“Riot” Sentences - What’s REALLY going on?

[@blackbeltsecrets]

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[@Some1outside5973]

You said people won't be done for just standing there watching yet dje media was arrested with at least 100 otheres they should get a day in court they had their freedom removed for several hours some put in handcuffs even tho they stood exactly where police told them to stand

[@polmcsuibhne7657]

@@Some1outside5973 they must take there legal councils advice ?

[@colinstevens6837]

the police were attacking people and antagonising people on a few occassions, the week the girls were killed and there was a protest outside downing street the police were just grabbing people at random who were doing nothing there are videos of it

[@colinstevens6837]

do you think the sentences being called violent disorder for what should be public order offences are fair?

[@GodsOwnPrototype]

I think what's missed generally are the clear facts of selective arrest, charging & prosecution - given it is Carnival w/e in London : a fews years back the wife innocently decided she would go with the kids, including a pram, to 'family day', my objections were shut down as paranoid bigotry, so my only choice was to tag along. LSS besides nearly losing a few small children in crush of, let's say inconsiderate urbanites prioritising plans of revelry, a few police officers intervened to help us clear of the crush but neither the cause nor the premeditated racially motivated chemical assault on our persons & damage to our property result in any words being had, let alone a caution issued or an arrest made or charged & like most criminal actions in this country it was a drop in ocean of unrecorded & unreported sewage behaviour that the floater of politically expedient judicial action exists in.

[@Norah-v6j]

It is ridiculous to say that starmers hands are not all over this ,he has been on tv threatening people with his idea of justice,

[@rocketmunkey1]

You are crazy Its all a massive massive massive massive MASSIVE Coincidence 😉

[@thetopcat8946]

I agree

[@maninthestreet01]

The irony is that Starmer is/was a human rights lawyer, but he's quite happy to ignore or even condone the abusing of these defendants rights.

[@kenn1936]

Only Human Rights if he feels like it!! Maybe it paid more!!

[@britanniau.k.4352]

Apparently the rights of some but not all......

[@fanfeck2844]

He doesn’t believe in human rights, he was paid to believe.

[@geoffnichols3831]

A judge has said two tier told them they had to give the harshest sentence, that is destroying the supposed indepenence of the judiciary n police.

[@polina_piter]

Human rights lawyers are always the worst.

[@m9saville]

Some of the advice in this video assumes the criminal justice system is working in the way it should be. It's not, it's being abused and used as a weapon.

[@odie4458]

Well said 👏👏👏

[@CarolWoosey-ck2rg]

Kangaroo courts

[@kenn1936]

Exactly, this is a two day turn around. Arrested on Tuesday and incarcerated on Wed. No time to collect thoughts or anything. Starmer is using this to make an example of anyone who even THOUGHT about rioting !!!

[@themalcontent100]

They still believe in the law. They still have faith. I feel that will change when the cops knock on their doors.

[@rsvbiker4149]

It's the golden handshake crew so be a long wait

[@MattFinch-f2w]

It's nonsense to suggest that the judiciary is being fair.

[@pistonburner6448]

Al is a despicable liar. He looks like a cyclist too.

[@notgettingdata]

Agree.there is no way they just decided to fast track thing on the own volition, there is no separation of powers any more there are many ways to pressure judiciary (which isn't obvious) and in my opinion this is most definitely the case.

[@lgx2410]

@@pistonburner6448 "He looks like a cyclist too." Hahaha

[@pistonburner6448]

@@MattFinch-f2w He completely hid the fact that BLM rioters, Palestine-protesters, etc. aren't even arrested. And if they're arrested, they're not prosecuted and all charges are dropped. And for the handful (I believe 6) who were charged: at least the statue-destroyers were acquitted despite being guilty of crimes because the judge thought their cause was so noble that *_breaking the law was permissible!_* Meanwhile during those protests lots of counter-protestors were arrested and they were charged and given harsh sentences!

[@benholroyd5221]

@@pistonburner6448 it's pronounced 'lawyer'. Easy mistake to make though

[@DavidDawkinsisright]

In response to one of your guests comments - WHY did the Judiciary allocate 70 judges to fast track this ? To suggest this is not down to political pressure is nonsensical. Also why are there long custodial sentences for written and said words vs non custodial sentences for people guilty of actual violent crimes against women? Further - The home secretary has no hope of creating a crime of extreme misogyny when the judicial system fails to act on the ultimate form of misogyny- sexual or violent assault on women.

[@radman8321]

Because the judiciary also needed to stamp out the orgy of criminality. They have to keep the system going, from ensuring that courts function, to having prison places, to making sure probation services can cope. Rioting and attacking the police is an attack on the whole system of law and order. Judges are part of the system to maintain law and order. Hence they organised to stamp it out.

[@Txfreeandlovenit]

The illegals are of a certain race, so they get off scott free.

[@clinthawkeye1937]

@@radman8321in which case, why no mass convictions during the endless Palestine marches, BLM, and extinction rebellion actions? The rioting and looting and calls for violence were off the charts and these events were far more numerous

[@clinthawkeye1937]

Labour don’t even know what a woman is.

[@theinngu5560]

And 24/7 courts

[@AngusKart]

threatened with being remanded into custody if pleading guilty is definitely extortion and abuse of the system. the vast majority of these cases are no flight risk and no risk to society so should be getting bail.

[@derryshore5586]

@@AngusKart Exactly. The whole thing stinks

[@JesterEric]

The lady accused of tweets stirring up racial hatred who is the wife of a Conservative councillor was remanded in custody with a trial not before February. She has not yet pleaded guilty

[@jnormanton]

The UK is following the Democrat playbook. Most of Jan 6th should have been given bail.

[@Chicken-x6q6d]

Indeed, and I suspect it is an empty threat given the cost of keeping people locked up for that long. I was told never to plead guilty to something right away if I ended up there as it is their job to prove that you are, if you do plead guilty right away then they are getting paid (at the cost of the tax payer) for not doing any work.

[@mattwardman]

@@jnormanton I think most of them were given bail. And many were then convicted.

[@chrismithchrismith]

I cannot believe that an average barrister would be unable to keep the Facebook woman out of prison. She had no previous, she deleted immediately. She should not have pleaded guilty under pressure from the police.

[@AgnesFay-k5c]

How could they fast track all those people, but not Ricky Jones or the Manchester airport attackers

[@CarolWoosey-ck2rg]

Because they are white- simple as 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🇬🇧

[@cindyfaulkner5725]

Don't forget Nick Lowell from Hope not Hate He was the one who stirred up the Muslim men to come out on the street with a lie about muslim women being qttacked with a certain substance, nothing has been done about him, because he has some sort of advisory role. 2 tier Govenment, 2 tier policing, 2 tier justice.

[@anneg5720]

They're hoping you forget about them and they can sweep it under the rug.

[@odie4458]

He's pleaded guilty from what I can remember, so you've a very good point. One rule for them, another for us. Its as clear as the day is long.

[@kenn1936]

Those are the two cases I am waiting to hear about. Is Ricky Jones on bail?? has he even been charged? I know the other two are out and about, because they had a press conference with Mummy!!!🙄. We have NOT heard from anyone that was arrested for rioting, - no one has come forward out of those thousand arrests and said, "I got arrested, and I got bailed out"!!!

[@Sonofdonald2024]

As a police officer of 20+. years I have seen the constant closure of courts the destruction of the local CPS despite an ever increasing demand

[@pistonburner6448]

The people behind it do it on purpose as it gives them an excuse to cause chaos to society, not prosecute when they don't want to and then as we see now: suddenly there's limitless resources for the cases they want to go hard on. Lawfare.

[@TRUTHDISTRIBUTIONNETWORK]

starting a sentence with "as a" makes you a Virtue Signalling Cock, you know that right ?? just speak normally we don't care about your 20 years corruption wind your neck in we don't need anymore VSC'S we've got Starmer 👌

[@petersutton523]

This is not a serious conversation it is deliberate gaslighting and it's disgraceful.

[@zedhiro6131]

From what little I have seen of this guy, he seems like an apologist of the first degree.

[@nickw8071]

100%

[@pistonburner6448]

He completely gaslights by pretending that many facts don't exist. There were apparently only two people even charged for the massive amount of BLM riots. I believe about 200 arrested initially, all charges dropped. Oh, there were several dozen convicted...for counter-protesting!!

[@valeriegrimshaw1365]

Trying to portray the legal system as respectable....ha ha ha....

[@rocketmunkey1]

@@zedhiro6131 He's here to give people false legal advice, and make them think politicians dictate the law and you must roll over. Human rights are not as complicated as these people would have us believe !

[@VincentComet-l8e]

‘Yes, these cases have been fast-tracked!’ OK, thanks - you’ve confirmed a Two-Tier system is in operation…

[@ijm1963]

All respect to you both but I cannot believe there is not political interference here. The rhetoric from politicians only supports my view on this.

[@4-dman464]

Your 1st 5 words wreck yr credibility.

[@sparkyn69]

is it right, that these are in jail, yet a rapist is walking free because these people are taking up much needed cells

[@Alert64]

That was the reason the judge gave

[@richardager1861]

Presumption of innocence? Is the rapist on remand with bail? Have they entered a plea? Not saying it's right, but if it has to go to trial and they are claiming innocence, presumption of innocence has to apply. Also, did anyone oppose bail successfully?

[@derryshore5586]

Well,why did Starmer say that even if you are just standing there during the riots,you will be arrested? He said that we will go to prison? Sorry I do not believe that the governmet has nothing to do with some of the sentencing. Starmer let go 40,000 criminals,so as to make more room...There was talk of him doing this even before the riots,a couple of weeks before. If Starmer has not got his hand in this,then why did they not do the same for other riots before hand? Apparently the people arrested are told that they would be better off to plead guilty,so they get a shorter sentence. Imagine how shocked Starmer would have been if they all had said not guilty? Imagine the longevity of waiting for court cases,and the money that it would cost. How that would have back fired on Starmer.

[@kylethompson1379]

the problem at the moment, is that I think there are a large number of people who struggle to believe this isn't politically driven.

[@derryshore5586]

Well the public are not stupid are they. I agree with you. It all seems so wrong. I mean also,who in their right mind would let 40'000 criminals out? Some are harmful to the public. Madness. What message does this send. Damn right it is all political. Wondering how the victims of these criminals feel.

[@fanfeck2844]

It’s too obvious for people not to believe the police and judiciary are not corrupt. Just too many inconsistencies between different peoples treatment

[@ghostdog4330]

I'm concerned of the harshness of sentences over comments online which in many a case could have been dealt with a suspended sentence, particulary for first time offenders. Yet, in the UK 80% of men caught with indecent images of children avoid a custodial sentence. In my view words are not violence, unless people are making serious real life threats of violence.

[@kylethompson1379]

@@ghostdog4330 I agree. And while I hate to say it, the difference appears to me to be that horrendous crimes perpetrated against citizens are seen as just that, crimes against 'citizens', whereas perceived threats against the state (real or not), are treated unduly harshly. We've all seen this happen commonly around the world, and until recently, such abuses were openly lamented by the government and country as whole. But if this unfairness is really starting to happen here, that is perhaps a serious concern for us all. Maybe, the most important thing.

[@mydamnedunited8429]

@@derryshore5586 "What message does this send?" It sends the message that they want it to send, don't think for one moment that it's not well calculated.

[@nickmail7604]

People are being pressured, you should not be able to be given a longer sentence for wanting to have a fair trial before a jury as is your right.

[@pauharpe8464]

To say the government didn’t influence fast tracking is absolutely BS and honestly saying it hasn’t is completely disingenuous

[@4-dman464]

well said. I'd unsubscribe but I didn't subscribe in the 1st place.

[@Paul-ow8fh]

PAUL🇬🇧 People are not far right or racist. People have concerns about mass uncontrolled Immigration especially from the Islamic World into the United Kingdom. People are taking about this. Were was the system when we had the BLM protests breaking and damaging statues.

[@freeinoz]

Plead guilty for 30% reduction. Cancels any appeal against conviction. Sentencing tariff. Cancels any appeal against the severity of sentence. They must have reasonable time to assemble their case 1/2 hr meeting with a duty solicitor is not reasonable time. The Facebook posters no previous convictions no idea they were going to jail prior to plea. No reports of no bail pressure. They’re nicked up now they can’t be heard. What a load of nonsense the pressure was on them starting in the police car.

[@mikecorrigan763]

Spot on. You perfectly and accurately summed it up. Your comment is better than the 40 minutes of waffling in this video.

[@4-dman464]

Agreed. And I have to wonder why these 2 lawyers seem oblivious to this. Vested interests?

[@TommySupporterFinally]

If you're told that you will not see a court for six months, and you will be held until then, that is extortion,

[@martyndawson7484]

Illegal imprisonment.

[@offshoretomorrow3346]

No, that is assumption of guilt and extra-judicial imprisonment.

[@landsea7332]

In a prepared public statement Kier Starmer stated those charged " will be held without remand ." So the Prime Minister was stating the judicial branch of the government should illegally use coercion to obtain convictions . .

[@4-dman464]

Agreed. BBBarrister has not done his research here. The Comments thread is more clued in than the video is.

[@munchuriancandidate]

Painful to listen to this. We have a completely broken system of justice it is unjust has no interest in being just either.

[@4-dman464]

Agreed. Listening to this vid is almost as bad as listening to a Starmer speech & for the same reason.

[@QuBiXMeDiA]

we've seen the videos, citizen jounalists being pushed around and assaulted but when they stand up for themselves and complain to the police they find themselves being arrested and dispersed and nothing being done about the perpetrators, how is that fair policing?

[@rogerflack415]

The sentences were grossly disproportionate. How many people have received twenty months for pushing a wheelie bin at the police?

[@Jeanettewoods-t8v]

THEY COULDNT DO THAT FOR THE GROOMING GANGS ,COULD THEY.?BUT LOCK UP PEOPLE WHO ARE TERRIFIED FOR OUR COUNTRY ,BECAUSE ITS DOUBLE STANDARDS STARMER .

[@JoFloss]

Which of the ‘grooming gangs’ who were charged were not convicted?

[@Jeanettewoods-t8v]

​@@JoFlossMany of tbem got away with it .Starmer kept it covered up ,as he did with Saville .He definatly didnt want us to know,in case it interferedwith the Kalergi plan .He,s hell bent on completing .

[@JoFloss]

@@Jeanettewoods-t8v who told you that? 🤦‍♀️. Genuinely, Jeanette, where do you get your news from?

[@Jeanettewoods-t8v]

It is a fact .If your news is from MSM ,its bias and narrative ,propaganda .The Govs puppets you will never know the truth ..

[@SteveB-nm7xb]

Police identified around 200 grapists just from Telford - only a handful charged. Kier Starmer actually involved in deciding that many should not face trial. He later said ‘we failed the victims’…all published if you search for it.

[@sorrysirmygunisoneba]

I think it’s the fact that people being dragged into this are not criminals so are scared of jail. They don’t know how the system works and are normal common folk who are angry about what is going on. This is just deliberate persecution of a specific group.

[@Lyndalewinder]

Wrong - they are criminals of serious offences which is why they are going to prison!

[@phitsf5475]

@@Lyndalewinder Now is not the time for sarcasm

[@matthewrowe9903]

​@@Lyndalewinder so what about the other criminals out on bail who committed far worse crimes ? Or is it you just think these people deserve special treatment ?

[@phitsf5475]

You're right. The regular god-fearing average normal person who has spent their lives colouring inside the lines is not prepared to deal with the most basic of police/interrogation tactics. It doesn't compute to them that the police aren't your friends and will readily lie to you in the blink of an eye, police interrogators won't even need to use advanced sophisticated techniques such as "good cop/bad cop". "XYZ has already confessed, take the 2 years or this goes to court and you will get 6"

[@CarolWoosey-ck2rg]

@@Lyndalewinder what planet do you live on? So knife wielding immigrants aren't criminals?

[@landsea7332]

Sentencing should be in proportion to the offence committed . This fundamental principle of British Law is clearly being ignored . .

[@alfredbatchelor1954]

It has happened in wales this week, held in custody till February

[@kenn1936]

thank you for input!!! I believe they are not getting bail, it is classed as violence.

[@lynmedcraft]

@@alfredbatchelor1954 hopefully if he gets trial by jury he'll be innocent and claim compensation.

[@happymonkey7068]

@@lynmedcraft You can't claim if on remand, then found not guilty.

[@polina_piter]

@@lynmedcraftCan you sue for that?

[@lynmedcraft]

@@happymonkey7068 shame!

[@15markav15]

Starmer also fast tracked Saville to the "nothing to see here" folder.

[@barbthegreat586]

That lie has been debunked so many times already but here you go.

[@VinPetrol420]

People are encouraged to plead guilty, because at a trial by jury, its not just the defendant on trial, but the law itself. If the jury decide the law is unjust, even if the defendant is guilty of breaking it, the law itself can be overturned by the jury. They don't want these laws tested by a jury.

[@derryshore5586]

This Barrister is either nieve or gaslighting

[@4-dman464]

My thought exactly.

[@scarlet4237]

Or looking for his silk

[@chrisjames9573]

It's disgraceful at the moment. I pressed charges after being spiked & a sexual assault, which evidence later showed rape also occurred. All from a so-called pal. This was in Jan 2023, police refused me any tests (Didn't test urine given & refused hair test). They even prevented me from paying for own hair test. Culprit still free, not even charged yet, still trying (but failing) to get a response for charges from CPS. All because Starmer believes folk airing their views & upsetting a certain religion is far worse. Culprits are getting a free pass whilst the victims have to suffer. And then they wonder why mental health services are inundated. I'm just appalled & disgusted at Starmer.

[@alanmoberly64]

This an example of the host being blinded by his expertise. He is not capable of seeing abuse by the system.

[@odie4458]

Solicitors hands are tied. They have to follow suit or get debarred.

[@fanfeck2844]

They have to be very careful of what they say unless they have hard evidence.

[@geoffnichols3831]

More like he does not want to put himself in the position of standing against this politically motivated actions.

[@4-dman464]

Agreed. I've seen this before from BBB - - too much vested interest to be perceptive.

[@odie4458]

@@4-dman464 spot on buddy. Came across a new channel clearly trying to jump on the bandwagon of what's been going on lately. Claiming unlawful arrests. Footage was a joke. No context in any way shape or form. It started from the point of people being taken away. No lead up to that point or from earlier in the day when they could of actually done something. The arrested had clearly been kept in a specific area & all taken away together. People were going absolutely nuts in the comments believing every word of it simply because they were being told it. They could see same as I did but clearly not thinking for themselves.

[@STUCASHX]

1:30 You say the government has "no say" in increased funding to fast track cases, yet Kier Starmer is on record saying he was going to have them "fast tracked" and the Judiciary DID IT. 🤨It's ridiculous to imply this fast tracking was nothing to do with the government.

[@STUCASHX]

I also can't help but notice we're not cross examining David Stitt's case here...

[@4-dman464]

Agreed. These barristers are either ignorant or bent.

[@thetopcat8946]

​@@4-dman464Something isn't right. Gut instinct tells us a lot.

[@MrBridgeinn]

I don't agree with Al on this, having been in the system myself many years ago I know that every time the prosecution states that they oppose bail because further offences may be committed the judge always agrees and remands into custody. If they want you remanded you will be. Stating otherwise is pure gaslighting.

[@wombatillo]

So making a stupid inflammatory comment on social media would have gotten the sentenced person a 30 month sentence instead of 20 months if they had pleaded not-guilty and still been found guilty? No wonder people plead guilty. That is a horrifying example of silencing people through judiciary roughing up and making examples The sentences absolutely do not match the crimes.

[@odie4458]

My feeling is that people are pleading guilty to avoid a longer sentence. Only my opinion, but the C.P.S saying that they'll all face the full force of the law scared folk into going guilty.

[@kenn1936]

That is what the issue is - they are pressured into pleading guilty, because they are advised that it is going to be so much worse for them, if they plead 'not guilty' and then they are found guilty at trial. difference between 6 months or 3 years??? Of course their lawyer is going to tell them this is the reality, you choose. It IS PRESSURE. Take this - or that will happen!!

[@wombatillo]

​@@kenn1936people can be pressured by the public mood in the media, the words of the police chief, the PM's politics and so on even if the judges, prosecution and barristers did no such thing. The pressure can be there even if a lawyer sees nothing wrong from their POV.

[@JesterEric]

If the crime is a Facebook/Twitter post I think they have chance of a not guilty verdict depending on the composition of the jury. Speaking for myself I know which way I would go if I was on a jury in such a case

[@vatsmith8759]

@@kenn1936 Surely a lawyer is only going to advise his client to plead guilty if the evidence against him is very strong.

[@ghostdog4330]

@@vatsmith8759 I'm informed most duty solicitors are hopeless..

[@rogerwilson6367]

People should be judged on their crime, not on their plea. This corrupt practise has been going on for a long time and solicitors/barristers have been well aware of it..

[@djtrainspotter]

Are you addressing the real issues of mass ideological corruption and lawfare on a scale never seen before in this country?

[@scarlet4237]

100%

[@dans2492]

The barristers sort of contradict themselves by saying that judges are being guided to put off cases that will likely result in prison and the fact that these 'rioters' are being fast tracked and sent straight to prison.

[@4-dman464]

Right. Barrister A gaslights Barrister B who in turn gaslights Barrister A, & both barristers gaslight the viewers. This video does the public a disservice.

[@Agathanagatha]

I want to know why Rowley hasn’t been arrested for his temper tantrum that caused him to commit criminal damage to the journalist microphone,it’s a criminal offence and if the met chief can commit a crime on camera and stomp of like a teenager being told they’re grounded.it’s supposed to be that nobody is above the law “apparently” Arrest and charge him with criminal damage and let a judge throw the book at him and use him as an example

[@PhatTony-km3fl]

The reason Lady justice wears a blindfold is because she chooses not to see what is obviously going on?

[@mike-rayner-videos]

far two many walking free from the enrichment side for committing the same or even worse crimes = 2 tier justice system

[@freemindmusic2824]

How can someone who is working and has no criminal record or previous history of anything get jailed for holding a Brit flag... i don't get that?

[@JoFloss]

Who has been jailed simply for holding a British flag?

[@freemindmusic2824]

@@JoFloss Was just reading bout some young guy, only 18 i think?... that's pretty much what he was arrested for.

[@SteveB-nm7xb]

Yes, but don’t forget that he was waving it aggressively 😂😂😂

[@tomkent4656]

What about first offence mitigation?

[@JoFloss]

@@tomkent4656 have you read the sentencing guidelines? They are well worth a read

[@alfredbatchelor1954]

When I was a bit of a rouge at 10 years old and in trouble with the police, my father made us admit to some 65 cases to be taken into consideration, my brother an I never did these 65 crimes, we were finger printed, threatened, without our parents presents at the station. We received 3 years probation. We were guilty of the case of riding a stolen bicycle brought against us, however the 3 others involved were never charged, plus we were the younger of the group. Some 5 years later, I bumped into a lad from the village, he was using a different name and I asked why? Turned out the crimes in the village never stopped, and this guy was the culprit, his finger prints were all over it, breaking and entry, bicycle theft, the list was endless. The copper had fingered the wrong children. This guy did 5 years jail, so we took the wrap for his 65 crimes that he got away with. This village Copper knew he’s finger the wrong children, yet never ever came near us again. I’ve never trusted the police after what happened to me and my brother. As a note this character in the village, his sister was a serving Policewomen at time, the family suddenly moved out of the village. The shame for them was to much realising another families children had been prosecuted instead of their own son. I’ve led a clean life since my wild teenage years, I was no angel, and have been very successful like my brother. Some 49 years later I’m still considered a criminal because of this useless copper. There no right to be forgotten.

[@whoisp]

Government should be charged for inciting the riots and tort interference with the contract with public to secure the borders

[@Alex-js8pu]

Reptiles dont think as deeply as humans, that will be there defence.

[@kabaduck]

You could be stuck in a crowd of rioters, the court should have to be able to show you took offensive action versus defensive action and you were an active participant in the rioting and not just a trapped bystander

[@dentarragon8023]

@@kabaduck There is evidence of people trying to leave & being kettled in not able to leave

[@CarolWoosey-ck2rg]

And police heard to say just grab anybody

[@dentarragon8023]

@@CarolWoosey-ck2rg Document everything as things are being pulled down offline

[@kenn1936]

There was an elderly guy that said he was just watching - he had a stick (obviously not a walking stick) but had done NOTHING, but was arrested and sentenced to 2 years. He was not found to have contributed to the riot, but he was standing close by and had a weapon (which could have been to protect himself, who knows). Guilty by location !!

[@garrygrant2394]

When you have people being released early who pose a genuine risk to the public to make room for those who are less or not a public risk at all than how can we maintain faith in the system?

[@gamerlest509]

What evidence do you have to support your statement that people being released are a threat to the public, or are you just scaremongering?

[@kenn1936]

Absolutely - they claim no violent prisoners can get "early release' but I have heard of two that are out on this 'early release scheme". one name slips my mind, but the other is Lawson Natty, who murdered a teen with a Machete, and got early release after serving only SIX MONTHS!!!!! He was released the first weekend after the initial riots.

[@garrygrant2394]

@@gamerlest509 From a variety of sources including legacy and alternative media. The HM chief inspector of prisons, Charlie Taylor, explaining that many being released have not been rehabilitated and likely to offend again. We are talking about burglary and more concerning crimes including those have assaulted people. Do your own research, but unless someone can confirm that the prisoners being released early are unlikely to offend again than they must not be released. When you have people doing time for things they wrote on the internet to make way for real criminals (often serial offenders) being released early than I will stick with my comment. I've personally had my house robbed twice and my car stolen when I lived in the UK . The police were useless. They did not ever capture the gang to my knowledge. If they did it appears these types will be released early. The UK crime is already out of control and you think I am scaremongering! Maybe you have never been a victim of crime but I assure you if/when you are you will be very concerned about the situation.

[@gamerlest509]

@@garrygrant2394 the main thing I found from Charlie Taylor is a report explaining how the prison system is at breaking point due to overcrowding. This was from April. Another review in July (pre-riots) found that very soon prisons would be at 100% capacity. What would be your suggestion? I've been a victim of crime although this doesn't make me immune from seeing the impending crisis in the prison system

[@anneg5720]

Man SAd a 12 year old and judge suspended sentence as there's zero prison spaces . Its pathetic

[@cdrone4066]

This guy has too much faith in the judiciary and the courts, SMH.

[@4-dman464]

Yes, & not enough respect for human rights.

[@eds-egg]

You acknowledge that the 70 "independent" judges "choose" to fast track these cases in this way as if there is no political expediency whatsoever, whilst simultaneously ignoring the fact that other cases (such as the threats to slit throats made by a Labour politician) are nowhere to be seen. There are none so blind as those that don't want to see!

[@johnstephenmurphy546]

The pm stated people would be "remanded" so there is coercion

[@redchemicalsltd2324]

Extremely disconnected discussion of the real current UK situation....

[@wombatillo]

Barristers have likely never themselves been facing a possible 30 month custodial sentence and it's their job in a way to defend the system. They're all also highly economically priviledged people. Normal blue collar people will be destitute if they hire a private lawyer and still end up in prison for 20 months.

[@4-dman464]

Yes. And Disgraceful, given the human rights that are under siege. I'm heartened by the Comments thread, which near-unanimously condemns this video & calls it out for gaslighting.

[@nickjung7394]

Does not the statement referring th people as "criminals" before trial and conviction show an immediate bias?

[@franksmith6637]

The judges and judiciary are not being influenced 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Ian-po6gg]

Yes, and I am the Pope!

[@robertdenley]

Says who?

[@geoffnichols3831]

Yes because they are being told they will be remanded if pleading not guilty, n their solicitors are saying they could spend more time on remand than pleading guilty n sentenced, THAT IS BLACKMAIL

[@Username18981]

Not enough judges, lawyers, and court rooms? Then you have too many laws.

[@AndyRobust]

I'll mention the elephant in the room.... The interesting question is "if it goes to jury trial, will a jury sympathetic to the motives of the rioters refuse to convict?" According to what I've just read : a majority verdict requires at least 10 out of 12 jurors to find someone guilty. Or to put it another way - if 25% of the 12 person jury are willing to say "not guilty" there can be no conviction. One survey I read suggested that at least 36% of people polled agreed that "violence is justified if the government won;t listen to people's concerns". So...if we start seeing some of these actually going to jury trial, might there be some acquittals?

[@lauraf2584]

Doesn't make the system any less two tier, FFS

[@jjhw2941]

There were Soviet show trials, there were Adolf's show trials, now we have Starmer's show trials.

[@SimonWallwork]

ffs. Starmer stated that bail would be denied.

[@johanvanzyl8479]

What is the sentence for a politician allowing, or inviting an invasion of a country by young foreign males? A policeman not investigating burglary?

[@StayCalm-CarryOn]

How many of the people being arrested are just sitting at home, minding their business, doing some tweeting....when suddenly there is a knock at the door, and their life is upended? How many of them who are being arrested over tweets have never been arrested before? It would be easy to intimidate them. And other people living in the UK see this, and then they begin living in fear over their words...which, IMO, the is what UK authorities want: Fear & Intimidation.

[@hotstepper887]

No, the government wanted this, they relied on this, as while this lot are all looking at all the ridiculous immigration, problems, the government steps us even closer to war against Russia. When Russia could not be any more in the right, with all they're doing, while we could not be any more wrong in all we're doing, (even if we really tried our hardest to be wrong). And it worked, as we have easily, the least educated society we've ever seen, or ever experienced before, here in the UK today. So we can kiss this country goodbye, it will soon no longer exist! But you'd never know it, as all that matters to so many in this country is immigration and Muslims. I completely disagree with the immigration, but that is such a minor worry in today's world. It won't matter who comes here, if we're no longer here!

[@RomanHistoryFan476AD]

It's worse than Russia.

[@bog_brush]

Were all missing the further cost. If i was sent to prison and caused problems my time would be spent in solitary confinement, lets call that £3,000 per week x 1,000 jailed activists. Allowing child rapists to walk free to jail political prisoners is a dereliction of duty, all the authorities involved should be stripped of entitlements and jailed for exposing society to unnecessary risks and harms.

[@markm-ci6rj]

These posting on social media are being fast tracked too and jailed for just as long as these throwing bricks.

[@colinpyke4199]

If you plead guilty the police don't have to prove your guilt.

[@vatsmith8759]

But why would you plead guilty unless you did it?

[@Tymonie]

When the conversation is introduced by saying that it is not supposed to be "too opinionted so that it gets us into any trouble", that says alot about the exchange that follows - and the state of the UK. Expressing opinions can now get us into trouble.

[@andrewpegg9489]

You could do us all a favour (as trust in the judiciary is very low) explain how many of the 'not guilty' pleas are getting bail......

[@aaugoaa]

These guys always side with the establishment, the truth is Keir Starmer had to asked the judges to be present for 24hr justice

[@4-dman464]

These guys ARE the Establishment.

[@YesYes-xb6he]

The very fact that so many people feel that defendants are being pressured to plead guilty because the courts are under political pressure to imprison protesters should be concerning to those in charge of the CJS. Once trust and faith in the system has been lost it'll be incredibly difficult to regain.

[@nickw8071]

Some sites have logos for paid commercials. KZbin should get one for paid gaslighting.

[@jeremypenwarden]

It was Starmer who stated that the ‘rioters’ would automatically be held on remand

[@daviddunn-dn3xd]

Starmer said (on tv) that if no guilty plea you will be held in police cells and only brought before court as prison place becomes available I. e. no bail (I think). A non lawyer, it seems to me to be contrary to manga carta and habeas corpus.

[@scottperkins8849]

Starmer trooper and his twitter police already declared they were guilty thugs before trial, So it’s insane, I can’t understand how this clown got in power, It’s so tyrannical it’s sad for the citizens there, I’m praying for them.

[@barbthegreat586]

For most of them they have audio/ video/ written evidence, often because these freedom fighters posted it themselves online.

[@teresewalther]

Shocking what is happening in the Uk...time for more people to stand against this

[@stephenyoung1484]

Dont worry they wont need courts soon, they will be skipping that step within a few years.

[@nickjung7394]

What, I wonder, are the sentencing guidelines when dealing with someone convicted of raping a child?

[@barbthegreat586]

I'm sure it's publicly available, so just Google it.

[@forevertrue6143]

If pleading guilty means you re dealt with and imprisoned in days, then pray tell me why this does NOT happen with paedos pleading guilty?

[@CriticalThinkIt]

I think they are making an example of these offenders though. BLM rioters were not processed and sentenced so harshly.

[@barbthegreat586]

Must be because they weren't breaking into the stores, throwing flaming objects into the police and setting fires to the libraries.

[@CriticalThinkIt]

@@barbthegreat586 Yes they were!

[@barbthegreat586]

@@CriticalThinkIt Really? And they didn't end up in prison? Can you post a link or two?

[@CriticalThinkIt]

@@barbthegreat586 kzbin.info/www/bejne/q3W9ao2ta86ngcksi=Jl3wkh1bwPadiXM2

[@CriticalThinkIt]

@@barbthegreat586 That’s not the original question you asked. Some were arrested and given custodial sentences but not processed as fast and sentenced as harshly.

[@zulu1184]

i) we’ve all seen how long CPS charging decisions normally take - and the inevitability of release under investigation on all but the most serious cases. ii) are we witnessing informal plea bargaining - plead guilty to violent disorder and we won’t charge riot?

[@nancycrayton2738]

Seems your Labour government is applying lessons learned from the UniParty (Democrats with helpful Republicans) in the U.S. when dealing with people who came to D.C. to hear President Trump speak on Jan. 6 after the Nov. 2020 election. Innocent people were threatened of long prison stays if they didn't take a guilty plea agreement. They believed they could contest it later.

[@Frank-vn1qn]

What about Martin Daubney being arrested when he was just standing there filming the Downing St protests? He was only released when a senior Police Officer recognised him; If he'd just been a bystander filming to post, or out of interest, he would likely have been charged and faced the courts, surely that can't be right?

[@Alert64]

Gaslighting and compliance. You bent the knee

[@4-dman464]

Agreed. It's heartening that the Comments thread has unilaterally called them out on it. This video is shameful & spineless.

[@mrichards913]

Daniel, Alan, Good afternoon. Very interesting topic and comments therein. I am asked, regularly, by many European and American friends / business colleagues, “is it true that Britain is wrecked” I’m not confident to say to them all ….. of course not. This is a sign that many establishments here in the UK are at the point of collapse. I believe that violence has no place in our society and l’m sure that the majority if not all the subscribers would concur, however, I have noted that some of your followers have asked questions concerning the attack on police in Manchester Airport, what is happening, does two tier policing exist? I spoke with a sergeant in the police at a party yesterday and after 24 years of service, he’s looking at “getting out” due to the decisions being made! Many thanks in taking the time to produce these videos. I extend a good bank holiday to you all. Best

[@benp1697]

Completely avoided talking about treatment of recent riots vs BLM 💀

[@lgx2410]

So what about the career with no priors who posted on Facebook about burning down mosques, then immediately deleted the tweet?

[@anngray9171]

Rafe Heydel-Mankoo reported on television that his friend, wearing a business suit and tie was passing by the protesters, as it turns out on the wrong pavement. At no time was he informed informed of the wrong or right side, he was snatched by police without a word of explanation, handcuffed and 20 hours later was released. The protest was peaceful, starting outside Downing Street. There is extensive footage showing the police in a very unfortunate light. It showed random 'snatches ' by police, people knocked to the ground and now we hear these people have ended up in prison. I would say that the friend of Mr.Heydel-Mankoo was a respectable person going about his business, yet he fell foul of the extraordinary behaviour our police are exhibiting. It is a disgrace and I really cant make you two out! You seem to be taking the official line. Do you believe in what is going on? Extremely disappointed, 2 more good chaps lost.

[@laceandwhisky]

Same as TVicence plead guilty or get mega fine, get caught speeding take the ticket or course its cheaper than going to magistrates court, not forgetting car parks pay now or it doubles a scam . Money money money😊

[@mycatspethooman5590]

Arrests and sentencing is most definitely two tier, the amount of evidence is startling.

[@TheJon2442]

BBB please stop waffling, life is too short. You aren't in court on a massive stipend!

[@carla.p2795]

STARMERGEDDON 😒

[@Sidistic_Atheist]

I didn't think we had PLEA BARGAINING in our justice system. I thought that was just a US thing????

[@kevinlarke4837]

So where's the issue of shouting and waving a flag at a policeman , where does that start being a case of arrest , charged and jailed ?

[@fionadixon4u]

If it should be consistent, how can the first time offenders for swearing at a police officer or pushing a wheelie bin at an officer (missing them) or just being near a protest ... how can the 'years' of sentencing be consistent if not been arrested for these before?

[@JoFloss]

The lady that pushed the bin 1) was on license for a previous offense 2) did not just push the bin. She actually has an extensive experience of the criminal justice system.

[@fionadixon4u]

@@JoFloss helpful thank you.

[@railwaysmodelselectronics7636]

What about those prosecuted for posting on social media?

[@isildursbane2758]

As part of the legal system and members of the Bar I would expect you both to say exactly what you have said. Defending the system

[@scarlet4237]

Its a shame they can't be honest.

[@wdaisygirl]

Prayers for the UK from North Carolina 😢🙏🙏🙏

[@PaulineParks]

Thankyou

[@PaulineParks]

Thankyou ❤

[@wdaisygirl]

@@PaulineParks 🤗❤

[@ian1234-d5r]

Yeah thanks, hope you all vote Trump to clean your house.

[@kylethompson1379]

Thank you NC! keep freedom alive over there! The world needs it.

[@dellawrence4323]

"You are guilty of disorder even if you are a casual bystander" _ NI judge.

[@kateroyston9416]

Kangaroo courts!