Rick and Morty - Joseph Campbell's Advice

[@Zerox5861]

I love how he picks up the pencil, comes up with this shitty idea about a magic pencil, and then starts writing on his phone instead of using the pencil.

[@Silverwind87]

And he went from a movie about a magic pencil that writes people's lives, to a movie about a fucking writer.

[@redragon1990]

Hence pensylvester

[@freemantle85]

He's coming up with Brian Griffin style of stories

[@brayden9358]

Why did I never notice that lmfao

[@bruvisdone6997]

All you have to do is look at history to kinda see the correlation. Look at Van Gogh. Man literally cut his ear off, but is considered one of the most prolific painters of all time. The comparison is uncanny.

[@killman369547]

Love how joseph campbell's ghost is just flipping his shit while story lord's creator ignores all of his advice.

[@johntoland6696]

Well, his advice came down to 'You suck, and you're awful', I would have ignored him as well.

[@Silverwind87]

@@johntoland6696 Yeah, Joseph Campbell was a hack.

[@Godloveszaza]

​@@johntoland6696can't hide from the truth

[@maxjackson6559]

So many people don't realize this was just Dan kicking himself for his meta attitude and the whole story lord episode

[@richard.n9000]

Good thing Dan is shit at his job or writers would take his style seriously and try to emulate it.

[@jadjason6053]

Well…he could have just done that in a youtube video instead of wasting a R&M episode for this.

[@jakobkent2807]

​@@jadjason6053harsh take but ultimately fair

[@mmgmagic]

Wow, good thing that the episode that criticised him for his approach to storytelling goes ahead and reinforces said approach to storytelling, and nothing of value changes! How good of Dan to lampshade his creative process, only for the lamp to be pointed at the vacant walls found inside his spaciously-empty skull!

[@mooseboose656]

Its pretty obvious i means for fuck sakes they look the same

[@ShadowDemon_4]

This clip reminded me of the movie Stranger Than Fiction. It's about a man who starts hearing a voice narrating his life and says he will soon die. At first he doesn't believe it but after certain things come true and he sees a famous writer on TV has the same voice as the narrator he realizes the newest book she's writing is his life and eventual death.

[@abnerdwight]

I damn love that movie. The ending was quite sweet.

[@Mugsi]

Will Ferrell was great in that. Shows he can do more than just comedy

[@____uncompetative]

@@Mugsi It was supposed to be a comedy.

[@djack6318]

RomCom. Its both lol

[@AlexanderShackles]

I wish more people would react to that film, if only so more people would be exposed to it.

[@gandhithegreat328]

So at the end he decides to fix it by writing a movie about himself with himself as the protagonist 😂

[@anthonypreston8355]

I’d be interested in this idea if they wrote themselves as the antagonist

[@Shinobubu]

I give this writer 10/10 10 man!

[@ryuspiritvtuber]

0:55 The problem is when you write you’re a villain, if you wanna be a hero just stop Now there’s a lesson I’ll never forget

[@SirMorganD]

It's a bad lesson THE JOKE IS THAT IS A BAD LESSON

[@sweettoko995]

I dont get it

[@ThePsychic24]

you have to let go of your writing if i wanna be a writer. you have to let go of the past if you wanna live in the present. just like rick had to let go of his family if he was to portal travel (which is to say, to travel into the infinite, or eternal life).

[@DoltonI]

​@@SirMorganD There isn't even a lesson here Rick and Morty prides itself on making empty statements that are then heavily overanalyzed by the fans who think you need a +200 IQ to understand the show

[@Kurotama11]

@@DoltonIit’s literally just him telling the dude he’s a shitty writer and that he should just quit 😭 bro specifically says he couldn’t even make it past *page 5*

[@maninthetrenchcoat5603]

If you're writing a superhero flick and the villain is a placeholder, then you've already failed. A hero is defined by their villains and their relationships to them. They are instrumental in character development and guiding the hero down your desired path. Green Arrow alone has a lot of great villains that can challenge him in interesting ways. Count Vertigo is a privileged aristocrat who forces Ollie to reconsider how he uses his money and power as a public figure. Malcolm Merlyn is an assassin who can match Green Arrow physically. As someone with no personal connections, Ollie can be emboldened by his connections to his family. The same can apply to Deathstroke in different ways, but he's more a Titans villain. Brick is an indestructible man who happens to also be a crime boss. He forces Green Arrow to delve into the criminal underworld and fight on his turf. And so on. Cupid, Clock King, Onomatopoeia, China White, Richard Dragon, the rest of the League of Assassins. You got options.

[@rolando90s]

That's some impressive stuff.

[@kingsadvisor18]

Not only that, but with the rich history of the DC universe and Green Arrow specifically, there is no excuse to not make an original villain. Was Oliver purposely thrown off the boat and he survived on the island out of chance? Was there a previously un-involved hostile presence on the island Oliver has to contend with now? Did his affluent family have sketchy ties that he has to face off against now that he's a superhero? Was there a period of time between his stint on the island and his superhero career where he had more adventures? Notice how ALL of these points were taken advantage of in the CW show. If the CW can do it, you can too. And then you can put more character into Star City itself. As one of DC's fictional cities, what separates it from Gotham, Metropolis, Keystone, Central, or Coast City? Are there unique crime families like Gotham? A single corrupt man that owns the city like Luther does Metropolis? Were there previous generations of superheroes operating there like the line of Flashes?

[@maninthetrenchcoat5603]

@@kingsadvisor18 I mean to answer your first two propositions, read Green Arrow Year One. His assistant Hackett threw him off the boat, and he had to deal with China White's drug operation on the island.

[@Riael]

"THEY CALL ME MR GLASS" is a good example imho

[@hurensohn7605]

placeholder villians? marvel has some experience with that

[@arvinbuenaagua5161]

This is actually the most meta moment in that episode

[@tahraethestoryteller6079]

I love the contrast between Rick and Morty Whereas Rick was all ready to fight, Morty wanted to resolve the issue without fighting Jan It shows that Rick hasn’t completely warped who he was before he literally crashed into their lives

[@maddogsmith5719]

man that gets me all the time, Cambell trying his best to get the guy's attention, desperately trying to discourage that idea. haha. I'm gonna copy it. 1:26

[@miabailey9400]

Dan Harmon knows exactly what he is doing. In literary theory there is a concept established by a man named Harold Bloom called "Anxiety of Influence" that states "the writer fears he is not his own creator and that the works of his predecessors, existing before AND after him, assume essential priority over his own writing". It's a fear of never truly being creative because the literary works done before you are what influenced and therefore determined your work. It opposes itself by establishing that the work made after you creates anxiety because it's feared it is more important, more valuable, more artistic. Harmon is demonstrating that anxiety in the writer, and stating clearly that creativity is actually related to mental illness (something really impressed in other literary theory) In the most hilarious way possible, of course.

[@silentfox139]

I love how morty said everything cambel said

[@CJusticeHappen21]

We develop our habits as a coping mechanism against our ailments. Writing, art, and even thinking can be a good thing _unless_ you're using it as a substitute for seeking, building, maintaining, repairing, and improving healthy relationships; instead allowing your habits to construct narratives both fictional and non-fictional in order to project a narrative onto a world that is complicated and not accommodating to our present capacity for reconciliation. Think of your mind like an oven. It's very useful for baking cupcakes, but leave things in there for too long you're just going to burn them to ashes. Don't maintain or clean it, eventually you'll come to risk burning the house down.

[@whalercumming9911]

A self aware joke about being self aware of self awareness in self aware joke writing. Guess every plane crash is technically a hard landing

[@halosonar9248]

As Obi-wan once said, "Another happy landing"

[@monoblackdj]

I love love this speech so much

[@JuanThaSilva]

This is an actual advice I’ll take to heart. The thing about art is that it's such a lengthy process that people in higher positions will cut it and send it off in the market early. I don't blame them. I would do it if I were in their shoes. The only part I understand is through 0:24 and 0:37. Edit: This is a terrible advice. I don’t understand it. Maybe I will in the future.

[@cedricappleby2006]

There's nothing really to understand in th eclip. It's just obviously terrible advice, everyone treats it like mystical wisdom but it's just wrong. That's the joke here.

[@Hoodedjustice01]

@@cedricappleby2006 Well to be fair you have to have an above average intelligence to enjoy Rick and Morty, when fans get so obsessive about the semantics and supposed hidden depth within every joke and just overthink things to wazoo and back I'm not convinced they have above average intelligence.

[@erispyramos798]

@@Hoodedjustice01 To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty. The humour is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also Rick's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his personal philosophy draws heavily from Narodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realise that they're not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Rick & Morty truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in Rick's existential catchphrase "Wubba Lubba Dub Dub," which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev's Russian epic Fathers and Sons. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Dan Harmon's genius wit unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools.. how I pity them. 😂 And yes, by the way, i DO have a Rick & Morty tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid 😎

[@kalvin187douglas]

“The problem is when you write, you’re a villain. If you wanna be a hero *STOP”* Disney should take notes

[@miwoj]

it's like entire plot of Alan Wake

[@sly123size]

He has writers block and can't hear ghosts correctly so he is brain trusted

[@amberbelk3738]

Haha not sure I completely understood Campbell's advice. Was he basically just saying "stop trying to be a writer, just write"?

[@mlml8018]

@Taylor Goodykoontz creativity is an innate condition. Either you have it or you don't. It is adjacent to mental illness

[@maddogsmith5719]

no i think he wanted that guy to just stop.

[@SVfighter1]

Might not even be J.Campbell lol “Today’s hero is tomorrow’s tyrant”

[@finnfinity9711]

I think it was more of a joke from the creators rather than serious advice, he just wanted to make him quit so he touched on a soft spot of many writers, which is that they are insecure about their creativity

[@finnfinity9711]

Its weird how many people view writing as something you're either "gifted" or "ungifted" at even though its just a skill like any other you can improve. Maybe that fixed mindset is why so many writers are so self conscious. This scene is not the first time the creators joked about it (s2e9 lighthouse scene)

[@alphasiera1757]

Idk but this reminds me of hacksmith industries. KZbin algorithm constantly requires them to provide content frequenty to the point they are already draining them.

[@terrenceharris-hughes4436]

Campbell is like DEAR GOD NO

[@aisnota5192]

Huh. I never thought of it that way. I never thought Joeseph Campbell would impact me twice.

[@hosaepalvin9795]

dan voicing joseph campbell is so... dan lol.

[@rich1051414]

Wait... we just watched the story the writer thought of at the end...

[@EpicCheese765]

I'm almost positive that bit at the end is a dig at the writer behind Limitless

[@RicklessSanchez]

Nerd guy wanted villain to live.....well sometimes villain must die.

[@Battfro]

Can I say I find the "creativity is trauma or illness" take deeply miserable? It is some bullshit and leads to things like assuming Brandon Sanderson is a fake because he's a happy, content, well adjusted person.

[@hombojimbo]

It is miserable, but not entirely untrue.

[@bumblehoney7206]

Brandon Sanderson is just a hack imo. I don't like his writing but I also deal with a friend who will not stop talking to me about the glory of Brando sando. But I found the creativity is mental illness to be..validating. Idk, I always write because I feel I can't reach people any other way. When no one listens or understands me or I can't get it across, I can tell a story that can at least make people understand how I feel.

[@bumblehoney7206]

Also when my friend said the same comment she couldn't name someone mentally well and creative.

[@raine6813]

you know morty, its amazing. you are 100% wrong, i mean nothing youve said has been right. you SHOULD be proud of your creations sucess because you want to be creative creation DOES happen through technology, distribution, and gimmics, and ESPECIALLY through work NOT all creators are suffering and miserable the real gift is certainly NOT to be ungifted (cant believe i have to say that) that is terrible, awful, AWFUL advice for writers. as someone who writes themself, i legitimately hope no aspiring writers see this and think "aw, dang, guess i might as well give up." creativity can be a wonderful gift to have. i wouldnt give mine up for anything in the world

[@mitch3046]

I know im late to this but do you think joseph asked morty to look upset when he was talking about his green arrow script or was that morty’s reaction?

[@jacquelinebugaringonzalez4999]

We can all solve this with a David Bowie song.....lol!!!!!

[@jreffjeff7909]

What?

[@white0thunderwhite0thunder71]

And he's a villain again...

[@quesoblanco444]

I kind of enjoy the fact that Cambell is less respected over time.

[@predalien1413]

The advice is some common knowledge one always forgets to return to back page 1.

[@drew_ytp]

Most people will probably just gloss over this moment since it doesn't apply to them but let me tell you most artists will relate HARD to this. Worst is it doesn't even have to be someone who lives from his art. People with a "gift" in this domain will be reminded as early as their childhoods that it's an extremely precious thing that mustn't be left to waste. Most'll feel an endless need of productivity : always make more, always make it better looking than before. It insn't that hard, it's a hobby ! So I should work on it as much as possible. Despite the fact I've had depression for years, I actually told many artistic friends of mine (with much stabler mental health) about this scene and they globally felt it was very accurate. If not a source of absolute distress for freakshows such as myself, it's at the very least something that can be quite unpleasant for them because of all the comparaisons and pressure they feel to improve as much as possible. (if you read all of this whining... Well done ! Give me an @ and I'll draw you a cookie or something lol)

[@astro6412]

cookie!

[@renevil2105]

First time I knew I had to stop was when one of my cats jump on the desk and started to talk too me in English about how time works.

[@myawillier7600]

:D 🍪

[@MegaChickenfish]

_So let's all agree_ _To never be creative again!_

[@Gaming_Antics]

Ever notice the theme song sounds like the new Dr. Who theme?

[@radicaledward2600]

Justin + Dan = Jan

[@elizarkozik4715]

Hi, if anyone can explain a joke to me I would be happy and thankfull. When Jan the blue writer-guy, is coming up with the Idea of a Magic pensill that write the authores lives story or the person holding the pen. I thoght it was prety disent. It´s nothing great I gess, but it would be prety fun, especaly for a rick and morty episode. So why did Joseph Campbell's Ghost try to warn him? Whats the joke? Is it an awfull story?

[@josephwodarczyk977]

The blue dude is Dan Harmon, the main writer of the show. He's making fun of himself, and saying how he's always coming up with terrible ideas that someone should talk him out of. And when he's turning the wheel, that's to show him churning out new Rick and Morty content, despite his exhaustion.

[@BoosterLane]

1:25

[@bhekumuzimoyo8442]

Sadly if you aint mentally gifted enough to be actually creative and understand the real burdens that come with seeing things and the world at large in a more 4 dimensional scope you wont understand how deep, funny but mostly true that advice was the untalented, ungifted and basic spend their whole lives seeking to be the special while those who actually are seek to be "normal", maybe to be understood but mainly for the world to actually see through their eyes

[@dubsmccheckem66]

Go outside little bro

[@jasoncrump1886]

Those JCs and 13

[@ved2360]

Funny bit, but I think it's kind of a shitty message to say that creativity is driven by suffering or mental illness, because I don't think that at all.

[@therealyuckyproductions]

Bruh all the self declared food critics out Here in the comments acting like Kyle's dad

[@VinluvAntonHandesbukia]

Justin's Morty voice sounds weird to me now

[@logan-vq3dm]

disappointed they didnt use seth rogan for that guys voice

[@TheBowTizzle]

Soooooooo I hate this monologue because it implies you can't be creative without also being miserable and borderline suicidal. That is terrible advice.

[@timidlittlescrewup]

No your not really listening. Try again

[@timidlittlescrewup]

I mean ok technically your right it implies that but that isn’t the advice. I don’t know why you think that’s the advice part? I’m not explaining it. Think again

[@SupHapCak]

You don’t want to risk explaining it because you’ll probably be wrong which is why you’re looking down on this guy?

[@MagcargoMan]

Rick and Morty writers are pretentious jerk-offs. I wouldn't give it any serious thought.

[@bdeamon1]

Yeah, I think successful creatives make things in spite of their problems, not because of them. Like people have been insightful without being depressed. I think that people sometimes want the creator to be as interesting as the work, and that is not always how it goes

[@christopheraustin5915]

Anyone else see this and think of Alan Wake?

[@shada0]

Ya no to all of this, creativity is mental illness? Creativity is such a broad category, you going to tell me a child finger painting is mental illness. Here's the thing Dan Harman hasn't been doing well (I'm a few years behind), & this is him trying to rationalize what he's doing. I've watch a lot of interviews with Harman & The show is littered with signs of his frustration. He's shown a lot of signs that he's really not comfortable with Rick & Morty's narrative format, that he's forced to write outside his comfort zone. He hates continuity in stories, preferring classic TV style, the reset back to zero style of storytelling, sadly modern media & his fans all want continuity.

[@AresSG]

I'm not sure about creativity itself as anyone can have a creative moment but generally intelligence and mental illness do go hand in hand. There's plenty of historical and scientific evidence.

[@shada0]

@@AresSG I also drew the intelligence comparison, but there is other issues in the creative industry that could contribute. I started looking into this quote & it's one of those very messy statements, there might be some truth to it, but it's too vaguely & broadly stated, with a piss poor sample size, while skipping major groups of creators. This just makes it hard to pin point the real issue, like is it the act or is it the common WTF working conditions that most artist know they'll have to endure while working in the creative industry.

[@renevil2105]

Try being a artist for 20 years first before you start talking out of your ass. It really does go hand in hand, sometimes makes you hallucinate from over active creativity. Seeing wall fall apart some flower pops out then turns into a glowing orange bug. Faces being ripped off of people you are talking too. Can make you paranoid on thinking aliens stunning you and feeling some slimy touch as you try too sleep. Your family telling you are talking too someone who not there and not even realizing that you are doing that as you focus on something else. Not mentioning the depression or attempts to self harm.

[@shada0]

@@renevil2105 I've been an artist for 25 years, & I know how broken discussion on the well being of artist are. The articles I read, didn't seem like they were taking any steps to look into this in any serious capacity, only looking at the top artist with no interest in the rest, their just going to get board of the topic well before doing anything to help anyone. I know we're only scratching the top of this, but different fields of art is a big element to look at. I'm a cartoonist & writer, I've never encountered those events, aside from regularly seeing ghost like figure at night. Just need more information before anything productive can be, I don't even know what kind of artist you are, & your issues could be a chicken or egg problem, do these happen because of art or these things happen & so art, that's very important.

[@jaegar2786]

@@renevil2105My lord that doesn’t happen to everyone! It is entirely egregious to develop the entirety of the entire creative spectrum based upon one to a hundred artists. People are like alternative realities they are all different. Art is a reflection of life that is tue. To make it artist must think on a subconscious level. Which includes their mistakes and bad deed and those DO tend to flare up more then the inverse due the fact that they are just simply more noticeable. However, if art is a reflection of life then art must reflect the good parts of life as well. That is an upmost necessity. Without it there would be no art. Therefore we must admit that art isn’t always full of drug, sex, and alcoholic wrecks. People can and will die happy despite of the terribleness that will be spurned forth unto their lives. That much, I can believe.

[@dannybrezelhorner2715]

This makes me want to give up on art..

[@Palemagpie]

So Alan wake?

[@Nite-Rise]

The dude had one job… messed it up immediately

[@coffeecartoons5345]

Don’t do this me

[@cd0m613]

The funny thing about this scene is the shows been ass since season 3

[@strategystuff5080]

Meta Rick and Morty is the worst Rick and Morty. Honestly surprised they made it to season 7.

[@nemodra4790]

It's not a movie... It's a game.

[@jingthethief]

this is a little out of context for me.

[@hellblaze10]

This episode was incrediblely pretentious

[@ChrisGarcia-vb2cw]

Woosh ig

[@rita6355]

I fucking hated that speech

[@CakedUpDumptruck]

I really don’t understand what this trying to say. Someone, please help me understand it: I don’t have the patience to dig through its bitterness and arrogance.

[@ChrisGarcia-vb2cw]

I mean its right there and it says it pretty obviously and unapologetically

[@ChrisGarcia-vb2cw]

I mean its right there and it says it pretty obviously and unapologetically

[@ballerdewersewers4822]

This episode suck it harms the creative writers

[@butchdeadlift10]

.......................0:30-1:20 and they lost me. I can assume what they meant by it, but no, that would be lying to myself. What the fuck are they getting at?

[@stutichandwani4905]

0:26