Rings of Power showrunners think it's a MASTERPIECE?!?

[@lennynull-funf-zehn5416]

just throwing in some appreciation for nathans development, he was the shy guy at the start of this channel and now he's this hardened veteran of media criticism screaming around like a Knight should do.

[@hankskorpio5857]

Oh for sure! Its cool seeing someone develop over time. Miss Shad of course on this one but hes got a great crew 👍

[@jeremyn8562]

Nathan.... he's seen some shit

[@firewolf2930]

Nathan: You haven't seen what I have seen Us: Thank you so much for watching this garbage for us

[@andreasdimopoulos5826]

War can truly change a person!

[@taker610]

Oz and Shad wouldn't let him get a word in. He was once the student but now HE is the master.

[@mechazoic]

I think that _”Adapting the material for a modern audience”_ has now supplanted _”Subverting expectations”_ as the biggest red flag for any new addition to an existing franchise

[@thatdarnkitteh]

One seems to lead to the other in a vicious cycle of bad writing choices 😔

[@TGPDrunknHick]

it's the same thing. they both subvert our expections for a good story with consistency to its past.

[@SRMoore1178]

Another contender is "reflect the world we live in today". The young "modern audience" seemed to enjoy the old antiquated trilogy of films from the early 2000s way more than this RoP trash. We're in effin' 21st century and the early 2000s aren't modern enough? FFS.

[@StudM01]

Yup, it's now code for the pop culture franchise version of "We're going to kidnap your baby and raise it to be a douche-waffle."

[@rcrawford42]

The impression the books give you of the forging of the rings is of Celebrimbor (and Sauron) putting his will into it, his skill gained from centuries of practice. The show reduces it to metallurgy, then tries to rescue it by making mithril something more than it was. If mithril was so critical to the lives of elves, would Bilbo have been allowed to leave Rivendell with his mailshirt after the Battle of the Five Armies?

[@rockmangurlx4973]

Considering some of them they were willing to kill anyone in their way over three shiny rocks. I doubt he’d be allowed to leave.

[@philipphammer3474]

Metallurgist here and I refuse to call whatever they displayed "Metallurgy"

[@blacksheep9505]

Mithril was just supposed to be an extremely strong light metal when forged properly. Rare and naturally occurring.

[@dariovirga7711]

Also, worth mentioning, said to be "easy to work as copper", so it being difficult to forge/smith with is another dumb mistake. These guys just don't understand anything

[@blacksheep9505]

I would maybe understand them making up parts of the story but they are literally going out of their way to go against the lore.

[@petriew2018]

Mithril was literally a macguffin, a vaguely defined plot device that drove the dwarves to dig too deep That's not a criticism, because it's a macguffin Tolkien integrated very well into the world, it's ill-defined but it doesn't feel out of place. It's a rare ore in a magical world, not much more you really need to understand for every subsequent piece to fit into the puzzle Mithril in Rings of Power is a prime example of a very terrible Macguffin. It's absolutely vital to the world building.... but fuck me if it makes any sense at all. It's just there, it's connected to everything, but mechanically it makes no sense. And worse, you can tell it's there to create drama that otherwise should not exist. It's just such terrible writing at such a basic level.

[@majkus]

@@petriew2018 Not quite a McGuffin in Lord of the Rings, since the mithril-coat plays a critical role at one point. But the idea of taking something that is already a fantastic substance (impossibly light, strong, valuable) and adding a magical property to it (including, problematically, making it self-luminous) only shows how little the writers understand fantasy.

[@silverscorpio24]

And Elves' immortality is as natural to them as having ears and eyes.

[@artyjnrii]

They're right about RoP bringing families together. My father came back from buying milk at the store ten years ago to tell me how shit the show is. He's away again now, but I expect he'll return when season 2 releases.

[@eyesfullofsky9776]

"Son, I know I haven't been around for you all that much -and I'm sorry. But what's important is that at least you didn't write the Rings of Power, and I'm proud of you." "And on that note, I forgot to pick up smokes while I was out, you and your mum hold down the fort."

[@inkblotCrisis]

I think there's no doubt in anybody's mind as to why these showrunners never got a greenlit pitch in their 10 years. What in the world?

[@EyeOfMagnus4E201]

Hey, they were able to speak elvish! Obviously they are Tolkien experts! Honestly, if I were Jeff Bezos, everyone stupid enough to green light dumb and dumber to write RoP would be job hunting right now.

[@radagast7200]

@@EyeOfMagnus4E201 Bezos wanted to subvert Tolkiens work, and was willing to throw millions down the drain to that effect. It's part of their color revolution... destruction of the four olds, and all of that.

[@AnnaMarianne]

@@EyeOfMagnus4E201 Ai na vedui, mellon nîn! Mae govannen! Im melin le... Now, where's my billion dollars streaming series? I have lots of script ideas.

[@river9548]

The misunderstood artist card eh ? Well sorry to disappoint, but a turd covered in glitter is still a turd.

[@superfuss1984]

Plot Twist: Bezos insisted to use these "Writters"...

[@MrPsych77]

I feel like the showrunners are an example of what Tolkien wrote about. Hubris leading to one's downfall. Just like Smaug, Saruman, and the Witch King.

[@MrPsych77]

@@SquirrelASMR no we're sticking to lord of the rings examples

[@MrPsych77]

@@SquirrelASMR lol Fair enough I just felt it appropriate to stick to Tolkien examples since the showrunners kept going on about "go back to the book"

[@kamion53]

👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@shanehill2411]

Yes."the shadow that made them can only mock and not create.Sound familiar.

[@redsuperman7739]

Get over youself

[@Beard_Hood]

Dude... the amount of crazy that's come out of the woodwork since 2016 is astounding. How could they think this drivel is a masterpiece?!

[@tyr3759]

Arrogance

[@ericswag8465]

They live in such an echo chamber that they are encouraged by the people around them(who share their ideology and like the same things) Thats why these type of atrocities get 1 billion dollar budget.

[@eamonnholland5343]

The people in power are antithetical to truth. To maintain their power, they must infiltrate, subvert, corrupt, and take over every institution imaginable. The most important, and first, institutions they take control of are those that dispense information. Schools, media, news, Hollywood, social media, etc. It allows them to control the discourse, to control what information people are exposed to. Not only do they get to curate what gets released, prioritizing their propaganda, they censor any dissent or disagreement with their propaganda. They curate narratives beneficial to themselves, to help maintain their own power, to a detriment to the people, keeping us dumbed down. As the world deteriorates under their power, due to all of their lies, people begin to notice the insanity more, and begin to question the official narratives more, and those that speak them. Thus, to maintain power, the evil people at the top must espouse increasingly ludicrous lies. "Our garbage is truly a masterpiece." "Trans men are men." "Sex is a social construct." "Children can consent to s--." "Freedom is slavery." "Right is wrong." "Logic is racist." And so on. As the world crumbles around us, the lies they tell us make less sense. Furthermore, those in power, due to their nature as liars, believe and practice some truly abhorrent behaviors and philosophies. We're experiencing the slippery slope. They've always wanted to get us to these abhorrent degenerate places in society, but couldn't come right out and say it for fear of immediate and justified reprisal. They had to slide society from point A to B, B to C, until we're finally at Z. They've boiled us slowly toward their desired goal. This is why the slippery slope isn't a fallacy when dealing with liars, hiding their true intentions.

[@Kale13000]

2016 was when the world starting getting really polarized (got worse in 2020-2021.) no one has any respect for anyone unless they think exactly the same as them, and that includes Hollywood writers. They don’t write for their audience, they purposely write what they think they’re audience will hate. It’s nothing but an endless ploy to drum up controversy and arguments

[@swagathan5]

Wait, was this show announced in 2016? Or are you talking about people becoming crazy in general?

[@bubbadarth]

I had 2 people come into work yesterday while I was watching fellowship of the ring. They came in and said that rings of power is an amazing and told the story of tolkien great for people who haven't read the books. And I was about ready to kick them out of the store

[@bubbadarth]

How can people be so dumb that they think this is a not just decent or whatever show they actually think it's an amazing show

[@elminster8149]

@@bubbadarth Mismanaged expectations. 🤣

[@bars5555]

@@bubbadarth They don't actually watch the show, they have it on TV while they read about how great the show is on their phone. My brother fell into this trap, hes just a casual TV watcher who is more into outdoors/fitness and didn't even realise what he was doing.

[@bubbadarth]

@@bars5555 yeah I imagine that they just take what the showrunners and what the show says as fact instead of actually seeing what's being shown in the show.

[@RoninDave]

they are the kind of morons raised on a diet of JJ Abrams mystery boxes and plagiarized homage who think a random out-of-context easter egg is brilliant. They are the ones South Park's memberberries were making fun of

[@namenloss730]

12:00 They didn't use the dwarven forge though. The CGI shots of the city show that forge still under construction. So the showrunners say something that is contradicted on screen... Yet again...

[@Ibajedi]

Their writing is as subtle as a brick to the face. Or a baby's first book.

[@RetroPages]

They're like stoned junior high kids saying things to each other like, "have you ever really thought about the word 'walrus'?" and thinking they're having a deep conversation.

[@tyr3759]

The sea is always wet

[@barret-xiii]

@@RetroPages "dO yOu knoW Why a Ship flOats, anD a sTOne DoEs nOt?"

[@TaoScribble]

You shut your face: The Land Before Time fanfiction I wrote in kindergarten was LEAGUES better than this!

[@eyesfullofsky9776]

I always called myself the "social equivalent of a brick through the window" -this shit is the social equivalent to hearing fucking air raid sirens as the entire goddamn horizon glows with nuclear fire.

[@kongilian]

If anyone says this is supposed to be a younger, more wild Galadriel, remind them that she's the oldest elf still alive in the second age.

[@babilon6097]

Not really. There was Glorfindel and other born in Amman. They were easily as old.

[@kongilian]

Glorfindel doesn't get sent back until later, and their are no other named elves from her generation or older. Oropher may be as old as her, but, to my knowledge, we are never told.

[@babilon6097]

@@kongilian When Frodo reaches Rivendell it is said that he saw Glorfindel as a luminous being because "those who lived in the blessed realm live in both worlds at once". And there is a number of such powerful elves in Rivendell.

[@kongilian]

I stand corrected, oldest named elf.

[@babilon6097]

@@kongilian Well you may still be right. We don't know who was born earlier. But as long as both come from the blessed realm, the difference is insignificant.

[@TheEmperorsChampion964]

Just a friendly reminder that they had a bunch of characters survive a pyroclastic flow to the face that just got them to be a little bit dusty when they should have been turned to ashes

[@suenzhong7891]

Marcus knows book lore and that makes me happy. Shad and Nathan's reviews and reactions on RoP were fantastic but there's just something about seeing a fellow Tolkien lore appreciator laugh and rage about RoP.

[@SymonOnua]

When they brought up the fact that these people get paid so much to make horrible content, it brought back an old memory. In about 4th grade we had people bring their parents to school to explain their careers. One of them was an actor, and what they said perfectly embodies the show runners and producers here: "You could be the best actor ever, but if you had someone not do exactly as instructed, the worse actor who followed directions would be hired instead." These people are malleable and willing to push an agenda. That's all. The people in charge KNOW they're not the best or even good for that matter, but they do what they're told.

[@ironcladnomad5639]

Yep. And we're seeing that everywhere, not just in Amazon. A lot of people are getting lucrative, high-profile jobs because they're malleable and ascribe to a particular identity.

[@Mategeneral]

They make awful shows which will flop no matter how much propaganda or brainwashing. How is this a profitable direction? Or what are the ideas that worth burning so much money to advertise?

[@finn2718]

“Goldmine of cringe” should be the season 2 tagline

[@bars5555]

If they lean into it and get Tommy Wiseau to play Tom Bombadil I'm in.

[@scottphillips8607]

"Mithril mine of cringe." It's a metaphor for how deep the cringe is because mithril is mined deep in the earth.

[@clownofthetimes6727]

This show encouraged me to watch all the films again and listen to the Silmarillion and LotR`s on audio book. I never realised how much Tolkien meant to me before this show came out! I suppose it was a psychological defence against the writers destruction of Tolkien`s story.

[@kbaccari88]

The show is a demonstration of hubris ending in tragedy. That's not the same as Shakespearean

[@InkyMuste]

The new host fits in perfectly, nice to have someone more knowledgeable of the lore in these discussions. As for what these showrunners are spewing out, it's the same as if someone smeared shit on the wall and started to explain how it's actually a profound piece of art with a deliberate stench and texture.

[@OcarinaSapphr-]

'Subtle'?! Like a f*cking sledgehammer's subtle! Just when you think they've hit rock bottom, they get a damn pick-ax...

[@Sw0rm]

I shut the TV off and put a stripe of paint on the wall and watched it for 3 hours, that emotional stirring journey held me captivated the whole time. But mostly I think I was just glad to stop watching the rings of power.

[@figjam9530]

"The sea is always right." - King Lear, probably

[@gwoody4003]

Glad to see Nathan can have a right freak out as well as Shad 😆 Its really hard to discuss RoP without yelling about something. Idk who is a fan of American Football... but watching Rings of Power was like watching the Detroit Lions play. I tune in to see how they are gonna blow it this week. I never been so angry at a show.

[@RiylanCorma]

I recently realized that Marvel is now the Detroit Lions of film franchises. They keep finding new ways to ruin the universe.

[@creatrixZBD]

Ngl, i skip forward or move on if the shouting goes on for more than a moment. Too much (not saying nobody else is allowed to enjoy that aspect)

[@eyesfullofsky9776]

It's like watching pro players absolutely fucking destroy crippled children, then act like they did such a good job that game.

[@Norbert_Sattler]

16:45 Now I have an image in my mind of Celebrimbor bashing two cold, solid pieces of metal together and going "I don't understand why they refuse to combine!" ^^

[@sarahgould5435]

Amazing to hear from you again, Nathan! And Marcus is showing himself a wonderful addition already. He's got the head-clutching down pat in less than 24 hours! And how exactly could anyone not notice the shipping? Sauron talks about "marrying" the metals together, suggests making specifically *two* rings, and then asks Galadriel to be his queen and bind him to the light. Where is the subtlety? Where's the investment of richness? Apparently their "original intent" was that to bear a ring of power was to *not* be alone.

[@obsidianblade266]

By the logic "a rock sinks because it looks down", wouldn't that imply that if you turn it around it floats?

[@BertzTriscut]

"We didn't know until episode 2 or 3 that he was playing Sauron." Uh... that's when he showed up. That's also when everyone else figured it out. If that's a closely guarded secret to them, then oh boy are they dumb. And if they made the full script available to the actors and crew, then they would know as well. But considering what they did when Jackson asked for said script, I wouldn't be shocked if they wrote it all by the seat of their pants.

[@strzygon5426]

It's the last of us 2 'being like Schindlers list' thing all over again

[@forrestdorman4870]

Wait they ACTUALLY said that about the last of us 2? That’s just embarrassing.

[@RN1441]

Rings of Power is just like Shakespeare with an important caveat. The show runners and executives remind me of the characters such as Caliban and Malvolio, proudly crossgartering their outfits and presenting themselves to the world as very clever boys, while most of the people they encounter see them as detestable and full of hot air.

[@Bot.number.69420]

I already miss the times we talked about this show with my friends for hours... It was so unbelievable shait and incompetent on all fronts. Best thing about this show was making people watch the movies and read the books as people wanted to see how much they got it wrong. Also having Knight's watch marathon streams after episodes was very entertaining. Who knew makers of RoP would give us more indirect content. Such masterpieces.

[@draydensmith9043]

Well said! I enjoyed Shad's critique much more than I enjoyed watching the Rings of Dog crap!👏👏👏

[@jkleylein]

The problem is that you and your friends had to watch it in order to know how crap it was. This show didn't deserve the consideration of having been viewed at all.

[@Peterski]

For me the funniest idea is that Galadriel could defeat Sauron one on one. He's a demigod, she's just an elf...

[@JosePerez-nz4bl]

Very well done Marcus. Good synergy and charisma. Think you’re gonna do just fine.

[@Sock-Monster-Simian]

I'd say the dagger had more of a character arc than Galadriel. It went from being a gift of love, to being corrupted by Galadriel's insane lust for revenge (and other kinds) on Sauron, until it was finally melted into some pretty rings for cool magic and stuff (which is what they might just boil down to with these show runners' reputation so far); finally being used for good again (instead of Galadriel's evil).

[@RoninDave]

I can't understand anyone liking ROP unless they are fully committed to the culture wars or really have no standards when it comes to fiction not understanding how basic storytelling works. Then there's the "emperor has no clothes" defenders bending over backwards to convince us shite is chocolate ice cream. There's no hidden brilliance here and it's cringy to force such meaning on it.

[@silverscorpio24]

Congrats Amazon. You gave two toddlers the Mona Lisa and let them finger-paint all over it.

[@firewolf2930]

I am really enjoying this combo of Knights. Nathan and Marcus already have good chemistry. I wonder if they knew each other before. Also, Marcus keeps impressing me with his depth of lore knowledge with this and HoD

[@sirrantcelot]

Thank you, glad to know I'm doing alright despite being a complete novice.

[@towelman8589]

@@sirrantcelot You're doing a great job man!

[@kithrynevergreen]

maybe the other metals look down and mythril is looking up. that's why they won't merge. 🤣🤣🤣

[@haleyschreiter9746]

Excellent video, guys! Marcus speaks like a knowledgeable Tolkien fan 😊 Thanks for being more entertaining than the abysmal show itself!

[@sirrantcelot]

You're welcome. Glad you enjoyed our pain.

[@GuyjinOnline]

18:08 This part of the discussion reminded me of how The Force in Star Wars ended up getting explained away. "Medchlorians", they had to make up. SHEESH!!

[@sebotto5149]

They completly eliminated the 16 rings Sauron made with Celebrimbor and every chance they could make them together.

[@ethanhandel1001]

Not necessarily. Remember that in the show Celebrimbor still doesn't know Halbrand is Sauron because Galadriel never tells him. So if Galadriel leaves, they could have him come back to make the rest.

[@jackjohn4156]

@@ethanhandel1001 So Celebrimbor is an idiot… Well that’s an absolute disrespect to the character

[@RiylanCorma]

@@jackjohn4156 Well, considering he didn't know about alloys until Not Sauron told him about them, that ship looked down long ago.

[@RoninDave]

@@RiylanCorma celebrimbor rode a short horse to metallurgy school when he was a kid

[@ethanhandel1001]

@@jackjohn4156 Yeah, I think the show portrayed him as way dumber than he should be the whole time. But in this scenario I don't think not knowing who Sauron is makes him look worse, why would he have any reason to think Halbrand was Sauron based only on show events?

[@summer7603]

This is pure marketing strategy from Salke Her job is on the line and she needs to make this work however she can its pathetic because its just rage baiting and click farming hoping people will give it a look after all the drama

[@firewolf2930]

And how she thinks any of this will mitigate the response if people actually do give it a look is beyond me.

[@draydensmith9043]

Hopefully that won't work! This show is incredibly boring I fell asleep watching every single episode and I didn't have to rewatch it because nothing ever happens!!!!

[@spanglelime]

“Amazon - where fantasy goes to die.” This finally got me. I’m dead💀😆

[@DragonKing-te9wy]

The phrase the writers must have for this failure is: "Don't break what ain't fixed."

[@aeonise]

Getting an ad for House of the Dragon halfway through this was more poetic and impactful than anything in RoP.

[@samuraichicken2315]

Galadriel's Brother: Why does a bird fly but not a dog? This is because the bird looks up while..... Galadriel: What about an emu? Brother goes silent while the writers disappear, furiously googling what an emu is. 20 minutes later: Brother: An emo can't fly because they are always weighed down with negative thoughts.

[@TheLegendMaster]

I really like Marcus, I think he fits right in with The Watch and I already feel like he's been here for ages!

[@rudykreutz3881]

Combining forcefully is how you get Damascus patterns. Alloys are melted together

[@michelecastellotti9172]

whats that? someone made a 5 minute research on the internet to get things right? we cant have that here

[@rudykreutz3881]

@@michelecastellotti9172 tbh, I didn't even do that. I watched Forged In Fire .

[@absolutechaos13]

A little different but explosive plate welding is the ultimate form of "forcing metals together."

[@carbon1255]

@@rudykreutz3881 That was a mistake, that is called pattern welding. Damascus steel is entirely different and very specific, it just looks similar to pattern welded steel.

[@oscarstainton]

Payne & McKay think their show is a masterpiece? Pretty bold statement for guys with a combined IQ of room temperature (in CELSIUS). Yeah, well just watch as their "masterpiece" gets forgotten about within a year while we're still loving Tolkien's books and enjoying the *true* film adaptations decades later.

[@beowulfsrevenge4369]

If they're comparing ROP to Shakespeare, I don't think they've ever read or been to one of his plays. A child could make a better show than what they made.

[@roninelenion4805]

As an English and theatre major, yours is an accurate statement.

[@user-ks5cg5cd7m]

I think the writers drew the one ring on the floor, printed various elements of TLOTR and the Silmarillion on 3x5 cards, threw the cards in the air, and picked up the ones that landed in the circle to write their story. So many things from the ROP are lifted out of context from the source materials and made to mean their opposite.

[@BKPrice]

"They can't stop talking." We don't need them to stop talking, we need them to stop writing.

[@onyx00303]

If the dagger and the mithrill all mix together, how do we get 2 gold rings and one silver ring?

[@darktenor4967]

I love the writers attempt at foreshadowing. It's like a version of A new hope where Obi wan says to Luke: "Your father was a powerful Jedi who wore a black cloak, carried a red light sabre and had breathing difficulties", then when Ob iwan confront's Darth Vader he greets him with: "Once you walked the sky, now you walk the path of darkness!" I've heard it said that an author cannot write a character more intelligent than they are, this also proves that an author cannot write for an audience more intelligent than they are! And these are the people trying to carry on the work of one of the greatest authors, and philologists who ever lived, whose academic works are still! seminal in their field, let alone his literary output.

[@armoredghost918]

When the Elves offered the dwarves 5 centuries of timber, I guess those trees just hadn't earned their place

[@the98themperoroftheholybri33]

They somehow made Sauron appear more good than Galadriel. Galadriel is a bloodthirsty warrior obsessed with revenge and cares nothing about the soldiers who serve under her, and often is outright hostile to people she meets for the first time.

[@Yarblocosifilitico]

This is actually unnerving. The dumbing down of everything has been going on for a while, but this level of stupidity is scary. Only a five year old could be shocked by the Sauron reveal.

[@ZM-jb6gc]

It's Shad's destiny to hold an internationally renowned, family friendly medieval festival one day.

[@falguard]

In their eyes, this is a masterpiece. This is the high bar for what these two can accomplish. They can do no better. They have reached their utmost extremity and poured all of their talents into the creation of this thing. That is...profoundly sad. If this show were a ring, it would be of plastic. Cheap plastic. With the vacuum metallized coating rubbing off at a touch.

[@InkyMuste]

A textbook example of the Dunning-Kruger effect at play, that's what those two are.

[@eyesfullofsky9776]

And it'd have plastic gemstones -also a few empty sockets where some of them fell out, revealing the unpainted plastic color underneath.

[@JJ_6036]

It's called arrogance. Plain and simple.

[@tonythaler8472]

Rocks and boats have eye balls because the sea is always right.

[@katarinakremberg1319]

Speaking of Halbrand, I am still inclined to believe that he was not supposed to be Sauron at the beginning. But the had to course correct when the first backlash happened, specifically when they admitted there is no Sauron and no Rings in the first season.

[@richter6699]

Hell yeah brothers, excellent channel and great vibes all around. New dude fits right in perfectly. Welcome to the family :)

[@JohnMiller-zr8pl]

Already placed an order, now the wait starts.

[@Yarblocosifilitico]

22:39 Nathan has become hilarious hahaha And I like the new guy as well

[@epsilonfallen5830]

Now that I have a bit of insight into, what went on in the writers heads, I am now 100% convinced, that they were high while writing the show. I don't know how anyone could come up with all the supposed symbolism. There's no way a sober person came up with this.

[@creatrixZBD]

I wanna know how come the piece of Mithril was exactly the same when they made the rings, as before they started experimenting with it? What did they use for the failed experiments?

[@johnnydollar579]

"It's just like Shakespeare" maybe if Shakespeare was concussed.

[@JamesTaylor-mn1dr]

the mithril was obviously an ancient cage for the balrog and the dwarves broke it out of ignorance and greed and doomed themselves.

[@Youpoorsouls]

Man I wish my self esteem and ego was as high as these showrunners 😂😂

[@Linkman247]

I was never like a hardcore tolkien fan but I respected it and loved the Jackson trilogy. Seeing the desecration of Tolkiens work made me buy the illustrated set with work by Alan Lee. I can sympathize with LotR and Halo fans seeing what they have done with The Witcher on Netflix. And now that Cavill will be gone? My interest in the Witcher show has hit rock bottom.

[@LeutnantJoker]

The Witcher show was garbage since day one. When a lead writer is a lady that prominently calls herself "Patriarchy smasher" on her social media profiles, what exactly did people expect? World class writing? Witcher is garbage, it pisses all over the slavic source material.

[@Linkman247]

@@LeutnantJoker The interesting thing is that she was the showrunner on Daredevil. You know before Disney fucked it revoking the rights and then inserting a beloved version of the character into She Hulk. So I think a lot of people myself included thought, oh well shit if they got the showrunner from Daredevil... The showrunner isn't the writer though so... at any rate..there were elements I liked about the show. The casting of Joey Batey as Dandelion and his chemistry with Cavill as Geralt. I did largely watch it for Cavill. Then in Season 2 they royally fucked up the character of Vesemir and killed off Eskel which royally pissed me off. So many beloved works are being bastardized. Fortunately we will always have the written works of JRR Tolkien and the Jackson Trilogy. We will always have Witcher 3: Wild Hunt.

[@RoulicisThe]

5 minutes in the video and I can already feel my brain melting from all the stupidity oosing from the showrunners comments... And we've got two nice guys filtering it to try and make it enjoyable. Glad I didn't read the thing myself, I'd have probably turned into a sea urchin of some sort...

[@Meop79]

They still didn't explain why one mix of metal made rings of different colors...

[@Czejenesku]

Been out for a while, come back and Shad gets younger and more handsome :D

[@sirrantcelot]

No, no, that's just me, Marcus. Glad you enjoyed the vid.

[@kamion53]

As it is very likely and logic the scenes at the start and at the end on the raft were filmed in a close session and not weeks or episides apart, Charlie Vickers must have been very, very daft not knowing he was Sauron in disguise. I start wondering he even knew after closing the season he was Sauron in disguise. Daft on a Raft.

[@bombchus]

Aaaaaah! I thought Nathan got the boot as well. Glad your still on watch!

[@watchit3746]

After two videos with Marcus are out now, I'll correct my initial judgment about him I gave after watching his teaser...well that video didn't make him justice, he's a good guy. I think he has not yet stood out giving his best, but I hope he will. After all, he must acquire greater confidence, it is normal. I have only one piece of advice to give at this point: try to control your hands Marcus, they distract a little and make you look anxious and insecure even if you are not.

[@sirrantcelot]

Cheers for the kind words, and yeah I'll try to work on that. Still quite new to being on camera.

[@Inug4mi]

I think they have to lie to themselves that way or else they’ll go crazy considering how truly big the the failure is here.

[@Yarblocosifilitico]

Yep. Cognitive disonance. Also, plain narcissism, probably.

[@kaelinvictus6039]

Sometimes I truly wonder why their previous years worth of scripts were always rejected. Why? Don't know 🤷

[@gazlife7963]

The tower they supposedly forged the rings in couldn't be the forge the dwarves built coz when you see the top blow up in the attempt of making the rings it has ivy growing on the side if it.... it takes a long time for ivy to grow so its impossible its the same tower.

[@davesilkstone6912]

I agree with the writers about RoP being emotional, I've seen Nathan, Shad and now Marcus screaming at the writers for hours on end :D

[@StandTheOffensive]

I never take anyone seriously who compare the works to someone else’s art. Especially if that art is The Dark Knight, or scriptures of old. The dumbfounded showrunners of The Rangs of Powa did both. However, this phenomenon is not recent. The writers of Skyfall, Prometheus and Alien Covenant did this repeatedly when they made those films. And all of them are sh’t. Yes, I said Skyfall is sh’t. “Masterpiece” has been a meaningless wording longer than many may think.

[@jarotheboar8398]

If they call RoP a masterpiece, then watching paint dry is a FLAWLESS magnum opus at least watching paint dry is entertaining

[@greyworld6242]

33:34 honestly the cenabites from the new hellraiser movie look more beautiful then them!

[@veeclash4157]

The real problem with JD Payne and Patrick MacKay is that they have very high ambitions but lack the skill to get to be where they want to be. They APE and MIMIC better writers such as Shakespeare, Tolkien, Milton, etc. and end up just looking like fools and morons. As the saying goes 'their ambition exceeds their grasp'.

[@frostfang7670]

Writer: we called it alloyed since it’s like how metals come together Nathan raises his hand: That’s not how metals work Writer: Why you getting worked up about it, it’s a fantasy!

[@anvec6145]

Seeing Nathan "Going Full Shad" about inconsistencies is very entertaining, Marcus is a great addition too. Knight's Watch has better character arcs and development than RoP confirmed Marcus: "I don't think I've ever seen writers so arrogant before" The Audience: "Missed the She-Hulk Arc, lucky man"

[@thatdarnkitteh]

The meaning they're trying to give everything makes me think of answering literature questions in school. Just pick a vague metaphor and run with it until you've written enough words.

[@Knight_Astolfo]

Hi, I've been under a rock for a while. So Nathan ate Shad to gain his powers and Oz had some cosmetic surgery done? The lore here makes more sense than Rings of Power, at least

[@CuriousityFTW]

I just don't understand... Why they thought tying the well being of elf immortality to a mineral was a good idea...

[@ctrlaltdebug]

The whole story of the first season can be summed up as a self-fulfilling prophecy brought about by revenge-quest Galadriel turning mystery-box Halbrand into Dark Lord Sauron.

[@cathakjordi]

Im not even sure why anybody is surprised about them thinking that. One can't honestly turn 1 billion dollars into something this bad unless you are deeply delusional.

[@RekOfExile316]

I still find face-palming humor in the fact that they needed gold and silver from Galadriel's dagger to make the rings. What seasoned warrior, exactly, uses a dagger made from such fragile metals?

[@Sullivanin]

Yes they could have at least removed the decorative parts on the hilt. Are they saying the BLADE is made of gold or silver?

[@Migalouch]

Nathan definitely channeling Shad with the anger and yelling haha

[@LeutnantJoker]

With the garbage the entertainment industry is pushing out these days that's the only reaction you can have to all of it. Star Trek, Star Wars, Ghostbusters, Halo, Witcher, Lord of the Rings and probably countless other stuff is being pissed on time and time again. It's an entire generation dedicated to completely poison and destroy everything that came before.

[@stevenlornie1261]

Man, Nathan's balls dropped! The guy has fairly came out his shell. He's become a very entertaining fellow. :)

[@brickgarden]

I’m usually a quiet person myself but when you mention the abomination of RoP I go on a passionate rant and loose it a little bit…not unlike Nathan lol

[@AlBQuirky]

"Who is Saurron?" I thought it was Galadriel! LOL

[@morganspector5161]

The showrunners only prove the old adage: better to remain quiet and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt. If the showrunners think that their "twists" are so special, then as Jake Gittes said in Chinatown: "if you think that, you're dumber than you think I think you are"

[@matus19971]

The main problem of Sauron being in love with Galadriel is the fact that the Ainur (Valar and Maiar), nor the Aratar themselves, engage in actual romance via love. The relationships that they have are born throug the union of their power, its about the compatibility and how well they enhance eachothers powers. They are powerful by themselves, but united ("married") they become almost unstoppable. It is not your traditional love.

[@christophertheriault3308]

Melian may disagree.

[@matus19971]

@@christophertheriault3308 she was the only one known to couple with the children of Iluvatar, however it was never stated that she was in love with Thingol the way we understand love. She had love for nature and its beauty, but it was Thingol who fell for her and considering Thingol was so great he was compared to the Maia its kinda a special case. Thats the most simple way I can explain it so as to avoid going into multiple paragraphs on the topic as the "marriage" of the Ainur is a comlex and extensive topic.

[@FalconOfStorms]

And here's a little question; how does mithril having the power (in this show) to keep elves from dying make them magical in any other way? The only property the show has established for the 3 rings is life preservation. How does that give the rings the other powers they're describing?

[@silverscorpio24]

And if the whole point of the Elven rings is to preserve their immortality, how is Sauron going to convince the leaders of the other races to accept his Rings?

[@FalconOfStorms]

@@silverscorpio24 offscreen

[@sigy4ever]

they told me that S2 is going to be sauron's "breaking bad" season so he will probably walk into tthe dwarven kingdoms yelling "I AM THE ONE WHO KNOCKS" and then all the dwarven kings walk up to him and he throws mercury fulmnide rings at them and then they go 'oh me gawd' and halbrand goes "I got rangz of powa"

[@Minwolf]

10 to 20 years ago a show like Rings of Power would have had the second season cancelled before the writing for it began. Now these awful companies will greenlight new seasons for almost any show no matter how badly they are doing.

[@Gillymonster18]

Someone really should tell RoP show-runners that huffing too much of one’s own farts impairs mental function.

[@dramaticwords]

God help us if these showrunners tried to produce a Shakespeare play.

[@jimminystew]

Do you know why 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, than to take arms against a sea of troubles, and by opposing end them? Because a sling and arrow look up, and a sea of troubles looks down. Duh.

[@dramaticwords]

@@jimminystew True, but isn't the "sea of troubles" always right?

[@TheLord-ce5wf]

The most ironic thing about this show is it tries to be a "I am woman, hear me roar" type thing and they literally made the woman the most incompetent, ego driven, and destructive character that just exudes toxic masculinity. Galadiral literally creates the chaos she wants to stop by thinking she can actively take on a traditional male role, and it ends exactly how one would predict, in failure.