Right or wrong to crack down on sickness benefits? Feat. Marina Purkiss & Mike Parry | Jeremy Vine

[@sandimoo]

Your male guest didn’t even know what PIP stood for!! I have MS and fibromyalgia, Does your guest know how hard it is to obtain PIP. I was a physio for 20 years and had to give up my career due to pain and fatigue. Before my diagnosis I went for a PIP assessment - it was one of the worst experiences of my life, and I was turned down. This sick note ban is cruel and inhumane, just like the government.

[@Tigger-roo1234]

100% agree with you and as a fibro etc sufferer myself it is so difficult to get help.. big hugs x

[@pinky-ud1rt]

Awww bless you hun i have fibro adhd deppressing anxioty so if my money is stopped im in troube..my mental issues is really bad i wish i could work i always walk away from people

[@flash-j9v]

@@pinky-ud1rtI have adhd, had depression and everyone gets anxious, adhd isn’t an Illness, anxiety is easily treatable as proven by many others including my partner and depression made me work harder to pull myself out of it, but I suppose it’s easier to make excuses now days

[@michealridgway7607]

​@@flash-j9vbut you can't get treatment often mowdays

[@bereal6590]

I hear you. It's like it isnt enough for them that youve already been through hell, they then put you through the Spanish inquisition, otherwise known as the pip process! Plus physical illness ends in mental illness as well because if it's long term it's so hard to deal with!

[@shantiwolf5291]

It’s not reform it’s performative cruelty

[@joetrent4753]

It’s ludicrous to think people will be stopped getting any benefits only to be forced to take a minimum wage job, assuming they are physically or mentally able to work, then have to rely on in work benefits to cover the cost of living. All the while they won’t get any help to overcome their mental health. A minimum wage job could very well just exasperate the mental health symptoms and fix nothing. The system is totally broken

[@WeirdSkellyK1]

Most employers aren't willing to take a chance on their with mental health issues It's not that people don't want to work. Most would give anything to function on normal level. And look what these younger people have been through. It's insensitive and naive

[@calicokittenproductions591]

maybe they want to push people off the ledge. Problem solved 😢

[@joanneazeez9938]

Agree with you

[@monkeymagic00001]

I am disabled and before I got pip I had to work manual labour jobs, I had to keep my disability a secret because I struggled to get jobs if I was honest, in the end I did so much damage to my body that I ended up on pip and ESA, since then my health has actually improved slightly and at times you would not know to look at me that I had these health issues (i still have constant pain which can not be seen only felt) but the way I used my benefits to increase my quality of life will not match what the government is suggesting and I will probably end up back where I started until my health deteriorates to a point where life is barely worth living. I for one refuse to destroy my life for the benefit of a government that actively acts against everything British people deserve.

[@briankerrison8504]

I get £1054 per month (pip/esa) no one pays my rent (£640pm) .. this leaves me £414pm for food & utilities.. I have secondary progressive ms.. which has put me in a wheelchair.. the immobility is now spreading to my arms.. I have put saving away to pay for equipment that I WILL need in the future.. this prevents me getting any help with rent rebates or council tax.. thus is the reality.. not what this program suggests.. they promote a senseless witch hunt.. 🙄🙄🤔🤔😎

[@garnhamr]

Are you sure you shouldn't you be getting housing benefit?

[@briankerrison8504]

@@garnhamr yes.. savings over 16k .. prevent eligibility for rent rebate through universal credit.. not to say, once I’ve spent savings below 6k.. on equipment ie elec wheelchair.. electric adjustable bed + chairs.. plus a daily carers.. (not nhs carers) agency 🙄🙄🤔😎

[@collinslfc]

Being paid over £1000 a month for not working isn't too bad to be fair

[@briankerrison8504]

@@collinslfc 🤭🤭😝😝😝😂😂😂😂 I paid into system for over 38 yrs.. paid 40% tax for the best part of 25 yrs.. how long have you been out of your leotard 🤣😂🤣😂😂🤣😂😎

[@collinslfc]

@@briankerrison8504 And what has your reply got to do with my comment? I don't recall asking how long you have worked for, nor do I care. And I have no idea what is with the excessive use of emojis, that's just weird.

[@lorna5193]

They seem to forget that we were put into a lockdown for two years which played havoc on people's mental health. As a retired counsellor psychologist, in my experience mental health is complex. Also and equally important is the fact that mental health facilities are at breaking point in this country. It amazes me how self-righteous this government is considering the vast amounts of money wasted during the pandemic. Instead of going after the most vulnerable in society go after those who use tax havens to avoid paying tax. Too close to the bone methinks.

[@janewright2800]

Well said!!

[@Gibbo1]

I agree but lockdown did make certain people lazy and they haven't bothered working since

[@johnwebster3001]

@@Gibbo1totally agree they need to get back to work!

[@keithpanton7486]

No Tory ever wants to ask WHY so many people are depressed or have other mental health conditions.

[@christopherdavis4135]

Probably because they know their policies are to a certain degree, responsible for this situation.

[@jujutrini8412]

Fix mental health care. If someone is stressed or in early stages of depression and prompt help is given they can be stopped from having a chronic condition. The poorer the services for people the more mental problems society will have. It’s not that difficult to fathom.

[@bigpants6121]

The Daily Mail readers will not see it this way unfortunately.

[@keirmitchell5560]

Still doesn't mean you give them handouts.

[@bigpants6121]

@@keirmitchell5560 you're ok jack? Nothing would happen to you!

[@joetrent4753]

@@keirmitchell5560If the system wasn’t broken then people wouldn’t need to be on disability benefits for a long time. If people don’t get some financial help, how do you expect them to live if they are too ill to work?

[@keithpanton7486]

@@joetrent4753 Or indeed, employers that will hire sick and disabled people and make adjustments for them, and allow them time off when needed.

[@tonybrett5209]

PIP is NOT easy to claim.

[@andyhoward940]

So you've tried then sponger !

[@laurentdewale5271]

@@andyhoward940 silver spoon fed knob!

[@michaelquayle5017]

Mike parry always was an plonker I'm in my sixties worked all my life and to be honest so glad I am the age I am as this right wing shite from the same people who ain't worked a proper job in there life like Perry no comparison tell you what parry go out and see the real world not the one in your tiny brain

[@noriwilliams4637]

Exactly and many people that claim are working so what is their argument.

[@tonybrett5209]

@@andyhoward940 on medical advice. I'd rather be working 60+ hours again, like I did throughout Lockdown - when REAL spongers sat at home because they could. Some of us didn't even get a round of applause and now struggle.

[@corpsebride843]

Having a little anxiety or depression is completely different to a lifelong diagnosis of anxiety and depression disorder. is not a gift it’s an absolute curse, every illness you have is ignored because they fob you off saying it’s just your anxiety and tell you to take a warm bath and have an early night.

[@kellykreqeli8924]

Actually it was better in the 80s people could afford to buy their own home bosses treated you better and there were bonuses with jobs what is there now?

[@user-Tortured-soul]

@ Kellykreqeli8924 I don’t know where you got your information from, but I can assure you I was struggling to make ends meet and thanks to my friends giving me clothing for my three children I don’t know what I would have done. Many in work were earning £30 per week and many lost their homes because interest rate’s rose to 18.6% then in 1981 interest rates dropped to 15%. Then we had the Miners strike in 1984 thousands lost their homes and jobs. There was nothing wonderful about the 80s for ordinary families it was awful.

[@Misaki.Manifestation]

Your'e a digit, and you are sc** unless you have 150k for your mortgage deposit, and can pay 2000 a month for 25 years. OK? - Any tory.

[@kellykreqeli8924]

@@user-Tortured-souli was born in 1978 in southeast London both my oatebts were working class we lived in a council flat my parents had 3 kids but because both my parents work they had the right to buy and bought their council flat which meant they were able to buy a place of their own Would you be able to afford a home now? And the wages are not in line with the cost of living bow you are lucky if you can even a ford to rent I remember a dan of coke a chocolate bar and crisps cost a total of 75p back then in 1982 how much is now? My point it was better back then!

[@WeirdSkellyK1]

Tory appeasement that's where that is

[@WeirdSkellyK1]

Maybe that's the plan. But they don't sadly

[@NeilHughes-ti6pz]

Tories so parsimonious with the British public, yet so lavish And generous with illegal immigrants and arms deals.

[@actuallypaulstanley]

Anecdotal myths of those on benefits living their best lives?!

[@keithpanton7486]

Perhaps if working paid enough to live on without needing benefits, and didn't treat people so badly, we'd have fewer sick people.

[@blackbearish]

we heard this in the 2010 to 2012.

[@24Roxyx]

A nice big tv and basic cheap holiday in the English seaside town. Wow hey living it large. Then debt to buy decent new clothes and footwear. Wow having it soo easy. Maybe the odd takeaway as the only treat in life😂 but hey such a good life on benefits 😂😂😂😂 Whilst others buy houses and go on luxury holidays having savings, home renovations, investments and security in life, but hey those on benefits drinking and smoking are so lucky and lazy. 😂😂😂😂

[@joanneazeez9938]

@@24Roxyxlast time I went on holiday to butlins was when my oldest kid now 28 years old was when she was 4 years old Don’t know where you get living on benefits is easy like people have loads of money on benefits we Don’t everyone is struggling working or on benefits unless your an MP or the President

[@olixz]

Havent the tories already made it a lot harder? So many issues they seem to be caught off guard.

[@janewright2800]

There will be many deaths😢

[@AlanWhitlam-ot2ds]

Lowest of the low just when you think the tories can’t sink any lower

[@rafezetter8003]

Oh Piss off. - there was a case where a policeman was on "sickness depression benefit" for YEARS - who was caught doing another job cash in hand. Benefits should be a LAST RESORT, not a cushy grift for the lazy and grifters.

[@Jokesonyou123]

@@rafezetter8003 The uk makes 2.274 trillion pound a year but 19 billion for sick people is too much meanwhile 2+ billion are spent on illegal people to put them in luxury hotels. Plus also there using the benefit system as well. And how much have we given to Israel and Ukraine ? Well.. 12 billion to Ukraine so far on a war they won’t win and for the war in Israel - Palestine we have given 9billion for aid lol oh don’t forget about the billions we give in foreign aid to corrupt countries. We even give China and India millions why I don’t understand. But ye it’s the sick and poor people !!!

[@Jokesonyou123]

@@rafezetter8003so because you know of one story every one should suffer alright then muppet

[@ig9765]

​A minority.

[@JPSRose]

​@rafezetter8003 The joke is, in many cases those who are receiving benefits are fleecing the system. And those who don't need them don't receive them.

[@jasoncooper9391]

Stop Mps expenses and put them on universal credit

[@scanipoos]

Yes

[@Tigger-roo1234]

😂😂😂😂 personal identity payment...its independence

[@collinslfc]

He made a Freudian slip, so what? It doesn't make his point any less valid.

[@rosemarycuthbert4623]

Thousands of people with disabilities have died under Tory austerity

[@DarrenSmith-wu8cm]

We have not seen anything yet we have not lived through hyperinflation yet we are going to witness this get ready for a global hyperinflationary depression by design we are going into a tokenized financial system

[@Gary-le7dz]

Thought the right wing snowflakes were for “ looking after our own “ ….. complete hunts

[@Misaki.Manifestation]

They think they can only look after their own wallet - now, they see that its a bit harder to buy that third pair of heels that month - things seem to change in their "minds", quite quickly.

[@robertrowell7271]

Leave the poor and needy alone. My solution make the footballers pay 80% income tax on their earnings cos if you do the maths and you are a 'prima donna' on 150k per week you would still have 30k a week to live on. That's what I earn in a year and lets face it being a footballer is not a job it's an overpaid pastime!! The Tories have missed a massive trick here and how much extra money could they earn if they taxed these lovely!! Boys at this rate. I will be fair to them and let's say you only pay 80p in the pound income tax if your weekly!!!!! Pay exceeds 100k,this would still rake in a huge amount of money so this answer is the government clutching at straws, tax the footballers more problem solved!! Am i right send me a 👍

[@bigpants6121]

dont forget Sunak will not go after the £m's of furlough fraud and PPE vultures!

[@andyhoward940]

Says a sponger with nothing up top !

[@collinslfc]

Do you know what would happen if you charged footballers 80% income tax? They would all move abroad, play for foreign clubs and the English football economy would fall apart costing the British economy billions. So that idea of yours, with a minor bit of basic critical thinking, falls apart very quickly.

[@northnsouth6813]

@@andyhoward940 Well said 22.6 million people are claiming some form of benefits out of a population of 67 million that's one in three.

[@bigpants6121]

@@collinslfc forgets about the £m's of furlough fraud and £m's of faulty PPE being stored, but no attempt to claw money back.

[@saywhaaaaat6464]

The biggest cause of increasing mental health issues is living in a tory society.....

[@kellykreqeli8924]

It took me 3 years to get help after my mum died in 2020 before you decided to cut people off make sure there are resources in place to help people to work And make sure the that wages are in line for the cost of living My son is 20 he has an educational plan he has Aspergers syndrome adhd extreme anxiety social phobia low moods with no confidence sleep problems he studies from home and he's tutor picked him up 2 days a week as he is with a familiar person and place My son has meltdowns can't deal with bright lights loud sounds crowds through no fault of his own he was born with it and I never made bad choices mental health runs in my family his an only child and he was a twin I lost one during pregnancy and autism can be prominent in twins

[@andyhoward940]

Plenty of benefits in your house then !

[@jamiepr1991]

​@@andyhoward940What a Vile comment!

[@kellykreqeli8924]

@@andyhoward940nope I was refused and I have never got a penny instead I've been in and out of work trying to support myself some of us don't get it so easy in life! I support myself because no one helps me! Dont make assumptions about people you know nothing about! Moral to this storey

[@kellykreqeli8924]

@@andyhoward940i was brought up in a time when no one gave you nothing and you had to work for what ever you got and I'm still this way today

[@danielcrane3648]

ur problen is called LIFE

[@Dani20240]

rishi sunak must go now. PLEASE replace rishi sunak now.

[@johnwebster3001]

He’s Toast, vote Reform UK

[@Dani20240]

Noooo, Do NOT vote reform, tory, labour. Vote Green, Lib Dem, SNP

[@stephenford2758]

The real unemployment level is much higher than what they are telling you. If you are on a zero hour contract, you are not counted as unemployed, even if you have no work. Also if you are on minimum wage, and you have work for say only 6 days, you are not counted as unemployed for the remaining three weeks of the month. Don't let the Conservatives CON you into believing there is low unemployment.

[@actuallypaulstanley]

Like many right wing policies and conspiracies, there is a tinge of truth but the end goal is further austerity that impacts those that can least afford the cuts.

[@jaynekittycat9252]

Don't target everyone with a depressive illness with the same brush. Everyone is different.

[@SimonSmith-yd6tt]

Vine says things are difficult doesn't mean you get ill!! Cost of living crisis rent up mortgages up food up = stress through the roof

[@trevorclarey3336]

Jeremy Vine , saying life's hard ?

[@janewright2800]

Thankyou Marina

[@jasoncooper9391]

This is nothing knew from the Tories

[@janetbrown6409]

This started under tony blairs labour. X

[@amandaallen5335]

Ptsd is not a normal everyday thing. Those are universit y students who had no support during covid. Those that had their first time away from home. Who couldn't get back. Who were told if they left the course during covid they wouldn't get back and they'd still have the debt. My daughter walked into a job after 3 years of covid university. She managed 3 days and had a breakdown in the workplace...... Tell me you can fix that..... I'm a councellor... I can be mum or counsellor I know exactly what caused the depression

[@jaynekittycat9252]

I have a diagnosed depressive illness, im not just fed up.

[@danielcrane3648]

get a job then

[@mattpickles2831]

We are on very little money for a longer length of time, It's not that we can earn more by way of active work/overtime etc. The gov has wasted billions on bad investments/decisions and now is targeting the most vulnerable/ disabled in our society. PIP is not fit for purpose. why is it always a battle to get the correct points? the assessors manipulate the truth determined to award very few points, then we are forced to appeal in a magistrate court just to win our acknowledgement for PIP allowance. Like the post office scandal, it's a disgrace that causes unnecessary stress.

[@martinobrien7110]

Excuse Me ? Mike Parry should be on PIP Disability Benefit .

[@ReeM-wz7bs]

...add therapists need to be paid. Unfortunately a lot are working unpaid at present.

[@Boo-pv4hn]

It’s because they’ve started taking it more seriously and actually diagnosing people correctly now instead of under diagnosing which would have happened years ago. The mental health system has got worse and worse year upon year resulting in more people not getting the support they need. That won’t be an overnight fix as it’s also the mentality of the staff you have running them there are NO reasonable adjustments for disabled people, so you should have at home mental health support like you do for physios for people who are house bound/ have severe difficulty getting out and so on. None of that is in place

[@DaveMuirhead]

People who are less able bodied need all the help and support they can get, in accordance with their level of incapacity. It's not their fault they have these issues. Whatever helps the most for those who need it is what should be on offer. Remember, the sign of a caring society, is how well looked after it's children, elderly and vulnerable are.

[@MartinSmith-qt3cc]

Mike pariah parry the genius who once came up with the brainwave for racehorses to have wing mirrors attached 👏👏👏

[@ibjensen8120]

Marina is just fantastic!

[@johnwebster3001]

Just as bad as that Amy on GB news🤦🏼‍♂️

[@JPSRose]

I have OCD and recently had a big relapse over the past year. This isnt mild anxiety or depression, it affects people on a daily basis and is one of the most debilitating illnesses you can have. Ive been trying to access help via the NHS and there is none, essentially. If i want treatment ill have to go private but i cant afford it since I genuinely don't feel well enough to work. I have never received any benefits in my life, but my only last hope of getting actual specialist treatment was if I was awarded PIP. Despite hardly leaving my home for six months and having suicide ideation on my records I still didnt receive a single point on their assessment criteria. PIP is not something that is easy to obtain. The idea that people are easily obtaining it and fleecing the system is pure propagada Im afraid. Im not your typical lefty soap dodger, but PIP is genuinely meant to be there to support people who need help - and in most cases those who should be eligible are turned away.

[@ShirleyRowarth-wn6xp]

"Personal identity payment?" 😂

[@kevthedruid]

what a great avert for the sucsess of "universal credit " ? they have been rolling it out forever and this proves its a falure, how long can you expect to hound someone to find a job if there are no jobs out there , before they feel depressed because they cant find something that isnt there ,there is no job security with agency work

[@joetrent4753]

The problem is, a lot of people need help and the DWP just want to force you look for any job without providing any help, yet they threaten you with sanctions if you don’t provide evidence of applying for jobs. I was unemployed many years back and nearly had a mental breakdown due to the stress and feeling so isolated and without any help. Also, the DWP don’t actually care if you get a job, they just want you off benefits so they can tick a box.

[@ThemessengersRevelation]

I have a friend who tried a job some years ago he almost killed someone in the job so how are disabled people going to do jobs like electricity gas even farming can be dangerous and many other jobs so what jobs will they be able to do

[@kristinamasters1663]

Most young people cant get a decent full time decent pay package people have o hours contracts or 10hours plus flexi and have to barter for extra hours and treated like rubbish at work.

[@Hermansthehat]

Crack down on illigal immigrants first

[@fionaburnett8578]

The goverment made this problem with their policies

[@Thechatteringclasses-oj6zy]

I am 73 so a pensioner not a claimant. Four yrs ago I became chronically ill due to a mystery virus. A lot of the time bedridden. Thought I was dying. My job was on my feet at 68 for 8 hrs a day with half hour break, heavy lifting. I had to literally beg my dr for sick notes. Got them at two weekly intervals. He had no understanding of my job, my age, my illness. After the endless pleading I gave up and gave in my notice in Feb 2020. So, no, it is not easy to get a sick note, it’s humiliating.

[@GeorgeHargrave-w4n]

Living in the UK would depress anyone..lol!

[@scanipoos]

Having badly hurt my back over 25 years ago as a school caretaker. Even sitting at a desk wasn’t possible . I’ve still got back pain. I can’t stand for long . Folk who are on benefits because their work put them at risk they should be allowed to stay on benefits

[@footballislife1595]

I have austim and receive PIP for this I also work but I need PIP for support for my every day challenges in life because of my disability I hope the government don’t take it away from me because I genuinely need to it along with millions of people who do need PIP need to target the people who are faking it and have no disability I have evidence so the government won’t take it away from me because I will appeal and get them done for discriminating against me.

[@paulbarrass2902]

Also autistic we be fine

[@ig9765]

The caller Rowena - the DWP have quite happily persecuted people with schizophrenia for ESA. True.

[@martingolding4951]

Am on pip. I have heart failure, heart murmur, enlarge heart, and severe arthritis in my hips, and I am hard of hearing would an employer employ me ??

[@antonw4671]

yes, as a paperweight .

[@DavidKingsmeadRickyLea]

It amazes me that people that back this nonsense are people from the 70s onwards where social care was far more funded than it is now. Housing cheaper, wages higher, energy cheaper, more and better paid jobs, list goes on. Incredible

[@johnwebster3001]

What! Ridiculous statement!

[@rosemarycuthbert4623]

Lets make the corrupt tory tax evaders pay

[@user-Tortured-soul]

I blame austerity measures and the fact that people can’t find well paid jobs that will keep a roof over their heads and pay the bills. The stress these people are under is of the scale. Little wonder that there’s a rise in mental health issues. People need to feel that they are rewarded for work their wages should cover all of there expenses and there should be enough left over to save. That’s just a basic to lift people out of poverty.

[@daved4547]

So, what do we 'think' occurred about 5 years ago? Hmm.. 🤔

[@robinmcara793]

PIP doesn't stand for what your guest said. This is just opinion. It's not based on reality. The audacity of Vine and the guest to talk about lives being hard, on their salaries, while they talk about issues, neither understand the complexity or difficulty of. Never mind being qualified to talk about. Then you made the caller uncomfortable. Shocking.

[@IrishScribbler]

Well said!

[@michaelclifford6468]

There a feckless people playing the system at the top and at the bottom. A financial comparison would be interesting.

[@Gilbertineable]

With real clinical depression - you can't do anything. You can't look after yourself and you feel trapped in a glass box. Nothing around you feels real. And all you can think of is something I can't mention. It can hit you out of the blue even when life is good - it is a real illness. And combined with anxiety it causes agitated depression. It is an absolute nightmare. I've had to cope with this for much of my life. Once, I had depressive illness for about a year. I never thought it would end. I could only lie in bed and look at my wardrobe.

[@noriwilliams4637]

Surely Migration is more important to crackdown on. Focusing on the most vulnerable in society is absolutely disgraceful.my brother committed suicide as a result of mental health issues, my dad had bi polar and schizophrenia and i have got Cpstd , anxiety and depressive disorder from history of neglect S abuse, R--- and domestic violence .Not saying i cant work but it has to be remote as cant be in public or social settings so some support is needed.getting adequate care in the NHS is virtually impossible. Sending love to all Mental health sufferers its no joke .

[@Elvis35-77]

This will be my 1st and last post. This has pushed me to the brink

[@sandrabell2940]

To be able to claim PIP, an applicant has to have been unable to manage the basics of daily living for 3 months prior to claiming, and be expected to be ill for at least 9 months after. This has to backwd up by evidence. Claiming disability is NOT an easy process. I'm sick of people assuming it is

[@ronbradshaw1522]

Mike needs to never be in this show again . Bloody disgusting remarks, i have cptsd and work full time , and therapy waiting times are currently around two years

[@terryelks-op3jk]

This type of skiving has been going on for many years and has got worse of late.I am not saying they arn't ill but I know of people who are quiet happy getting something for nothing.

[@moonshroom13]

they`re not depressed, they`re just fed up...absolutely pmsl...

[@Boo-pv4hn]

Your igniting you have to pay for social care out of it, so that’s £150 a week for just 5 hours. You’re also ignoring all the added costs for for example incontinence diapers. If you’ve got social phobia/severe anxiety you can’t do public transport so that’s taxi costs, if you don’t go out alone that’s costs of the person supporting you for lunch if your out at the hospital. If for example you need to go somewhere that is several hours train ride away and trains out you in a state of panic attacks then you’d need to pay for a night over at a hotel as just getting there would be overwhelming. I’ve been physically disabled, and I’ve had depression and anxiety agoraphobia ect. I felt more free when I was unable to physically walk than I did with my agoraphobia. The brain is a powerful thing and that’s being doscounted

[@andyhoward940]

End it !

[@Boo-pv4hn]

@@andyhoward940 ..?

[@truth-hurts3089]

Lockdown!!!!

[@thatgirlrayeraye]

As an autistic personwho works full time and also has Chronic Kidney Disease with only one predominantly worming kidney I can assure you working is hard. If you have too many absences 7 in a year, you could risk being dismissed. As someone whose chronically ill, it means I go to work out of fear of losing my job even if I am poorly. I receive PIP and its my only real financial security

[@ZoeDark-ed5ym]

Genuine anxiety and depression isn't a lifestyle choice.

[@helenclark2104]

This is the same story to judge people who are not doctors or medical professionals on this illness

[@lg_believe333]

We need to be mindful that depression is not the same as major depression with suicide ideation. And generalised anxiety is not the same as anxiety disorders like PTSD and OCD which is not just about fears of contamination but also includes debilitating, distressing intrusive thoughts and rumination’s that lead to paranoid thoughts. Mental health is complex and the scariest thing is, the people who have the biggest opinions about welfare reform are people who are sensualising this issue by making assumptions about mental health without any credible evidence to back up their findings and are completely ignorant, having no idea what it’s like to live with these longterm conditions on a daily basis.

[@sallystrutt6715]

Yes let’s go for vulnerable shall we

[@60poland]

PIP is NOT an out of work benefit. The entire discussion is wrong!!!! Disabled people claim PIP whether they work or not!

[@nitebulb4u]

I have paranoid schizophrenia and Asperger’s syndrome , I work part time and was advised by my local benefits office not to put them on my cv or I would never get a job. I made the mistake before and felt it would be okay to tell my employer, I was made to feel so uncomfortable I had to leave. I was born with these illnesses, I have them through no fault of my own . I was brought up to believe everyone should try and do something, but if I tell the truth people treat me like I’m an axe killer or worse. What do they want people like me to do? People do use depression and anxiety as an excuse, try living my life for a day. You would do anything to be just “ normal “

[@joetrent4753]

I have suffered with anxiety and depression for far too long now (over 30 years) and have extreme fatigue and hope to be assessed for autism as I find a lot of the time things can get so overwhelming and I can’t cope, my brain just wants to shut down. A shitty minimum wage, soulless job won’t help me. I absolutely hear you when you say you would do anything just to be normal.

[@nitebulb4u]

@@joetrent4753😊

[@60poland]

And he isn't just going after those with anxiety and depression. He's been on about people needing grab rails in the bath! I am disgusted.

[@SDavey-z7v]

Depression isn't a choice, there's so much to worry about

[@mandriod5255]

It’s a very complex issue and the Tories are just using it to bolster support for election and we know if they did bring this in would be under funded and done cackhanded

[@60poland]

Depression is a serious sometimes life threatening condition and this will cause deaths!

[@deniseisherwood6361]

I was left sick during the pandemic I had a bad heart an was not followed up by any doctor with it I was neglected which then left me very poorly I rang the doctors many times to be told to take antibiotics when I didn't need them

[@Thechatteringclasses-oj6zy]

What’s Rowena on about. It’s no such thing. Whoever gets that is such a rarity. My daughter is homeless, has a brain tumour plus many other conditions. She gets about £300 per month.

[@chriswestwood6490]

PIP is awarded due to disability and doesn't reflect someone's work status. It's being conflated with ESA or UC with limited capability to work. E.g. Pip funded talking therapy could help a person with anxiety & depression maintain a job rather than claim out of work benefits.

[@Keersty-z1z]

Neurodiversity - high functioning autism & ADHD - still comes under the umbrella of "mental health" - there's often more to depression and anxiety but rarely covered. When the goverment say they are gonna target "mental health" - most (if not all ) neuroderse suffer from anxiety and depression- but there is so much more complexity to the hidden disability - so if they are just lumped in the "mental health box - depression/ anxiety (diagnosis for Neurodiversity is 7year waiting list) then these people are gonna be forced into work with dire physical/ mental health consequences because of lack of tailored questionnaire for their condition and struggles - they need to evolve their assessment process and broaden their definitions of mental health.

[@terencefisher4707]

Marina Purkiss right again Vine wrong again showing his bias.

[@beverleyprice7468]

He doesn’t understand what PIP is for many people on PIP are working

[@3D_Printing]

Crack down on their Tax Avoidance pals

[@paulmessenger9836]

If the government can afford it keep paying it if not stop it

[@LilianMwikisa]

Young people growing up in care, leaving with no education, luck of social care groomed a lot of money to the homes who are not helping these children just making profits.sending them home with mental health.

[@liveinthelight796]

What happened is lockdown.

[@syriacchristianity9007]

They keep asking the same loaded question, why not punch up for a change? Like the royal family and all the billionaires we now have since brexit.

[@autisticautumn7379]

Do these people not think? How about the trauma of going through the pandemic ? Lots of long covid which I have had .The bar has not been lowered for mental health issues .I have SEVERE mental health issues and I do not receive help.The waiting lists for therapy is far too long and if you actually get therapy is the therapy actually appropriate ? BTW who wants to live on benefits its a horrible life it is a depressing life .Employers do not want to employ they won't make the appropriate accomodations.I have had about twenty full and part time jobs and I have two university degrees eventually I was breaking down mentally and physically trying to work.If I could find appropriate part time work with support I would work.The fact that there are more people claiming for mental health issues may also have to do with fact that many people went undiagnosed struggling for years to keep their lives together.I was diagnosed with autism and PTSD at 52 after struggling to stay in work and manage my life for many years.I had no other option except maybe the street I would have been made homeless. The government view is extremely short sighted they are not seeing the full picture.Employers also need to take some responsibility for this and offer the right support to help peopke stay in work.

[@Zebo262]

The system isn't paying people to deal with the ordinary difficulties of life. PIP..... Personal INDEPENDENCE (key word!) payment. This is given to people who struggle to be independent. People who experience difficulties, illnesses and disabilities, and the extra costs that come from this. A lot of which, for many people, are lifelong! Male guest, depreciates and judges mental health on a scale, while showing no understanding....... Strangely, people weren't happy with that response. Caring nation, when you are literally trying to justify people's illness and availability of support, when it's most definitely not easily accessible. As with much support. The lady taking tablets a few days before, so it was in her system when she was checked, would not have worked. It takes at least a month or two for medication to properly be in your system. So the medical team would have noticed that in their readings. I love how no one has mentioned the huge waiting lists for children and teenagers (young people!), even for children struggling with self harm and similar issues. Also the impact of COVID!

[@WeirdSkellyK1]

You need to know what you are talking about to address it correctly. And they don't.

[@thomaslewis5817]

2014 department of work and pensions tries to push my mum back to work she has a full mental breakdown and ends up getting sectioned in a mental hospital for a 3 months and then she's on permanent psychiatric medication for the rest of her life she cannot come off of them because they told her that she comes off of them they'll section her again because she is a risk to herself or others and this was all originally an anxiety issue because she suffered abuse but apparently that's not important you want people back to work and on courses right cos we're all lazy also it's not a new issue as you can see i did say 2014 it's every time there's an election rolling around they get after get tough on the benefit people

[@EIKLURAM]

They seem to have forgotten the pandemic.

[@user-paullynch]

It wasn’t worse in the 80’s at all, everyone was much happier and has he forgot about lockdown which sent people batty

[@DeanHuish]

Marina purkiss always tells the truth about what is going on, no bullshi- from her lips

[@retrobombstudios1258]

My mate gets full PIP and treated himself to a motorbike He’s been to Alton towers 2 this month and gets a special ticket so he doesn’t have to wait in line oh and they gave him a new car He’s having the time of his life So I know 1st hand that there are those that do take advantage Also immigrants are taught how to apply for PIP before they get here

[@angelstorm6001]

Its disgusting - cant wait for GE

[@Ocsshepherd]

Show me one person who likes to have mental health problems, they people who are talking about this unfortunately don't understand nothing about it. To wake up in the morning and don't know who you are and where you are is not a good life.

[@pooltableportal]

Sounds like they are looking after their buddies again. Only businesses on the voucher scheme benefit. Whereas independent family run businesses won't be on it. Now people can spend anywhere. If they do this only the likes of Asda, Morrisons etc will benefit as they do with the school meal vouchers. There's no option to spend at a local butcher or fruit and veg shop on them. It's not only going to badly affect disabled people but will affect the business sector too.