Interesting content, look forward to each upload and learning more
@ts3024 жыл бұрын
Loving the data! Thank you Richard.
@fordhoarder4 жыл бұрын
Awesome video Richard. I love the IAT and timing data on this one
@flux_core_fx Жыл бұрын
Every time I have a question, Richard has tested it. Thank you!
@james107394 жыл бұрын
You should get one of those gauges from Banks that gives you air density
@GrimReaper5287774 жыл бұрын
I have it in my Audi and it is awesome.
@joshuafarwell97617 ай бұрын
You mean a maf
@james107397 ай бұрын
@@joshuafarwell9761 basically
@gofastwclass4 жыл бұрын
Wow, thanks for all the data and the dyno pulls in the video Richard! Great work! Wish you guys were running a MAF on the Westech dyno and had the ability to calculate manifold air density but I don't think the Holley stuff can run a MAF. I think if you could see the manifold air density it would show why more power was made with the intercooler vs. without.
@genemounceSr4 жыл бұрын
Every single time I hear the words VS racing gen 2 7875 makes me want one even more !
@MemphisTruckMafia4 жыл бұрын
Always great content can’t wait too test my 4.8 turbo setup, you helped me a lot with understanding turbo builds the proper way
@bradenmolloy74434 жыл бұрын
Great test hope you have watched some of Gale Banks testing on his Diesel engines he has some giant MAF sensors that he uses to measure all of the air data 👍👀
@timothybayliss66804 жыл бұрын
I think lots of his work he uses the stock motronic ecu and edits the tables in them, especially if he is doing emission compliant stuff. He is really attentive to airflow data and afr though, I don't know if he could keep everything as clean as he tries to using speed density.
@jrcaprai4 жыл бұрын
I was hoping for Gas Intercooled, VS E85 Non Intercooled... I'd love to see That!
@richardholdener17274 жыл бұрын
E85 WINS I SUSPECT-WE CANT RUN 20 DEGREES OF TIMING ON PUMP GAS
@a2cryss4 жыл бұрын
I was wondering the same thing. 91 with IC and e85 non-IC
@shadjohnsen81433 ай бұрын
@@richardholdener1727 Hey Richard, just watched a Steve Morris video where he ran a big block blow through carb setup with a centrifugal at 17 psi and 1300+ hp at 6500 rpm on 93 octane pump gas with no intercooler, timing locked out at 28°. Did a plug read and everything was good. When is an intercooler really necessary for a blow through setup?
@joshuafarwell97617 ай бұрын
The e85 will cool the charge a lot running no intercooler (to the point of not needing an ic), but to get the same maf you'd need to increase the boost pressure (in some cases putting the turbo into a more efficient zone on the compressor map). The other part to consider is that with higher iats comes the ability to run richer alcohol mixtures while still having good vaporization. More vaporized alcohol = more power because alcohol is oxygenated and absorbs heat. If you run the same setup at the same maf values, intercooled vs non-intercooled, the non-intercooled will be making more power because the combustion is more efficiently turned into mechanical force. Not to mention intercoolers weigh a lot and are restrictive like a catilytic converter.
@sinistersilverado9654 жыл бұрын
cool another turbo video
@wildwildwes37284 жыл бұрын
would it be possible to use a intercooler from a junk yard maybe off a diesel or something? i think it may make a cool video if it is possible.
@richardholdener17274 жыл бұрын
YES IT IS POSSIBLE
@joseiracheta38174 жыл бұрын
That's a cool idea
@808redneckify4 жыл бұрын
Why not a junkyard build using parts found at a yard🤷♂️
@viperboy4034 жыл бұрын
I've used a factory 6.7 powerstroke air-to-water intercooler with great success on a turbo 5.3. very compact and efficient!
@timothybayliss66804 жыл бұрын
For a video it would be a kick in the nuts. Almost every diesel has a big or.huge air to air intercooler and they work great on the road but not so much in the dyno cell without a huge fan and air exchange. On the dyno an air to water charge cooler works really good when you have thousands of gallons of room temperature water to pump through it. I like guys swapping a diesel intercooler into their turbo gas trucks. They are really big and have all the factory parts for a clean installation.
@1509archy4 жыл бұрын
Comment for the algorithm 👍
@johnhazel99864 жыл бұрын
Adding a boost gate on the intake side plus a turbo tach would allow you to control the turbo RPM and compressor flow. In turn that would let you keep the compessor at max efficiency. That would let you stay in the highest efficiency zones of the compressor map. That means a cooler charge going into the engine. (You would still need to keep the standard waste gate)
@azlandpilotcar44504 жыл бұрын
Interesting that boost/backpressure crossover is at almost the same rpm as torque/hp. I looked at the "jagged" temp reading chart a couple times before I realized that the irregular part of the boost was only about half a psi. Good video.
@richardholdener17274 жыл бұрын
SCALE IS IMPORTANT
@StavTech4 жыл бұрын
The boost response thing is interesting, and exactly what I've found too- Despite everyone claiming bigger intercoolers and longer boost pipes make things more 'laggy', in all testing I've done, and that's a fair bit, bigger/better intercoolers tend to give the biggest jumps in performance at low/mid rpm when the boost is first coming in.
@AdamOpheim4 жыл бұрын
The intercooler richard uses flows a TON! The typical horizontal flow air to air intercoolers most use don't. Not many street cars run an nice air to water setup like the one used in his tests. Put the crap EBAY IC most use on it, and do the same test. At the typical boost level of 15-20+ and you'll see more like an 8psi difference in boost at the same WG setting. So the non intercooled setup does typically have better response. Also spraying meth pre turbo in large volumes improves response and gains boost. Still wont' cool the charge as much as a nice A2W, but it helps a little and is great for eliminating detonation.
@StavTech4 жыл бұрын
@@AdamOpheim not talking about flow or boost levels. Result has always been the same be it an eBay intercooler or a big name one. If its big enough, and intake temps drop significantly, the dyno results always have shown the biggest jump in performance was at low rpm when it's first coming on boost. Same peak boost numbers etc, and the only thing can realistically put it down to is drastically lower intake temps.
@AdamOpheim4 жыл бұрын
@@StavTech But you have to incorporate flow, IC efficiency, and boost levels because they are directly related to response. If the turbo has to make 30lbs to see 20 at the intake. The "response" will be effected. If the ebay A2A is only 50% effective at reducing charge temps while The A2W unit used with cool water is 95%+ effective... You won't see those drastically lower intake temps with the typical A2A. How many guys are running an A2W fed by 60-70* water? It makes the test much less relevant to what we would actually see in our cars.
@StavTech4 жыл бұрын
@@AdamOpheim I’m not talking about anything like he has. I’m talking dyno proven back to back tests on various relatively low power 4cyl turbo engines, comparing stock intercoolers to aftermarket upgrades. And the results always have been the same when the before intake temps were bad with the stock coolers.
@richardholdener17274 жыл бұрын
I TESTED ATA AND ATW, OF VARIOUS MAKES, THE CX RACING ATW COOLER DOES EXACTLY THE SAME AS THIS PROCHARGER UNIT. THE ATA CORES FROM CX RACING DROPPED THE CHARGE TEMPS THE SAME. 8 PSI DIFFERENCE? NO
@sixx6sixx1074 жыл бұрын
This is why I love Richard 😁
@vasilispants82414 жыл бұрын
So Finally: Is it better with or without an I/C when running methanol? Do a test please!
@StavTech4 жыл бұрын
Technically, with still. If weight and complexity is zero issue. But often the benefits are not worth it, hence most don't. But some do because there's still power to be had.
@Brock_Landers4 жыл бұрын
Technically, either is good, but most people who don't have enough space in the engine bay to mount either an air to air or water to air intercooler, meth is a great alternative, but meth added to an air to air intercooler can make a big difference. I haven't experimented with meth injection, but I usually do see a big difference in air intake temperatures with air to air intercoolers.
@richardholdener17274 жыл бұрын
IT ALWAYS HELPS-BUT WEIGHT
@AdamOpheim4 жыл бұрын
@@Brock_Landers The caveat is the IAT drop reported doesn't match the HP gain W/ water/meth. Even when sprayed in each runner with equal distribution. The sensors that measure the temp drop are saturated and report back false data. If the IAT sensor was right, METH inj would be more efficient than intercooling. If the Charge temps were really as low as the "wet" sensor reported, the power would increase on par with the temp drop. IE if the sensor says it dropped from 300 to 100, the HP curve should rise just as it would with a good IC pulling 200*. But it doesn't! Water/meth is great at pulling heat form the CC. Its more like race fuel and prevents detonation. Sure there is a small amount of charge cooling, but It's NOT an IC! It will NEVER perform like one with the small volumes and mixtures these kits are spraying.
@Adrianzx4 жыл бұрын
Yes the intercooler helps
@chipcurrey6534 жыл бұрын
Spoiler
@Adrianzx4 жыл бұрын
@@chipcurrey653 I feel like I've already learned too much because in the intro to videos I already know the results, but I still watch to verify
@460Tang4 жыл бұрын
Don't forget, where the fuel is t Introduced into the intake makes a difference as well. I would guess that the same engine/ setup while non-intercooled would make more power with a throttle body injection vs port injection.
@joshuafarwell97617 ай бұрын
Yes. The e85 will cool the charge a lot but to get the same maf you'd need to increase the boost pressure. With higher iats comes the ability to run richer alcohol mixtures while still having good vaporization. More vaporized alcohol = more power because alcohol is oxygenated. If you run the same setup at the same maf values, intercooled vs non-intercooled, the non-intercooled will be making more power because the combustion is more efficiently turned into mechanical force.
@hydrocarbon824 жыл бұрын
I'd bet the boost response is from the extra exhaust volume made from more air pushing into the cylinders caused by the denser air. Almost like artificially increasing displacement a bit.
@richardholdener17274 жыл бұрын
MORE POWER - MORE EXHAUST FLOW-EQUALS BETTER RESPONSE
@NarxolepticCustoms4 жыл бұрын
Great info!!!!
@richardholdener17274 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@davidcunningham004 жыл бұрын
This is what I got out of this, get your turbo and injectors in, run e85 and set the tune and have low boost, when you can build money back up then get intercooler and turn her up I mean UP.
@russelljackson70344 жыл бұрын
Right on
@cameron8784 жыл бұрын
Great info! What’s the most power you’ve made on a non intercooled engine on e85? And when would you start to worry? I know a very subjective question!
@19jody724 жыл бұрын
I had a rental truck back in the day for a short period of time. It was a red ex cab GMC. I floored it from a dead stop one day and I pinstriped the asphalt road for almost a quarter-mile!! I was like holy
@ronalddrummond45804 жыл бұрын
Richard would the long length of a rear mount turbo and e85 offer enough cooling to run 15 pounds of boost on the street without an inner cooler?
@richardholdener17274 жыл бұрын
rear mount testing is happening
@ronalddrummond45804 жыл бұрын
Thanks for all the hard work your doing 😀
@AdamOpheim4 жыл бұрын
Yes... and even without that extra cooling 15lbs is nothing to run non intercooled on E85. I run E60 on 19lbs without any issues. With remote setups you want smallish diameter piping all the way to and from the turbo. 3" piping to and from kills the setup. For 15lbs you can run 2.25 to the turbo and 2.5" charge piping. The response difference will be night/day. I wish there was more dyno testing here with hotside and cold side piping diameter changes. I ran a 2" divided hotside at over 1000 crank HP 4.8. (thats 1.88" ID) The difference in response was huge. And my 4.8 spooled the big T6 S480 no problem. For guys making 500-600hp. I'm betting there's little reason to run over 2".
@mikebell91664 жыл бұрын
The math says there will be more power added by an intercooler, because the IC frequently has turbulators inside the tubes for better heat exchange. IF the tube from the rear has turbulators installed, and IF there's equivalent surface area for heat exchange, then possibly you could get away with no IC on a rear mount. Run the equations that are in Bell's or MacInnes' books and see what you'd end up with, IC vs.Non IC. You have to assume a great deal with these equations, but if you run different starting temps, to account for changing seasons, you can get an decent idea of how your car will respond. I plan to run an A2A IC on my rig (Chevy 250-6, blowthru carb) and I'm only figuring on 7 pounds, because the gas I can get is a bit sketchy sometimes. For me, the A2A IC will be detonation insurance.
@ronalddrummond45804 жыл бұрын
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@timothybayliss66804 жыл бұрын
You can also scale airflow from lambda and pulsewidth. If I had to guess, the run with 530ftlbs torque probably had an injector pw of about 3.5ms at 5300rpm. These are really big injectors, like enough for 1700hp on e85. If they intercooled run had the same afr and you know the injector pw you can estimate the airflow, it's not perfect but it's a proxy for airflow.
@pmd7771969 Жыл бұрын
The benefits of e 85. Cleaner emissions A cooler engine May not need a radiater Won't need an intercooler Can get at many local pumps The bad Twice the fuel consumption. Bloodviking, racen, engine builder
@minnick994 жыл бұрын
Richard, you should look into some of the new quick-response IAT sensors that have come to market recently. The IAT should mirror the boost curve as the air temp will rise instantly when compressed. Hyperaktive sells a nice one that I will be installing shortly for pre-IC temps. Also, have you found that you will see a corresponding rise in EGT when the IAT is higher? Thanks
@hugieflhr034 жыл бұрын
You definitely can here the the turbo spool earlier on the inter cooled runs! That thing sounds like a jet engine!
@richardholdener17274 жыл бұрын
it is much happier with the IC
@timothybayliss66804 жыл бұрын
I have a really reasonable question about the balance on this engine...you say it uses gen4 rods and some lr4 engine have them factory, some. If it has gen4 rods are you using a gen4 crank as well? I read one post where the swap on a LQ9 had a bob that was 52grams heavier. I know the pistons might be lighter though how much when the replacement has a dome is questionable.
@richardholdener17274 жыл бұрын
IT WAS BALANCED-GEN 3 CRANK THOUGH
@stephencarter14424 жыл бұрын
So John Doc talked smackdown. I need you duplicate his build. is it possible. And how far backwards do you have to go to really go optimize the 4.8 on a stock bottom end. You got this.
@richardholdener17274 жыл бұрын
still not sure what you are talking about
@88bladewings4 жыл бұрын
Can you do a test on flat plane crank?
@richardholdener17274 жыл бұрын
NO THNX
@yomomma13282 жыл бұрын
Wonder what the difference would be with an air to air intercooler?
@pmd7771969 Жыл бұрын
Higher octane fuels don't make much more power 7nless you add compression or more boost for the fuel being used. A switch to pure alcohol may get you 60 to 80 hp from, a big block. So take full advantage of the e85. And without an intercooler you will not get as much turbo lag and not clutter up the engine bay as much with no intercooler. Bloodviking
@AirCapitalHotRods4 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see some i for on water-meth injection. I saw you on an episode of engine masters, but glazed over the set up.
@jr78racer4 жыл бұрын
I would love to see a test using a refrigerated intercooler using the a/c system. I'm especially interested in seeing how much of a temperature drop that's achievable, and how much of a parasitic loss the a/c pump would be.
@Shiftheads4 жыл бұрын
Yes you can get pretty efficient small ones from electric cars that have fast DC charging or build something like the demon power chiller
@GrimReaper5287774 жыл бұрын
I run a Killer Chiller setup (AC chiller like the Demon power Chiller but better) on my Audi S4 and when I forget to turn the AC off before a 1/4 mile the car runs about two tenths and two mph slower.
@Phil-rs5wl4 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see this type of test with the engine running on methanol. I see a ton of people that don't run a intercooler when they're running methanol.
@thegdfp64474 жыл бұрын
Injector location test, PLEASE!!! LOL
@johnhazel53854 жыл бұрын
Could you edit in a segment that looks at 7psi with IC vs 10.5psi non-IC? This would be close to a scenario of what happens IC vs Non-IC at 620hp boost levels. I would like to see power&torque curves, Boost&back pressure curves. and temperature curves.
@phonypony5.04 жыл бұрын
Is this your answer to john doc's challenge ? 😆
@richardholdener17274 жыл бұрын
WHAT CHALLENGE?
@phonypony5.04 жыл бұрын
@@richardholdener1727 he challenge you to a spool contest
@chrisrichardson89084 жыл бұрын
I have a 4.8 in my truck. I. would love to have that kind of power
@sanger4404 жыл бұрын
Great test! IAT were climbing but no apparent damage. I would say no brainer forget the IC up to the 10 psi you tested in E85. It just begs the question, how high of IAT can you go with increasing boost non IC before damage? We know methanol can go very far non IC but how far can Non IC E85 go? Maybe food for thought some day for another test. Thanks.
@AdamOpheim4 жыл бұрын
It can go VERY high *IF* you know how to tune for it. My IAT pegs 255 (max GM sensor reads) well before the 1/4 on 19lbs Its fine. And I only run 60% ethanol. Read about this guy. He won drag week non-intercooled with an 8.50 ET average. www.hotrod.com/articles/chris-bishir-wins-ls-fest-drag-week-back-back/
@minnick994 жыл бұрын
The actual IATs were not climbing. The sensor response is just slow. The IAT would follow the boost curve if the sensor was fast enough.
@stuartcornall53064 жыл бұрын
Results shown are typical. Rule of thumb I use is every 4'C colder gains 1% power, normally aspirated. Turbo's gain more as density goes up. Would have been an interesting result to do two runs and throw 2 degrees timing each run at it. intercooled.
@richardholdener17274 жыл бұрын
I DID TIMING CHANGES WHILE TESTING
@stuartcornall53064 жыл бұрын
@@richardholdener1727 keep up your good work!
@dwightedwardson63904 жыл бұрын
What about air to air ic?
@blakewhite7234 жыл бұрын
What size wastegate should be used with a 92mm gt45
@richardholdener17274 жыл бұрын
WE USE DUAL 45S
@delvysc244 жыл бұрын
What happen to the K24 ???????
@richardholdener17274 жыл бұрын
its coming
@jdmonly874 жыл бұрын
I'd kind of like to see this same test on a blow thru just to see if it makes much of a difference if any
@richardholdener17274 жыл бұрын
INTERCOOLER ADDS POWER EVEN ON A BLOW THROUGH CARB
@jdmonly874 жыл бұрын
@@richardholdener1727 I figured it would but it's just so many people out there that says it's pointless to do so and gains wouldn't be significant
@jimhodges34714 жыл бұрын
Is the procharger a/w intercooler worth the cost over cx racing intercooler?
@richardholdener17274 жыл бұрын
THEY ARE THE SAME AT THIS POWER LEVEL (IF YOU PICK THE RIGHT ONE)
@danielsullivan98654 жыл бұрын
I'm a fan of intercooler but there's one big negative its weight
@gordongullon1524 жыл бұрын
Meh. Add one more pound of boost.
@oct22744 жыл бұрын
@@gordongullon152 and be much safer with the ability to run more timing. there is no downside.
@AdamOpheim4 жыл бұрын
Weight and the pressure drop across the core with typical A2A ebay junk IC's every one uses. What street car uses an A2W w/ 60-70* dyno water on tap? Generally IC vs NON -IC gains aren't that high because the IC isn't that efficient. Also at big boost you can see a 5-10psi drop across the ebay A2A intercooler. Not to mention the engines on the motor dyno typically read 20-30hp higher than in the typically run config in a car. So instead of a 28HP difference at 7lbs you'd likely see at 10-15hp diff once the motors in the car with the junk A2A people use. You're basically talking less than the HP you'd see from raising the boost 1lb. E85 will support more boost and power than most people will ever make. So if you aren't going to run a nice intercooler, keep the junk IC off the engine.
@thegdfp64474 жыл бұрын
@@AdamOpheim some of that pressure is artificially created by heat.
@oct22744 жыл бұрын
@@AdamOpheim i literally know no one that uses cheap intercoolers. Your friends need to up their game
@tfixx234 жыл бұрын
New to turbos but why do you use dual wastegates on a single turbo?
@richardholdener17274 жыл бұрын
better control on the engine dyno
@tfixx234 жыл бұрын
@@richardholdener1727 thanks man! Does that matter on the street? I have a 6.0 w/s475 e85 ring gap, I’m a little worried about back pressure. Should I be? 13psi?
@jamesparker30274 жыл бұрын
Dose the timing curve change with IAT changes?
@richardholdener17274 жыл бұрын
NO
@tturi24 жыл бұрын
Sweet as
@ronniedueitt93094 жыл бұрын
You going do a 4.8 large frame turbo spool off with John doc?
@richardholdener17274 жыл бұрын
people keep asking about John-I don't know the guy
@ronniedueitt93094 жыл бұрын
@@richardholdener1727 called you out on his youtube channel yesterday
@sanger4404 жыл бұрын
@@richardholdener1727 John Doc is just another rich You Tuber that has more dollars than sense. He just does build after build with mediocre results. Just throwing junk you there to try and get more views lol!
@tundra2000boy4 жыл бұрын
What about carb applications, should you run a intercooler even though the fuel would cool it?
@richardholdener17274 жыл бұрын
IT STILL ADDS POWER
@lindsaydempsey56834 жыл бұрын
When you measure boost is that at the inlet manifold or the compressor?
@richardholdener17274 жыл бұрын
MANIFOLD
@thegrumpyoldmillennial3284 жыл бұрын
What AR was that 78/75? I know the gen 1 had a couple options
@bluecollarfox9164 жыл бұрын
Hey unrelated question.... if I increase the rocker ratio from let’s say 1.6 to 1.7 I know it changes the lift. But does it have any effect on the duration?
@richardholdener17274 жыл бұрын
VERY SLIGHT
@seagate404 жыл бұрын
Turn it up😂😂
@mr.know_it_all3 жыл бұрын
Should have used an air to air not a 70’ dyno water air to water. That would have been a better comparison. Actual street cars not iced intercooler tanks. Even a air to water on the street is 20’ over ambient.
@richardholdener17273 жыл бұрын
having run a ATW on the street for many years-mine was at or near ambient when cruzing with a good heat exchanger
@tortchevy4 жыл бұрын
where do you put the backpressure sensor?
@richardholdener17274 жыл бұрын
IN THE Y PIPE
@bradmaas68754 жыл бұрын
Intercooler on an NA motor
@edmundnlemadim84804 жыл бұрын
For what? All that becomes is an inlet restriction. NA engines take in ambient air.... intercoolers use... AMBENT AIR to reduce the heat incurred from compressing an intake charge. An NA engine will never need an intercooler
@bradmaas68754 жыл бұрын
@@edmundnlemadim8480 without testing it you just know it won't have an effect? Pesonally I'd like to see real numbers and since he has intercoolers and NA motors it shouldn't be to much of a problem.
@fhkqdude4 жыл бұрын
should have pump gas intercool vs e85 no intercooler
@richardholdener17274 жыл бұрын
PUMP GAS WOULD GET KILLED-CAN'T RUN ENOUGH TIMING
@oct22744 жыл бұрын
@@richardholdener1727 on the dyno with a single gear pull, yes, but in the quarter mile running through more than one gear the IAT's would be way higher and my bet is you would have to lower timing on the non-intercooled to make it through the quarter without detonation. It would certainly be an interesting test either way :)
@RustyTunedRacing4 жыл бұрын
I know at 28 psi and 19 degrees you get spaghetti rods non intercooled hahahha
@richardholdener17274 жыл бұрын
YES
@RustyTunedRacing4 жыл бұрын
@@richardholdener1727 I experimented this summer running non intercooled on e85! The internet says it’s a thing, I found out unless your spraying tons of meth it’s very not. Unless you run extremely low timing but still touchy at high boost. Also found it strange the rods tweaked to one side every time. Unlike pump gas which usually squashes the rod straight down.
@AdamOpheim4 жыл бұрын
@@RustyTunedRacing Depends on the setup and if you know what your doing. Good example of someone that knows what they are doing on a non intercooled setup below. Yes, a nice A2W would have made more power for sure! But is more power needed? Esp. for the typical street hotrodder? I'd say 8.50 average 1/4 mile SBE 5.3 that competed and won drag week with no issues is faster than most here will ever go in their toys. If you can make 1000+ HP without an IC... Why do 500-600whp cars need an IC with E85? www.hotrod.com/articles/chris-bishir-wins-ls-fest-drag-week-back-back/
@RustyTunedRacing4 жыл бұрын
@@AdamOpheim I don’t disagree with you at all you can run none intercooled but you are just always at the edge of detonation and you don’t usually want to be with a SBE thats already on the edge. So it’s really not worth it when you combine the loss of performance. I know it was hell of a lot easier to get my car to 8.6@160 with an intercooler on a sbe.
@AdamOpheim4 жыл бұрын
@@RustyTunedRacing Always going to make more power per pound with a *good* IC. BUt as the link I provided shows its possible. He later turned that setup to 32psi I believe and went 8.20's... then 8.1x's and hurt it. For most watching this, they aren't looking to run 8's. They are running garbage ebay A2A intercoolers on street cars. So comparing dyno cooled A2W runs VS non intercooled runs isn't a good comparison. I understand Richard can't run an A2A in a cell. Just stating the facts. For all the guys wanting to know if they'll blow their cars up on 10-15lbs non intercooled on E85 the easy answer is absolutely not. Probably better off without the junk A2A at those power levels IMO.
@pmd7771969 Жыл бұрын
I like Rich but some of his tests aren't fair or sensible. Bv
@bill21784 жыл бұрын
The extra heat reduction of the intercooler it’s probably requiring another 4-5• of timing so the non-ic curve wouldactually be more optimize than the intercooler one would be
@ChurchAutoTest4 жыл бұрын
Indeed, supercharged LSA/LS9 engines are able to run high 20's on E85 at 12-14 psi so 26-27 on this engine at 7 psi should be pretty safe.
@richardholdener17274 жыл бұрын
NO CHANGE IN TIMING
@ChurchAutoTest4 жыл бұрын
@@richardholdener1727 We know Richard, just saying there's even more power on the table with the IC setup
@pmd7771969 Жыл бұрын
Why would anyone run low boost with e 85. Pointless. The coast of e85 and remember it take 2 gallons of alcohol to equal 1 gallon of gas in millage comparison its like you get 8 mpg in your street car now 4 mpg on e85 abouts. So boost it on e85 until detonation with no intercooler then back of about 2 to 3 psi. Bloodviking
@richardholdener1727 Жыл бұрын
a 50% drop in mpg? That would be a big no
@daverr81634 жыл бұрын
Intercoolers are for people who run cheap fuels. Intercoolers are also flow restriction. You want to make big power non intercooled with cheap fuel get a BBC .
@GreatLakesLogger4 жыл бұрын
Sorry you are very poorly informed
@timothybayliss66804 жыл бұрын
Even if it is a flow restriction, a manifold referenced waste gate usually negates that and most modern turbos actually have a higher efficiency at a little higher pressure ratio when boost is this low. Almost every single supercharged or turbocharged race car will have an ice tank for the intercooler and q16 fuel if they can. Nobody would take an intercooler off to try to add power. His last video he added almost 30hp adding the intercooler and keeping the boost and ignition timing the same.
@daverr81634 жыл бұрын
@@timothybayliss6680 Does a flow restriction reduce power? Are there turbo engines making 1000 hp non-intercooled? how about 2000hp non-intercooled? 3000 hp? If X turbo flows 1000 hp does adding a intercooler add another 100hp to equal 1100hp total?
@kylegmc15004 жыл бұрын
ok Boomer....
@james107394 жыл бұрын
I don't think turbos really make power
@hayden60564 жыл бұрын
😂
@unclesquirrel69514 жыл бұрын
Personally I blame squirrels
@ryanaxberg92634 жыл бұрын
I think its time to get some new material
@tomnekuda38184 жыл бұрын
I am so damn tired of you running basically the same engine all the time......the LS Chevy. Oh, yeah, you throw in some others once in awhile but not much at all. You are about to lose an interested subscriber.
@piercesgmc91124 жыл бұрын
LS for life!!! Wooooohoooo!!!
@richardholdener17274 жыл бұрын
OF THE LAST 10 VIDS-1 WAS A 4.8l
@mrbigg72554 жыл бұрын
Isn’t most of this data, applicable to other applications?????
@duanehamn69964 жыл бұрын
Every video offers new lessons to be learned, thanks for the content