Ride1UP 700 Series Review | Electric Commuter Bike

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One of the best values on the market, our Ride1UP 700 Series review puts the bike to the test to better understand how the motor, brakes, battery and more stack up in real world conditions.
The 750W geared Shengyi rear hub motor helps the bike get up to class 3 speeds peaking at 28 mph, and the bike rolls on Schwalbe Super Moto-X 27.5×2.4” tires - tires we quickly grew to love.
The Tektro hydraulic disc brakes provide the stopping power on the Ride1up 700 Series, and they work as well as we expected.
A rear rack, integrated front and rear lights and front and rear suspension help round out a full commuter package.
For insights into what we think about the performance and value watch the video and let us know your thoughts down in the comments below.
0:00 Ride1UP 700 Series Review Intro
0:45 Ride1UP 700 Series Overview
3:10 Brake Test
4:32 Battery / Range Test
5:57 Circuit Test
7:37 Cockpit & Handling
8:54 Motor / Hill Test
14:15 Ride1UP 700 Series Conclusion
#ride1up700series #electricbikereview #ride1up700review

[@ElectricBikeReport]

E-Bike Question of the Day ⚡🚴 What do you think of the muted paint job? Let us know in the comments below 👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼

[@Gavo172]

I love it, it doesn't stand out, but still looks classy. The hidden battery adds to that, no one's going to mistake this for a regular bike, but it doesn't stand out as much as some other budget e-bikes

[@Svid1701D]

I like the color and style, wish Ride1up had a mid-drive belt-drive version

[@ElectricBikeReport]

Agreed! We love it when you can find great paint jobs, but nailing a subtle look is worth appreciating too!

[@ElectricBikeReport]

Maybe one day.

[@patkennedy1357]

Please let us know if this bike had the Shengyi motor or Bafang motor that recently started shipping on this bike? Thank you.

[@johna.a.9829]

Plenty of words about the looks, but not one word about the fork, nothing about lights, sturdiness of the rear rack, parts availability, etc. The tests were appreciated, but any comments like "stealthiness" really has nothing to do with the bike's features.

[@iancharless]

The best reviews on Electric Bicycles online by a long shot. I especially appreciate these in depth reviews when E-Bikes are becoming the new norm more and more. It's nice that you cover the majority of e bikes from low to high end. You're doing us all a favor and I hope your channel grows immensely from now into the future. Excellent coverage on specs and geometry and your overall review from the tires up. You guys don't really miss a thing and usually have me drooling geeking out about specs. Cheers. I'm having a glass of wine!

[@ElectricBikeReport]

Thanks for all the kind words, Ian! Cheers! 🍷

[@steveculman7003]

I totally agree. Best reviews I've found. Look no further. Thanks for all the awesome info and perspective you provide!

[@anthonylando8365]

Ride1UP 500 Series vs 700 Series; which is better?

[@Top5ebikes]

As always, nice review! We love this ebike, in fact it's one of our favorite ebikes we've ever ridden.

[@Dusan4666]

I needed to write review. This is the best reviews of bikes. Thank you for great work. Salute.

[@ElectricBikeReport]

Much appreciated :)

[@Donald89890]

Nice job on your review! thank you so much

[@pddellow]

Very nice review, great quality! Love the Ride1up bikes!

[@ElectricBikeReport]

Thanks! 👍

[@systemspm8055]

Those drone shots turn out really nice And i want to get me one of those bikes. Their bike the REVV1 also looks really really cool

[@minimutt1000]

I’m in Colorado and I think this is the one for me. Thanks!

[@Esoxfan]

I just got this bike with the new Bafang motor and 15ah battery, it’s plenty peppy, I’ve had it up to 28 mph with throttle and peddle assist. I set it up for 0-9 levels of assist rarely need over level 5. Easily climbs hills. It’s heavy and solid but you don’t notice when riding it. I seem to be getting at least 50 or more miles on a full charge. Best value and I did a lot of research.

[@kingdavid6286]

So the new motor makes the bike better ?

[@bernievassallo3336]

Hi I wanted to ask how your 700 does on hills as I weigh 265… thanks

[@LionheartLivin]

I'm going for an LMT'D from ride1 up, if I'm not mistaken this 750 watt motor putS OUT 60 newton meters of torque but the one on the LMT'D is a little different, also 750 watts but outputs 100 newton meters of torque, MASSIVE DIFFERENCE!!!;) HELLA GOOD REVIEW, THANK YOU!!!;)

[@jonpeterson4085]

not the proven Bafang motor

[@benca6151]

Love your reviews. The hill climb part is my go to favorite. Tells me which bikes I should be looking at due to the hills around me.

[@bernievassallo3336]

Hi Ben… just wanted to ask if you made your purchase yet? If so what did you go with?…thanks!

[@benca6151]

@@bernievassallo3336 couldn't afford a normal ebike so I made my bike into an ebike

[@mrd5024]

Ride1up is an amazing company. They sent me a new battery when I had issues with mine. No charge. Best bikes for the price tbh

[@ElectricBikeReport]

Always glad to hear when a company takes care of a customer.

[@jessestinson9252]

Got 7k miles on the 500 series not got the lmbt 2

[@Gavo172]

Sam and team, thank you so much for this review! When I was shopping around heavily for e-bikes at the beginning of this year, this is the one I kept going back to. I ended up unfortunately not being able to make a purchase at this time, but I still think I would have ended up with the 700. I really enjoy your frankness and professionalism in these reviews, that torque issue is definitely something that I didn't know about before outside of usual hub motorbike versus mid-drive, I'm glad that you were very direct about the upsides and downsides of this bike. Will definitely keep a close eye on this model if an opportunity arises to get it, along with any revisions that come down the line.

[@ElectricBikeReport]

Hopefully things change soon and you're able to make an e-bike purchase soon :) And we appreciate the kind words! We try and deliver top-notch reviews to make the e-bike world (especially DTC world) a little easier/clearer!

[@Gavo172]

@@ElectricBikeReport if only Mr IRS wasn't so mean this year But really, I truly appreciate it it's really good to see, so the local bike shops I've been to have been super anti-hub motor, but honestly mid drives are just more expensive overall. I think the only thing I would like to see is more long-term reports about stuff but that does take time, because I've heard stuff about hub motors over time being less reliable, but again long-term does take time and the more affordable e-bikes are still relatively new.

[@randysratings]

Great review, thanks!

[@ElectricBikeReport]

Thanks for watching!

[@edwardauslenderlamusiclab7030]

I bought the step through version of this model and am very happy with it. I attach a trailer to the back of it to take my two 20 pound dogs to the parks that are about 5 miles away with some hills. It requires almost no effort and feels very solid. When I take off the trailer then the bike really takes off! I love my Ride1Up 700 ST! Only issue so far was on a killer hill, with the trailer, it couldn’t make it to the top.

[@kingdavid6286]

How do you attach a trailer to it and where did you get it. I like to ride my bike to grandparents and help garden but I would like to bring some of my better tools

[@edwardauslenderlamusiclab7030]

@@kingdavid6286 there is an attachement that attaches to the rear wheel axel. Very easy to instal. After that you just clip the the trailer and off (there are 2 securities)

[@OutnBacker]

Gotta use those pedals a little more, my friend. Budget that power. You'll do fine with that trailer once you get to know your sweet spot.

[@bernievassallo3336]

Hi… how does it do on pretty steep hills without the trailer?… thanks!

[@edwardauslender7228]

@@bernievassallo3336 I have not met a hill I can’t ride over. The gears are really helpful. Basically riding this bike feels like riding downhill all the time. Well maybe going up a steep hill is more like riding on a flat street or slightly uphill, but it is definitely really powerful. My problem was when I had 2 dogs in the trailer.

[@utubejep]

That was an amazing and thorough review especially the hill test, would you be so kindly test ride and review the RIDE1UP Lmt’d same way you do with all your ebikes. Thanks.

[@karr1071]

I’m a bit confused, you said several times that the motor is 750 watts but the front badge on the bike says 500 watts. I have heard that the motor is a 500 watt motor with 750 Peak watts ??

[@domdp]

What is your recommendation for PAS power percentages? Given I have a spread of 0-5

[@misternobody4716]

I have a R1Up 500 and torque isn't their strong suit, I think they're geared more for speed, but you have to work for the speed. I love my bike, but I wish it was a bit stronger with hills. If you have a lot of flat ground, it's great.

[@wakawaka1976]

Would you suggest ride1up bikes over the Gen3 bikes? Gen3 are all on sale right now… find these guys videos on them and use their links

[@bernievassallo3336]

Question… is the motor a 750 watt or a 500 with a 750 max output? Please let me know… thanks!

[@diehardknicksfansinceiwass2683]

Would this be the bike for me to commute from the Bronx to Manhattan NY ? It looks solid.

[@Smarche18]

How does it compare to motor noise levels with other E-bikes?

[@richarddamp9141]

I have this bike and love it. Great components compared to others in this price range. On the climb, he never mentioned the wattage used that is always on the display. I wonder if it was at the peak of 750w. One of the many things I like about this bike is that you can modify/reprogram the PAS settings, sensitivity, and start speeds.

[@ElectricBikeReport]

It is a great bike, and yes the wattage peaked.

[@mikesimms3380]

I get a maximum of 1000 watts. I think the 750 is continuous, and 1000 is peak.

[@bernievassallo3336]

Hi Richard I wanted to ask how your 700 does on hills as I weigh 265… thanks

[@richarddamp9141]

@@bernievassallo3336 Given that it's an assist ebike and I'm only 170 lbs and in pretty good bike shape, I can climb any hills in Flagstaff Az with just around 350-400 watts of power. I can leave it in a lower assist level and I just have to lower the gear i climb in if I want to conserve the battery. I only use full power from the thumb throttle when I need a quick little burst of speed to cross the street or to get moving quicker. I have my bike set up with 7 levels and normally ride in #2 or 3 and use #4 on the hills, 5 on the steep hills.

[@jackl7778]

is the throttle powerful enough from a stop position to potentially throw you backwards @@richarddamp9141

[@vulcan4d]

What about parts and servicing?

[@mikemartin2447]

Thank you for such a great review. I am looking to purchase before 7/31/22 as the 700 is $150 off making the bike $1545.00 I am thinking of purchasing a 2nd battery for more distance. What are your thoughts on having a 2nd battery?

[@chasekwas]

I get 45 miles on a single charge with 15mph avg

[@benca6151]

I take it the 750 watt motor isn't geared? Because the 500 is geared and made it up the hill on throttle only.

[@Martin_HD28]

Can you please tell me your thoughts on how this bike compares to the Aventon Level? Did the Aventon do better? have mre torque in your climbing tests? I'm a big guy at 220 lbs and ride in some very hilly areas Much thanks for a fantastic review

[@OutnBacker]

Please see my review above. IMO, the frame is the same as the Aventon, but the bike comes with more options unless Aventon upped their game.

[@bernievassallo3336]

Hi Paul, I am a pretty fat dude at 265 and wanted to ask which bike you went with and how is it on the steeper hills? … thanks

[@mikesimms3380]

Something to consider: the control unit allows you to customize your power outputs. You can get lots more performance by making changes to the settings. I changed my computer to have 9 levels from 1-9. Each level represents a 10% jump in power, so level five will be around 500 watts, level 9 will have 990 watts. Change the maximum amperage to 18 amps, or even 20 amps. This will help with the torque issues. Play around with the settings, and the bike will do much better.

[@ethancrisp3491]

This is good to hear. I dont mind the out of the box specs but it is cool that it can be customized

[@domdp]

What happens when you changed the amp settings? Any risks? Can i change the AMP setting to max for all PAS levels?

[@pabloarciga4547]

What if u forget the passcode to the lcd screen?

[@StevenManser]

I wish more of these bikes would have swappable batteries. I'm on the fence about what I want to get, I like the aventon but it's battery is integrated. I like knowing I can have a spare battery either in my backpack or in my vehicle for more range options.

[@Pippokpax]

Sam great review, I really appreciate how you guys do not just a breakdown of features and ride test but also the test results that you guys do. One question, how tall are you? You look like a taller guy, does the frame fit you ok? I wish they offered the XR in multiple frame sizes but unfortunately they don’t.

[@tommwarneke396]

Why no info on real life rider height? Are to think 19 inch frame fits 6 ft + riders? Comments.

[@timdsd]

Interesting that the Ride1UP Core-5 beat the 700 Series on the throttle-only hill climb. Maybe due to its lighter weight?

[@jeffhollis5438]

Or how the settings were adjusted.

[@OutnBacker]

Weight has much to do with that. My 700 goes quite a bit further when I don't have my commute load on it. I do pedal a lot though because I want the exercise. Throttle only will drain that battery very fast on any e-bike, especially with the fat tires they put on them.

[@JeffreySaxophoneTallNewton]

I am 6'6" - will this eBike fit me, with or without a longer seatpost and / or adjustable stem? Thanks, and nice review!

[@tommwarneke396]

Why no real life info on height of rider? Hard to believe a 19 inch frame fits a 6ft + rider? More info please..

[@JeffreySaxophoneTallNewton]

@@tommwarneke396 I bought an Aventon Level 2 (large frame size, they have 2 sizes). I am 6'6" ... with a stem riser (I bought from bike shop, assembled, they installed it), it fits me fine.

[@socalpaul487]

How is the standover height? I have a Magicycle Cruiser and it's really too tall for my taste.

[@OutnBacker]

The 700XR is a tall bike, no question about it. If you have an inseam of 30 inches, stand over is about right - but, swinging a leg over the bike can be awkward if you have the saddle at the proper height. I lean the bike towards me at a steep angle, then step over the bar because the saddle is at the bottom of my belt line to facilitate proper leg extension while pedaling. If this review helps, I have over 50,000 bicycle miles under my butt and know how to set up a bike for maximum efficiency and comfort. If you are 5'10 or taller, the saddle will be pretty high to prevent the knees from coming up so high that they reduce downward power and get sore. Set your saddle so the legs bend about 15-20 degrees when the lower pedal is at the bottom of the power stroke without tip toeing. As a starting point, set the saddle to the same height as the hand grips, tilt it for minimum pressure, and go from there. The vast majority of riders of all bikes have the saddle too low. Hope this helps.

[@ozncmr]

you tried blix vika and it didnt struggle on hill. It's interesting.

[@saaimgussain]

Would u recommend this bike or a himiway cobra for a Guy looking for a fun and fast bike

[@ElectricBikeReport]

Both are fun and fast so it might come down to the tires for you.

[@jcandy5799]

Ride1up 700 uses a Shengyi motor and Radcity 5 uses a Bafang.

[@AD-xn7pt]

This would be the model they made in 2021, if not what's the differences

[@Hellboy484]

Have you tested how long the motor will keep pushing power until it stops going when the battery gets low at a certain point?

[@ElectricBikeReport]

Not entirely sure I understand the question. Meaning the range you'll get before the battery dies? If so, yes. That's the range test portion of the review.

[@Hellboy484]

@@ElectricBikeReport at some point the motor will cut off when it gets to a certain battery level, have you tested what percentage it cuts off at?

[@user-fu9vj9ix3g]

Mine quits at about 12%. I re-charge at about 16%-20%

[@porterbrass]

I’m torn what to buy. I’m 62 and in good shape, 6-5 , 230lbs. Rented an Electra 5i and loved the feel. But I want more speed for my commute. Price/ value for this bike seems great but it does seem noisy. Also comfort is a concern.

[@ElectricBikeReport]

You're on the taller end of the range spectrum so comfort in that regard will be tough to come by on a few bikes in this price tier. Grips and saddle and stuff are easy swaps. Motor noise will be a personal thing. We didn't find it terrible, especially once you get to coasting speed, but it's there for sure.

[@echtalion]

This or the RAD city5 Plus?

[@ElectricBikeReport]

Can't go wrong with either. 700 has faster speeds. City 5 is a bit more stable.

[@dida0824]

Some people have some pretty crappy trail etiquette when doing your hill test.

[@ElectricBikeReport]

We'll cut them some slack since they were friendly haha

[@willc2426]

how tall are you? I'm 6'1" and looking at buying this bike

[@domdp]

I am 6’1” and it fits. I actually prefer smaller frames but I would say any taller than 6’1” it may feel too small.

[@jonpeterson4085]

how does this bike compare to a mid drive?

[@ElectricBikeReport]

mid drives are typically > hub drives. That said, the 700 is on our list of best e-bikes. It's one of the better affordable (sub $2000) e-bikes out there.

[@jonpeterson4085]

@@ElectricBikeReport i was talking performance. Accolmile mid with Bafang is under $2000

[@OutnBacker]

@@jonpeterson4085 Perhaps yoyu can provide a review in the near future. Would love to read it.

[@jeffhollis5438]

It's unfortunate that this video is already out of date. I think in March, Ride 1 Up started shipping the 700 with a Bafang motor instead of Shingyi and larger 15ah battery. So the bike you order today will be different than the one in the one in the video. Hopefully the newer one is improved. It also says 5 levels of pedal assist but it can be changed to up to 9. And there is whole lot of tweaking you can do in the setting that would probably alter the results.

[@patkennedy1357]

Please let us know the motor mfr on the bike reviewed? Thank you.

[@jonpeterson4085]

Bafang rocks!

[@bernievassallo3336]

@@jonpeterson4085 hi Jon… I wanted to ask if you have a ride1 up bike and if so are you happy with it?…thanks!

[@kingdavid6286]

Should I get ride1up 700 series or core-5

[@spockmandia]

The 700 has a bigger battery, better derailleur, hydraulic vs mechanical brakes, just an overall upgrade. It also doesn't come with the fenders or rack like the 700 does.

[@OutnBacker]

If you are looking for a serious commuter machine, get the 700 all day long. It has all the bells and whistles.

[@bernievassallo3336]

Hi did you go with a ride 1 up bike if so how is it up hills

[@stevencasteelassistantgene5263]

12:34 - Whoever coughed did so from the nervous energy knowing it was rude to fill up the whole high speed path. Or maybe the surprise is justified because people aren't usually hauling ass from the bottom of that hill.

[@ellsworth1956]

Gee what's that Yellow line in the middle of the path for???? lol

[@randykirstuk8978]

How’s this bike for straight peddling with no assist ?

[@user-fu9vj9ix3g]

It weighs 65lbs. Think about it. Then think about the huge tire footprint and limited transmission options as to gearing. Then, think ahead, and budget your battery usage. Battery power cuts off at 12% to save the circuitry.

[@JeffreySaxophoneTallNewton]

What caused you problems regarding assembly? I don't want to take it to a bike shop; I will not have a vehicle to do that with (LA CA for 4 months); that would add to price. I can work on bikes to an extent, but 10 years of mechanic experience and you needed help? That's scary!

[@domdp]

I don’t know what he is talking about - sometimes the more you know the more you overthink it. It took me two hours and I can barely hammer a nail in wood without fucking up. It was easy given you have patience.

[@flexjay87]

Whoever edits your music needs to back it off a little !

[@Silver1137]

That’s no 750 watt hub

[@Svid1701D]

Why are so many people just standing on the path looking confused as to what to do when a bike is headed towards their kids? Also, other reviewers complain about this bike's lack of torque and hill climbing ability.

[@Pippokpax]

How dare families go out and enjoy the public spaces their tax dollars pay for?? What exactly is your issue with people using this public space?

[@Svid1701D]

@@Pippokpax people should step off the path if standing around. It's meant for moving people. Imagine someone stopping their car in the middle of a busy road to take a break. Those people blocking the path are inconsiderate idiots that are about to cause an accident.

[@Pippokpax]

@@Svid1701D imagine watching a bike review video and getting so triggered by people that are in the video for like 2 seconds that you decide that are “inconsiderate idiots”

[@Svid1701D]

@@Pippokpax I'm not triggered lol. Imagine being so triggered by a random stranger's fleeting thought that you have to tell the whole world about it...twice. Now, Kevin, please step aside so that we can use the path.

[@jonpeterson4085]

they like to block the paths!!!

[@tapmoron]

Has anyone been able to buy a Ride1up ebike from EU (France), I know that this of course will add the 20% V.A.T + some extra shipping costs. Ride1up site mention paper work about the regulation I wonder if it is necessary if i register my bike as an escooter. The EU regulation is terrible, like most EU regulation, it is against progress, it is againt freedom, it is against our citizens and it is fully dictated by vested interests. Anyway if anyone has been able to import one I would be interest to know how long it took and how much was the xtra cost.

[@voltecrules624]

The hill test on the bike showed it’s weakness. Sad.

[@ElectricBikeReport]

In our opinion, if it gets you up the hill on PAS it is a win. Nearly half fail on throttle - it's a hill that is more extreme than the typical so we wouldn't count it out for the hill results.

[@OutnBacker]

Not sad at all. My 700, with the older motor does fine on hills no matter the setting. It's all in how hard you pedal.

[@hippityhoppityilikemypriva4467]

The truck commercial music feels really out of place lol

[@leonardjoseph7276]

Very well produced review, however.... Warranty Support from Ride1Up is non-existant, I have purchased 2 of these bikes and they are really hit or miss, inferior screws break, after doing everything the "warranty" department asked they always would come up with another reason why screw failures were my fault. Seriously? I have basically $1600 wasted in one of these poorly made bikes. If you local bike shop doesnt support an Ebike dont buy it.

[@OutnBacker]

You disqualify a bike because of screws??? At this price point, try to find screws on any e-bike that aren't mild steel. If you want 303 stainless, go to a bike shop and buy ten for $6.

[@frundlemud]

Poor really 750 watt and not clearing hills and warm day. defo not worth the money.

[@mrmiles3502]

Aventon clone?

[@Pippokpax]

Both bikes are based on a Chinese frame that is customized and shipped to their respective companies. They are clones of each other because they are essentially the same bike frame, battery, and motor. Other component choices are made by ride1up or aventon.

[@chow-chihuang4903]

The 700 model was released a few years ago. At the time, I cross-shopped it against the Aventon Level, which bore many similarities, and a couple other brands and models. Eventually, I bought the LMT’d from Ride1up as it weighed less, its motor put out more torque (100Nm), and at the time, it came with a torque sensor. However, Aventon bikes have the nicest-looking welds I’ve seen on aluminum frames. And their throttles now work when PAS is at the zero setting.

[@jeffhollis5438]

@@chow-chihuang4903 I noticed that Aventon bikes are moving into bike shops with a rise in costs. The Pace 500 now costs a much as the 700 and the level costs $100 more.

[@ElectricBikeReport]

While there are some similarities, there is still plenty that make them different.

[@jacobstabler9138]

@@chow-chihuang4903 Aventon throttles DO NOT work on PAS zero. I am an Aventon dealer in Sacramento and carry hundreds of Aventon units, and I can tell you with certainty that in Pedal Assist Setting 0, the throttle and pedal assist DO NOT work.

[@Bobster986]

I don’t care for the throttle on the left. 98% of the world is right handed, why would you want to use your weakest hand to control the most important and dangerous part of the bike? Makes no sense. 🤨

[@ElectricBikeReport]

Often times shifting is on the right though so they try to split duties of each hand.

[@user-fu9vj9ix3g]

Because you aren't expected to use the throttle enough to make it an issue. It takes about five minutes to get used to it - and - the "walk" feature assumes you walk the bike from the left side. Most people do. hey, they had to chose. Maybe they flipped a coin. Not everyone is going to be happy.

[@jkbordersful]

These guys are getting paid for good reviews. This one was a terrible bike with an obviously bad motor. But he says its great.

[@Gavo172]

???

[@Pippokpax]

This bike has been consistently well reviewed across multiple websites and KZbin channels. They’re review was fairly critical of the shortcomings of the 700 while pointing out the value you get with the bike. Not really sure what you are complaining about.

[@ElectricBikeReport]

Hi there Keith. A couple things: first, yes, we charge brands for our time in making these reviews. This payment covers our time only and is not for an endorsement - the opinions expressed here are our own. Second, many motors fail the hill test on the throttle, we don't think that makes it a bad motor, and the PAS assisted time was decent. In terms of hill climbing without rider assistance, sure, we would say it scores lower, but that doesn't make it a bad motor or bike though, in our opinion. With a little leg power, it does just fine and doesn't tax the rider. But we get it - different strokes for different folks. If motors that can dominate any hill with you doing as little work as possible is your selling point then maybe it isn't the bike for you. Thanks for watching all the same!

[@gameofdronesvideo2254]

@@ElectricBikeReport Can you please confirm what motor was used for this review? Was it the latest shipping motor (Bafang) or the original motor (Shengyi) that Ride1Up had originally shipped? Thank you!

[@OutnBacker]

Schilling for another brand? The 700 is competitive with any in this price range. Lots of factors affect hill performence. Mine is as solid as a motorcycle, and takes turns at the same speeds as I do on my 650 Suzuki. No wobble, no handling issues.