[Killing Floor 2] The Commando - Perk Guide #8

The Commando may seem to be a straight forward perk, and in many ways it is. However, a good Commando can be a powerful force multiplier, especially with good teamwork. In this video we discuss some basic and advanced strategies, loadouts, weapons, and skill suggestions to make you the best Commando possible!
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[@beanboy3791]

My man commando out here finding invisible karate girls.

[@slighttilt01]

bean boy *NARUTO RUNNING GIRLS*

[@deaththephoenix8395]

No invisible karate gf why live

[@SOK39]

Or look for The Patriarch when he's running away like a bitch.

[@B.T.J]

Invisible, naruto running, karate, EXTREMELY thicccc girls.

[@SOK39]

@@B.T.J especially when they god seasonal costumes

[@davecrupel2817]

The AR-15 is 5x better if you switch to semi auto, and prioritize headshots.

[@lilman7466]

Yup and with rapid fire controller its over

[@dougbrown7670]

Its ur opinion so yea

[@FeedMeSalt]

I 100% do not agree. The time between shots is trash.

[@FeedMeSalt]

@@lilman7466 you realize it can't fire any faster then it's set limit right. A modded controller won't shoot any faster then a trigger finger/ mouse.

[@butterwantschoclate9364]

@@FeedMeSalt if you’re accurate you won’t need to spray

[@matiasaguayo3175]

"Don't disturb my friend, he's dead tired." XD Kudos for that reference.

[@aryafrost9432]

*proceeds to jump out of flying plane*

[@MyNameIsPetch]

Right after you post the video, Commando gains the tommy gun lol

[@Sharphe]

I heard it isnt the best

[@gabenplznerf1093]

Meager damage, low ammo pool, misaligned sights. Not good now, but it's fixable.

[@MrBubbles..]

its not for commando its for SWAT

[@Sharphe]

@@MrBubbles.. its a dual class weapon

[@MyNameIsPetch]

@@MrBubbles.. it's cross-perk

[@JohnDoe-kv4ef]

I love this guy's guides. I'm watching this one and happened to be high and man I'm laughing at his voice and tone for some reason. It's spot on for this type of video

[@pockitsune6347]

Your videos are so slickly edited and helpful, its really the gold standard of video game guides.

[@RichardDangles]

Hey everyone! If you find a factual error or wish to expand on something, leave it as a part of this comment so I can compile a list! Thank you for watching! -Thompson will get a separate video and be linked here once it’s up!

[@ImranZesu]

Richard Dangles Damn man I like your new profile picture. Very Payday like.

[@aryafrost9432]

How do you feel about the AK-12 Upgrade Nerf? T4 Damage went from 50-46 T5 Damage went from 60-52

[@pogpossum6567]

Another great video, though personally I found the music with lyrics to be a bit distracting while I'm trying to listen to you.

[@TheUndeadslayer221]

The MKb can one shot Cysts (but not other clots if the player is lvl 25 and has Hollow Point Rounds) The FN FAL one shots all clots (Barring Rioters) while Hollow Point Rounds is active and is Level 25.

[@TheNocturnalLoner]

0:27 Under the Analysis of the perk, you have a line that reads "allows Commandos to changing game conditions and fill gaps in their team." I think you meant to type "allows Commandos to adapt to changing game conditions and fill gaps in their team." Love the videos and hearing your input on the game.

[@Fruggggg]

Richard thank you so so much for this! I am so thankful for your awesome videos and streams, stay awesome man.

[@FeverSensei]

We need more LMG’s for the commando

[@yosawin3018]

Yeah I think so,But What should be added into the game? PKM?

[@karolkozuchowski5578]

I think that a Tier 3 Russian-made LMG, the RPK-16 would be a good option... It's only difference from AK-12 is having a bigger mag (a 100 drum one). But putting it in Tier 3 would outclass the AK-12. Swapping the Stoner 63 to the Tier 3 and making RPK-16 a Tier 4 sounds good on paper.

[@ridhosamudro2199]

How about we just get a dedicated LMG class?

[@yosawin3018]

@@ridhosamudro2199 well,That sounds impractical at least for me.Since LMGs has large ammunition boxes and many bullets to shoot things they also fire rifle rounds(such as 5.56 5.45 7.62) so They can deal good damage with large ammo pool although it may take longer to reload but that still make them a decent class that could out class SWAT or Commando

[@Wsup2010]

MG42

[@henriknjten6266]

Fantastic quality as always! Great work!

[@sk8board2691]

I'd be really cool if you could show the trees when showing perk skills, I always forget by just their name, much easier to remember by their side/effect.

[@stormtrooperisgb]

I’m all for the Holy Trinity of Commando, Slinger, and Sharpshooter but I prefer the extreme overkill option: The Monster Trio of Zerk, Demo, and Sharp. If you want your big zeds to exit the current dimension your in, The Monster Trio is your best bet 💪

[@iavreN]

SS with Demo and Zerk kek, you must play on hard.

[@psychicwarlock5745]

Support because fuck big zeds and everybody near them.

[@Davtwan]

My favorite perk from the first game. I hope to release a hail of bullets once more when I get a better computer. Congrats on finishing all the perk guides by the way.

[@Ed-hc5iz]

Been waiting for this, thank you!

[@C0T0HA]

I find there's a pretty effective Stoner build if you also take Impact Rounds for the extra stumble power and take M16 as secondary. Its almost non-existent recoil mitigates the absence of Hollow Point's recoil reduction, while the high fire rate and the 60 round mag contribute even more to stumble power, remaining effective and precise at trash headshots. The M16's underbarrel launcher is crucial to this build as it's a great way to momentarily dispose of a group of trash or oneshot certain mediums. It requires a completely different playstyle than your average commando and implies the big zed killers are doing their job properly, but it's a LOT of fun. And as always thank you for the great videos!

[@sirwalrus4820]

Commando quote, on a commando video, I like it.

[@e_ven_eve2593]

Yeet, got excited af as soon as I saw the notification.

[@fishbread9208]

The fact that Eat Lead and Hallow Point are so interchangeable is one of my favorite things about the perk

[@lazerofdensity2156]

The commando with the mtech401(no upgrades) and m16(T5 upgrade) is my favorite loadout, good at trash clearing, can handle a group of fp very quickly if you lead with a few HE grenades, and a backup healer. The grenade launcher attachment on the m16 can also work with tactician so you can still rapid fire it.

[@_Gandalf_The_White]

KF1: Medic + beserker KF2: Commando + support

[@johnsheppard4493]

Heck yeah! It's finally here!

[@propyne6188]

Loved the referential quote at 0:27

[@babypig9481]

No one is willing to play as a medic😂 I always play medic😐👌🏼

[@radosawwalkowski5824]

Me too, it's pretty fun! And you also feel like you're one of the most important people in your team

[@Mollensky]

Say that to my recent lobby. Me a (swat) and the rest field medics

[@Chickenman2334]

Mollensky What is even so good about swat

[@ChefofWar33]

Yah. He is honestly the best combination of agility, tankiness, support, and firepower. I am often getting most kills due to the grenades and often survive the longest due to high run speed and syringe recharge.

[@gamingislife8262]

Medic Nation 😎

[@TARINunit9]

As a pessimistic Commando main who has often been envious of the SWAT's MP5 and increased armor, that line at 1:18 really jumped out at me

[@drunkbunny94]

To be fair to the L85 its a perfectly acceptable purchase after wave 1 if you expend all of your AR15 ammo. I say this because if you were to buy ammo for your AR15 then economically its not really that different to buying the L85 and selling it since the loss is just over 100dosh but you are also getting ammo at the same time which compensates for this. But thats it competitively speaking its not really worth the upgrades, which is fine imo. Its just a nice step up from the AR15 thats available early without using all your dosh. if the L85 were to be buffed i would have its weight reduced to 5kg that could open some more interesting offperk builds as well as letting you carry it with the T5 stoner since if you take the stoner ATM you are stuck with the AR15... The M16 is ok with upgrades as well if you take the stumble rounds since you can stumble fleshpounds with headshots and you can kill them with a mag and 2 duds - which is easier than it sounds since you get a massive stumble window but its costs a lot more than the FAL and it isnt as practical (you can use the FAL in zed time to pop FP's but because you gotta reload the M203 its not really viable). Plus you need to spend 3300~ dosh to be able to do what the FAL can do at T4. My favourite loadout is the Med ar + FAL. Simply put the med ar has a ton of ammo and can be used to kill pretty much everything, its large mag makes it great for trash - while it has fairly low damage its high enough for most important thresholds and its RoF makes it good enough for consistent zed time. The FAL is then one of the best large zed killing weapons and flat out replaces the T5 AK12 - arguably the best because of its ease to use - but more importantly its the cheapest which means i can then dosh the crap out of my team as the entire build is 3k as there are no T5 upgrades and as a result its very easy to get this build and you can dosh you team afterwards. PS it was nice seeing you use machine gunner to extend in this one ^_^ PPS that invisible husk shot at 4:10

[@Foxhound3857]

If I run out of AR15 ammo in Wave 1 (unlikely since I just use Fallback with the pistol on Wave 1), I just sell it and rebuy it. Get another 150 rounds with it for just 100 dosh, and you recoup 50 of that dosh when you sell it again later.

[@kgrock291]

Love the video. Finally my favorite class

[@RichardDangles]

Mine too!

[@elijahgomez2481]

Another great opportunity with running the hmtec rifle with commando is not just being able to heal team and yourself amazingly, but it levels up medic quite fast. (From a 0 to a 19 medic just while using the gun on commando.)

[@TheNoobmaster98]

M16 Scar H , the grenades are just too damn good and the scar fits perfectly with full upgrades on both lending you to plenty of killing power with trash

[@sparseseekers5851]

I hope we can get some more expanded Lmg options in the future it’d be so fun to tear through zeds with them even if the weight and reload time are nuts

[@voidwalker5784]

I use the Scar+grenade healing rifle. Upgrade the Scar to tear 5 and you become highly versatile being able to kill little and big zeds easily while you heal yourself and your team (in that order). You can switch the scar with the ak-12 but it gets very tiring to do a round 60+ in endless mode and if your finger cramps with a fleshpound running at you, you die a sad death.

[@funkyhunky34]

Love your videos rich!

[@schnozbott]

With 700+ hours in KF2, much of that on Commando, I do have one opinion to share. The AR15 Varmint is not a gun worthy of any praise. Aside from its lack of full auto, the burst fire mode is so clumsy that the weapon is only practical to use in semi-auto mode, which grants better accuracy but lowers dps, hampering the utility of the weapon past wave 1. The Bullpup may not have better per-round damage, but its accuracy, clip size, reserve ammo pool, better rate of fire, and handy holosight make it a worthwhile buy even if it does slow the path to the AK12 somewhat. I use the following skill build exclusively: High Capacity Mags Impact Rounds Prepared Hollow Point Rounds Machine Gunner

[@lethalfumes]

I’ve never looked forward to using the varmint rifle😂

[@hunfer394]

I just love M16 M203. It's fun to play, can support dealing with stunned big zeds really well, and you can restart zedtime with its granade if your clip's empty. Some may scream at me, but I love just upgrading M16 to tier 5 and use it with Prepared perk and not using any other weapon for as long as i can (i buy a backup gun if needed).

[@ridiculousrandy1401]

If you're playing solo, I've found that the Ak-12 paired with the Stoner is an effective combo. Ak for restoring Zed Time and trash, and the Stoner for FP and Scrakes

[@vanquishingrace5043]

I like the mk over the scar because of the extra 10 bullets in the mag. I might give the FAL a try though, it looks fun as hell.

[@SmGTwist]

I have notifications on for two KZbinrs. Rich is one of them. Love the new video, bruv!

[@Foxhound3857]

My favorite Commando loadout is the HM501 Medic Grenade Rifle and the M16/M203+1. The Medic Grenades provide quick self healing and great close range defense if you get cornered, boxed in, or swarmed from all sides by trash, and the M16 grenades provide crowd control and enough burst to engage Scrakes or even lone Fleshpounds if necessary. Very versatile loadout that holds up in almost every possible situation. Alternatively, SCAR +1 instead of M16 is a fine option too. HM501 for trash, SCAR for medium zeds and the occasional big zed. Almost matches the damage of FNFal but with much more ammo capacity and efficiency (far less wasteful to use on trash).

[@borgar_pizza_cat]

If people see Commando as 'weaker SWAT' - they never played Commando. It's SWAT a weaker Commando.

[@aryafrost9432]

A Commando will always be more useful than a SWAT, but a SWAT+Commando is infinitely better than a Commando+Commando.

[@dicklips8268]

Commando is an all around class while swat is a trash killer

[@amathy9690]

"runs out of ammo faster then any other perk in the game." 🤔ammo should hardly ever be an issue for commando unless you're trying to kill every large zed in the game

[@borgar_pizza_cat]

@Zac sesz "runs out of ammo faster than any other perk in the game" Hey, buddy! I think You've picked the false argument. SWAT club is two blocks down.

[@quintinnowak-wolff7658]

@Zac sesz uh commando has HE grenades

[@nevokjashin9488]

DUDEEE I LOVE YOU ❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@GerardoSantana]

Referencing my favorite action movie. My dude

[@lewisgrundy676]

5:30 that blout went flying

[@thekenjistream8683]

When I got the day one when it was released in EA, Commando was THE class I was playing. I didn't like Berserker and I didn't give a try to medic nor to support at that time so it was my go to class. And boy do I like the AR, the AK and the SCAR. Plus now we have the MG it's really a fun class to play. I was on a 6 players team for the Halloween challenge of 25 rounds and I was playing this class with the MG. Now I do really like the FAL but I feel like it's either too heavy or it doesn't have enough ammo

[@harmless2170]

M16 is my favourite of them all. Its my go-to-weapon with commando. Its high RoF and low recoil combo makes it easy to put whole magazine into fp face. Dont mentioning the buffed m203.

[@GorgeousGeorge056]

We might see an MKB-42 Buff in the christmas update my dude

[@RichardDangles]

I'd love to see this, even if I have to update my MkB video.

[@doommaker4000]

@@GorgeousGeorge056Im pretty sure it starts in 15 minutes. It will also come with Thompson which may be a crossperk for Commando and SWAT

[@doommaker4000]

Yeah, sorry, forgot about that. It's probably because it just feels like a Commando/SWAT weapon. However, that doesn't automatically mean it can't get a crossperk, since as of now we've seen only 1 survivalist perk weapon :D PS: Aaaand the beta got postponed. Goddamit, i thought I'll be able to play today for at least 0.5 hour

[@bavonyffels4750]

Oh but I really like the mkb-42 tho. Combine that bitch with a FAL, and you've got yourself a killer combo.

[@hamzahussain7794]

I love SWAT and Commando so much. They are really fun to play. I like SWAT a little more because I dont like the commando's starting weapon

[@crunchbite0108]

I usually go SCAR and Stoner with full left side perks. Mainly because i always seem to find myself reloading during zed time. Might try to swap out the stoner for the FNFAL though, just to see how it works~

[@BENECK5]

Nice guide . I need to try AK never use it,always prefers scar and 401/m16

[@zadristok_live]

Holy shit the music at the end is so loud! But the guide was good, i mean, i spend over 600 hours as Commando, and watched it for entertainment, and tips was actually right.

[@october7510]

(I play medic when needed) BUT One of the reasons i HATE playing medic is because i cannot stand how ugly the guns look.

[@harmless2170]

With the exception of 501. This thing looks like it came straight from deus ex

[@october7510]

@@harmless2170 I was actually going to edit my comment and say that exact same thing

[@spurdomies546]

I like the designs but they aren't as diverse as other classes.

[@crunchbite0108]

The only reason I hate playing medic is when part of the team (or at least one person) decides to run off on their own and not stay with the group

[@thespecialist4442]

The worst part is the sound they make

[@tranottrey]

Godamn richard that intro music almost killed me please insert a headphone user waring but anyways great vid

[@Jojje4567]

SWAT is more fun to play IMO, but there’s no denying Mando’s utilities helps tremedously for any team. Have to admit i prefer Tactical Reload over High capacity mags though. The extra bullets are useful, but i just can’t stand most of the stock reload times on Mando’s weapons. FAL and SCAR are the only exceptions.

[@Jekezio]

Reload time isn't too bad if you use reload cancel.

[@kylephilipe8347]

Stop saying mando

[@AceManRevived]

Nah man reload speed is a must

[@thepurplebandit3859]

​@@kylephilipe8347no

[@quintinnowak-wolff7658]

Well the cool part is the m16 gets the damage bonuses for both bullet damage and explosive damage when in the hands of the commando

[@ashcookson2810]

Commando is my favourite perk class. Best load out in my opinion is HMtech 401 upgraded and SCAR H upgraded with extended mags

[@Mr._Sherwood]

I see that Horzine Armour you have there. I love that outfit, usually because I pop it on Reverend Alberts with brown hair and glasses for a Scottish Gordon Freeman. Oh yeah, Commando's fairly cool. I'm too much of a sucker for the Stoner, and the SCAR's low clip size always annoyed my admittedly spray-and-pray style when playing Commando.

[@n3rf0r30]

It's pretty surprising not many people know how to properly extend as mando, I ended up making a very good friend that way :)

[@Warlundrie]

Another well made video as per usual I'm sure, but I'm so early it's only 360p z.z no offense Richard but I'm waiting another 10min to get some hd quality ^^

[@_Gandalf_The_White]

A note about the GODLIKE M16-M203 for commando, use increase reload perk and your grenade launcher reloads faster YES THAT'S RIGHT, this allows you to take on groups of quarter pounds which can be a lifesaver if your team is distracted also, the impact damage if the fuse doesn't go off is enough to stumble large zeds such as the scrake, I don't have to explain all day why a machine gun with a 60 round mag, impact/explosive secondary that reloads as fast as demo (demo shouldn't be using reload+ anyway but w/e) that can stumble large zeds and atomise large groups of trash ALSO you can fit an upgraded SCAR with a fully upgraded M16. TBH that's just a bonus of this legendary weapon that I think it's utility to adapt to almost any situation is sorely underrated.

[@DoctuhD]

If your team has 2 level 15 Commandos, can they still reach 6 extensions or will it cap at 4?

[@teomuehle8662]

Man what song is playing in the background it's so dope

[@Hanfgurkenhasser]

4:46 "Acustically pleasing weapon" that sounds like it's firing 1.5 bullets per shot. I love the sound, but the audio guy was sleeping on the job last update. Reused sounds (looking at you full-auto FAL and Zed Time HM Tech 501!), weak sounds, it's a mess. :c

[@lilman7466]

Ar15 single fire with rapid fire controller OP and fun asf works for dual 9mm pistols also

[@blackknight9156]

I wish I knew the name of that BADASS INTRO SONG.

[@hassandabo6288]

I like to use the Scar H because i got a cool skin for it and then the FAL

[@Malachum93]

Why would you go for an ak-12 with your medic rifle when you can have the scar instead which is better than the ak in all aspects besides mag size?

[@jbzhummerh2gamer]

I like the Bullpub & Stoner combo. Sadly it fills up my weight 15/15 & neither can be upgraded. (I really wish we didn't have to keep the pistol if we didn't want to.)

[@EatOreosHD]

At 3:40 right when you threw the grenade and the music started playing was so satisfying

[@synchronium24]

Is there any reason beside dosh price to prefer the AK-12 as your base weapon over the SCAR?

[@stevenbobbybills]

Magazine size, insane burst fire rate of fire.

[@elephantt2077]

I really want to love Commando and SWAT, but lacklustre DPS against large zeds pretty much discourage me from choosing

[@BlackRedDead1943]

What is the used track from the beginning in the video? (*.*)

[@Cryptikal00]

Stoner + Sentinel + C4. All Perks on the right side. Maybe swap extended mags for tactical reload, but the drone will kill anything that tries to attack while reloading. C4 for Fleshpounds. Ess gus, you try.

[@oldschoolhoxton8843]

Honestly, I was surprised you took those controlled difficulty guys seriously after how they were to you, especially on that one commando video. I don't think you should ever feel the need to set your shit to private, no matter how wrong it might be...

[@RichardDangles]

It was a tough call, but there were things that I thought were wrong with some simple testing. I agree with you totally, they were extremely disrespectful at first contact. While that may be because KZbinrs, as a general rule, tend to be a bit resistant to criticism, they made little effort in being polite (with some exceptions). However, I will admit their tune did a 180 after showing genuine interest. It is true you will always catch more flies with honey, the truth is the truth regardless of its presentation.

[@oldschoolhoxton8843]

@@RichardDangles I'm glad it turned out well in the end.

[@amathy9690]

we're toxic

[@TdogplaysCOD]

Amathy is tosic. But the LSD will live on forever.

[@joshua0333]

That opening riff in the intro gets louder everytime

[@RichardDangles]

Rip headphones.

[@ZeR-hw3to]

Does somebody know the name of the intro song for all these class videos ?

[@xxivancraftxxtutorialesyma7709]

what's the song at the beginning? ;-;

[@KellyZyeG]

Skill Selection : 9:32 Weapon Loadout : 11:09

[@lance415]

Man, I am really out of place in this game... I love the L85A2, but reluctant to use the AK12. Pretty sure I'm not the only one who's like this, but it sure feels like I am lol.

[@freemansfreedom8595]

You are not the only one, the L85A2 just feels right and the AK doesn't feel right IMO. I know the "correct" choice is AK, but damn if I care.

[@devinmorrison2805]

Whats the next perk video ur doing next?

[@poopmonkey48]

The AR-15 is so uncomfortable to use that I always ditch it at my earliest convenience. I much prefer the LA-85

[@lethalfumes]

Same

[@ApexZer0]

Upgraded fal and base m16 all day

[@thetute59]

I think any class has decent lvl25 perks, so the commando gets a peak in value in lvl25 lobbies. Dont know if its been changed but I personally go for extra damage instead of extra HP/Armor. Normally I pick up at least one medic weapon (depending on the need), and never the extended mags so far. Guess Im gonna try that.

[@MoVySaN]

You should always start with HP/ARMOR and then swap so that you may start the game with 25% free armor for better economy. This will take a bit of practice but wave 1 can be handled with just your knife, preserving your ammo for wave 2 and as such avoid needing to shop. This of course implies you went with Fallback.

[@m22d889]

Love to play as the Commando due to sheer extensions it can bring. :D Only thing I hate is that I am awful against fleshpounds. Scrakes are manageable for a Commando in a clutch but fleshpounds? Rip...:(

[@djtrac3r935]

Manpreet Bhamra If I see a FP, i just hope we have a SWAT and Demo, because the SWAT can stun, and the Demo can decapitate them or blow them to shreds

[@mutilationgaming2978]

Richard can u do us a vid on the new update. Some changes in there 👍

[@TacticalSocks]

Good commando + good swat (both lvl 25)= one of the best things ever

[@pizzaman928]

Why did he say to not use the launcher on the m15 against flesh pounds?

[@theedelgado100ed]

Idk if anyone is still watching the videos. But do crossover weapons get the bonuses of your perk?

[@CuulX]

Yes, yes.

[@ega_rante]

MKB + M16 is my best weapon Loadout :))

[@stevenbobbybills]

Gonna be real with you, chief, the MKb could do with a bit of a buff, it's outshone in every category

[@TheJackel410]

I would like Commando, buuuuuttttt... zed time only seems to ever activate when I'm starting a reload.

[@dougbright4387]

Kinda wish the commando had a skill that activated zed time after x amount of time or kills. Would be kinda cool. Rather than it just being random and activating at the worst time possible lol

[@xanderhebert6257]

So it’s basically pointman from fear 3, assault rifles and enchanced slo mo capabilities

[@vegasbeebi]

How do you activate skills?

[@mysticalacer94]

Stoner 63A LMG all the way!

[@bruhgaming3142]

Interesting. I honestly find commando and swat similar

[@aryafrost9432]

I really hope they make the swat more distinct and rework him. Imagine having a riot shield, and more incap abilities.

[@luissanchez-fm7cb]

Is that a mod on the king fleshpound? Never seen that before

[@un-capital3666]

It was an event, aka free, temporary DLC.

[@mattecus.blacketus]

Literally my best class, but my holy Trinity is with field medic and demo😂

[@NotTheBomb]

Fun asf load out: Stoner and Tommy gun. Bullets for days!!!

[@870gamer4]

What is the intro music Rkchard

[@lorddemonoss3945]

I'm rank 3 swat and commando.

[@kevyn.r]

Do a demo vid with m32

[@pompersuf5214]

What difficulty is he playibg on?

[@lorddrungip7461]

What is that song called?

[@JackRabbittm]

My biggest issue with High Capacity Magazines is a bit more personal. I suffer from this horrible gaming disease called "Chronic "R" Button Syndrome" where I treat every fucking gun like it's a shotgun and reload after almost every encounter. This is why Support is one of my main played classes behind Field Medic and Berserker and why Tactical Reload works a bit better for me when playing commando. Also since I played with shotguns a lot, I also have gotten pretty good with controlling even really high recoil which is why I don't really need Hollow Point Rounds.