Riverclan's Decline - Sunny's Spiel | Warriors Analysis

[@OwenOfElliott]

Well at least RiverClan has the best origin story. Some loner kept showing up to clan meetings until they gave him his own clan.

[@wraithcall6057]

What a mad lad

[@BrindleMoon]

Not to mention he only ever ended up there by falling into said river and nearly dying 😂 “this guy doesn’t even go here!” “Eh give him a clan anyway”

[@Emma-mj3pz]

"water isn't a personality trait" but decorating dens and swimming for fun is, too bad the erins just forgot about that

[@scamperpamper6372]

It could have been a great clan

[@BugsyBugYT]

@@scamperpamper6372 Fully agreed

[@jayquillberry4972]

I was under the impression that Riverclan were supposed to be the smart ones, at least till Leopardstar became leader. Most Riverclan cats are pretty level-headed, reasonable, and friendlier than the others they also don't fight other clans very often.

[@venusserina]

Expectations: A lot of food, healthy, time for hobbies, decorating for fun Reality: Water and having kids with thunderclan in arc 1

[@BugsyBugYT]

Its sad because its true

[@cosmicleonids]

“And always remember that water isn’t a personality trait.” What do you mean? Water is the best personality trait any cat could ever have!! 🤣

[@umbrahawk6865]

honestly, i'm saddened that the erins didn't decide to go the WindClan route with tunneling and moor running with RiverClan, why not have river channelers? for ex, have the channeling cats make streams around hunting territories to keep land-prey inside, and more places for the fish. also, why not have RiverClan cats ask WindClan if they could go to the barn, and since sheep usually are around barns, take wool for decoration similarly to the shells? anyway i just thought of this idea there may be some fault in some ideas hhh-

[@wolfkitty42]

I like the idea of channelers! I think it would be awesome to have a super edition set after a at least semi code reform where characters are starting to get creative and find new ways to embrace the lake territory. Heck, even something set between new prophecy and power of three could fit even better!

[@Amberstarwarriors]

Sunnyfall: I wish we could have a RiverClan protagonist... The erins: Your wish is my command

[@nightwolfanimash6723]

"I dream of a world where we could get a RiverClan point of view in the modern times to see what's going on there and get some amount of strenght back into the Clan." This was so adorable for me to hear, since ASC came out before I watched this. I guess your dream's come true, Sunny ^^ Great video!

[@silviaflowers9475]

9:47 we did it boys. we have a riverclan protag.

[@annecameron4787]

9:46 Frostpaw: Got ya covered.

[@wolfkitty42]

Minnowtail... MINNOWTAIIIIIIIL! Seriously though, I genuinely want her to get a super edition with her and Mousewhisker that goes over how they deal with having a forbidden relationship. I mean, I think the idea of a super edition about a forbidden relationship between two cats who are still happy in something long-distance. Something set in TBC where Mistystar is starting to crack down on codebreakers would be interesting, because we would get to see a cat who is perfectly happy and fairly loyal to her clan have to *actually* do something to be able to keep her clan and her love. I dunno, there was a bunch of hints set up between these two over a couple books. I think that they could be a great example of a relationship with two cats from different clans that aren't actively harming their respective clans, families and friends by falling in love. Hopefully with the way things are going by the end of TBC the code will change to allow for these relationships, and I think Mousewhisker and Minnowtail could be a great way to bring it in. Also, we always need more relationships where they *don't* need to have kits to be happy considering the extreme population growth.

[@kaykinz2549]

Yes! I’d atleast love if they could imply it again to show they’re still happy together 😂 Or have her have mystery kits as part of the plot or something. I think it would be a better novella if they made it main focus tho

[@Haven633]

We still have every opportunity and more some now to have this ship in the books now with the broken code. Please erins do not forget mousewhisker and minnowtail and please let us have them

[@rileyywhited]

Frostpaw is the cat we needed.

[@hexoversex8487]

We’re still getting Leopardstar’s honor.

[@arelius9289]

She was such an interesting leader and then she died of diabetes lol

[@TDIdialgagirl]

The title was changed to Leopardstar's Salvation

[@hexoversex8487]

@@TDIdialgagirl Oh that’s neat! I like that title better.

[@Haven633]

Unfortunately it was half overlap with crookedstars promise. The first half was just a different POV of the same events and the second half was okay but they ruined it with her relationship with tigerstar

[@TroubledSpar7an]

It's been sad seeing as RiverClan be mistreated as they are, being my favorite Clan too. Here's to hoping for a soft reboot. (Also, rip I didn't notice the timestamps in the description until after watching. Will keep in mind next time, but thanks for putting them there!) RiverClan fish, RiverClan swim, RiverClan cats use water to win!

[@NapaCat]

The 'shiny things' trait was mentioned by a riverclan cat in Apprentice's Quest when the prophecy was mentioned at a gathering--she found a feather or something in a shady area.

[@velvetcider]

Hold up the Tribe of Rushing Water and Riverclan have water-related names...what do the Erins have against water?

[@rayvengoodman3120]

They hate lol they’d rather drink other beverages, probably alcohol given the newer arcs lol 😂

[@wolfkitty42]

@@rayvengoodman3120 LMAO

[@legrandliseurtri7495]

Right, the tribe should be so much more than it is. Instead, it's relegated to being an occasion to show off how superior the clan's society is.

[@BugsyBugYT]

@@legrandliseurtri7495 Yeah if the tribe had more cats with personalities and wasn't just there for familiarity and scenery it could have a chance to actually be used well

[@The_Mind_Electric_number_1_fan]

WHOOO we are getting a riverclan protagonist next ark!

[@xoxodead.accountxoxo]

now we have frostpaw so we'll see when this new arc drops haha

[@yarrowleef]

This is partly one (of many) reasons why i'm so upset about the decision to bring SkyClan to the lake. The LAST thing we needed was a 5th massive cluster of characters to keep track of when one of the four we already had has been shoved to the sidelines and all but forgotten about for years. RiverClan somehow has even less to do now then they did before 😔

[@legrandliseurtri7495]

But Skyclan has a genuiely interesting backstory and several characters did get personnalities.

[@yarrowleef]

@@legrandliseurtri7495 yeah and their backstory makes me want them to keep their individuality and not just become discount thunderclan. I think shoving them into the lake was a waste of their potential. i dont hate them by the lake because of the individual characters in the clan, Leafstar is one of my favorites right now, but that doesn’t change the fact that we don't need another clan around the lake. In the long run, having a fifth group competing for screen time is bad for everyone

[@darkninjafirefox]

It makes me so sad that the Erins do nothing with Riverclan. It would be interesting if Riverclan was more aloof towards the other clans because to their abundance of food and safety from the river. They spend less time worrying about patrols and probably miss gatherings because they just don't really care about the other clans. Then maybe there's a conflict that requires the help of the other clans or whatever. Just anything other Mistystar being older than dirt and Mothwing being mean to poor Shadowsight. (I'm still behind but is Willowshine dead or just forgotten about?)

[@Sunnyfall]

Willowshine is still alive, but she's been doing next to nothing. She silently shows her sympathy to Mothwing when Mistystar exiles her (but doesn't do anything to actually stop it) and for the sake of the plot doesn't pass Mistystar the information that Bramblestar isn't himself when she learns the truth. She's only gotten a couple very sparse appearances through this whole arc anyway. It's very disappointing.

[@Fawnfreckle]

Mistystar is the queen Elizabeth of warrior cats I also had an idea What if rc has different herbs from aquatic plants?

[@BugsyBugYT]

@@Fawnfreckle That sounds like it could be very interesting

[@Fawnfreckle]

@@BugsyBugYT thank you!

[@jenetikitty]

So. Here's *MY* theory. There is something wrong in Riverclan. I might be giving the erins too much credit, but... We get a novella about how mistystar accepts Mothwing, AND a novella about Mistystar exiling Mothwing, both released on April 7th 2020. That's not a coincidence! So... I don't think the imposter is working alone. And I think Riverclan is involved. in AVOS, Riverclan is pretty isolationist, til she gets the reminder that friends are good. in TBC, the imposter's all CODE BREAKER BAD and mistystar's like hmm m y'know what, okay. She exiles mothwing. then the two others. She refuses to attend Vigil. When the big imposter reveal happens, she disagrees with killing the imposter. My theory is she's working with the baddies. Maybe she's an imposter too. We have no idea how many lives she has left, maybe her last life was taken and the Mistyimposter moved in while her soul drifted off. Maybe Mothwing thinks she's working with a cunning clan leader. Maybe Mothwing's in on it too. Maybe Mothwing's also an imposter. (I mean, if there's one, why not more?) it seems unlikely, but why not?

[@beastmaster0934]

Well, we may get our wish, since one of the main characters in the next arc, A Starless Clan, is a RiverClan cat, Frostpaw.

[@t.angorine]

"we need a riverclan pov" watching this like a week after River

[@Rustclaw]

You no longer have to dream about being a RiverClan pov The newest series has one. Finally

[@doublehelix3558]

It's a very good video Sunny! Very informative and engaging, while highlighting the problems on the lack of focus on RiverClan and the butchering of established characterizations. #notmymothwing

[@flyingfridgezzz7347]

I agree that for most people RiverClan is most appealing because their way of life is what most would consider the most fun when imagining themselves in warrior cats, which I think is also why I have NEVER liked RiverClan as a whole. I am terrified of the ocean and a crap swimmer. My favorite is ShadowClan… I LOVE pine trees

[@Zephix2390]

Me:making a Riverclan fanfiction also me: oh looks like i gatta change it ok lets find a perfect clan for my book

[@squishpop3416]

We might be getting a wish in arc 8, 2 of the main characters are RiverClan and the book is called River

[@nothingmorethanageminiboar4929]

I think Warriors would work so much better as an anthology series with the Clan of focus rotating every arc...

[@kspoo10_]

Wait... but isn't Mistystar half-clan? Why would she focus so much on Code Breakers, when it was clear during Bluestar's death that she never had a serious problem about it before. In fact, her brother was killed for being half-clan, and surely she would see the similarities between then and now! Edit: Nevermind, Sunny brought it up. This is why I shouldn't write comments in the middle of videos, lol.

[@cosmicleonids]

Hi Edit: RiverClan is just okay, SkyClan is greatest Clan.

[@cosmicleonids]

Yay I’m first again :3

[@steelwingtalons127]

WindClan is my favorite clan.

[@cardemis7637]

Even with the recent books stripping SkyClan of their unique skills, they're still my fav.

[@cosmicleonids]

@@cardemis7637 same Tbh I feel like SkyClan doesn’t get enough credit Also according to the Warrior cats quiz I’m a SkyClan cat so-

[@legrandliseurtri7495]

Sky clan has easily the most interesting and unique story. I'm happy to have them around now.

[@Aster_Iris]

"What's that? Laid-back swimming theater kid cats that love interior design and secretly smarter than they let on?" "Don't need 'em. Let's get more ThunderClan and ShadowClan focus again. And have the former create a slur for them (fish-face), too so we can needlessly antagonize them." They gotta do my aquatic weirdos so dirty. I still love them though and if canon won't develop them, then I WILL.

[@rayvengoodman3120]

BGA went into that and she said that Mothwing behaving like that is probably because she’s broken and I agree. She’s gone through a lot, losing your Clan that you fought so hard to get respect from, then losing your best friend is going t make you act out of character. I think it’s more interesting to see her react with normal emotions to losing everything you have ever known.

[@TheAshfurApologist]

Just make Reedwhisker leader already. He's probably the easiest cat to build around for character development. Making him turn evil would probably be the best for RC.

[@wolfkitty42]

Minnowtail for leader 2021! Or at least deputy! She's my favorite character from river clan-

[@suchomimustenerensis]

@@wolfkitty42 or Icewing/Harelight!

[@queenofthisship]

Havenstar with Podlight as deputy.

[@avianhasnodignity]

i agree wholeheartedly about your point on Shadowsight, he got done so dirty 😔

[@MistyandTippy]

I am very glad that in a starless clan we actually get some things about RiverClan that actually are important. We really needed more RiverClan, and we got it

[@mikl561]

I can't belive how early I am. Great video and I agree.

[@Feezee223]

Crookedstars promise was the first warriors book I read so it’s my favourite book.

[@meowparties]

UR VIDEOS ARE SO INTERESTING PLEASE UR MY FAVORITE KZbinR RN

[@Owenbot3000]

Frostpaw is arguably the best protagonist of the 8th arc we got our wish

[@altos5069]

RiverClan peaked under Hailstar's leadership, IMO. (or Crookedstar's, debatably)

[@Greatwolfpearl123]

They reason I chose RiverClan as the Clan I would be in if I was in this series is because of many reasons. The main reason is because I am lazy and hate being uncomfortable, so the ease and comfort of he Clan would be good. I'm not much of a fighter, so it's good they don't fight as much. I also love swimming and seafood, so that works out as well!

[@Peyton_S]

Riverclan use to be my favourite clan, but the way it’s been written in the newer series made me change my mind to Skyclan being my favourite. I’m honestly disappointed on how the writers are treating Riverclan and hopefully in a newer series Riverclan and even Windclan can get a point of view.

[@joshuagibson6531]

Icewing got some development in The Place of No Star

[@panda_bunny1441]

1:10 its awesome how in the starless clan this comes back with frost paws talk!

[@catareena5751]

Cats hate water! Me: meet the Turkish Van 🐈 you will see how cats can swim!

[@Third7Plays]

4:30 nice to tell you, RiverClan has hope! Frostpaw is riverclan, and i personally think shes adorable

[@Mag3.1415]

9:45 aged like milk

[@turtleduck2085]

I would love a Super Edition on Riverstar and more about how he set up an official mentoring system. Given how in Dawn of the Clans, it seems like cats just started taking younger cats along with them, I like to think that Riverstar is the one who came up with the naming/ranking system in order to make apprentice training more streamlined and defined. And if there are going to be more series, I would like to see us move away from ThunderClan and even the current timeline in general. I would not mind going back to a few generations after DotC or a few generations past the current timeline, in which we get a whole cast of brand new characters and all the current cats (or at least the protagonists of the other series) are dead. Fresh characters that are not restricted or overshadowed by old characters could potentially breathe new life into the series.

[@tigerpeltofwindclan8431]

Well U R In Luck My Friend He Won The 2022 SE Poll

[@gab3963]

I think the idea that older Riverclan families have webbed toes, similar to Newfoundland dogs! Or otter like fur

[@harperthegreat]

As bad as riverclan is now, I simp for River in dawn of the clans. he is precious

[@Barnacl3_Boi]

A Shadow in RiverClan was a fantastic manga, it's a shame you didn't mention it in this video

[@karietothepowerofbooks5205]

Oh God, I haven’t read the broken code yet, but they ruined mistystar? She was One of my favourite characters. And totally agree with everything here, I love river clan a lot, but I’m not sure the Aarons do.

[@tigerpeltofwindclan8431]

River Ripple Didn't Participate In The Battle Because He's Too Fluffy XD

[@dawnstar6056]

We got Frostpaw now ^^

[@Blesk135]

Well Blood will rule the forest can mean that a lot of Blood will be spilled in the battle like “war will rule these lands”. Anyway, great video!

[@Lilfishtf4e]

Skyclan is the best clan ever! Period.

[@quinntamaskamadden]

Mothwing, Leafpool, and Squirrelflight have been my favorite characters since childhood. And RiverClan my favorite clan. I haven't read any of the books since 2014 or so, but I've been getting back into the series lately through videos recapping, analyzing, etc. the more recent arcs. I guess some will say I don't have a right, then, to comment on this but... I'm really disappointed with where things have gone and how these characters that meant so much to me as a kid have been used and treated by the Erins. Warriors was never the best series ever written. Nor does it aim to be. But I'd still wish for and expect better from it than what we've been getting. But that's just my thoughts 🤷

[@mochi_aster]

5:37 I should not be laughing this much 💀

[@inzomniacZz]

It also irks me that they also brought in a whole new clan to the mix too. Like I get they set up the whole 5th clan before this was a problem, but Sky Clan doesn't contribute to the story besides being new neighbors to shadow and thunder clan. Please Erin's, we know thunder clan is your baby but give us eyes in river clan. They have the potential to do cool stuff like claim the gathering place or like how there was the drought and they became anal over the fish.

[@_note_tabby_]

I Love You work! Keep livin life!

[@Deadchannelformerlyb]

I like your characters design

[@thewhiteshellmermaid9328]

Part of me wants to start reading this series again. I quit during power of three because none of the libraries I've frequented have more than one or two of the books and I got tired of buying them since there are so many. I do wish there was a tv show.

[@overall1937]

My favourite clan is windclan

[@Cloverrfrostt]

I have an idea. What if we got point of view characters from RiverClan and WindClan in the nest arc! I would really enjoy that!

[@darkpurplenoneofyourbeeswa6721]

I love my Crookedboi but Mothwing really was a big jerk and riverclan had a big chance with Hawkfrost but sadly now their underrated

[@amblonyxx]

This video was great but can I suggest leaving anything written up for a little bit longer so we have time to read? I love Riverclan, I hope we get a good Riverclan super edition eventually!

[@legrandliseurtri7495]

So, about the begining where you talk about where each of the clans hunt, you mention that shadowclan ''hunts in the dark''. It's funny cause their territory is indeed always portrayed in the books as being sinister, in the shadows, dark...even tho their old territory at least was a swamp. And well, swamps are in fact often quite beautiful. Like, if I had to pick a place where to live, I would have followed Tall Shadow with no hesitation. Also, I haven't read the broken code yet(I want the full arc at once next christmas), I can't watch the second half:(

[@Spectorwing]

Ok unpopular opinion here but the way mistystar treats mothwing in her novella is awful and she never fixes it with mothwing herself. It because of stonefur interfering that mistystar finally pulled her head out of the ground and actually and see that yes mothwing is useful. We all hate the way mothwing treated shadowsight in the last book. And mistystar treated mothwing the same way in her novella yet she is never called out on it. Mothwing has been a somewhat petty brash cat who lives by double standards based on her own judgments and what she wanted people to be. And it isn't a moral issue its a lack of what she wants things to be issue. But like mother like daughter although I do think mistystar is at least a bit worse than bluestar, if nothing else then just her time in which she has been this bad where as bluestars was within a concentrated period of time.

[@TheAshfurApologist]

Mistystar is actually justified in her treatment of moth. How could you intrust a non believer to be your medicine cat, or trust the daughter of tigerstar and a rouge kittypet to be a loyal clan member.

[@ladydead7001]

Mistystar's treatment of Mothwing seems even worse now since it's been revealed that Mistystar mentored Mothwing before she became a medicine cat

[@ladydead7001]

@@TheAshfurApologist How is that fair? According to that logic Mistystar shouldn't be trusted either because she's half clan. Someone's parentage is no justification for treating someone so badly and putting other clanmates in danger

[@TheAshfurApologist]

@@ladydead7001 i was just trying to be realistic about it. Misty was half clan, but her parents were still respectable cats. As opposed to moth, who had a tyrant murderer for a father, and a kitty pet for a mother. You do know that having significant kitty pet blood makes you suspicious amongst the clan

[@iceluvndiva21]

I'm on the fense. I love how different they are from the other clans. It just pains me how so many leapordb**ch destroyed it and encouraged such behavior. This is why I'm reworking the series after The New Prophecy.

[@ImaDeltaNow]

Im on both sides too! The general clan like how they swim, ect. is good, but what they do in the books is well just weird or boring.

[@happykthecat7655]

Shadow in riverclan is good and I have hopes for riverstar super edition

[@lynxyleaf7061]

you need to do this video again since the feathertail book is out lmao

[@starfruit545]

maybe once A Starless Clan book 1 is out and/or Riverstar`s SE?

[@DappleMoon]

Honestally RiverClan just got bad cases of the erins mostly using less developed characters and using RiverClan just as plot convenience

[@brianrobinson9888]

Riverclan was the worst clan? I thought windclan was? Especially under Onestar.

[@FluttercordFOREVER]

Mothwing is gonna become evil 😼

[@actuallybingbing]

I'm gonna say this right now. Riverclan should have been kicked out instead of skyclan

[@thelanktheist2626]

My biggest problem is how medicine cats are nerfed in the broken code, and everything past the first series (other than that one continuity error in the first book). HELLO, YOU ARE THE ONLY CATS WHO CAN REBUTE THE LEADER You may not worship StarClan, Mothwing, but come on, do better! You can punish Mistystar!

[@steelwingtalons127]

Ive never been this early. Second.

[@cosmicleonids]

Congrats :3

[@2simpleofamango281]

Ok but shadow clan is the best clan

[@mrlunatic4816]

Meow