5.0L COYOTE VS LS! (4.8L, 5.3L & 6.0L) WHO MODS BEST?

[@mg-ss5tw]

You’ve gotta love the HP/Liter produced by the Coyote. Then again you’ve gotta love the HP/Dollar of the LS.

[@jameshenson4871]

How do you figure? There were heads, intake and camshaft in the LS engine . The Ford engine was run with a ported stock heads, cheap intake (the Boss is the cheapest option) manifold and a set of comp cams. The price of the cylinder heads and the intake on the LS cost a hell of a lot more than the Coyote mods.

[@milviodeleon4421]

@@jameshenson4871 find cams for a coyote under 1k...

[@nintendogamer5472]

@@milviodeleon4421 exactly you can turbo a ls for the price of a coyote cam swap.

[@brianmccants5098]

@@nintendogamer5472 or you can turbo the Coyote and not change the cams.

[@AnthonySvt_]

@@milviodeleon4421 well you are paying for 4 cams not just one.

[@markbunn8576]

For most people the LS is hard to beat due to cost, simplicity and availability. The coyote is a cool engine though if you can afford to build one.

[@dakota868]

Gen 3 mustangs are going 7's with unopened factory blocks.

[@tysoncrandell9726]

Exactly!

[@Dr_Xyzt]

The coyote is begging to be a cool high RPM engine. I think solid phasers, GT350 heads, on a 5.0 rotating assembly, with aftermarket cams, would be a killer 8500-9400 RPM deal that lasts a long time in something like a factory 5, or a notchback fox, or maybe a 2nd gen lightning. That said, the LS and BBC have a ludicrous amount of options. For example, A bigger camshaft might mandate 15% more engine RPM. But, you can get 10% more stroke, which nets you 5% more RPM range increase, letting you keep a stronger ring and pinion. Or, potentially 85% more displacement, with 80% the operating speed, for 55% more power.

[@jamessteinbeck]

And if you can fit it in your vehicle without losing g your mind.

[@NoobTypeR]

@@jamessteinbeck the Coyote fits in any rwd performance oriented Ford from the last 40 years. The only cars they don't fit well in are the early Falcon based cars from the 60's due to the shock towers.

[@rotaxtwin]

I'm impressed with the average power from the Coyote engine, they really did their homework on the fancy cam timing. Got a feeling that is really difficult to tune by the backyard mechanic.

[@177SCmaro]

It's getting easier as the aftermarket figures out vvt.

[@dennisrobinson8008]

VVT allows the cam phasers to be separately controlled. So a huge cam can have much of its overlap taken out at idle and low speed. The cam profile can also be retarded or advanced. Its like having several dozen cams available on the fly and being able to advance and retard them.

[@rotaxtwin]

@@dennisrobinson8008 Exactly. Thus my enthusiasm!

[@dennisrobinson8008]

@@rotaxtwin Are you familiar with any of the cam specs on the coyote side? We already identified that the 4.8 and 5.3 have 9.4:1 compression from the factory. The coyote is 11:1 stock. Each full pt of compression is 4% more to and power. So the torque curves on those 4.8 and 5.3l would be 6% more at each point or much closer to the coyote. Plus I suspect a 224 hi lift cam would rather 10:1 or greater.

[@rotaxtwin]

@@dennisrobinson8008 no, I know nothing about the cam specs. It sure seems to be able to give it the right valve timing at all engine speeds, and the torque curve shows it. Must be a dream to drive.

[@joshbergman5597]

This comment section should be great 😂. I just like the fact that whether you're a chevy guy or ford guy you have badass options with these platforms

[@TheModAddict]

Its a pretty great time to be a car enthusiast. Every camp has a great option.

[@nickmyers3681]

@@TheModAddict your budget/ mentality towards cost really is what dictates your preferred build. Hemi and coyotes way out price ls and sbc in general until you step up to the bbc platform. Chevy just has more options for every budget 🤷‍♂️ ford can be upset but Chevy plays the field better.

[@TheModAddict]

@@nickmyers3681 uhh..ok.

[@Turbochapman]

@@nickmyers3681 chevy aftermarket support is larger as well.

[@joshbergman5597]

@@TheModAddict I agree. I don't know why everyone argues. Build what you want and don't worry about what someone else does

[@skippy2987]

One advantage of the later coyote is the exhaust ports. They are 1.5" round. Makes for much better scavenging than the drainpipe of the early ones

[@dennisrobinson8008]

That's why 3v ain't so terrible. We know you can make a shit ton of power with a 1.6 or 1.65 single exhaust valve. Two exhaust valves with alot more port area kill velocity.

[@skippy2987]

@@dennisrobinson8008 modular motors were dominating engine masters until rule changes happened...

[@HioSSilver1999]

@@skippy2987 no they didn't.....not on power. The 4th place ls made more power than the top 3 highly customized mod motors.

[@glenalexander1555]

Richard I can't imagine how much money your videos have saved all of the motor heads on here, thanks for all the research and info you put out.

[@richardholdener1727]

Very welcome

[@OGbqze]

Most people will go LS or 350SBC or if you're Ford, you'll go 5.0 or 351w mainly because of budget. Anything else will cost thousands.

[@bearfoot25]

Im doing my first modular ford build and when im done i will never build another one again ill just swap to small block ford. SOOOOOOO much cheaper

[@itskarl79]

@@bearfoot25 Dude, I feel your pain... MMR sure getting rich though

[@shadowopsairman1583]

There are those who will go with 302,305,327 SBC. Even 265

[@InuranusBrokoff]

@@shadowopsairman1583 early 327...

[@nickmyers3681]

Weird you spelled bbc wrong

[@montycrain5783]

I’d love to see that 6.0 LS in a Government auction Colorado with a 5 speed.

[@SMSG-bl6cd]

Check out tommyfyeah

[@ejm406]

Check out sloppy mechanics

[@eldogvette]

I am doing one right now 6.0 liter Brian tooley stage one turbo cam 706 heads ported high performance corvette servo gt45 ebay turbo kit aem high pressure fuel pump 80lbs injectors

[@nopenone9399]

Why compare a performance 5.0 car engine to truck engines? Why not compare it to a ls1,ls2,ls3,ls6,ls7

[@19jody72]

They came in trucks too

[@nopenone9399]

@@19jody72 yes a version did in the f150 but not the one as the mustang. The one in the f150 was a detuned, lower compression set up and good for about 110k ready for a valve job

[@wainfiggitty]

When you change h/c/I that's exactly what you're making

[@freedomisntfree_44]

The v8 in the mustang has been in the trucks...... different intake cam wow

[@1rxck]

6.2 ls3 are used in trucks

[@jesusisalive3227]

Coyote is a beast! I have a 1949 Ford F1 that will be getting one along with a 6 speed. Should be a fun truck.

[@Tiovergudo]

You can also compare the new LT variants with the coyote

[@leepederson5254]

Tech vs displacement. Both good..

[@AnthonySvt_]

Now imagine tech and displacement 🤔

[@sirfer69]

@@AnthonySvt_ new 6.2s?

[@smackledorfmcsween]

@@sirfer69 SOHC 6.2, LT 6.2 or HEMI 6.2? 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@MikeSmith-ey7ku]

Hell yeah, they are all cool, I like the hemi too but a 6.0 4 cam could rule the world. Unfortunately looks like ford is going backwards to pushrods. Hopefully coyote sticks around

[@jcaj9002]

I bet if you rev that Coyote past 8k with a cj and a monoblade tb, it would make 600hp

[@danadamczyk3295]

A gen 3 coyote would definitely do that

[@Ws6Ms]

A big cam ls3 with an upgraded intake make 600hp and that came out in 2008

[@katkilr7685]

​@@Ws6Ms I run a stock coyote I did do oil/ crank gears. I am putting down 1xxx +rwhp 825 Tq. Let see you get that out of a stock LS. 😅😅

[@7000U9ZHIFT]

​@katkilr7685 that's boosted tho.. were talking na power here

[@littlebearish]

I work for Ford and I love me some Coyote, but I love me some LS stuff too. They are all pretty great engines. The LS stuff is so readily available and affordable I wouldn't think twice about swapping one into whatever project I happened to be working on. They're all pretty Damn Good.

[@smackledorfmcsween]

For those power levels that ls build isn't going to be cheaper. There's a reason why the crate engines are the same price. The coyote is actually CHEAPER google it it takes 3 seconds😑

[@welderteach]

I feel like I’ve waited years for this video. Love the coyote content!!!! Keep it coming

[@bowhite1293]

I've always been a coyote fan and this is coming from a guy that's only owned pushrod engines. I go to the NMRA finals in Bowling Green mainly to watch the coyote classes.

[@vxer1000]

Gen3 Coyote will make even more power with the higher compression, bigger valves, slightly increased engine displacement, and the intake that comes with the 2018 and up models. At that point, the Chevy camp would need a stroker motor to keep up which, obviously, becomes much more expensive.

[@Ws6Ms]

Nah proper parts the 6.2 ls3 is up to that task no problem

[@poormanprinting7837]

My last car was a 2015 mustang gen2 coyote. Now I had twin 64/67 comp turbos pushing 1k hp to the wheels and didn't change a thing on the Coyote but the intake I had a 2018 stock intake because they flow so well. The coyote is a very good motor. So now I'm going to build a 6.0 and see if cost to power will make a difference.

[@packhousetv]

Couldn’t agree more. Cubic inch limited, which murders its naturally aspirated potential

[@sherylellingson3538]

That's why we boost them.

[@dannyb5023]

It all boils down to how much air it can move. Charge pressure, displacement, and rev potential all increase power in similar ways. Bump up any of those, and an engine is going to make more power.

[@midnight347]

They can make quite a bit of power in na form with the right combo. They can rev to 8k or more out of the box pretty reliablely the oil pump gears are the weakest link and is advised to upgrade those if spinning to 8k alot although many have done it for a long time with no issues with the stock stuff.

[@mrzkeyser86]

The coyote is a cool engine but the LS is a much more cost effective platform. Not to mention it’s physical size and weight comparison. You could build that 4.8 with I/H/C for less than the price of a stock coyote and it’ll fit in almost anything.

[@thegalli]

When you start to consider dollars and pounds and inches it's hard to argue against a junkyard 4.8

[@harryguy76]

Which is why LS are so popular...compact, lightweight,cheap, plentiful with lots of potential...

[@Prestiged_peck]

@@harryguy76 LS will always be the king of cheap power, but if you put the same parts on a mod motor near the same displacement and itll always have more potential.

[@madmod]

Its all relative when I can source 4v 4.6's, 5.0 gen 1 truck engines, and even navigator engines just as cheaply as a 4.8. my local junkyard is plentiful

[@thegalli]

@@madmod all the OHC ford motors are physically large, I've got a mark VIII donor waiting to be gutted hopefully in 21 so I'm not against em at all. I am considering stuffing the 4v into a 76 Datsun 620 that was already modified for an SBC back in the late 70s. The tape measure says "maybe" Or I can go get a shitbox 4.8 and it's the same physical size as the SBC that it already accepted.

[@madmod]

@@thegalli They are light for as huge as they are though. Hell a triton v10 is only 630lbs. Thats only 100lbs more than a lq4.

[@albertgaspar627]

Talking about the price of the Coyote is like talking about the cost of a 426 Hemi--ya wanna play, ya gotta pay. or "speed costs kid, how fast ya wanna go?". Still a video like this is good, showing not always is there "no replacement for displacement". and for some of us, a cheap LS with nitrous may reach our goal if we can't swing a Coyote (since there's other costs, like lack of power steering, the throttle by wire gas pedal, the extra computer for an automatic transmission, and so on).

[@brycebodine9832]

Looking at the ls blocks that you have on here look like gen III and gen IV ls motor which years produced anywhere from early 2000s up to a 2013. So the tech is older than the coyote which came out couple years before the lt motor. There is also a lot more aftermarket parts for the ls compared to the coyote, in addition almost all ls parts are interchangeable with each other

[@caseywest5278]

I agree totally the coyote is great but finding and building one is expensive along with the other displacement issues is the biggest problem but it’s one of the best engines built today! And one of the funnest, plus the resale is better

[@mddunlap03]

What’s crazy is that the stock gen3 coyote output. Have long tubes and exhaust ,cai ,tune on e85. Mine did 547hp to the wheels through the auto box

[@edburr3227]

No it doesn’t lmfaooo makes probably 480-90 on a good day

[@drewinhou]

Lol. Do you lie alot?

[@andyvega31105]

🧢

[@midnight347]

I love fords and coyotes but don't spout lies. If your dyno did in fact say that it's waaaayyy high. You're in the upper 400s on its best day. You can get up to 520-530 with cams and cj maybe.

[@reloadnorth7722]

I have owned all 3, Chev, Dodge and Ford. I am not product faithful; I buy what attracts me. But I will say without hesitation that the Coyote engine is very impressive, when it takes an engine a full litre larger ( 302 cu in vs 364 cu in) to compare. I would love to put a coyote in my 1948 Ford F47 truck project. Stay safe everyone.

[@carculturenation2166]

I’m going coyote all day every day!!! The stock bottom end is handling some crazy power. I’ve seen so many stock bottom end stock heads and cams coyote mustangs running in the 8s with 1000whp to 1100whp. But they have that stock bottom end with built factory 10r80 running 7.6 in the 1/4 mile in a 18+ mustang which is not light.

[@marshalleng1933]

Gen2 coyotes can make that much power. Gen1 not so much. But yeah the 18+ are heavy af and capable of running low low 8s and high 7s in the quarter mile, with factory sealed engines and transmission.

[@marshalleng1933]

@Jack Russelle Lewis take your Great Value Walmart shopping ass somewhere else🤣

[@madmod]

Its time to test the Ford 6.2 sohc. The big valve 2v heads flow fantastic and the F series trucks are showing up in junkyards more often. Now that the 7.3 is out, tons of old 6.2s will flood the market.

[@x1boomer]

👍🏼👍🏼

[@luciankristov6436]

That 6.2 needs a forged crankshaft option and it would be an endless destroyer under boost... Jesus Christ that would make absolute hell on earth . Those gnarly ports on the heads are ridiculous! Ported almost 400 cfm . Wtf thats nuts

[@madmod]

@@luciankristov6436 Stock Ford 6.2 crank is forged steel in all applications. Cores are available for just over $200 brand new oem. These 6.2L will get more popular. I guarantee it.

[@DBSSTEELER]

The only drawbacks I can see with the Coyote is size and cost wise you may as well do a big block.

[@brucepeters4734]

I got my coyote gen 1 with Boss cams for $500 bucks. Im a Ford man why would i put a coyote in anything except a Ford. Im putting mine in a 97 Mark viii.

[@joeethereal2968]

We're planning an LSX swap in a '10 Panther P71 Vic.

[@thollingsworth4910]

Your mark is gonna be awesome.

[@smackledorfmcsween]

@@joeethereal2968 🤔 that has what to do with the op again? J.H.C😭 you chevy people are the Honda guys of muscle cars.🤣🤣🤣

[@ngrybrd-jt6cp]

I have one in a 95 thunderbird best thing ever

[@brucepeters4734]

I have a 95 Tbrd also lowered ported polished PI heads Ron Anderson na cams

[@brillowolf]

One thing to keep in mind with Coyotes is that the people modifying them typically aren’t doing so with a mind of keeping them NA. They’re being modified for boost. As such, putting in cams and porting the heads doesn’t start showing significant gains until you get to big boy power, I.e. well over 1k whp. And more than a few Gen 3 Coyotes have seen up to 1100 whp on stock bottom ends w only springs added to the heads.

[@joshreynolds729]

This is true but if your going to mod to different designed motors anyways like he did then obviously it shows that the ls is superior through 70% of the power band and shows a higher tq curve and hp gain modded than the coyote na of course. Yes maybe the coyote can rev high making up the difference from displacement but who really cares when I can make a much bigger displacement then even a weak ass 6.0 l. In fact the only way the coyote can win is in a higher roll race or a top speed 2 mile on boost vs a ls with big displacement modded with all the same goodies for much less and better tq range and power curve did you look at that shaky ass power curve the coyote was putting out and it’s not just that one either I’ve scene many with that same curve. Sure for a stock running block bottom end on boost alone to mod with boost yeah coyote all the way but if done right for drag racing digs and even roll racing in the lower rolls the ls all day I would even say it’s better for road racing as the corvette and Camaro have set many records in the past on many tracks not saying Ford hasn’t either but seems like a better all around choice that’s a better bang for the buck.

[@rreno496]

@@joshreynolds729 hahahahahaha Thanks for the laugh. As usual it takes GM more displacement to match the power of a Ford motor. As usual a GM fanboi comes along to spew nonsense about how superior the GM motor is. Some things never change.

[@joelstockton9955]

@@rreno496 As usual it takes Ford 4 times the cams, 32 valves, and hybrid injection to compete with a pushrod engine, peak power is only impressive to number chasers, have fun with your overpriced pile of garbage.

[@AllKindsofGainz]

Peak numbers don’t tell the whole story. Look how much sooner the 6.0 makes power and carries it throughout

[@CanIbeFrank]

And look out how much further the Coyote revs out and carries it's torque. I used to read Rich's articles years ago in muscle mustangs and fast fords. He's been at this for a LONG time. They're both good platforms. LS cheap and easy, Coyote for screaming high end power.

[@dangerousfreedom4965]

6.2 for the win!

[@Texas_Road_Warrior]

A 2018+ coyote would’ve made even more power than then gen 1... more compression, direct injection, better intake manifold, etc... they’re making 500 at the crank in stock form, the 460hp ford clams is wrong 😂 I’m thinking FBO a new coyote would make 600+ on a engine dyno

[@nopenone9399]

I agree with all kindz of gainz peak power doesn't show how it does on the street. I have people come in all the time wanting a cam and single plane intake with yes on a dyno will show big power but a dog on the street. All are great engines though. The 5.0 does love rpm but you loose longevity with that

[@CanIbeFrank]

@@Texas_Road_Warrior easily

[@tigrcky]

I'd love to see the same kinda comparison with the gen 5 LT

[@tundatime]

The problem with the coyote is the size of it. Its huge in an engine bay. Id love to see a breakdown of HP vs engine dimensions comparing pushrod to DOHC. As things go with the dyno graph id rather have the 6.0 because of the torque. More power without revving it out.m

[@jamesfuller8864]

It would have been nice to see what the 6.0 would have done with the variable valve timing.

[@jamieK111]

Did you have to run Perrier instead of dyno water through that 4 cam Formula Ooon motor? :) Have to respect those Coyote motors. Pretty stout. Great test!

[@persioabreu7376]

This test went pretty much as expected. My only qualm is that all 3 of the LS engines you used were low compression truck engines. I feel like if you had built any of the LS short blocks to comparable specs mainly compression, the results would have been vastly different. I think the 5.3L would have put on a comparable show to the Coyote. All in all great work as always and keep up with great videos.

[@dennisrobinson8008]

Good catch on compression. The truck engine had 9.4:1 compression vs 11:1 on the coyote. Raising the 9.4 to 11:1 would give 6% extra power

[@suprastargte]

My dilemma with this comparison is 3 against 1 is stupid , why not test the new predator motor from ford or the vodoo motor as well 3 comparison against 3 to REALLY see which manufacturer can really engineer. Old innovation vs new innovation

[@pwilly7]

Fords answer to low TQ dohc is compression. Pretty much every one of these comparisons the 5.0 has over 2 numbers of CR on the 4.8/5.3/6.0. Ford did a excellent job on the coyote. A 12:1 4.8/5.3/6.0 would be interesting.

[@The1st60ft]

A more fair comparison here would've been the 5.0L Coyote from a truck vs the 4.8, 5.3 and 6.0 which were all from trucks as well

[@mruelas93]

A truck coyote would give the the same numbers. The only difference trucks and mustang coyotes are cams and intake manifold.

[@woodgrain18]

One of the coolest little motors I put together with stuff i had laying in my shed I took my 2000 ls1 block from my Camaro and i did a half fill on it I ended up with a set of D.S.S forged pistons thier cheapest pistons 3.89 some how and with gen4 4.8 rods and crank with stock 799's with a big turbo cam from LJMS it made good power and was running when I pulled it and sold it. It had to be making almost a 1000whp with a cast wheel s480 t6 1.32 housing in in my 3200# 4th gen f body with a th400 w/brake and badass PTC converter and went consistent 5.60's turning 7800rpm on every pass. I think that motor is still alive in turbk foxbody in Tennessee thats almost a 4yo motor

[@c0c0asauce]

If I was shopping for a V8 to put in one of my cars I'd rather have a Coyote than almost any LS but the entry price is too high. I have too many projects to waste my money paying unjustified premiums.

[@vinceconstanzo6657]

Coyote motors are like the ls vette motors. Still very expensive compared to the truck ls.

[@c0c0asauce]

@@vinceconstanzo6657 That's why I said almost. I'd take an LS7 over a Coyote to put in my Miata for example but I'm not the guy who buys expensive engines. I buy cheap engines to swap or buy cheap vehicles with expensive engines.

[@aldoospino524]

So you are using truck motors from junk yards versus a brand new motor that goes into a sport car 🤔

[@chrisgallimore9083]

It would be interesting to compare the costs of modding the coyote vs LS. Double/triple cost for Ford cams, Double the cost for 4v cylinder head porting. Cost per HP would be a interesting comparison.

[@traxxasrcfun]

Plenty of people have done it. The coyote gets smoked per dollar, but is also a better engine. I cant wait until they are abundant in junkyards and just as cheap.

[@joe1273]

They don’t need ported heads or cams. Add boost and e85.

[@midnight347]

Ported heads aren't triple the cost. Cams cost more because there is 4 but not as much more as gm fanboys wanna make it out. Doing a proper cam install on an ls costs alot more than people let on. The coyote don't even need cams or ported heads to make big power with boost. That's the whole point. It'll also drive like a stock car at 700-800 wheel with a boosted stock long block.

[@midnight347]

​@@traxxasrcfunmaybe on an na build but when boost is involved you can make alot more power alot easier with a coyote. You don't even have to touch the engine at all. Even a gen 1 stock long block can do 700 wheel or better. Gen 2 and 3 can go much higher.

[@TheTeeroy32]

As a die hard Ford guy I have to agree with the Richards assesment at the end. The Coyote is an awesome motor, especially with a small displacement. As an Aussie I'm lucky to be able to cheaply turbo a 4L straight six, be it the old SOHC that my 97 Falcon has, or the mighty Barra. I'm more partial to the older single cam, can be made to sound like an old school racing six, think old Jag or BMW, though never as good as a big cube V8 revving it's tits off.

[@Prestiged_peck]

Day one of asking for a war of 5.7s 5.7 LS (or small block) vs 5.7 hemi vs 351w (yes I know that's technically a 5.8) vs 5.7 toyota. You might leave out the ford motor or replace it with a 5.4l to get it more even. Edit: just had a thought, we could test a new age gt500 5.8 against all the other motors if you want to!

[@andyharman3022]

The Toyota would be cheating. It's a 4-valve.

[@TwoLotus2]

All the Toyota performance fans will flock to their cellphones to see the test and break the internet.

[@richardholdener1727]

ONE OF THOSE IS NOT A TRUCK ENGINE

[@robertelmo7736]

@@richardholdener1727 I'm confused, which one is not a truck engine?

[@Shutchohole]

@@robertelmo7736 I'm assuming the 5.7 LS. Since the LS truck motors are 4.8, 5.3 and 6.0

[@Spad68]

I'm sure with the coyote 18 and up intake the numbers woukd also change . Using a syock head is pretty cool to see the numbers . Imagine the numbers if the coyote had aftermarket heads .

[@broncobill54]

Put a 4 valve head on an LS engine then compare. 4 valve will usually/always breath better than 2 valve heads. Cudo’s to Ford for building the more advanced engine.

[@Smasher-Devourer]

Pushrod engines respond better to cam upgrades than Coyotes do. A stage 3 cam in a Coyote yields maybe 30-40RWHP. In a 5.7 Hemi, a stage 3 cam yields over 100HP, though once you're into the cam, springs, pushrods, etc you're looking at $2K to cam either engine. Coyotes may have that limitation, but they still make good power and take mods well. Like others suggest, raising the CR on an LS might make it a better contender.

[@NeverLetOff]

More Coyote content please

[@Johnnyeatsitall]

Really wish you would do an ecotec build! Perhaps a junkyard l61 2.2 with a junkyard blower? I just love the look on peoples faces when they see these forgotten gm/Saab 4 bangers blow past em!

[@ryotaryuu]

You need to start throwing some Gen III's in there.

[@backyardbassvideos7292]

Thank you

[@Texas_Road_Warrior]

I was just thinking a 2018+ 5.0 would’ve made way motor power than the gen 1

[@justinkeckhaver8199]

It's a shame that when Ford designs engines (or anything else, for that matter) they don't really ever seem to think about what hot rodders and/or the aftermarket will do with their stuff. Or the people that work on them, for that matter. And as a die hard GM guy, I've watched Ford guys make more power from similar sized engines and mods for years, but they spent almost twice the money to do so.

[@sherylellingson3538]

@@justinkeckhaver8199 Sometimes it's not just about doing it for less. Anyone can mod a small block chevy. Some like a challenge.

[@SH-fr2xm]

@@sherylellingson3538 “sometimes” but the majority of everyone into this don’t have $20,000 laying around or they have a tight budget to work with.

[@canadianmarauder1923]

I’m surprised how well that gen1 coyote did. I really thought the 5.3/6.0 would blow that coyote away. I’m 10yrs behind. I have a 2v 3v and a 4v plus a gen4 5.3v but no coyote. I really want one now. Dang it Richard!

[@kenchristensen1244]

I've owned two Coyote cars and the motor is absolutely magnificent. Both are fully loaded s197.cars and both did 11 second quarters with a sticky tire. My current DD is a 2014 GT auto. There is a reason the Camaro stays at 6.2 litres...it needs it to match the yote. It does make more low end torque but that's just tire smoke..

[@177SCmaro]

If you think of displacement as another way to increase airflow it's interesting to consider that vvt, dohc, and 4 valves is worth about a liter of displacement.

[@bigblockford3059]

Awesome videos man! maybe when the time comes to the do the Ford 7.3 Godzilla. I got to see that and done. I seen a couple video where these dude was making Hellcat power but naturally aspirated. But their was no comparison from other manufacturers and other engine combinations

[@young11984]

Cant wait to see a $800-$1200 jy truck Coyote test

[@mauricecooper176]

18+ will be the boom As it is pretty much all mustang

[@larrygomez2219]

No matter what ls is still the way to go for a racer fewer moving parts can fit in more places half as much in price widely available great for a drag racer

[@joesredinferno1801]

Ohv has more moving parts than ohc and needs upgrades to those moving parts to be stable at higher rpm, more valves equals more flow, more flow equals more power.

[@jordanhamilton50]

I would love to hear your impression of the new Ford 7.3 gasser.

[@SuperSilvi1990]

Yeah I heard they were pretty good.

[@tc1254]

Shit fuel mileage 😂

[@OGbqze]

@@tc1254 fuel mileage isn't your worry if you're going for a 7.3. Go get a 1 Liter Chevy sprint if you want fuel mileage.

[@RumblestripDotNet]

RevEvan's channel has some tests from Brian Wolfe running one on they dyno.

[@tc1254]

@@OGbqze I was just putting it out there😂

[@DanielThomason1]

Saw some comments saying why compare the Coyote to a GM truck engine. I didn’t know GM come with the aftermarket intake, cam or heads! Do GM trucks come from the factory with those modifications?

[@scottgas1299]

No way you can compare a 4.8 or even a 5.3 LS against aa Coyote because of the 4 valve heads' advantage. This is a hard comparison because apples to oranges. Coyotes also cost a lot more to mod in n/a form. This is why so many Coyote guys go straight to boost. 1 more huge advantage of an LS is you can get a lot more displacement in the same exterior size.

[@jaydubb71]

#FACTS. Most Coyote owners don't even attempt to mod internally. Bolt ons, thats it. Then straight to boost. I think I know only one Coyote owner thats been in the engine out of the hundreds that I know. The rest are bolt-on NA or boosted.

[@midnight347]

@@jaydubb71 there is no need to mod the engine when you can make 800-1000 rwhp on an untouched long block with a power adder.

[@matthewstarnes9147]

Id love to see same compression, just to see the difference in technology, 4v dohc,vvt etc

[@whatsreallygoingon253]

Finally a fair comparison the 10 k ls vs coyote shootout was bogus they started chevy with a fully built race monster of a ls

[@richardholdener1727]

THAT WASN'T A VERY GOOD COMPARISON THEY DID-COULD BE MUCH BETTER

[@TallStarlite]

That's because west tech are Cheby fanboys and only support what they like.

[@luciankristov6436]

Yeah that was wack ! The 7x wasnt even a gm factory option. That was a straight race designed engine vs a factory engine. My only gripe towards the yote was that the builder didn't use the billet secondary chain.he used a stock chain. I new it was going to blow before it even ran over 1200 hp.

[@tysoncrandell9726]

How is it bogus? Dude it is based on cost. Not Chevy guys’ fAult a coyote is 5 grand out of a wrecked truck😆

[@rreno496]

Why do peasants always chime in about cost? If you can't afford it then don't race it. The Coyote is a superior motor across the board, and superiority costs money.

[@Link-we8so]

The later LS stuff also got variable cam timing which would help them. But no doubt the coyote is a stout engine especially for the size

[@montycrain5783]

How about a comparison with those and a 6.1 Gen3 Hemi ?

[@danadamczyk3295]

5.2 predator motor with a bump in compression would be interesting to see max effort NA numbers.

[@johnsondouglas2555]

I’m just waiting until he gets his hands on a Godzilla motor 🤣

[@shitbox7413]

Revin Evan already has Godzilla dyno videos...

[@Ruby5.0]

Coyote is so much better than the junk ass Godzilla

[@shitbox7413]

@@Ruby5.0 Let me guess, Godzilla is junk because it has pushrods? 😄

[@berryfod7670]

@@Ruby5.0 for right now that coyote is better but that Ford 7.3 gas engine is going to dominate the future

[@aw11man26]

Gorilla with intake manifold, headers, cam, and tune made over 600hp

[@Albee213]

I think the fact that it's small boar makes it utilize air flow better for low-end torque.

[@BigRedRocketScience]

When I hear good specific torque, I suspect higher compression. Is that the case here? Don't know if I missed it, but don't recall hearing compression ratios. Edit: Wikipedia says the early coyote was 11.0:1, and gen 3 LS truck engines were all in the mid 9:1 range. If compression were equal, I'd expect the valvetrai. To be upgradeable to handle 10,000 RPM like a Honda K24 (the coyote seems like two of those grafted together, right?), but it's always going to be expensive for us dirt-ball junkyard guys.

[@smackledorfmcsween]

Lol I poke at that ever vid he does and my comments get removed 🤣

[@Flitzer514]

Hmm, there are plenty of cheap VK56s in the junkyard. A test with VK56 and Kelford cams would be interesting.

[@rearl1869]

bound to be a lot of coyotes in junkyard by now 9 years after they started puttin them in f150s? best selling truck on earth.

[@hydrocarbon82]

Except only 1/4 of the trucks came with V8's, most were ecoboost v6's. My local LKQ in WI will sell you a 5.0 for $3400 or you can pull a 6.0 LS for $275 longblock (~$400 full swap w/tax) any day of the week.

[@jameswilson8907]

@@hydrocarbon82 agreed. Even the 5.4 is expensive to get from our local scrapyard at 1500, gotta be a mix of high demand and fords hyper inflated production numbers not showcasing that most of that era were 4.6 base model work trucks.

[@rzjk301]

Junk Yards know they can get a premium price for the Coyote vs the GM stuff that comes a dime a dozen.

[@smackledorfmcsween]

@@jameswilson8907 where I'm at if you hit a pull-a-part they're ALL the same price 😂😂😂

[@darrenmcfeaters6683]

Like to see a comparison between them to see who can me modified the most and still pass emissions testing.

[@AlexPerkins252]

Did you change the compression ratio in the LS engines though? I'm not trying to down the Coyote but they do have a higher compression ratio and it helps it make more power.

[@marshalleng1933]

Why change the compression ratio? This test only compares these engines with HCI. Also the CAI and the intake manifold On the coyote they used are garbage. If you want to change compression on the ls why can’t you change it on the coyote? Why can’t you change the 5.0l to a 6.0? Get fucked on your compression ratio buddy.

[@midnight347]

@@marshalleng1933 it's funny in the old days the gm stuff made more compression and had alot more cubes vs the fords (5.7 ls1 was like 10:1 or so I think and the 4.6 2v was like 9:1) but you never heard anything from them about compression in those days. They were up big on displacement and compression on those days. It was also early in the mod motor development. You can see with the coyote what 15+ years of mod motors in mustangs did for the Ford.

[@raymckinney604]

Nice test! I have two ls1s that have made 490/500 rear wheel hp na. Afr heads and Prc 227s on both...

[@granthenneke]

I love the coyote content! Gen 3 coyote would be cool to see!

[@CanIbeFrank]

Here you go kzbin.info/aero/PLK-pOY0PjSDGHOKQr9wxbViKXwi1iquLc

[@thetriode]

I would think that the valve curtain area would automatically make the 5.0 more potent in choice when dealing with a scenario where the valve lift is restricted. For the price difference in even a 6.0 vs a 5.0 I think you'd be ahead on a 6.0 in most cases. Both impressive engines though, would not turn either down.

[@aaronliddell4280]

Now do a test seeing how far power wise you can push each respective engine before they break, that’d get you some crazy views/comments. 👍

[@chadvalliere8697]

Somebody did. The LS won. The coyote blew spectacularly at like mid 1400hp. The LS popped a head gasket at almost 1600

[@Shutchohole]

It's hard to argue against the LS platform. I'm a Ford guy then a Chevy close second. I've got a 2009 Mustang and I've considered an LS swap over modding the 4.6 3v that is going to require to be "built" if I get over 500 torque to the wheels. The LS is cheap to pick up and mod. Blow it? Go get another at the junk yard. It just is a better platform.

[@maxie9506]

@@chadvalliere8697 I think I saw that one. It was a build-off or something. I think the coyote's belt kept slipping too.

[@maxie9506]

@@Shutchohole I just wish AM parts were more affordable for a 4.6. If they were I wouldn't have considered a swap.

[@aaronliddell4280]

Stupid, but I don’t like the sound of an LS engine compared to a Coyote or a SBF Windsor. That alone detracts me from wanting to change platforms. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@MLFranklin]

Speaking of rare Ford motors and high potential, whatever happened to the Ford 6.2 SOHC truck motor, first used in the 2010 Raptor XT? I see a lot of excitement in the motor-head press, but nothing that looks like a full supporting plan by Ford. It seems like the potential is huge with its 4.53" bore spacing.

[@merc-ni7hy]

this is sum pretty kool stuff.but i still wanna see sum y block stuff

[@tylerwidmer7088]

Power to cost ratio wins in my book every time cheaper cost to have the same fun

[@dee9117]

The heads cam intake 6.0 ls made more power everywhere!!!! And thats still a budget truck block against a top dollar ford coyote!! Use a ls3 or another comparable ls and will see then but the coyote is a beast none the less and id love to own and boost one but wayyyy outta budget very impressive motor just would like to see the more premium ls’s put against it 🤷‍♂️

[@G.M85007]

Of course the 5.0 it's great engine. But how much you think it takes to do cams and heads? Vs an ls . So I think for the money the ls is the best

[@houstonspeeds1610]

why nobody ever talk about the 5.7?

[@houstonspeeds1610]

@@luisavelar9883 ya u sound like a 4.8 guy but that's cool too bro, Ls is a Ls...lol

[@swaggass20]

5.7 ls1?

[@kylejones3619]

Okay but what was the compression difference? For science

[@83jward]

Love to see a video on lt (gen5) 5.3 and 6.2 vs latest coyote.

[@michoacanom4320]

Yeah that be awesome to see a 2018 coyote vs 2018 5.3 n 6.2 the gen 3 coyote has so much more power then gen 1

[@dieseldong4781]

Building an l83 for my 94 firebird formula mated to a t56 mansmission lt1 intake Lt headers stage 4 btr cam 4.10s in the rear I'm sure it'll make a decent amount over 400 at the wheels

[@dieseldong4781]

Ima put some ltx badges on it and nobody will be expecting it to be a 5th gen Lt lmfao I'm a be out there bamboozling folks

[@nopenone9399]

I would like to see the latest coyote vs a ls3 or ls7. Truck 4.8, 5.3, 6.2 don't have a lot of compression. The ls3 and ls7 are both over 11:1 compression

[@ryancompeau146]

@@nopenone9399 ls3 is 10.7

[@swaggass20]

5.0 is dohc Ls truck Motors are single in block cammed, for using a lot less and still being used in today’s project’s it definitely preaches power per dollar , availability vs buying an expensive expensive motor you won’t get around to finding or source parts for

[@brokewheels5]

Still holding out for the ford 6.2 sohc motor

[@BLKMGK4]

Richard I have a video request for you please! Take a centrifugly supercharged but stock motor of any size or make, measure horsepower and boost across the powerband. Upgrade the cam, heads, the intake - all the usual stuff. Do NOT change the pullies so the blower continues to supply the same airflow. Dyno test the motor again measuring the horsepower and boost and then overlay the two graphs. I believe it would be pretty educational and allow folks to understand better what "boost" actually is :) I don't think you've got a video that explains this clearly unfortunately, at least not that I've seen? Thanks!

[@mathewmarzette4067]

I'd like to see these combos with compression ratio the same as the ford

[@richardholdener1727]

THAT'S NOT HOW THEY CAME

[@mathewmarzette4067]

@@richardholdener1727 but the modded motors are modded. Y can't the compression be raised?

[@kevinarndt2011]

Now lets factor in total cost and also what platforms they can easily fit into without modifications. Also for the Coyote cost built you could have picked up some cheap turbos and turbocharged the 3 LS options and likely still been cheaper

[@marcharris4176]

Unfortunately you will buying those parts alot more as the ls is not as reliable

[@terrelltiller5710]

Yeah sounds like a Chevy guy I go to the junkyard and buy this there’s a reason it is in a junkyard

[@texasstreettunes1310]

Love the coyote but i got my 6.0 for $250 ready to drop in.

[@nickmyers3681]

Same got my 5.3 for 125 ready to drop in 🤣 even mention that and the yote boys get so butthurt

[@smackledorfmcsween]

@@nickmyers3681 all junkyard engines are around that price 😑. There's a reason they DON'T test PI head swapped 5.4's. That cr bump makes things so much more interesting. interesting.

[@nickmyers3681]

@@smackledorfmcsween not all junkyards at all. I’ve seen ls motors go for several hundreds at yards. Best place to find these motors is guys who give up the passion. 🤷‍♂️they’re out there. The junkyards got too much fame and now try to hold a premium. Or at least some do I mean it is their buisness after all

[@darrenmcfeaters6683]

Got my 351 windsor for 75 bucks out of the junkyard ready to drop in out of a bronco.

[@nickmyers3681]

@@darrenmcfeaters6683 Windsor’s are great motors but get slept on for 7.3s and for some ungodly reason pushrod 302s. I have a roomate who did this for example wants 400 wheel hp in an sn95. He “likes” the 302 yet knows they split. I tried explaining why 351w is a better option but 🤷‍♂️ still wants to go 302. So it doesnt surprise me you got it that cheap.

[@Wtroth72]

Rich check out the 202 iron block werewolf coyote block, 95mm bore 99 mm stroke aka 340 ci coyote.

[@junitoss83]

Coyote’s are great if you have the money. They’re expensive and kinda complicated

[@hdvictoryford5329]

Not anymore. The Coyote swap is just a couple hundred more. And it continues to drop. My Bud owns a garage that does these all the time. Just spoke to him. He had 4 swaps in his shop. Two LS and 2 Coy. He is a Chevy guy, and readily admits the Coy is the better bullet. And with the prices now comparable, most are following his recommendation to go with the Coyote. And by the way he owns and races a BBC-Mustang. That is to be converted to the Coyote? Why, more potential. Coyote class, sealed engine 3200 pounds. There are more and more guys running in the 9's with these stock sealed engines. The performance, reliability, and potential are with the Ford. It is a better design mechanically.

[@midnight347]

@@hdvictoryford5329 look there someone who talks facts and don't just repeat the same outdated talk everyone on the internet says. The coyote is clearly the better engine and when gm guys realize this they immediately bring up cost but that is the only thing they can grab ahold of...unfortunately for them coyotes are becoming more available and prices are going down. All coyotes don't cost 7500 bucks anymore like in the beginning.

[@CoreyGunzzz]

As an LS1 owner, yea it would have been awesome to see a 5.7 included

[@timothythomas1737]

Agreed

[@timothythomas1737]

Or 5.7 gto engine.

[@TORQUESOUTH]

@@timothythomas1737 which is an LS1 :)

[@jimjones4516]

Awesome video bruh , keep em coming .

[@SilynRaces]

Gen 3 coyote tests would be awesome to see how much more you can squeeze out when you take the crummy rods out of the gen 1

[@Fast351]

or even gen2. A lot of people making 800+ RWHP on stock bottom ends.

[@F_________________]

Awesome video! You should do the same comparison but with boosted applications between the two. That’s where a coyote 5.0 really shines.

[@MannyDelReal]

Stop lying bro 😂😂🥺

[@F_________________]

@@MannyDelReal I mean go ahead and prove me wrong if you feel that way lol

[@HioSSilver1999]

@@F_________________ it's easy to prove you wrong. Richard himself has proved you wrong. The engine that makes more power na will make more power boosted if all is equal.

[@F_________________]

@@HioSSilver1999 that’s where you’re wrong. Higher compression and better flowing heads means a Coyote makes more power pound for pound of boost than an LS does. I’ve got a 10.5:1 compression LS and a 12:1 compression Coyote. The Coyote is making 987 whp at just over 12 psi of boost. I’ve never seen an LS come close to that. More like 700’s to the wheels. You don’t even know anything about ford motors. You just assume your shit’s the best because it’s yours. That’s just dumb.

[@HioSSilver1999]

@@F_________________ you just made my point. If 2 engines are identical and one has 12:1 compression and the other has 10.5:1 compression which one makes more power Einstein? Boost is only pressure. Atmosphere pressure is 14.7 psi give or take a little.......think about it Einstein. 🤔

[@danielgreen232]

Like to see a cj ported heads l&m cams 5.2 voodoo vs a ls7. See how that works out!!

[@gjrt7573]

I would like to see more 5.0L theories and combinations. 4.6 modular for the sn-95 cars are crazy in terms of horse power. Cams going almost 100hp.

[@qnitroz]

So a new Coyote crate motor with CnC heads and cams and intake, 14-15k, a Junk Yard 6.0 with Heads and cam, 5-6k.. plus you have the size... Im really wanting to see the 7.3 Godzilla motor.. once the after market gets caught up.. THEN we will have something you compare. Imagine a 7.3 Godzilla Junk Yard with heads and cam..

[@177SCmaro]

I prefer the Coyote at this time because I'm kinda tired of sbc. Great engines but the LS is the vanilla of racing engines right now.

[@FXIIBeaver]

There is a reason for that.

[@johnparrish9215]

I agree to a point, I'm tired of the LS but for the cost of building a Coyote you had might as well build a Mercedes AMG.

[@shadowopsairman1583]

Grab an atlas

[@177SCmaro]

@@johnparrish9215 I've built both. The coyote is more expensive but it's not that much more expensive. And as you start going higher and higher in hp the price starts to even out. All racing engines are expensive.

[@177SCmaro]

@@FXIIBeaver They're cheap and plentiful. But everyone doing the same thing is boring.

[@mustangmadness4143]

You should try to get a new 7.3l ford gas engine and one of the 6.8l gas engines and run them. You could get a 7.0l LS to compare the three.