5.0L COYOTE VS 6.2L LS3, CAMARO VS MUSTANG, WHICH MAKES MORE HP STOCK AND MODIFIED? CRATE VS CRATE

LS3 CAMARO VS COYOTE MUSTANG-WHO WINS? 5.0L DOHC 4-VALVE VVT VS 6.2L LS3-WHICH ONE MAKES MORE POWER? DISPLACEMENT VS TECHNOLOGY-WHO YOU GOT? BACK IN 2011, FORD INTRODUCED THE VERY TRICK 5.0L COYOTE, COMPLETE WITH 4-VALVE HEADS, VARIABLE CAM TMING (VVT). HIGH COMPRESSION AND LONG-RUNNER INTAKE TO REPLACE THE TIRED 4.6L 3V. THE QUESTION IS, WAS THIS MOTOR ENOUGH TO DO BATTLE WITH THE MUCH BIGGER, 6.2L LS3? THE LS3 FEATURED HIGH COMPRESSION, HIGH-FLOW, REC PORT HEADS AND ARGUABLY THE BEST FACTORY LS INTAKE EVER OFFERED. HOW DO THE TWO MOTORS COMPARE IN STOCK TRIM ON THE DYNO, THEN AFTER A FEW MODS?

[@slightly.above.average]

This comparison makes more sense than your last video. Performance drivetrains from 2 rivaling vehicles of the same year. Dollar per horsepower, the LS drivetrain wins every-time.

[@mattkammeyer611]

I would love to see the latest coyote vs LT show down!

[@thetruthspeaker1978]

Me too..badassery at its finest

[@paisley2342]

The new LT's are making LS7 hp numbers NA. Crazy..

[@ChurchAutoTest]

@@paisley2342 Yep. Stock bottom end, mild head, BTR 225 or 230 cam, long tubes and E85 on a stock intake manifold is making over 600 whp, probably 700+ in Richard's dyno configuration. Think BTR is claiming over 730 hp optimized.

[@baby-sharkgto4902]

GM’s LT6 which is basically GM’s version of the Coyote (small displacement, 4-valve V8) makes 670HP naturally aspirated in 100% stock form.

[@HioSSilver1999]

@@baby-sharkgto4902 that's not gm version of a coyotah. The lt6 is what a 4v engine should be.

[@cantbsdave]

Adding boost to the coyote, even the gen ones stock vs stock LS3 is def where the Yote shines. 10 lbs of boost on both vehicles netted 80+ more HP in the Yote. I love the LS3 packaging for certain vehicles but I love the relatively reliable performance of the Coyote when modded then the LS3’s tendency to drop lifters and spin bearings. We had a few issues in our shop with Gen 1 coyotes but not at all Gen 3. Much more robust engine and makes significantly more power especially on boost. 1400 rwhp on 18 psi.

[@user-cl2ls7kz7o]

That's just not even a good comparison. Equal boost on both ls3 would still yield more power.

[@danilofraga4676]

​@@user-cl2ls7kz7oHow so? That's the most ridiculous statement I've ever seen. You can't come close to the same power on a LS3 with boost vs a Coyote without doing heads or a cam or maybe both. Stock vs stock a Coyote will do 1000+whp no problem. Show me a LS3, completely stock making a 1000whp+ without having to change the cam or heads.

[@JimmyJohnson7077]

​@@danilofraga4676no real reason to do heads or cam its more the lifters you need to do which cost not all that much but if your doing the lifters you mose well do the cam as it don't cost much either

[@user-vo3mv1it2u]

​@@danilofraga4676 People were making 1k HP out of an ls3 10 years ago while retaining the sbe.

[@danilofraga4676]

@@user-vo3mv1it2u Yes but that's not the comment I made. I said without doing heads or a cam. You can't.

[@larrydraper2118]

Now that was a good comparison! Maybe try the next comparison on a chassis dyno with stock production cars to see what they make to the ground! Thanks for the video!!

[@james10739]

This is a better comparison just based on cost availability what they came in its all pretty close because the coyote and 5.3l aren't really in the same category you can get a 5.3l and turbo it by the time you get a coyote so if you did a dollar for dollar the ls probably wins

[@Greenskies321]

That’s bc GM is unoriginal. The real measure of power is power per cubic inch: which the Coyote dominates. If it has even .5 more liters it would be equal after mods with less cubic inches

[@zacharymorris9917]

@@Greenskies321 specific output is literally pointless to talk about if you get NONE of the normal benefits. Coyote is less fuel efficient, less space efficient, less weight efficient, etc. In every possible metric, it is inferior. Compared to almost all other DOHC engines, it is abysmal. If having little pistons makes you feel better, then I guess keep sucking Ford off.

[@gettin_while_growin1512]

Yeah because it has 4 valves per cylinder. And variable cam timing. I rather have more cubic inch then having to buy 4 expensive cams.

[@james10739]

@Greenskies321 sure it is more efficient but there are lots of reasons why you would go ls over coyote like cost and does it fit but you do what you want and can afford and I'll do the same but it is ridiculous to just ignore that there is any reason why someone would choose an ls

[@zacharymorris9917]

@james10739 except, it's not more efficient. Coyote is bigger, heavier, more expensive, less fuel efficient, less reliable, and makes less power.

[@maybelive765]

When my kids ask me what the ultimate car was in 2010s, the C6 Z06 & Camaro5 SS 1LE are gonna be my answer. The LS3 is the quintessential big power motor of our time. Cam, heads, LSA adapter to supercharger- easy 800hp. Yeah, the hellcat & gt500 & voodoo engines are fantastic, but nothing comes close to beating the LS price/value proposition. Out of the big 3 muscle cars, the Camaro, yes, the one with the oldest and biggest engine, is said to be the "Track" car. Hats off to motown madmen.

[@JKZ103]

I know ford guys will say this and LS guys will say that... we have to consider yes the 6.2 does have the cubes but the coyote has 4 valves, overhead cams, and alot of other technology like variable cam timing and such.... the LS is your standard pushrod v8, easy to work on, cheap parts, and reliable. Both good its just what do you want? I'll stick with the LS and I have a ford in the driveway for reference. My first and last ford is good but the expensive issues they have yet to fix make it a pain in the ass.

[@andymartin4747]

Not so sure about reliable. Can't count how many cans we have had to replace on ls after lifter failure. But the dang cast oil pump Ford used on coyote isn't nothing to smile about

[@MastersOfMask]

@@andymartin4747, they are reliable after the active fuel management lifters are changed to normal ones. Ford is using the active fuel management on their F150s with the 5.0 coyote. I tell you what, those things are having issues.

[@andymartin4747]

@@MastersOfMask I agree with you on that. That's something they all need to get away from.

[@djcybercorgi]

Reliable? I've known two people with Silverados now that had the oil-thingy on the intake manifold break and spray oil all over. I forget the name of the part, but it has oil in it and now two people I've known have had the thing blow up. Meanwhile my 2.5 1993 Plymouth Voyager has been running for 2+ years with zero maintenance and a leaky head gasket. You want reliable? 2.2 or 2.5 Chrysler engines!

[@donniecahill5243]

​@jasonbryan8357 there is no "oil thingy" on any silverado or any ls intake for that matter. Nothing attached to the intake can spray oil everywhere, you're high

[@dennistate9951]

The Cobra Jet Intake Manifold is the way to go on the 1st Gen Coyote.

[@candyhandsjf7288]

That cj and better cams would pick up ALOT. I mentioned that on the last video: coyote vs 5.3 and he replied that the cj didn't exist when these tests were done.

[@dennistate9951]

@@candyhandsjf7288 the Cobra Jet has been around since 2014 or 2015

[@candyhandsjf7288]

@@dennistate9951 What does that have to do with what I said?

[@dennistate9951]

​@candyhandsjf7288 Sorry. I meant that the CJ had been around for a while.

[@candyhandsjf7288]

Yeah it has been around for awhile, it's just that THIS test from Richard on the coyote was done before the cobra jet came out. He did this test wayyyyyyy back when the coyote first came out pretty much, or not long after.

[@paisley2342]

Great test! Wouldve liked to see the AFR heads along w/high rise final results!

[@stlchucko]

Even the heads with a stock intake

[@dsm4959]

Cool video as always.. I’m sure many, many would like to see a comparison between a 6.2LS or LT and a 6.4L Hemi...

[@marcusking9078]

Ohhh I'm here! Yeah I'm loving it

[@DillonAuto]

The 5.0 torque reminds me of one of the Loch Ness Monster hoaxes, where 3 bails of hay are in a foot of water with a covering, giving it 3 humps.

[@redneckrevolt1]

I miss watching you break the engines down and swap parts and listen to them start up and run 😅 I hope to see that again

[@redneckrevolt1]

The pictures of the builds just aren’t doing it for me lol awesome videos still and love your channel!!!!

[@GrandPitoVic]

I have been waiting for this video. I am doing a Ls3 swap and next will be a 5 OH swap

[@rickymcu]

More horsepower and torque from an engine. That’s physically smaller, cheaper, more reliable AND easier to work on ?? That’s just a no brainer

[@kbtdadap]

even at 2x the costs?

[@EGGINFOOLS]

​​@@kbtdadapThe LS isn't 2x the cost. He's talking about the LS

[@boost1728]

@@kbtdadaphe said cheaper for a reason. Was not referring to the coyote lol

[@Teddyatlastwobrsincells]

Boost vs boost the coyote is nasty. But NA LS all day

[@rickymcu]

@@kbtdadap go home bro, you drunk

[@gettin_while_growin1512]

Love these vidoes buddy . only channel I know 🔥🔥

[@richardholdener1727]

thnx

[@dsm4959]

Always appreciate your content and videos. I’m personally more of an LS/LT guy, but I just wanted to ask; Why didn’t you replace the springs and go with a larger Camshaft on the Coyote Engine like you did on the LS3 ?

[@richardholdener1727]

we did-it made under 600 hp as I covered in the video-the bigger LS3 motor makes more than this 1st gen Coyote-the later Yotes do better

[@carlosv393]

If i may make a request for all these video's to include, fuel consumption. It would be interesting to see how much fuel or energy it takes to produce said power. Would be curious to see the efficiency. Either way love the videos!

[@km6832]

How would this be relevant?

[@tbyrd32able]

Love this

[@russelljackson7034]

Right on

[@km6832]

Still taking a coyote

[@genemounce8302]

I was JUST on Ebay looking at Gen3/MT82 drop-out packages for my '68. Perfect timing as usual R.H. ! 😎👍

[@169abr]

Get a Gen 2, much better gearing on those MT82’s and there’s no DI so the engine is much simpler.

[@sikrandall83]

Ford really needs to change the bore spacing on the coyote so we can make some 6.2 coyotes

[@stephenhodge6441]

Can you imagine the footprint that engine would have? At its small displacement it is already a much larger engine than the LS.

[@sikrandall83]

@@stephenhodge6441 it really wouldn't be much bigger. The heads are already the biggest component. The block is dwarfed by the heads. They could space the bores out another inch without adding much overall size

[@pimpovic2]

Ford has the 7.3 Godzilla, so there's no reason for that. Considering what might be happening with electrification we're somewhat lucky to still have the selection of engines that we have at the moment.

[@sikrandall83]

@pimpovic2 the 7.3 is a pushrod motor. I'd like bigger displacement on the dohc stuff

[@DuraSled]

This is a much better comparison then with Yote and 5.3 truck engine.

[@pauldejohn8710]

Hey Rich have you ever thought about testing a 3.5 EcoBoost or 3.7 Cyclone. I'm curious to see what oversized valves or porting can do for these motors.

[@169abr]

The ecoboosts need cooling mods first.

[@enigma9789]

@@169abr What cooling mods? Mine never gets hot. running a 5star tune, S&B Intake and cvfab intercooler

[@timmcooper294]

One comparison that would be super cool would be brake specific fuel consumption, AKA , a real comparison of engine efficiency. It would also be super interesting to de-stroke an LS3 down to 5 litres to do a very direct comparison of the two architectures , throwing a gen 3 Hemi in the mix would also be great. Never been a better era for the classic American V8......Sooo many choices and possibilities to fit any engine bay and budget !!!

[@Jr_5646]

I think destroking the LS would give the advantage to the coyote. Evening out displacement wouldn't be fair imo because the coyote would still have 4 valves per cylinder and 4 cams with independent valve timing. The LS being OHV has great packaging for big displacement in a small physical size but needs that extra displacement advantage to make up for its other disadvantages when it comes to moving air. I think a 5.0 DOHC is pretty equal to a 6.2 OHV considering 4 smaller valves flow about 30% better then 2 larger ones. Plus like Richard said, the dyno sheet doesn't tell the whole story. You can rev the coyote out significantly more then the LS which allows you to run more aggressive gearing. Thats why on the street the perform so equally. Probably better for the coyote on the street considering how flat the torque curve is. It doesn't blow the tires off as quickly as an LS. Both engines are great in their own ways IMO.

[@hydrocarbon8272]

Efficiency is a silly test for highly modded V8's. It's like trying to determine which wheel barrel has a lower drag co-efficient. If you do insist on that nonsense, you might as well also grab DOHC cylinder heads that fit the LS block. They're from the Mercury SB4 7.0L which makes 750hp natrually aspirated.

[@timmcooper294]

Oh c'mon now, settle down big guy!! We do these things for both fun and learning, don't get so wound up with attitude. @@hydrocarbon8272

[@HioSSilver1999]

@@Jr_5646 you can rev the ls just as far as the 5.0. And when you do it makes alot more power.

[@Jr_5646]

@@HioSSilver1999 I'm not saying you can't turn 8k rpm. That can certainly be done. I'm sure there are guys out there turning over 9k like a Nascar engine, but it takes a lot more to get there from an LS. With a coyote, you can literally bolt a cobra jet intake on it and pull to 8k no problem at all. The power isn't even rolling over at that point. With an LS you're going to need a big cam (probably a solid roller), CNC heads, a high ram intake where you have to cut a hole in your hood, and most importantly a valve train that's going to stay stable at that rpm. A valvetrain thats going to need constant monitoring, adjustments, and replacement due to additional wear and lash adjustments. There's a reason those Nascar engines only make it one 500 mile race at 9500 before needed to be rebuilt. Now if you are talking about a race engine only then that's cool, but Im more concerned with typical street builds. Something you could daily drive if you wanted to.

[@jeremyrichardson3112]

I would suggest taking the mercury DOHC and adapt that to a 5.3 with a cam for a good comparison.

[@danlonick800]

You haven't looked at the Ford Miami engine. It's based on Coyote, hand built for performance, supercharged as stock & was used in Ford Australia's Falcon GT & Pursuit models. Look at Ford Falcon FG2 (GT or Pursuit).

[@JstAbase_c6]

Hell, my 08 c6 base model made 503whp with that btr hot red cam

[@godsea1768]

392 hemi love

[@user-cl2ls7kz7o]

There you have it. They dont offer a larger displacement for a coyote. So which one is better?

[@CuhballoPerformance]

Let’s see LS7 7.0 VS Coyote 5.0.

[@pasolesoup7430]

Why not use the same Holley intake for both motors?

[@user-vd4pq7xj9f]

LS 6.2 VS GODZILLA 7.3 FORD🎉🎉

[@maybelive765]

No doubt, the coyote is a beast of its own in the modular family. They took everything they learned from the cobra 4v and turned it up to 11. They say the coyote is the V8 version of the GTR's VR38...

[@mattack6779]

I am familiar with both engines and they are both great performers. However, if I have to fix something major I can do any job on a push rod V8. Twin overhead what???

[@doolallyproductions7234]

The best part is not the hp and torque The best part is the price and ease of install Unless you have a corvette

[@longstroke1982]

used 6.2's go for around $7000 around here. Gen 2 truck coyote is $3500

[@doolallyproductions7234]

@longstroke1982 Doesn't have to be a ls3 it can be a ly6 lq4 l9h all 6.0 or 6.2 way under the price of a ls3

[@7000U9ZHIFT]

@@longstroke1982 brand new there 5700$ ????

[@richardholdener1727]

just no on $7000 used LS3s

[@longstroke1982]

Car-part, 6400-7000

[@crivera1728]

How about a direct injected 5.3 versus the coyote

[@matthewwolff3729]

They always use a big ls to give it the advantage. Do one of these with a 4.8 or 5.3 and see what happens.

[@richardholdener1727]

WATCH THE 5.3L VS COYOTE VIDEO-BUT THESE WERE THE CAMARO AND MUSTANG POWER PLANTS OFFERED IN 2011

[@larrypruitt3919]

Thank you!

[@danilofraga4676]

​​@@richardholdener1727Waiting for you to do a boost comparison. Everyone saying the LS wins hands down psi vs psi and mod for mod. Take a Gen 2 or Gen 3 Coyote, completely stock, and put it up against any factory LS, LT engine you want. Take the same boost source, Whipple, Procharger, whatever and keeping them both completely stock, start adding boost and see which engine out performs the other.

[@ericwilson2585]

I'm just wondering wich one is the cheaper one to acquire. But I'm the type of person who kinda prefers to build the one that hardly no one is building.

[@manuelramirez8203]

What’s the dyno machine I’m interested of running some causal Dyno runs in my home . U must have fun doing this .

[@richardholdener1727]

dyno=espensive

[@hechtspeed]

So mild cams in the 5.0 and bigass cam in the LS.....cool cool. Lol

[@richardholdener1727]

so 228 cam in Coyote and 230 cam in LS...cool, cool. But you bias is noted

[@hechtspeed]

@@richardholdener1727 the cams in the 5.0 were nsr cams but the cam in the ls was so big it was close to having piston to valve clearance issues. Seems like the ls got a much wilder cam. Ported heads on the 5.0 arnt exactly a huge upgrade either. But yes im a ford guy lol. How could you tell :p to make it worse i have a 3v lololol. All that said. Pretty hard to compare a 5.0 to a 6.2...even with the dohc advantages.

[@duhduhlovo1670]

Can you do Mopar 6.4 vs Chevy 6.2

[@hondatech5000]

👀 the comments on the next live stream 😂

[@richardholdener1727]

exactly

[@HioSSilver1999]

Good test...2 performance engines. Not a performance engine vs a truck engine.

[@shaadydog1]

exactly...

[@yaboykris2118]

I love Ford. And I know the coyote is a more “efficient” engine. But, I always hated that they used smaller engines compared to chevy. Like it’s said, there’s no replacement for displacement. I always wished ford did more with the SOHC 6.2L found in the 1st gen raptors, super duties, and f150’s. Imagine a “coyote” related DOHC 6.2L as an upgrade option on the mustangs and f150’s. It would scream. I know the 6.2 is more of a work horse engine but it does have racing heritage from the mid 2000’s and Is almost a modern day cammer engine. Hell, even if they kept the SOHC variant and the aftermarket picked up on it more it would still be a hell of a engine.

[@bowez9]

Sorry a BOSS intake is not an aftermarket intake it is a Factory part. So outside rhe cams all the Coyote got was factory parts.

[@EGGINFOOLS]

Outside of almost 1k in parts NOT including labor os almost stock? 😂

[@bowez9]

@@EGGINFOOLS didn't say stock but if wanted stock should have got a BOSS 5.0

[@zmanmd1641]

This is why everyone puts LS in the Fox Body Mustangs, combines the smaller lighter LS power with the lightweight Stang chassis.

[@larrypruitt3919]

Everyone does not do that transgender BS!

[@elchido3517]

​@@larrypruitt3919 hurts huh 😄😄😄

[@Boltdriver70]

Everyone lol? Fake news

[@redneckrevolt1]

Will the new 2024 corvette 5.5L flat crank ever go in a Camaro???

[@JohnThomas-vb9se]

I wonder how the 5.2 liter cross plane crank engines would fair with, headers, optimized tune? Then with cams and ported heads?

[@thomasdebord1144]

It would chuck a rod like a ton of them did.

[@169abr]

The voodoo? Like the GT350 engine? They’re monsters NA and boosted they’re insane.

[@JohnThomas-vb9se]

@@169abr not the flat plane crank engine in the gt350. The cross plane 5.2 engine. Like the gt500 has. Just N/A with ported heads, cams, ect.

[@169abr]

@@JohnThomas-vb9se NA they’d be gutless, they’re 9.5:1 compression. The voodoo is the better choice of the 5.2’s being 12:1 and not needing head work. Just cams and a Cobra Jet would be a very high revving NA setup.

[@Ka_Gg]

Nice making a ton of power and not needing 50 cams (ok, 4). The cost difference in just that upgrade is big. The simplicity of the LS is why it will always be the more favored option in general. Not really knocking on the coyote. I just like when something simple does the trick. Less potential issues, less sensors, less this and that.

[@scottythebody0811]

I’m a Ford guy and completely agree.

[@theeducatedredneck4144]

Less is more 😊

[@nicholasbrooks5651]

rock the flathead. the cylinder head doesn't even have moving parts.

[@kcdesignconcepts5216]

Compare the LS to the 7.3 Godzilla.

[@169abr]

Stock coyote cams have made 1300whp before, you don’t need cams in these cars.

[@michaelblacktree]

The new Coyote vs LT should be interesting. 👍

[@MastersOfMask]

I think that the new coyote engines are about 30hp to the wheels more than the old one. Some person tested all the coyote gens.

[@Turbogto_guy]

It’ll be the same outcome except the LT will beat it even more.

[@Day1Mechanic]

on our dyno most FBO (but stock intake manifold) coyotes run ~485 at the wheels on e85 and thats usually where cam, intake, and 2" primary LTH 6th gens with LT1s are on e85 as well. our tuner, who is chevy guy but an incredible tuner of damn near anything says that the coyotes are difficult to tune, especially the higher the gen of the motor is, but they drive so much better. Porting the mustang heads isnt really getting you that much power and neither are the cams without really good tuning which can take a considerable amount of time. you also dont need to put a converter in a mustang either, which is something no one ever talks about when going to these cam packages on LS/LT cars.

[@169abr]

@@Day1Mechaniccoyotes have a wild learning curve for tuning but VCT makes them insanely easy to drive. 700whp driving like a close to stock car is just wild to me.

[@Clobercow1]

Really makes me wonder how well and LS can do with DOHC... Oh. We now know with the corvette.

[@laborer4321]

I am lucky enough to own both. Love my LS rides but the gen3 coyote with a 10 speed is no joke. Great to see GM and Ford making some power

[@qward2174]

Do you have an A10 in any of your chevys??

[@laborer4321]

@qward2174 no, 2 fords with a10s expedition and Mach 1. I did drive and wanted the lt1 with a10 and liked its shift strategy better but dealer played games so I bought the mach 1.

[@HioSSilver1999]

They weren't making the same power tho

[@laborer4321]

​@@HioSSilver1999correct gen 1 coyote vs stock ls3. They both made great power for what they are. Where you on ls1tech back in day? I kinda remember that name and a car with small Tilton clutch, is that you?

[@HioSSilver1999]

@@laborer4321 yea that's me😁

[@luke-ns8bk]

All the ones ive seen you used gen1 yote stock tuned ecu. When you did the 5.3 vs yote and the liters were closer what happened? No chance junk yard special. Use gen3 next time.

[@richardholdener1727]

The Gen 1 Yote and LS3 were the market place competitors for the Camaro and Mustang in 2011 (not the Mustang Coyote and 5.3L truck engine-those are just close in displacement)

[@gaetanobondi5711]

Why are you guys doing it on the gen1? Why not gen3 coyote vs Ls3?

[@richardholdener1727]

THIS WAS DONE IN 2011

[@michaelholden5781]

Congrats ford it took yall until about 2015 to run with a cam only ls1. And only cost 4x more to build than a pushrod motor 😂 (im also ford guy btw)

[@e36singh]

Gen 3 coyote vs LT2 please

[@luisillo1987]

Just have to point out, because my friend use to tell me all the time. The mustang you should was a 2010 because the 2011 that had a coyote had a 5.0 badge on the fender not a Gt badge.

[@erikthegladiator]

Where's the test with bost? Which one can take the most before it pops lol

[@scotthultin7769]

39 👍's up Richard thank you for sharing 😊

[@IBEDAVE87]

Can you explain that goofy wave in the yote's power and torque curves? With VVT, could you iron that out with management?

[@davidthomas6628]

If I’m not mistaken, previously Richard linked the waves to the VVT

[@IBEDAVE87]

@@davidthomas6628 I figured that would have been the case. However, on an optimized cal, I'd believe that smoothing that out would be on the list of things to do. Maybe it's the OCD, or a touch of the tism but I personally wouldn't want that. I'd also assume that Richard's control over that is somewhat limited because he's using a stock PCM.

[@richardholdener1727]

the stock computer was tuned

[@02autogt]

These comparisons are HILARIOUS!!! The Boss intake came as a STOCK on the Boss itself and STILL had a STOCK 80mm throttle body. At the drag strip a stock Coyotes kills a cammed 6.2... Jeez this shit is so biased...

[@richardholdener1727]

WAAAAAAA

[@omygunny4978]

I'm curious how much power can the latest Coyotes make NA. Cause I know LT1s can make up to 700hp NA to the crank.

[@rustysausage69]

People have made 800-850hp N/A from coyotes, they have the kitches sink thrown at them though. For that kind of N/A power, it costs quite a lot more than a supercharger does.

[@Gmoney411zz]

I need a lt vs new gen coyote on boost.

[@pimpovic2]

What is the cost of an LS3 swap costing at the end of 2023? Which one has the cheaper build cost?

[@richardholdener1727]

those are not cheap either

[@02autogt]

PLEASE someone post a link to these "CHEAPER than a COYOTE" 6.2 engines...

[@urge8153]

You can buy used ones for way less than a coyote. Plus everything you need to build it is pretty cheap. Everything to build a 5.0 is expensive compared to ls parts

[@MastersOfMask]

Richard, I think that a Ford Godzilla V. LS/LT would be a fair comparison.

[@richardholdener1727]

new coyote vs lt

[@joseiracheta3817]

Godzilla vs lsx 454 is what I would love to see

[@shadowopsairman1583]

Might aswell get the LSX then

[@AndyFromm]

How does the 32v4.6/32v5.4/coyote compare to each other?

[@GroovesAndLands]

The Coyote SMOKES both.

[@andrewmontgomery1763]

Answered question haha coyote is farrrr more powerful.

[@rickymcu]

The 4.6 and 5.4 are DOGS

[@stevencoyote746]

The video I would love to see is what motor makes the most power on boost and of course E85

[@richardholdener1727]

I'll give you a hint-it is the one that makes more power na.

[@frankenstein01]

Which one has been faster in the 1/4? :)

[@longstroke1982]

Stock crank, block, and heads?

[@stevencoyote746]

@frankenstein01 I'm not sure but Brett I believe ran a 6.52 on radial tires

[@frankenstein01]

@@stevencoyote746 brett went 6.33

[@sshyshy6097]

ford is really great but expensive which makes it annoying and people hate struggling chevy is meh but is very cheap and easy which makes it great its all prefference

[@ChrisBrown-wk4qt]

Compare Hemi

[@thetxwildchild]

Am I leaving too much on the table putting chopacobra in 6.2 L9h ?

[@richardholdener1727]

there are cams that will make a lot more power, but do you want that at the expense of drivability or the need for a converter

[@10r80sergio]

Would’ve been nice to be seen boosted

[@randydudenhoffer9245]

the price of things would be nice too. never happy

[@anthonyanderson1479]

Bigger motors make more torque 🤙

[@stevethomas1301]

Now its time to do Godzilla V LS

[@shadowopsairman1583]

LSX

[@sean5comet]

Still prefer the Coyote, I just like them more.

[@bradmcgrath358]

any reason you didn't use an NSR cam in the LS and a comparable single throttle manifold? Surely if you going to do a comparison you'd apply the same rules to each competitor?

[@richardholdener1727]

no matter what intake we run, the LS3 made more

[@bradmcgrath358]

@@richardholdener1727 I'm not saying it would be the difference between the LS making more or less then the yote. (and I don't care which one makes more power) just that comparisons should be somewhat equal. otherwise all you doing is saying, if I modify this engine this way, and that engine a different way they make different power. As tested, it was ported heads with mild no springs needed cams and factory intake vs stock heads with a bigger cam and springs and a tunnel ram. You normally do make it very close comparison when do this stuff, but I think this time no so much.

[@stevenhanna6973]

The coyote leaves the ls in the dust when you add power adder

[@sportsmansparadice42]

Which on is more reliable performance? LS platform or Coyote?

[@rustysausage69]

both. very reliable platforms.

[@Turbogto_guy]

I have a test suggestion. No one has seem to have done this, at least where I’ve seen. Take a small cubic inch engine like a 5.7 ls1 and put modified ls3 heads on it. You’d have to chance to smaller intake valves and seat and then have them flow the max they can. Then use a baby cam to start off with and go up a couple sizes. The popular “theory” is it would have horrible torque down low and would be a bad street engine. I believe the opposite. I believe it would have good manners with a small cam and large head flow.

[@richardholdener1727]

be easier to put a 4.8l crank in a 6.0l and then run rec port heads.

[@Turbogto_guy]

@@richardholdener1727 yea I considered that too.

[@rustysausage69]

@@Turbogto_guy FWIW a 5.3 LT would be a perfect example of what you want to do there. L83 is a "small displacement" engine, but the LT cylinder heads flow comparably to between LS3 and LS7 numbers un-ported. Port those bitches and you've got your test there. Between direct injection and VVT, thats why you see 6.0LS power from a 5.3LT.

[@Turbogto_guy]

@@rustysausage69 I know. I have one in my 2019 5.3 Silverado. But I have a turbocharged 5.3 in my gto and wanted to put the 5.7 back in with huge cylinder head flow and a small cam. Or build a 6.0 destroked with ls3 heads and intake. I want to build more hp than tq because it’ll be easier to put it down on the street.

[@rustysausage69]

@@Turbogto_guy Mast motorsports makes some LS3 port heads that fit small bore blocks. Expensive tho, itd be cheaper to destroke a 6.0

[@joeinmi8671]

Im glad i havent seen the coyote nut huggers all over in the comments. For some reason they think its the best thing ever and even poo poo the ford 7.3 on the ford channels. Said it many times and ill say it again, modular fords do ZERO for me. Stock, modified, boost, n/a i honestly dont care for them. Ill take s 300 i6 or a 302 over a 700hp n/a coyote and im not kidding.

[@gloriamaletta8667]

It's a no brainer the LS3 makes torque from idle to 6000rpm 74 foot pounds more at peak stock vs stock than the 5.0 Coyote and even a modded 5.0 Coyote with heads and cams made 475 torque vs the stock LS3s 485 torque at peak these 5.0 Coyotes NA can run well but if NA using stock heads I'm taking the LS3 and I'm sure cracking into a 5.0 Coyote is more costly than if doing the same to a LS3 even the modded LS3 with a fairly mild cam made 564/510 with stock heads for something very reliable and streetable more affordable than a 5.0 Coyote most serious 5.0 Coyote go turbo is to make big power that's probably easier than spending the money to crack it open if you got it and you like it go with it 5.0s Coyotes like boost

[@beedub0218]

Were the Coyote Comp Cams limited or locked out ????

[@richardholdener1727]

limiters

[@michaelgarrow3239]

Fu^k!!! I only come here for squirrelguy! 😎🎶🎵 Where is he?

[@nathanhatcher7096]

Ok has anyone tried to get a gud set of headers on their 5.0 in a gt, that's alone is a pain in the ass!, now try upgrading cams with chains and guards and guddess know hopefully you can find a turner know what the hell he's doing. Point is Richard saying ls engines can and will always be the go to engine to beat the shit out of win or lose your ride is taking u wherever the heck u want!

[@NissanTy]

Both respectful engines. You want NA performance, LS/LT, boost? coyote all day. The coyote runs damn good NA but with the cubic inches the LS has, its hard to beat

[@reinaldohurtado3514]

and remains make it stroker, no replacement for displacement!

[@awgolasplowing]

I'm a big coyote fan, that being said I love to see a cost breakdown on the parts used in these tests...I know it wouldn't be favorable to me😢. Knowing the 5.0 engine loves boost, I like to see what the 6.2 and 5.0 do with a twin screw blower, or centrifugal supercharger, or turbo setup. I think it would be a closer match up than NA. You know the old saying "no replacement for displacement" except for boost, that changes things😊

[@loundclear9279]

Well simply put if the 5.0 makes x amount of power then at 14.6 psi or 1 bar the hp would double or should. Same thing with the ls3. But I know where your going lol the yote heads and the short stroke on boost will make a ton of power , I honestly think and i could be wrong lol but if both where ran at 25 psi i think the yote may sqeak by. and im a chevy guy

[@bethanyhaskiell9116]

​​@@loundclear9279if they were doing a mod for mod comparison then adding boost I don't think the Coyote would overcome the already 60 to 100 hp more that the LS3 started with because Richard could still add cnc ported heads to the ls3

[@johnsheetz6639]

The only thing that beats cubic inches. Is cubic dollars😅

[@EGGINFOOLS]

​@@johnsheetz6639😂

[@Jr_5646]

​@@johnsheetz6639 you ain't lying. The old saying "fast, cheap, reliable. You can only pick 2" comes to mind.

[@0rbie]

Thankfully ford made the better car, 2011 mustang was quicker than the 2011 camaro. That being said, I also believe the SBE gen 1 coyote has also been quicker/faster than the SBE LS3 record.

[@richardholdener1727]

the road tests of the era show the Camaro winning by 4/10ths

[@0rbie]

@@richardholdener1727other than car and driver, everything I’ve seen has the mustang quicker than the camaro

[@mun33y]

Seen the price of aftermarket cams (4) for a coyote vs the LS (1) 😂😂😂

[@NBSV1]

That’s a big reason people just go straight to boost for the coyote. Better power to dollar compared to the cost of stuff like cams.

[@02autogt]

Seen the price of aftermarket heads for an LS... Oh yeah, that Boss intake is available for $200 brand new...

[@169abr]

Stock cams have made 1300whp, unless you’re going all out NA or all out Centri blower it’s pointless to cam one of these engines. Get a 5.0, boost it, be happy.

[@larrypruitt3919]

You act like LS guys don’t do heads cams intakes. Bottom end. And call it stock. Use common sense. Of course 4 cams cost more than one. Duh.

[@alexbickel-ow2cf]

This isn't even a close comparison. Put two four barrel throttle bodies and a tunnel ram on a coyote and watch the coyote destroy the ls3 in all aspects. At least run the coyote with a cobra jet manifold, these manifolds have made over 800hp naturally aspirated at 302CI. We've ran 454CI LS based engines with ported ls3 heads, steep valve seats, conpression, etc. and a stock ls3 manifold and they only make 620hp on our dyno. The factory ls3 manifold is the limiting factor regardless of the effort thrown at them, we all also know that you can't put a intake manifold on a ls car that's worth anything without a 12" cowl hood which is why I don't find much merit in this video. If you want to make any power with an LS, naturally aspirated, you have to run a tunnel ram style manifold or a single plane CID intake. The LS is obviously outdated with the cylinder head design. Reliability is something that isn't stated enough either when talking about engines. DOHC engines will always have a better combustion chamber than a pushrod engine, more consistent cylinder filling due to valve location/geometry, better spark plug location/angle and you have significantly more rpm potential because of the valvetrain which reduces load on the short block overall and makes more HP. LS engines are great to swap into cars because they're so cheap (we're before "Bidenomics" lol) and that's about it. Most LS engines used today in racing applications are there because of pride or rules, not because they're the best combination.

[@richardholdener1727]

You must have missed the first two parts where we compared them stock and then with a cam only on the LS3-but, by all means, don't let facts get in the way of your tirade.

[@puterg0d]

Much better comparison than a performance engine vs a junk yard truck engine. Ford uses multiple cams and valves to make power, Chevy stuck to the old ways with push rods and displacement to make power, and the old ways won.

[@danilofraga4676]

The old ways are very limited. You know one test he won't do? Take both a Coyote and a LS or LT, whichever he wants, keep them both completely stock and just start adding boost. It won't even be close.

[@puterg0d]

@@danilofraga4676 you right, but I got a feeling it wouldn't be the way you're thinking.

[@danilofraga4676]

@@puterg0d Well can you show me a completely stock LS or LT that can make 1000+whp? I don't know of one without either a cam or heads.

[@puterg0d]

@@danilofraga4676 there's only a few completely stock engines in the world producing that kind of power, but if your excluding body from "stock", then yes, LT4, LT5 both can make over 1000 HP without breaking open the engine.

[@0foxgiven]

Now do a size comparison for the swap guys...LS can have a blower on top and still fit better than a coyote lol

[@km6832]

No one cares

[@0foxgiven]

@@km6832 you're right, nobody wants a boat anchor in front of their car anyway

[@km6832]

@@0foxgiven lol you not doing any road racing. So again who cares. Yall swap from drag racing. Get serious

[@0foxgiven]

@@km6832 idk what you're talking about, I have an LS swapped road racing BMW lol

[@km6832]

@@0foxgiven that great. How about leave people to do.what they want?

[@olov244]

good matchup, no need to test anything else. - totally unbiased GM guy

[@02autogt]

You obviously don't know very much if you think this test is "UNbiased"...

[@olov244]

you obviously are a ford guy because you have no sense of humor@@02autogt

[@georgethompson4098]

That's like comparing Ford's Godzilla 7.3 engine to GM LS 6.2 engine.

[@bryancollins942]

Was there a Godzilla back in 2011?

[@georgethompson4098]

Yea, he attacked Tokyo way back in 1970.

[@georgethompson4098]

When he compared the 5.3 LS to the 5.0 you know what happened. Even with more displacement the 5.3 lost.

[@timweb1510]

I have 3k, drop ship either one of those to me 😃

[@csj9619]

I've got good news ya'll. You don't have to pick one or the other! I'll take one of each please.

[@redsredneckadventures6584]

Ok leave both engines stock internally and add boost youll see were the coyote beats ls at that point as far as na build you cant beat an ls