......... * All ancient folk believed in forms of paranormal * bible means a series of books any genres and in the case of Holy bible is a leather book w/ ideograms& pictographs and some of it comes from previous pagan sectors.* lilith and snake in the garden. * Advocated of disabled folk and against barbarism in Colosseum in ROme, Ceasar Augustus was a cool dude * 1600s North America- first thanksgiving folks were actually cool w/ eachother. ( natives killed their own kind) * US founded on Scientific Native' and Christian values * glass colorful windows to help destitute folk to read * Doctors without borders during crusades * Adapts to allow dance, wine, cards, etc. * Adapted to female rights and female education * Astronomy *biology *non- religious folk hurt eachother

[@bpansky]

+Katie Macormic Catholicism (compared to Humanism) is like an old car that is slow and barely works. Or like riding a sick weak horse instead of a healthy one. It is still very far behind, and is slow to change its faults.

[@Sammy_shammy24]

Who else here lives richard and is going on a richard carrier marathon??

[@Sammy_shammy24]

Loves*

[@ronaldlindeman6136]

@@Sammy_shammy24 Just put your mouse pointer on the r of richard carrier that you wrote in the upper comment. Then move you pointer one inch to the right. It will turn on an edit/delete window shown by 3 dots straight up and down.

[@MikeJunior94]

"Any system of values & beliefs not based entirely on scientific reasoning". I find it rather striking that in his opening remarks he says that after this presentation you will realize science is better than religion, but this statement hangs entirely on the definition of religion. In the end all he has proven is this: Science is better than any system of values & beliefs not based entirely on scientific reasoning. Well duhh, who didn't know that?

[@macroxela]

In the comment you withheld, you pointed out a subtle assumption I made. You're right, I didn't notice the subtle assumption. Thanks for pointing it out. I was being hasty.

[@warrengraham5419]

42:42 This is basically the best rebuttal to Jordan Peterson's typical rhetoric on religion. Isolate the good so you can do away with the bad. It's as though the idea has not even occured to him..

[@oTiamat]

Argumentum in terrorem. Appeal to fear - logical fallacy. Great example here! Bravo.

[@Mark-Tyson]

Hey Hambone, My Favs are: Christopher Hitchens, Richard Dawkins, Matt Dillahunty, Tracey Harris and i have now added you to my list, and thats great company in anyones book.

[@chedillychedilly1]

Ummm... I'm not really sure what you are upset about. Your reaction is quite telling. “It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.”-Einstein

[@appnzllr]

I've been listening/watching quite a few Carrier clips, and I find his arguments are usually convincing. However, in this one he lauds science over religion. I have a problem accepting that science is so perfect. I know that science is gradually moving towards a more correct answer about certain questions, but take nutrition for example. Eggs are bad and then good. Coffee is bad and then good. The amount of different things in a person's diet change constantly. Tobacco was almost a health product before it was found to cause cancer. Most of these were because of the stances of science and scientists. People are going to reply, "But science has the right attitude towards these things now!" But do we know that? Isn't the constant changing of attitudes towards different things based on the scientists' need to publish and work towards a PhD? The constant need for scholars and scientists to publish pushes them to come up with something new or changed.

[@eatfrenchtoast]

Science is the process. Learn English better please.

[@eatfrenchtoast]

@Steve a scientist has to separate their hobby from their work to do the job.

[@woofwoof7226]

@@eatfrenchtoast Are you proud of your English?

[@Andulsi]

Science is a method , not a set of beliefs

[@munstrumridcully]

1) You seem to not understand what science is, or how it works(I've read some of your comments). First, I borrowed no arguments, only pointed out how religious people can be fine scientists, as long as they go where the evidence leads, as Dr. Miller does. Second, borrowing from the work of others, standing on the shoulders of those who came before you is how science works. Third. science doesn't :prove things", what science does is make models of reality, based on evidence and reason(...)

[@zeldaofarel]

Freemasons are essentially Christians now. Besides, religious belief in general is sometimes the issue, but since Christianity is so dominant, most people know little of other things.

[@kudden666]

And I'm sure Hitchens was stumped in this scenario which probably never happened. Religious moralities are arbitrary, while Humanist morality is based on what is actually in the interest of humanity as a whole.

[@19coyote80]

Why doesnt this man talk about the Koran??

[@Enzo012]

I'm interested to know how science was used to support the idea that the universe is a creation of God "back then" but it can't still be used like that now. Surely the universe would seem like even more of a process toward greater intelligence and complexity from a starting point of simplicity now than it did in ancient times when they didn't know about all this stuff?

[@CodyHelscel]

This guy needs Toastmasters training. He simply reads from his notes. I'm not being flippant, but it's just something to think about. I'm finding it hard to follow. Also, I wish he would give more examples instead of just saying they said this or did that. I cannot verify most of the history he is sharing, nor can I find them in context if he doesn't provide the resources. Furthermore, Richard is advocating for science over religion, but science is all about facts. It's not about what Richard says. One final thought. I don't know what he thinks religion is. The Catholic church, for example, believes in scientific curiosity. Science does not oppose religion and vice versa. Look it up for yourself. Who gave us the Big Bang Theory? He was a Catholic priest. Look it up! Hint: Georges Lemaître