Riding the bold and beautiful SCW-1: Here’s what I think!

[@inventiveowl395]

Whoever was thoughtful enough to name the front suspension "Without Telescoping Fork" is genius.

[@kz.irudimen]

It's not even a stretch, the name is actually accurate

[@KenanTurkiye]

I assume you hope he/she is not the same person who engineered the linkage, calculating the static/dynamic forces and determining the material/construction aspects? Maybe he/she was busy with all that calculation and just......named it the obvious. : )

[@inventiveowl395]

@@KenanTurkiye CEO to engineer: "So we want to innovate the front suspension." Engineer: "I'm listening.?" CEO: "We'd like you to design a front suspension system without a telescopic fork." Engineer: ". . . Without... Telescopic... Fork...?" CEO: "Exactly. I will get going so as to not impede your work. Thanks and good luck!" *door shuts* Engineer: . . . *"What the fork!"*

[@KenanTurkiye]

@@inventiveowl395 🙃

[@KenanTurkiye]

@@inventiveowl395 Hooold ooon.....considering your username! aha! lol

[@BermPeakExpress]

First of all, thank you, Matthew, for making this test rig available for me! Sorry about the fork, but we now know that's not the final design. Also, it's interesting how the motorcycle industry has tried the same thing with front linkage and has never had much success with long term adoption. Consumer resistance is clearly the main reason, and often times it comes down to looks. I think the SCW-1 looks friggin' cool, maybe even beautiful. But I've spent my life drooling over mountain bikes with telescoping forks, and there's something unexplainable inside me that feels more comfortable with that. Getting to the root of this could teach us a lot about human nature. Either way, I can't wait to see what Structure comes up with next!

[@Mentholox]

The best selling bike in europe for the last 15years has this design. The GS lineup from BMW. Though BMW is the only one who made it succesfull as far as i know. They call it a telelever

[@cameronwashington6187]

Rode Matts bike down in Sugarland Texas and was super impressed with it. At the time he had a electric motor mounted it flew through the trails with ease.

[@GarageBilt]

As soon as I saw this and you said Bentonville I knew exactly who lent you that bike. Matthew is a real one for sure. Also that being Matthews bike its been through it. That guy goes big 100% of the time.

[@fiveletters]

Mentioning motorcycles made me realize I've never seen a bicycle with a leading link front suspension on the street whereas it's been common in motorcycles for a very long time, especially underbones and sidecar rigs. I don't think brake dive is nearly as much of a problem on bicycles because of the magnitude of forces involved, though it might be interesting to explore for a tech-y video.

[@kilianortmann9979]

@@Mentholox Not quite, the Telelever still has telescoping stanchions (tele+lever), but they don't contain springs or dampers. This is very similar to the Duolever system of the BMW K1200/1300/1600. Think Telelever = McPherson for bikes, Duolever/Hossack = Double Wishbone for bikes.

[@erghjunk]

BEARING MANUFACTURERS LOVE THIS ONE COOL TRICK

[@ridingthered9751]

Your the reason I got into MTB about 3 years ago and I've never looked back. Now my whole family is into it and we ride multiple times a week. So thank you for not only making great content but truly changing my life

[@benkearney8459]

w comment

[@The_Real_JN]

​@Patrik course you're called Patrick lmao

[@endtimesarehere1322]

Me too. Family of 5 and we all ride. Two 42 year olds, and three 13 year olds all full suspension mountain bikes. Its been a crazy 3 years.

[@Jake-0]

I hurt my spine but I’ll be cleared to ride in three more weeks I can’t wait to get back out there

[@cduemig1]

Me too. Haven’t been this year yet with back issues but got me into it years ago when he was riding around the city and “trying” mtb.

[@parktool]

The "Shop Cone Wrench - 1"?! Cool :) We had the opportunity to ride one out at Sea Otter Classic and it felt promising!

[@Apexthehabjttb]

I can’t believe Seth ignored you tbh.

[@hgodfrey]

Of course this has been done 20 years ago with the Whyte PRST1. I’m surprised it’s taken this long to come back as the Whyte had a loyal fan base and good reviews. Though it was heavy at a time when lightness was considered the most important quality for a bike.

[@davidchiarletti4648]

I REMEBER that where bike very well never liked it though !GATE13SW6CREW cfc

[@petrokemikal]

And it still is too heavy.. It would add a couple pounds at a guess over a conventional fork.. Not to mention complexity and price..

[@LlenadeMalo]

I love seeing companies trying new things. That’s how we get better stuff!

[@krazed0451]

It's not new, not even remotely.

[@waynemarsh3771]

​@@krazed0451 Explain to the person how it's not new then... Instead of sounding like your being a dick about his comment of not knowing that this is just another progressional adaption of old design ideas from other companies. 👌🏻

[@krazed0451]

@@waynemarsh3771 Nah. Looks like you've got that covered.

[@ProfileRacing89]

@@krazed0451you’re tight 😂

[@jo_nathan_nation6544]

Way old technology and there is a reason it’s not being used on anything anymore. They will fail 10x more than a standard fork.

[@HablemosDelHuerto]

Looks like a modern version of the Pro Flex we loved back in the 90s 💪

[@mattkock]

So glad you got to ride and enjoy the SCW-1 and SO Bummed the fork failed on you but SO Happy you weren't hurt. Great meeting you and see you soon in NC.

[@cyclesingsleep]

Totally agree with "soft spot for bold, creative engineering"! I remember when Cannondale was pushing everything in bicycles & dirt bikes...fantastic years!

[@robvanduren761]

And ATK with off road motorcycles

[@danielrauer5864]

I so much fell in love with Marin bikes when the put front telescope forks at the rear, must have been around 94? But this design... Well, need much more time to try and like it.

[@guest6423]

Interbike 1995 was glorious. Almost nothing worked well or lasted, but it was so exciting. The potential seemed limitless. Now, everything works pretty well, but it's kinda boring.

[@VeloObscura]

The fact that it gets slacker as the shock is compressed is the real gamechanger for me. That is just an incredible feature for a mountain bike to have. Other bikes have already engineered that feature into the rear linkage at this point, which combined with this front end could be the future of mountain bikes!

[@andyk3643]

Something about Seth's videos just puts me in a good mood. Been having a rough day at work, and watched this video at lunch break. Now I'm just in a better mood, it's weird. Lol. My job is definitely doing things differently everyday......but kind of the same....

[@tedwingate]

I live in Calgary, where these bikes are designed, and have never seen one on the trails here. Thanks for bringing some attention to an innovative company.

[@AndreasRavnestad]

This looks very interesting. Great to see some innovation in MTB engineering that's not just about adding or subtracting a few millimeters or degrees here and there every other year.

[@Ferrari255GTO]

The big findings have already been made, but they are getting added slowly overtime for people to adapt to them because they still need to sell the bikes. For example, DH MTB would bennefit a lot from far higher bars, but it would look whacky enough that people might be skeptical about it.

[@AndreasRavnestad]

@@Ferrari255GTO There's also the Grim Donut and its successor, which I consider evolutionary leaps :) Regarding DH bikes, I think you're spot on. I've put riser stems on my DH bike as well as my two enduro bikes and added Spank 35 60mm riserbars as well. Makes the climbing slightly worse, but it's really nice in steep sections.

[@whitetrashblackops4998]

@@AndreasRavnestad I have a tall stem and 76 mm dirt jump bars on my trail bike. It’s fantastic.

[@jimsonjohnson3761]

This is old and just marketing BS. If it were smart it would still be in use and popular everywhere

[@lawrencefranck9417]

Not new bmw , Honda, and mountain bikes had this decades ago.

[@jonh9777]

This looks like a modern version of the Whyte PRST-1. Its good to see a company see the advantage of such a design and try to resolve some of the original flaws as I've always felt there was potential there.

[@heathb4319]

Thank you for that comment. I knew i had seen something similar over a decade ago but couldn't remember the name and style at all.

[@PavelBarbanegra]

The original patent is Hossack double wishbone front suspension

[@MrProctitus]

I had a PRST 1 and then a PRST 4. Loved them both and only just sold the PRST4. This looks like the next level. Wonder why Whyte moved away from the design. Maybe they just didn't sell that well.

[@robbybobbyhobbies]

Was thinking the same. I had a demo day on one way too many years ago (20? Over ten anyway). Ended up with an Ellsworth Truth (sadly sold within a year) instead but it was an interesting day's riding for sure.

[@jimsonjohnson3761]

That'll be 7k please

[@DSDJ1986]

9 minutes & 50 seconds Speaking of things that bring joy to people, thank you for the videos & the channel.

[@markpeterson8978]

I love that you explore technology even if it is not "cool" tec. I think the front end of the MTB is where we will see the most transformative changes, as far as engineering and creativity goes, over the next 30 years. It will take about 5-10 years before the real dramatic stuff happens. As I peer deep into the future I see a two wheeled vehicle that behave and perform vastly different from todays bike. It looks like something H.R. Giger would imagine, almost organic. In fact parts of it are. I see interconnected front and rear suspension that communicate with each other, but not in a traditional shock construction sense. The bike will flow over things in ways we can't even imagine(I can). Things as crazy as Rampage being done by intermediate riders. Cables and chains are gone. Wheel sets are airless and your mind is connected to the bike in some barely imaginable way. . . Well that was fun. So Seth you should do a show on the future of bicycles, specifically bicycles decades away. That would be way Cool Dude! P.S. Great show as always Sir. Cheers Kid! - M

[@skf957]

If it looks right.... And it most certainly does to these eyes. Fantastic that rake actually INCREASES under front suspension compression.

[@nrhudec]

This is the future of mountain bike suspension we need, but not the future we're going to get.

[@onlysendsmtb]

Stay strong. We're not All luddites!

[@mattkock]

@nickhudec I feel the same way. In my 32 years riding and racing mountain bikes it is by far and away the Best Bike I have ever ridden. Mike Levy might have said it best. "There is NO combination of stanction tubes and sliders and bushings no matter what fancy coatings that can compete with the level of calmness, composure and control of the Structure Cycleworks WTF linkage suspension."

[@Ruefus]

When the 'cheap one' is $7,000+ !?!?!? Yeah - I'm never gonna get it. On of the problems with the bicycle industry right now is the *ridiculous* cost of these things.

[@JoshuaTootell]

People hate proprietary components in bikes, and this makes the entire frame proprietary. I'm not against this, but it's probably not going to catch on in a mainstream way.

[@onlysendsmtb]

@@JoshuaTootell Is it really more proprietary? I mean, think about it. If you want to change the feel of your fork on your "normal" bike, you have to buy the entire system: structure, spring and damping system. With this bike the structure is separated from the spring and damping. You can buy a different shock way cheaper than a different fork. Seems to be less proprietary in that regard. You can't put Rockshox Buttercups on your fork if you are running Fox. You'd have to buy a whole new fork.

[@Tachikoma-sj6kz]

i stopped riding my mountain bike years ago. still subbed to your channel. always a pleasure, never a chore.

[@wim.cycletechnician]

It's a bold design, but it does remind me of the Whyte PRST1 and JW2 from the early 2000's great to see a company being bold with their designs though.

[@magellan35]

We are friendly with the Whyte team and very aware of the PRST bikes, which were way ahead of their time. We do some things differently, with a different axle path, shock leverage ratio, and no spherical bearings in the load path👍

[@cup_and_cone]

Came here to say the same thing. I understand the concept about controlling the head tube angle and preventing brake dive, but the solution by Whyte was way overengineered. You could do the same thing with a more simple design...like taking the Girvin Vector design and use unequal parallelogram links so it slackens under compression. It would also fit more frames...

[@stevenfairclough5745]

Loved my PRST-1

[@jenniferbrien3408]

Get rid of some of the pivot points by unifying the top rear and bottom front arms into one beam and you'd have a modern version of the Whippet from 1885.

[@maddogmtb]

Had a Whyte PRST1 in 2001. Rode Moab on it. The spherical bearing was a weak point, it used to wear quickly as the sealing was poor. Later models had a hideous rubber boot over the top. The bolt failed on mine whilst barrelling downhill, the bike effectively spilt in two and the lower part of the swing arm dug in the ground catapulting me over the bars and onto my face. Good times.

[@WorldwideDarts]

Hell yeah! I love different things and I would totally ride this thing.

[@andyk3643]

I think it's awesome. I too enjoy bikes, and components that are out of the ordinary. If I had the $$$, I'd buy one tomorrow. Very cool.

[@WhisperTales12]

Hey seth thats a crazy cool bike. Keep the bentville content coming its been great.

[@Rocky_Bikeboa]

This + the raised reversed stem = match made in heaven 🤤🤩👌

[@jfear1710]

I remember when I saw this bike at Spider Mountain a few months ago. I was shocked. I immediately commented on your latest video (at the time), asking for you to review this bike. I’m so glad that you did because it’s such an interesting bike. Great video as always Seth, keep it up.

[@mattkock]

That was my bike at Spider. I take the Demo Bike there quite a bit. If you see it there again you HAVE TO give it a go.

[@deejay2793]

This was done two decades ago… Reminds me of the old Whyte Prst-4 mountain bikes

[@neal8777]

Kudos to Structure for doing what's right.

[@craigsawyer6453]

I like it! Its art and function.

[@nickrp88]

The DW link patent turns 20 in September... Really looking forward to seeing what happens in the next couple years with the rear suspension from smaller bike brands.

[@edgardacanay8460]

Only the first iteration is going to open up to the public soon. There have been 6 revisions to the DW-link since to accomodate the changes in wheel sizes, chainlines, chain deflection angles, axle standards, travel and recently, e-bike integration etc.

[@Mile-long-list]

I raced for a decade in the 90s and there were 2, ok maybe 3 front ends that did the same thing kinda. The girvin vector, amp b and (almost) the lawill leader. Ive ridden all 3 and still those 3 hold up to anything else ive ever ridden. The arc type travel as opposed to just up and down (telescopic) is truly incredible for maintaining your geometry when being compressed. Im currently on a fox 40 but even that pails in conparison to how a proper linkage front end rides. You have to ride one if you can. it will change how you view suspension ! I would love to give one of these a ride i bet it's lovely.

[@timlewis5527]

I'm a motorcyclist and its interesting seeing mountain bike designers try things that have been tried on motorcycles and did or didn't work out.

[@edermerino7489]

Well, this specific application is basically a telelever front suspension from BMW, and it has worked for decades now. Always interesting to see these innovations on an MTB though.

[@kwennemar]

Always cool to see alternate engineering ideas make it to production.

[@thediffguy]

You make the best MTB videos ,thanks for entertaining me and learning new things ❤

[@johnmoorr9335]

You’re beautiful on a bike, bruh. You an ace. I wouldn’t have thought that seeing ya. Lol. Good channel. Cheers 😊

[@gravity7208]

expect the front part protruding outwards, the design is just wow.

[@mudkayak6305]

wonder if it can point backwards into the space there?

[@Milkshakes-Den]

I found your channel while looking for ideas for a new bike and since then i have followed your content, I can’t wait to see what this odd bike has to offer.

[@Paulklampeeps]

They should make a hardtail

[@fpeter01]

With rigid fork!

[@mattkock]

Just wait. ;-)

[@dkkids]

I saw one of these at my LBS at Draper, UT and its definitely an eye catcher! I ended up getting a Rail 9.7 but I'll never forget seeing this bike for the first time!

[@xXRunDeathXx]

I honestly couldnt care less about the water bottles. I never leave my house without a bladder in my backpack when i am out for activity. I think your aversion to backpacks partly comes from never finding the right one. I love my Camelbak KUDO Protector 10. It has a built in back protector, 1.5 L water bladder and enough storage for an extra jersey, some snacks and replacement parts/tools and i never notice it during a ride. A water bottle on my frame is just nothing i put even a little bit of thought into. I would take it off if it came with one

[@loomspace]

Same, crazy to me that people still care about "wudder" bottle mounts.

[@cactus_cuber1589]

Love the look of that fork🔥

[@Libertà_sulla_vita]

Great customer service. That is worth the cost of the bike alone imo.

[@billincolumbia]

Super cool! I love it when people think outside the box.

[@johnssmith4005]

Seth I have an idea for a funny video : Build the Comfiest MTB ever , start with a full suspension bike then also add a suspension seat and even suspension spokes I can only think of these 4 suspension types if you know another one add it up 😅

[@playgroundchooser]

1. Add those suspension handlebars. 2. Add Rev Grips. 3. Add a suspension stem. 4. (I have no idea where I saw it, but at one point I had seen) Add "suspension" pedals. 5. Hopefully not die. 🤣🤣

[@wordreet]

I love it, and will have to wait a lonnnnng time till the day I can afford one!

[@daniblanaru1520]

Bmw type front suspension that is awesome , i was wondering when that was going to be implemented in a mtb

[@jaya8352]

Yeah my BMW K1300S was similar, what a badass cruise missile that bike was

[@daniblanaru1520]

Glad to see there are other motorcycle riders enjoying seths content

[@larsnilsson77]

Didn’t BMW call that tele-lever? I only tried it once, but that was on track. As I recall it, it was great for braking deep into corners.

[@3dcre8r28]

@@larsnilsson77 Something like that, there was tele-lever, duo-lever, para-lever, as I recall one was front, one was rear, and maybe one was a generic term, though my memory may be way off haha

[@AronFigaro]

I love that response regarding the fork. That's how we handle stuff over here too, and I'm glad to see other small, bold engineering firms doing stuff like that! :D Kick ass, Structure Cycleworks!

[@BenHaskell]

Very interesting bike, but it's important to note this isn't new and Structure Cycleworks didn't invent it - it's called a Hossack linkage, and much like telescoping forks it originated in motorcycles. You can find them on modern BMW bikes with "duolever" front suspension like the K1300, but they've been around since Norman Hossack developed them in the 1970s

[@magellan35]

True, and we're huge Hossack fans at Structure. We did take his work into the 2020s by using cartridge bearings and separating axes instead of using spherical bearings at the main pivots. Still, all hail Norman!

[@BenHaskell]

@@magellan35 thanks for replying! I'd assumed that separating the axes was more to do with standardising to bicycle components, and the fact that spherical bearings or ball joints are more expensive - but if there's a geometry/kinematic advantage too that's great 👍

[@magellan35]

@@BenHaskell The main advantage was really a wear-and-tear one, as cartidge bearings are pretty well sealed and durable, while ball/spherical joints as used on the Whyte bikes wore out pretty quickly.

[@willlange9978]

Terrific insights once again. Thank you Seth. Missed you in Bentonville but would have loved to put you on my Pinion drive Zerode Katipo.

[@britishgecko8502]

Similar idea to the BMW R1250 GS (motorcycle) the R - GS range has been considered one of the best adventure style motorcycles due to the stability of a shock on the front for over the fork set up. Also isolating the steering from the suspension makes for a much smoother ride.

[@ruquik]

you spelled knock off wrong

[@X85283]

@@ruquikthe GS has used telelever for a couple of decades….

[@shaneoakley8757]

I met a kid at Brumley Forest in Hillsborough NC yesterday wearing one of your jerseys. It was so cool.

[@mtb_prodigy4856]

The linkage is called wtf 😂😂😂

[@Greg41982]

That's bonkers. And we need more of that!

[@dennispikephotography]

This bike needs the raised reverse stem.

[@misterpister]

I had to search through the comments to see if anyone had posted what I was thinking.

[@magellan35]

We spent all of Sea Otter 2022 with one mounted to one of our SCW1 race bikes 😀

[@tonyheymunkets]

Super cool do you remember the proflex from the 90s was the first full suspension mountain bike but it uses urethane shocks I rebuilt one about 10 years ago I was able to find the shocks and even new old stock LX shifters. I remember in the early 90s I wanted one really bad but I couldn't afford it so it was fun to rebuild one. The reason why I'm mentioning this is because the bike you're riding is so different that reminds me of that proflex when it first came out love your videos sorry for being long winded thanks brother

[@waynemarsh3771]

Dude, I've just recently found your channel and have been binge watching your content for the last three days. How refreshing it has been to find a super-passionate mtb enthusiast like yourself! Somebody who has dedicated their time into making video candy for us all 😊 Thankyou Sir! 🤟🏻

[@rasmusvedel]

Really thought you were gonna open with it looking a little bit different, but riding kind of the same

[@mmodtomic7119]

Ooooh... missed opportunity!

[@adammoonface]

I really enjoyed that video. Great new format and your presenting has really come on!

[@Ben_Kasper]

I can promise you right now I will never ride a bike like this or ride one of those linkage forks

[@benkearney8459]

that thing looks nuts

[@krazed0451]

I'll bet you $1,000 this does not become the new normal. Again.

[@Justmyopinionlol]

It looks kinda cool very innovative

[@mr.sinister1279]

Wooow u think Homer Simpson designed this monstrosity!! Lol 😂

[@RunThatRC]

That's an insane looking bike!

[@giovanniiezzi9292]

To me one of the most important things that talk good about a company is their support and follow up. Of course in biking you put the equipment through its paces, and a failure might be serious, however I rather have a company who would respond good towards a failure than having a company who has few failures but never responds to anything that comes up or blames it on the user. It really put a smile on my face to hear the good response from the company, and if more companies were like this, I feel all products would just be better

[@zerocochrane1713]

the simplest solutions are the best, and this is the most complicated I've seen

[@e-type_driver]

Cool. I have a soft spot for unusual design, too. In my early MTB days I rode a Parkpre Pro 825 with a Lawwill Leader fork and I loved it.

[@jrldude8719]

Good review. Glad the company was cool about the fork being cracked. It kind of reminds me of the Girvan/Noleen fork I had 20 years ago. 🙂👍

[@mattkock]

Yeah that bike had been raced Pro DH and Pro Enduro under Mason DeKeyrel for a year and then it's been my Demo Bike for 2 1/2 years and it's been crashed more times than I can count at AngelFire, Trestle, Spider Mountain and All Over Arkansas. I inspect it but I guess carbon can only hit the ground So many times. It was a Pre-Production Chassis and there have been NO Failures in Production models. Since 1994 I myself have run the Girvin, AMP and Lawill linkage forks and always Loved them. When Spy photos of the Structure hit the internet in 2019 I emailed the company and tole them they HAD TO hire me. ;-)

[@onesadtech]

Very interesting design, thanks for sharing Seth!

[@dingdingdingdiiiiing]

Love it. Water bottle problem - under the seat probably.

[@blaisebenoit-corey8172]

I got to ride one of these for a few minutes at Sea Otter, it was just a "parking lot test", but I remember it felt pretty good

[@RobNaughton54]

Although I’m sure it’s been mentioned with all these comments, but mountain bike, linkage forks are nothing new. This one is definitely above and beyond. But the two that come to mind for me was the AMP Research and the Lawwill Leader created by Mert Lawwill…father is Shimano’s Joe Lawwill. Joe raced the fork back in the 90’s. I also know Roger Decoster was a huge fan of the linkage moto fork. These pictures out there of an 80’s works Honda with a linkage fork. But the reality is they have never caught on because of the looks, complexity and expense despite all their advantages. I’ve always wanted to try one though.

[@Fred-tm9dn]

The BMW 1200Gs (motorcycle) has been running a front suspension similar in design to this bike. They call it 'tele lever'' IIRC, it has similar advantages on a big heavy bike like the 1200gs, The front doesnt dive as much under braking and it manages it's travel better.

[@StarAZ]

Kind of wish that some big bike brands take notes and make their own version of it. Speaking of demo, Silver Star in BC, Canada has some in their rental fleet.

[@dadbod4life]

Seth breaking all the bikes this week. Keep up the amazing content! I love it!

[@alexrobles6492]

I would love to ride this!!! Thanks for the video! Always awesome.

[@carperfjord8748]

Great video and showcase! I kind of want to see a full squish take on both this fork’s and the Jekyll’s rear-shock’s designs in one, that would be a sight to behold for sure.

[@bryanbuckley4312]

The designer done a euro trip when they were launching this bike. A few of us got to have a blast on it at out local trails and one mate bought one. Everywhere he went he got, "what the f*** is that thing". He rode it for a few years.

[@mauticom]

A tribute to the old but awesome AMP parallel forks. Loved them, the only disadvantage of them was the limited total travel you can achieve.

[@crispyfilms3983]

Hey Seth, loved the video as always. I think a lot of us would love a big Berm Peak jam, much like how you did at berm creek before you moved. Seems like it would be a great time!

[@nigelsmith7366]

I used to own a Proflex 957 this was one of the best frames and fork combo ever I thought

[@chrisdenham6289]

I really love the look of this bike. It looks plush. I was in Bentonville riding that weekend would have loved to have seen you riding the bike. WTF is also Welcome to Fruita😂

[@snopen]

Love the Sam Pilgrim clip at the beginning. He’s the best.

[@jason0870]

To me, that's a sick looking bike .

[@Auloss]

evolving so much we are going back to the springer forks used in choppers from the 70s

[@toddhemsoth695]

There was a full linkage fork back in the late 80s that had amazing reviews from those who had ridden it. I cannot for the life of me remember who made it or what it was called but I do know I really wanted one over the rock shocks of that time. It is cool to see someone is actually “re-looking” at a linkage option. Maybe this time it will stick? Has it really been 30+ years since then…holy crap time flies!

[@uavr1286]

There was Girvin/Noleen that was eventually bought out by K2 I think? Have been a few others.

[@dhtran88]

@@uavr1286 That’s right. I still have a carbon fiber legs Noleen fork.

[@RainytheNB]

Linkage forks have existed for longer than telescoping forks! My vintage motorcycle has a linkage fork. There's a good reason we don't use them anymore on motorcycles

[@Hellreign82]

Pretty cool look, looks like a meatier version of the WHYTE bike for the late 90s And yes, a lot of linkage bearings!

[@duroxkilo]

i think that's a fantastic approach. omg the water bottle ppl :)))

[@justsomeguy404]

Front end reminds me of a leaf spring suspension on a truck. Definitely different!

[@weathdone]

awesome vid like always.. thanx seth.. and that air bnb looks sweet.. :)

[@rashadabdullah9769]

Saw pics of this bike on fb and always wondered about it. Bmw or mercedes made a bike similar to the front susp set up. It had a coil spring under the frame behind the steer tube with an arm actuating it connected to the fork. If i had the money i would buy one. I think it would be a great next step up from my first expensive bike. But im more of a commuter, so, my old bike was perfect.

[@mikehaufe6635]

Very similar in operation and design to my twenty two year old Whyte PRSTI. What goes around comes around…eventually! Water bottle was mounted on top tube. Plush but really suited to XC.

[@Chretze]

I love the design, I love it when engineering like this fully eradicates inherent problems that come as baggage with traditional designs. No matter how good a telescopic fork gets, it CANNOT EVER get rid of fork dive during braking. It's the same with traditional shift systems, as long as you have a derailleur hanging off the side of your rear axle, it will ALWAYS be prone to getting knocked by some rock. This is not the case with internal gearbox systems, like Rohloff hubs or better yet, if unsprung mass on the rear axle is an issue, systems like the Pinion drive train. Same with chains - They will ALWAYS need maintenance in the form of oil at some point no matter how good their quality is or what tech goes into them, unlike a belt drive which does not. So in an ideal world we'd be seeing mountainbikes with linkage suspension front and rear with internal gearbox systems paired with a belt drive. The E18 by Motion Ride is a great option for this as well

[@Schmiddelwutz2000]

The damper has no lateral/shear forces on the piston and seal - that makes a big difference in friction.

[@heraklit8.170]

Die inhärenten Nachteile (höherer technischer Aufwand, höhere Kosten, höheres Gewicht, indirektes »entkoppeltes« Fahrverhalten ohne ordentliche, gefühlvolle Rückmeldung vom Boden etc.) dieser Konstruktion überwiegen bei weitem die paar Vorteile wie etwa, dass die Vorderpartie beim Bremsen nicht mehr so eintaucht. So etwas läßt zwar die Herzen von Technikfans höher schlagen, aber das wars dann auch schon.

[@willlucas1032]

love the doug demuro intro

[@jipasd]

Everything can fail and/or have problems in the manufacturing process, the real beef is how the companies take care of the flawed products. For example I got tires that started developing cracks after just months of use - the seller didn't seem to care, so I contacted the manufacturer. They said there was something wrong with the heat cycle at manufacturing and just sent me new ones. So yes, I got a faulty product, but with that level of customer service I'll definitely give them a new try!

[@MBergyman]

Very cool piece of tech. Straight out of old school BMW telelever fork design. I love it. They should find a way to design the links so a water bottle can be stored under the head tube/steerer area.

[@mrlaw711]

Looks like a great ride.