Rick Rubin: Protocols to Access Creative Energy and Process

In this episode, my guest is Rick Rubin, world-renowned music producer of numerous award-winning artists, including Johnny Cash, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Beastie Boys, Adele, Eminem, Slayer, and many more. Rick is also the host of the podcast Tetragrammaton and the author of the best-selling book about the creative process entitled “The Creative Act: A Way of Being.” In this Q&A episode, Rick explains the practical aspects of the creative process, such as specific morning and daily routines, the role of movement, and how to source and capture ideas, interpret dreams, and generate work-life balance. He also offers advice for those struggling with creative or motivation blocks. He explains how cultivating relationships with the unknown, uncertainty and life circumstances heightens the creative process. Rick’s insights into accessing your artistic spirit and direction apply to everyone and all realms of art, work, and life.
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Jack Kornfield: jackkornfield.com
Meditation on Lovingkindness: jackkornfield.com/meditation-...
Asi Wind (mentalist): www.asiwind.com
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Tetragrammaton episode with Andrew Huberman: • Andrew Huberman, Ph.D.
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"Wherever You Go, There You Are: Mindfulness Meditation in Everyday Life": amzn.to/3tus7PK
Huberman Lab Episodes Mentioned
Rick Rubin: How to Access Your Creativity (previous Rick Rubin episode): go.hubermanlab.com/zBB6x1ycYT
Guest Series | Dr. Paul Conti: How to Understand & Assess Your Mental Health: go.hubermanlab.com/N8mwZxHpYT
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Timestamps
00:00:00 Rick Rubin
00:02:00 Sponsors: Maui Nui, Eight Sleep & Waking Up
00:06:27 Tool: Coherence Breathing, Heart Rate Variability
00:09:32 Treading Water, Podcasts
00:11:45 Tool: Meditation Practices
00:15:43 Sunlight, Skin, Circadian Rhythm
00:20:00 Headphones, Natural Living, Diet
00:24:31 Artificial Intelligence (AI); Childhood; Magic & Mentalists
00:28:34 Tool: Writer’s Block, Creativity, Diary Entries; Deadlines
00:34:58 Sponsor: AG1
00:35:54 Uncertainty; Creativity & Challenges; Sensitivity & Environment
00:40:43 Wrestling, Storytelling; Johnny Cash
00:48:51 Creative Endeavors & Outcome; Surprise in Oneself; Experimentation
00:56:36 Resistance; Business & Art
01:00:37 Sponsor: InsideTracker
01:01:39 Source of Ideas; Internet & Information
01:08:31 Dreams & Interpretation; Unconscious Mind; Motivations, Art & Outcome
01:14:07 Career Advice, Book Writing, Diary Entries, Expressive Writing
01:19:25 Music Industry; Capturing Ideas; Money & Ingenuity
01:25:21 Audience; Innovative Ideas
01:29:35 Alcohol, Confidence, Psychedelics
01:35:10 Creativity, Chaos & Organization; Shocking Experiences
01:42:13 News & False Stories; Playing, Wonder & Childhood
01:46:58 Ramones; Henry Rollins
01:49:55 Daily Routine; Red Light, Circadian Rhythm & “Cheap Photons”
01:57:46 Creativity, Experience vs. Institutions; Work, Stress & Relationships
02:04:29 Book Recommendations; Ancestry & Creativity
02:07:41 Experiencing Music; Developing Albums
02:12:28 Music Videos; Book Interpretation; Current Projects & Documentaries
02:16:40 Podcasting & Conversation
02:25:41 Zero-Cost Support, Spotify & Apple Reviews, KZbin Feedback, Sponsors, Momentous, Social Media, Neural Network Newsletter
Title Card Photo Credit: Mike Blabac - www.blabacphoto.com
Disclaimer: www.hubermanlab.com/disclaimer

[@bbsv13]

I’ve been enjoying seeing Dr. Huberman gravitating toward arts and creativity lately.

[@codyj07161989]

Same. and spirituality.

[@user-nc9zh9ur8h]

I agree.

[@SamCintron]

I so happy my wife introduced me to this it is life changing

[@jaedonlong4084]

youre so right, hes resonated with a lot of creatives, seems like hes learned so much from his previous guests

[@makemacken]

I liked his podcast before, but these new topics make me LOVE the podcast. It’s been so interesting lately.

[@tammyb8742]

I love how Rick mentions how he's so protective of his hermit lifestyle and who he lets in, who he spends time with and how he manages his life. My home is my sanctuary and I'm protective of who enters it as well as what happens in it and I'm protective of what I put my efforts towards in my outside life as well. I don't find much value in things that seem meaningful today - social media, beauty, etc. A lot of people, including my family think there's something wrong with me because I don't follow societal norms but it's how I find peace and knowing that Rick Rubin does some of these same things makes me feel better about myself.

[@jubiterr]

I feel that. So much. I was like this even as a child and didn’t know it was what i was doing at the time, protecting my inner world and environment. Now i know but people will make you seem too intense or taking things to seriously… I think it’s more so moving through life intentionally and finding one’s purpose early.

[@thatswussup2341]

@tammyb8742 Yea I guess you can afford to do that after screwing artists out of their publishing. Dudes full of shit Him Hustle Simmons and Liar Cohen

[@thatswussup2341]

@tammyb8742 Yea I guess you can afford to do that after screwing artists out of their publishing. Dudes full of shit Him Hustle Simmons and Liar Cohen

[@cafferacer]

He’s extremely rich. Good luck following that path with no coin fools

[@cafferacer]

2 scammers conversing…

[@sarahallenhumboldt2638]

Your humility and graciousness are heart warming, Dr. Huberman; your impressive qualities stand out, especially because they are seemingly unusual in this country.

[@eljerc5894]

Hahahahha😂

[@gerardgaray1188]

I absolutely love the fact that Huberman writes in all caps and switches to cursive as his writing speed increases. I am the same way, and it floors me to know I have this commonality with this man whose podcast has completely changed my life and outlook for the better. Dr. Huberman, you and Rick Rubin are two of my favorite people on this planet. You both have influenced my thought processes and habits in a positive manner, and I am sincerely grateful for either of you and your work.

[@samcotter7774]

I do this too. What's it about?

[@3chords6strings9lives]

Larger than life creativity wave. Like an energy power surge lol...my thoughts🙏

[@jackdeprato4474]

Incredible that you got an interview with Santa just in time for Christmas

[@marcus8786]

😂😂😂😂

[@Matricula404]

Tontín! 😂😂😂

[@MHasnaM]

😹😹😹

[@dilip24383]

😂

[@nazforoodian8865]

❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤​@@Matricula40442:31

[@mattsparks8175]

The Creatives We're the odd balls, and we're the rejects, We're the bastards on the outskirts of the crowd. We're the ones who feel alone even when everyone else is around. We live in our heads and speak from our hearts. Our deepest emotions are what we strive to impart. Melancholy is our dearest friend, While our introspective tendencies will be our end. Some might paint, while others might sketch, Some lay in bed at night, Searching for the word that's next. We're alchemists of ideas, And gardeners of creation, Carefully cultivating gardens of possibility In the rich soil of imagination. We're intuitively perceptive and deeply empathic, We view the world through a different aesthetic. Our souls' long for the home that our hearts beat for, Because we've never found peace at any door. We're the dream-weavers and thought-sculptors, Meticulously crafting our art, Like that of a spider who slowly constructs its part. As every thread builds, the layers grow deeper, Every thought connects, displaying the beauty in its features. We are the creatives, the one-of-a-kinds. We show the world the beauty we see, Hidden in the sublime. Inspiration came from this Rick Rubin quote "A lot of people who are artists don't understand it themselves. Especially the young ones. They feel different, but they don't know what it is. They feel more. Everything hurts. Everything. They're super sensitive. They see things that other people don't see." -Rick Rubin

[@maryleeschaeffer1030]

Incredible

[@tahmeedmazumder6877]

This should get pinned. Its pretty well written.

[@samalqattan]

Beautiful

[@mr.nobody2244]

This resonates with me on a very deep level. Thanks.

[@lukeebes4275]

Gayyyyyyyyy

[@lilchurro3]

Huberman mentioned that feeling of abandonment when trying to work. I can relate, but I thought I was alone in that. It’s interesting how the work of creation so frequently feels like an incredibly lonely process. I couldn’t bear it when I was younger, but it’s easier to push through now - I think because I’m more emotionally “fed” by good relationships than I was when I was younger.

[@cringe_papi]

I’m 22 and I feel that same now. I’ve been putting off creating music because I feel so alone doing it. If I get anything from this podcast and your comment, it’s to use that feeling as a form of creativity.

[@ruutjormun2262]

I'm also 22, most of the time I'll favour relationship-building over working on an extra project, just to avoid the feeling that maybe i don't give enough time to people.

[@Brian.Murphy]

What about finding others to create with - not necessarily collaborating, but having someone else in the room to create with independently? FWIW, that's what Rick does and I think you'll find it to be where your best "work" comes out. Works for me.

[@PryZmFiXion]

Some people like both . Alone work is equally important as team work. Collaborative work is something you need to do but independent work let's you know what you bring to the table and where others fill your gaps

[@PryZmFiXion]

He did not say Goozefraba

[@PeacefulNightMusic]

To everyone reading this, I sincerely pray for that whatever is causing you pain or stress will pass. May your negative thoughts, excessive worries and doubts disappear, replaced by clarity and understanding. May your life be filled with peace, tranquility and love

[@AndyGlover]

It's always rejuvenating to listen to someone who understands creativity so deeply. I was reminded of this quote that struck me while listening to Carl Sagan's "Pale Blue Dot" yesterday: "Galileo taught that we can interrogate nature by observation and experiment. Then, "facts which at first sight seem improbable will, even on scant explanation, drop the cloak which had hidden them and stand forth in naked and simple beauty."

[@TAKEADEEPBREATH]

Thank you Rick for using my Coherence Breathing Exercise at the start of this video! Breathe well, Mike

[@scottwoods1456]

Love it Mike! Huberman should get you on to talk about BREATHWORK! Nobody knows the ins and outs (especially the science) like you!

[@sarahavenell6523]

I second this! Would love to see Huberman interview you! Great knowledge about breathwork.

[@nikitaniogon1]

Mike you should get Huberman on your show!!! Andrew check our TAKE A DEEP BREATH😊

[@jeffryfarrell]

Mike, your devotion to breath and its value is obvious and yr online contribution to the practices of breath serve many many people, but to claim that any breathing technique is yrs is surely wrong. The first yogis knew the origins, range, and applications of breath before recorded history. The breathing practice is bigger than you or me or any person. Thank you for yr passion and devotions to this neglected source of life.

[@gomyteam]

Rick is my favorite person to listen too he speaks so calmly and he provides us with great insights into creating great works of art.

[@serenity__now]

I could listen to 10 more hours of this 🥲 more conversations between the two of you please. And how wholesome is it that you guys are friends irl. Andrew you have the best energy and come across as such a good soul xx thank you for making these

[@sinegugundlovu2767]

Merry Christmas and thank you for this stimulating conversation so far. I'm consistently impressed by Dr Huberman's emotional vulnerability that is both relatable and instructive.

[@exponentialpotential9442]

And not Inscrutable 😊😊😊 💎

[@sarahallenhumboldt2638]

Hear, hear!

[@dogbackwards33]

Well-said. Humility

[@flowgoestheuniverse]

Andrew Huberman and Rick Rubin episode is the best Christmas present of all, Merry Christmas 🎁

[@childofkhem1.618]

It's Wild how people still doubt Rick's projects! Absolutely mind blowing! True OG

[@szonia58]

Rick Rubin is spot on, from the act of honest creativity processes, life style boundaries, mental/physical health exercises , to the film Melancholia. What a listening pleasure! Thank you. Happy New Year!!

[@Golgibaby]

This was an awesome Christmas gift. Appreciate the work and legacy you both have offered the world bravely through your art. Mahalo to you both!

[@histoirettes]

Going into the "chaos" zone takes a lot of courage and confidence, because it includes knowing that at a certain point, we have to go back to the "normal"zone, aka boring life 😐. It's true. It's not for every one. It take skills to be able to navigate between both

[@waakdfms2576]

Loved spending time with you two, what a gift. I must say one of my favorite things about Rick is his rapid and genuine chuckling to humor, or things that affect him as humorous. I've seen him in many interviews, and he is mostly pretty serious, so the way he quickly surrenders without reservation so deeply and completely to funny things makes me giggle along with him every time. It feels like it's coming from his soul so spontaneously, and I love that so much! He literally sparkles, to me. Thank you both for the stupendous work you do and for holding your energy footprint on the planet -- invaluable.

[@debrahealy9947]

Greetings from Paris, France. Thank you to you both for this marvelous gift of time and energy. I started TM in 1974 to ease the anxiety of feeling untethered and out on a limb alone with my creative work. I am 71, still meditating and creating by managing to be in the moment making the beautiful thing. Bonne Année!

[@KL-ni9ju]

This episode truly is a gift. Thank you both!

[@moshemedalie7690]

But it was uploaded an hour ago and it’s 2hrs + long ?

[@KL-ni9ju]

@@moshemedalie7690 i listened to it on 2x speed and got through a good portion of the interview before posting my comment

[@Pota-lc4pe]

​@@KL-ni9ju lmao it was such a gift that you had to speed it up to a completely obnoxious pace in order to get through it i guess

[@Pota-lc4pe]

it was such a gift to listen to these great minds commune that you immediately mined it for any relevant data with great efficiency

[@skiptyler3355]

I hope this reaches you Andrew. Your authenticity and parts of you that you share are the true guts and content that you produce. Seeing your mindfulness and hesitation to speak because of comments of speaking too much hurts to see, the connection the two of you share surpasses this at times, but the reason i hope this reaches you is because i want to say that your voice and questions and self doubts speak to me, and i come back again and again to hear you speak to amazing people. I only hope to see your comfort in putting yourself fully into the interactions without that limiter. Thank you for the amazing episode!

[@woody6791]

Rubin always looks and sounds like he just woke up and I like that so much! I love his voice and how calm he is. Much love!!

[@yasemin_93]

I’ve been musing about getting back into writing for a while now. Whilst listening to this podcast I suddenly remembered the name of my writing blog that I had created when I was 20 years old. I found the site and tonnes of poetry I had written 10 years ago, ones I thought I lost forever. A lot of it makes me cringe but a few I treasure. Somehow I know I owe you, Andrew, and Rick, a very deep thank you.

[@bebelribeirosilva]

no words to thank you for this episode. What a high level conversation, so deep in every single topic.Thank you❤

[@barney2006p]

Love this episode and the kindness and listening each person gives to each other. Much love Andrew and Rick!!!

[@user-rs1yb1ej1e]

i dont know why but the way that Rick Rubin talks just calms me down , he has this source of serenity

[@daviddee9295]

Hey Andrew, just wanted to say I really enjoy and appreciate your podcasts, you're super knowledgable yet so humble and you seem to truly care about educating people. Thanks for your work.

[@mishm.3893]

Saying that your art is like a journal entry was eye-opening.

[@unit333angel]

same, lit up a light bulb inside me

[@olgazavilohhina6854]

¡Hola Profe!Such a generous gift of conversation with Rick Rubin You gave us !I am truly grateful to You for all the hard work You are doing.

[@JOHNBOYC2]

You've all you need in your head right at this very moment, podcasts are helpful but watching two dudes have a conversation will only get you so far. ❤

[@sarahthomson8183]

What a great episode. These two - could listen to them talk for hours. Particularly love the comment at the end about a photograph actually limiting a story. Could so relate to this as a photographer. This is why I love imperfection , blur, multiple exposures and an element of the mysterious photographs.

[@despecto_dnb]

Imagine having a conversation with these two legends

[@nanex_7726]

Imagine having them in your corner 🤯🤯

[@wizamoonstone]

I would just ask questions and listen

[@jlllx]

truly, we are blessed to have these two in our lives.

[@teensymarie]

I agree with Rick. You do it in a way that it's clear that you not only care, but you are so excited to have these gifts to share. Your passion is changing lives. I have struggled with being defeated by certain kinds of friction my whole life, and you gave me a whole new reason to try again. You hooked me with the promise of more dopamine. You could have said, "you have to fake it til you make it," and it would have been just as true, but the science convinced me, and it has changed my life. This is a gift, doctor. What could be more powerful? You just gave someone else a superpower. You are a power multiplier in the world.

[@taitrauen7795]

This came at the perfect time in my life diving into my guitar academy/lessons after years of neglecting what I really want to do. THANK YOU

[@TheoriesofEverything]

Keep up the great work, Andrew and Rick.

[@KL-ni9ju]

You too Curt!

[@AboodCohen]

Love your work as well Curt

[@sethpike6722]

Please continue to bring Rick on. Both of you enhance conversation in such a mystical and applicable way.

[@chadhoffman6769]

Rick is a gem in every way! Been loving both his podcasts for a few years and Tetragamatin is so great. And his path to health with a keto carnivore lifestyle is the best thing we've also done. You never look back once you are metabolically fit. Go Rick!

[@willbuchanan2863]

I remember finding Dr. Huberman's podcast when there were only 10k subscribers and just a few podcasts in....now 4.6 million. Amazing to see how far he has come. Dr. Huberman, i'm so happy for you and your team. Thank you for serving others and making the world a better place. Have you done a podcast on best practices for those that work from home? i.e. stretches, work habits, ways companies can enhance the experience, etc?

[@pumpkinheadzj-o437]

Absolutely amazing interview with a beautiful mind and soul. Everything discussed in this and the last interview with RR really pushed me forward on writing. It’s such a difficult moment, that instant you seem to lose all ideas and then motivation due to writer’s block or lack of inspiration. But the ‘diary’ idea is one heck of a way to view the process. And just like Rick said, don’t worry about the reaction, award or failure until after whatever is being worked on is done. Really needed to hear all of that. 💯✊❤

[@kdoggdracul]

Rick Rubin is a gift to the world, and this is the best Christmas gift we could hope for. Thank you!

[@dustyoldhat]

To top it off he literally could play Santa Claus in a Hallmark movie

[@gjb7966]

Love this episode. The tools and tips for practice are what do it for me. Andrew, your genuine curiosity and willingness to listen to Rubin's deep intuitive wisdom is heartwarming. This is true dialogue. Amazing work and Christmas gift, guys!

[@Vered.movement]

Thank you 🙏🏾 I listened to the creative act audio book twice and now again, it really opened my creativity channel, and I love how Rick’s voice sound. so authentic and relaxing ❤

[@kitschmygrits4836]

2:20:22- I feel that a lot of people are so afraid to be truly authentic out of fear of being cancelled, rejected, shamed, or told not to be this or that and the results are either isolation or acting like a version of themselves that is exhausting to keep up. If only we all had a friend like Rick who gives people the space to just be themselves and to know it's okay. I could listen to Rick forever.

[@davidm1149]

The censorship and suppression is itself a sign of a fear of whatever 'authority' (pretended) the corporations are seemingly afraid, which doesn't actually exist. They're inventing this, I believe, to maintain the status quo, but the inevitability of humanity's evolvement will break whatever 'mold' or structure they've projecting into the world. All is energy, thoughts carry energy, so society will for a time maintain a jelly-like consistency of anti-humanism which must go the way of useless things. Whatever we project out into our world has tremendous power, far more powerful than their ideologies and intimidation tactics. This is why they have to spray us with chemicals, pollute our water (fluoride), land, air. Suppression of consciousness.

[@carri-barefoot-anderson]

What an environment you two create!!! I think I was smiling almost the whole time listening. So lifting and peaceful☆

[@Questthecat]

Man, I never heard someone describe wrestling that made sense as to why I've learned to like it again as I've gotten older. I've always been enthralled by Rick, but hueberman and his relationship shines here, and this conversation is raw beautiful. I am blessed to listen to this. Thanks guys

[@timothykeiningham7105]

I love how in the beginning you can really notice a massive difference in Hubermans energy and intensity coming into the interview immediately after the breathing exercise! So cool!

[@denaraptis3716]

Wow- Perfect timing. I am experiencing a wonderful shift in my life and this entire interview is such a gift to me- both as a health and wellness professional and creative spirit. Merry Christmas, happy holidays. Keep up the great work!

[@namrathapotharaj9551]

Loved this discussion, thank you for this content! There were many concepts that I deeply resonated with: 1. "everything I make is a diary entry" - yes! This is how I tend to approach my creative expression and when I try to look at it thinking about the end outcome, my work is just not as authentic or thought-provoking 2. Highly sensitive people have a deep desire to nurture their internal life/ internal world 3. "We don't make these things [art/work] for an outcome. It's not the mindset to make something great" 4. It's important to have good boundaries but also be able to receive ideas - it's like being a selective, semi-permeable membrane - this balance is something that I find challenging 5. Care less about what other people think - goes back to the diary entry approach especially when it comes to self-expression and how you are living your life

[@vhm2002]

There was so much wisdom in this episode. I especially appreciate what he said about the importance of authenticity & trust in relationships, and how he tied that back to the concept of lying in your diary. I think that's such a crucial comparison that he made...if you are lying to yourself (i.e., showing up inauthetnically) then it erodes your ability trust yourself, and if you can't trust yourself you will struggle to trust others...and as was stated, without trust you have no relationship; so much of it comes down to the relationship with have with ourself. I'm so glad I watched this one- saving it to watch again in the future.

[@falconsang]

Andrew I've seen every single interview that Rick Rubin has done about the book. Making my way deliberately through the book now, it's dense so I'm taking my time! This was such a different interview than the others. Really appreciate your deep dive on these topics and also the consideration for your listeners/viewers - it's WILD the stack of comments you have in front of you! SO MUCH CARE - THANK YOUUU!!!

[@mizdrakmusic]

Yes! Loved the first podcast of these 2 and now another one dropped...merry Christmas everyone!

[@KuldaevaWatercolor]

Fascinating discussion! Rubin’s perspective on being open to unconventional methods and attentive to the world for creative insights is inspiring. This discussion illustrates how staying curious and receptive to the world can fuel both health and creativity. I find it inspiring ✨ Thank you!

[@nathaliegrice4885]

Next week I will be going on a trip to Hawaii with my aunt. Her and I have many conversations on our challenges navigating life, being highly sensitive and how to work on our creative projects. This is really going to inform our conversation. Thank you. It's refreshing to listen to you 2 beautiful people xox

[@nataliem1817]

Thank you for this enlightening discussion. Rick's raw honesty was truly impactful. Dr. Huberman, your compassion and dedication are deeply appreciated. Thank you for the significant work you do 🫶

[@dude9081]

I want to say thank you for this Christmas blessing Andrew. I really appreciate you doing this podcast❤

[@Redford444]

Please please have Joaquin Phoenix on your podcast. We would all like to understand how he becomes the character. Greatest actor of our time. Please

[@yvealeciasmith]

Loved every minute of this. Rick's content has helped me a lot over this year to become braver in my creative endeavours, and listening to him always brings me back to centre. Beautifully executed conversation that brought out a plethora of new insights. Thank you.

[@TheSweetLondonLife]

As always, thank you for this, Dr Huberman. Your work has truly changed my life. Keep doing what you do for humanity. Happy holidays!🙏

[@HireMyTimestampTalent]

00:01 Rick Rubin answers questions about the creative process 02:12 Maui Nei venison offers nutrient-dense protein with high quality and low calories. 05:58 Breathing exercise for heart rate variability. 08:47 Practicing coherent breathing and physical activities like treading water for 10-20 minutes a day has noticeable effects on heart rate variability. 13:18 Regular meditation brings about internal changes to help in the real world 15:39 Proper sleep habits can significantly impact overall well-being. 19:27 Solar angle and its effect on skin and eye damage 21:17 Health and wellness practices have evolved over time. 25:17 Artificial Intelligence lacks a point of view 27:29 Unlocking creative energy by erasing and forming memories quickly. 32:00 Creative blocks stem from fear of rejection and separation. 33:56 Deadlines can be helpful at the end of a creative process. 37:58 Artists use drugs to numb painful emotions caused by their sensitivity. 40:09 Protecting the inner landscape by curating the people around 44:09 Watching wrestling reflects primitive and evolved aspects of the human brain. 46:03 Rick Rubin's impactful moments with Johnny Cash 50:15 Focus on the process, not the outcome 52:10 Tapping into self and being open-minded leads to creative energy and process. 56:22 Approaching resistance and collaboration with artists 58:18 Focus on creating beautiful things in the moment 1:02:00 Creative ideas have their own timing for fruition, and the universe plays a role in their success. 1:04:02 Smartphones and the internet provide both opportunities and challenges for creative processes. 1:07:52 Smartphones are both a rocket ship to creativity and chains to the ground. 1:09:55 Unconscious mind communicates through dreams and instinct 1:14:21 Rick Rubin's advice on book writing 1:16:11 Finding joy in the cycles of life 1:19:58 Prioritize creativity over commercial aspects. 1:22:00 Financial boundaries don't hinder creativity; ideas and ingenuity drive the creative process. 1:26:00 Overcoming discomfort in advertising with creative ad reads 1:27:58 Solving creative problems can lead to unexpected and positive outcomes 1:32:05 Curiosity about psychedelics and their potential benefits 1:33:54 MDMA as a therapeutic tool 1:38:16 Pushing creative boundaries in music 1:40:31 Preference for positive, calming stimuli over adrenaline-inducing content 1:44:21 Maintain a childlike wonder and openness to experience 1:46:39 Science adds depth and beauty; indoctrination in the field of science 1:50:36 Rick Rubin follows a calming morning routine. 1:52:48 Maintaining a balanced lifestyle with family and hobbies 1:57:08 Consuming photons in the wrong form at the wrong time of day is bad for health. 1:58:48 The creative process is separated from academic scholarship. 2:03:19 Authenticity and openness in relationships 2:05:22 The mountain visualization meditation helped the speaker through many years. 2:09:42 Accessing creative energy is about being fully present and open to the experience 2:11:59 Different projects have different timelines and suit different creative processes. 2:16:22 Unconventional podcasting approach and learning from listening to other podcasts. 2:18:25 Creating intimacy and casual conversation 2:22:26 Podcasting success is about having genuine conversations on topics you love. 2:24:16 Rick Rubin's book encapsulates the creative process and offers valuable insights for those struggling with creativity. 2:27:54 Respect privacy and thank for interest You Can't Judge A Video By Its Cover. you can by its first few chapters and certainly by its last.

[@MrThorain]

Thank you for taking the time to do this- it's very helpful.

[@angib6524]

Thank you for the Christmas gift!

[@dime7612]

Thank you both so much for all this. Ive been realizing this whole process on my own thru my own trial and error in my creative process of life and singing and music in general, but this helps me feel less crazy and confused because of like minded people like the two of you and the fact you actually say what I have been having notions about. Thank you!

[@IorgaArtStudio]

Andrew, GOD BLESS YOU, dear sir! Keep doing this good work in the world. 🙏🏻

[@tahmeedmazumder6877]

This is wild. I just finished your other interview with Rick and lo and behold this one popped up. This is like five hours worth of content in a single session. Feels like school. Lol. But the fact that this happened, I dont want to read too much into it but I think the universe is trying to tell me something lol. Anyways awesome stuff. Thanks. And big fan since day 1. Cant believe its been this long.

[@itiagofilipe]

I just bought Rick’s book this weekend and now Dr. Huberman gives us this gift too. Lets enjoy bro 🙏🏼

[@DesertDog8989]

Mind blown, right? I'm darn near salivating this is so tasty and it's been a long time coming. You are lucky getting Back to Back Rubin❤

[@1977dlove]

One of my favorite episodes! I had a feeling this was going to be a good one! ❤ It was such a treat to gleam the lessons and witness both of you in your ways of being. And I changed my light filter to red. Is it typical to immediately feel tension leave from behind your eyes & forehead? 😂

[@kaseydey4651]

Best podcast yet! Rick Rubin is my mirror! I’ve never felt so acknowledged in my thought processes. Thank you for organising this! I love you! Keep up the good work

[@romanspataro1688]

Rick is doing incredibly necessary work. thankful for the existence of his voice in popular culture

[@judithhowton2151]

1:08:08 I am interested in the link to the Bible interpretations that Andrew mentioned and love if it were added to the notes. 🙏🏻 I am so grateful for Andrew, Rick and the team who invested the time, energy and love to create this profound podcast. Thank you all!

[@PocketDelicious]

I'm interested as well. If you find out please tag me in a comment.

[@theauthorgirl-podcast]

Any thought about the outcome before making something, undermines the whole thing. As someone who wants to be published and sell well, i feel like i needed to hear this. I'm always looking to make my stories more appealing to the reader rather than just doing the writing. It is always difficult to think about these things after the work gets done but, I'm intent on making it happen

[@zunetrav4]

I think in certain aspects of creativity like engineering there’s a balance you have to take

[@believeinmagic18]

I so dislike deadlines. I can’t put my creativity on the clock. I usually say no or maybe to a design project, and then two days later I have all kinds of ideas about it. That’s when I commit to it.

[@zackaerith1872]

I love how this podcast is being dissected and the topics are very clear cut. Thanks dr huberman.

[@M-xe3xu]

Thank you for sharing about your personal connection with Rick and hanging out - it really adds to my experience watching your podcasts, makes me feel like I know you a bit more to get a glimpse of your life outside the podcast. Appreciate it! - p.s super excited for the mentalist podcasts and all sorts of others interesting ones you seem to have lined up! We are all going to learn so much!

[@shawnb2bfitness]

It's awesome that a Stanford professor of neurobiology and ophthalmology has Rick Rubin on his podcast. As one who believes that all aspects of health - and life, really - are connected, it's really cool to hear discussions on creativity on this kind of podcast. I've heard one of my favorite producers, Pharrell Williams, say that when he produces music, he sees it as colors. I'd be interested in a Huberman perspective on this type of experience. Oh, and for the record, I never imagined that I would be cool with listening to hours-long podcast episodes before I came across Huberman Lab several months back, but they're great for car rides and dishwashing. Even if I don't finish them, I typically will do so across 2-3 days. Great podcast, Dr. Huberman.

[@user-gy1zc7mo1d]

What Pharrell Williams’s is speaking about is synesthesia. What happens with that is more than one part of the brain is activated at the same time.

[@r4violii]

two complete legends on a podcast on christmas day, could we ask for anything more?

[@tgk217]

I'm lestining to this podcast second time, taking whole wisdom slowly part by part don't want to miss something. It's like a good movie which with each attempt you're discovering something new! Great job, mr. Huberman in many areas you helped me to understand myself!

[@missjenn3963]

I have listened to this 2 or three times now and absolutely love it. Rick Rubin is so interesting and wise ! I'm a painter and some of the things Rick says here really resonate . So much to take in here !

[@balrajchana1924]

The first thumbnail I've seen with color. Now that's creative!

[@oscarrodriguez-mr8jy]

Merry Christmas. Thanks for the gift.

[@msflaneuse4340]

Best interview so far. It was lovely to see how your demeanor changed talking about the arts and the creative process. Thank you for this! ❤

[@kaseydey4651]

I adore his fellow philosophical style. I no longer feel isolated in my thought processes and idealisms . Thank you

[@kwg5044]

Merry Christmas, Hubs. Gonna have to come back and listen later

[@alexbrown1170]

Cohérence breath is the optimum cadence for trauma relief as well. Perhaps for those who can’t tread water one can do ‘shaking’ to music in place? I do and it works.🪃 Good stuff Rick and Andrew. I’m a fan of both.

[@Josi_Ony]

Thank you for taking the time and effort to have these conversations in front of us!

[@TheMargearet]

Got chills when Rick describes childlike experiences. I’ll try to remember this, thank you xoxo

[@kathyjones9731]

Fantastic podcast! Thank you Andrew and Rick🫶🏾 Hello from 🇦🇺

[@MaxwellPietsch]

Huberman, dude, metta is incredible. Way better than mindfulness meditation. But it's more than just phrases! Just repeating the phrases is basically the same as TM. Litmus test: if you're not smiling at some point during metta meditation, then you're not doing it right. The meditators who have done it long term start smiling when they've done it - you can read that in Richard Davidson's work, 'as soon as they started meditating in the MRI machine, a slight smile came on their face'. If you're curious what metta feels like, just think about how you feel when you have a genuine non-forced smile.

[@cassandrabrecht]

I personally love the sound of your voice, so you'll never hear me criticizing you for speaking too much; but you are very gracious about accommodating the requests of your listeners. Very much looking forward to listening to this one :)

[@sirwani_k320]

I was one of the comments that said you spoke more, this was my first time listening to your podcast and I was only there for rick rubin but I was wrong and I never thought that you will even read it, incredible stuff! definetly one of my favourite youtube channels I am so glad I found it

[@eu9188]

Thank you so much for all your work in making the world a better place by providing incredibly valuable and free knowledge for everyone who wants to improve. I very much enjoy watching your podcasts. Besids learning it’s also just a plesant and healing expercience because of your wisdom, friendliness and humbleness that you always keep while you’re on top of the world. I wish you all the best.💖

[@camerondean6804]

Thank you for the Christmas gift. Merry Christmas!!

[@TheSurgeonsRoadie]

I followed Andrew Hickey on Patreon by default a month ago and legit landed on this video today right after expressing out loud I had a creative block. The vibes. 🙌🏼 Thank you gentlemen.

[@ossieperez8835]

I've been listening to your podcasts for over a year, and thank you! Thanks for keeping us science trained souls current and challenged when we don't work in academia or directly in science. Your service helps in so many areas where we can apply our scientific skills and understanding to further our understanding of our life around us. I loved so many episodes on autism, health, sleep, alcohol, mediation, breathing... so many. I have searched your archives but cannot find anything on Coeliac Disease (Gluten Allergy), man if you could do one it would be sooo sooo helpful. My partner (we live in Australia) was diagnosed late in life (50 y.o) and we have adjusted to a gluten free life so she can get her resultant osteo porosis under control. But I want to understand so much more about it, but don't have the time and resources to do it properly. Questions like: What's the mechanism, how does gluten do what it does to the villi which I know then cause malabsorption of calcium and other nutrients? Can CD cause cancer? How does Prolia work and what are the side effects? Is there alternatives to Prolia? Can you switch from prolia or come off it? What level of gluten content or contamination has an adverse affect, how much is this in a practical sense? Is ingestion the only exposure route? Are effects different depending on source (wheat, oats, rye etc- note oats are not considered gluten in some countries- why)? What causes the bloating, stomach aches and brain fog after being glutened/ contaminated? Can anything be used to treat adverse exposure? Does the product "GluteGuard" work? Does anything exacerbate/ amplify exposure and reactions (alcohol, diet, hydration, sleep, medication)? Why can't gluten (a protein) be denatured and destroyed by cooking or acidity and inactivated? Is gluten intolerance different to coeliac? Are there levels (hi to low) of coeliac disease? If its genetic can it be successfully screen tested and is the gene expressed as CD for the life of the person or is it activated somehow? All this would help soooo many people, I have read of estimates anywhere between 1-2% of the population (depending on region) with yearly increases over 5%p.a. So yeah... just a few questions.... years of research for me. Hopefully you can point me in the right direction and help others too. Cheers and keep up the mission! Sincerely Ossie Perez

[@jsmithsemper4848]

Very inspiring! 😎 Ive never listened to RR before. He comes across as a reserved gentleman with a gentle spirit & measured words, & yet, he has cultivated the most brilliant garden of artists in the world. Dr. Huberman is the most verbose human I’ve ever heard (besides yours truly) & I’m convinced we shared a womb in some previous lifetime 🤗🤗🤗☮️🤘

[@joshuamichau5122]

verbose?

[@jsmithsemper4848]

@@joshuamichau5122 yep look it up!

[@abrilrosario9441]

Feliz Navidad; y Gracias 🙏 por la información 🤗

[@redi6518]

I can only assume that this has been a thing others have felt. But for me I have been a fan of Rick's for as long as I have loved music. Even before I was aware of his name. So that now I listen to nearly everything his name is attached to. The point I'm getting at is. In his interviews his voice has this hummm quality to it. That is so soothing and calming to me. I relaxes me so much I could listen to him talk for hours. I can imagine his kid or kids enjoy the hell out of some bed time stories read by him.

[@nadiakodes]

Rick you are the best. Honestly, Rick you are the producer of my upcoming album and you don’t even know that .. Forever grateful ❤️

[@dougbiento1562]

Best possible Christmas gift 🙏

[@TheSanMan7]

The cool santa clause himself,the man behind so many hits, great podcast and wonderful insights.Merry christmas❤

[@JackMyersPhotography]

The practice of Metta in concert with mindfulness meditation is incredibly powerful. I was shocked tbh. It helped dial down my focus and concentration in ways I never thought of. Loving kindness to others, those you love but more importantly those who have hurt you, transforms and concentrates you.

[@k.c.simonsen3223]

God, Andrew is such a nice, warm dude. Rick too, but that intro got me feeling really grateful that people like him exist. Straight up classy and heartfelt speaking. And Rick is a genius I think, or so I'm led to believe and I've decided to buy into it because of his resume and the way he talks and his beard.