RME Fireface UFX II vs. MOTU 828es vs. Focusrite Scarlett 18i8 2nd Gen

[@raymondcharles5580]

Thanks for this.. I couldn't tell the difference until the Mix at the end.. Winner MOTU hands down! Just ordered MOTU 1248

[@richardpenrose1968]

I picked up the Motu 828ES last week and I'm not having he same issue with all the buttons moving when you touch one button. In fact the built quality feels excellent and really solid!

[@ремдигга-в7щ]

RME навсегда !! 🥰

[@VoiceoverSc66]

I have the 828es and pleased to say that it is awesome! Highly recommended :)

[@lovemusic7417]

You use with thunderbolt or Usb ?

[@TruenorthmtGod]

Me 2 the bomb he got a bad one because everything he said mines don’t do. He sounds German and pro RME. Good unit but so is 828es plus a lot cheaper.

[@steviecrippsvoiceoveraudio9920]

@@lovemusic7417 I use with thunderbolt. I have had it since they were released and it hasn’t missed a beat!

[@lauritarkiainen1858]

828x is also great box.

[@ignaciof.3092]

The new Motu sounds amazing really the best option quality/price

[@kristins1985]

I got my Motu 828es today and I am very pleased with it. In contrast to the Video, it doesn't do any noise at all when turning on or off. The build quality is also top notch, I cannot think of anything I would like to change :)

[@MadebyMiike]

You got your Motu today, your are happy and yet here you are watching a comparison video? Sorry, something sounds off about that.

[@kristins1985]

@@MadebyMiike nope, I watched your video before and bought it anyway. I'm glad I did it :) just came back here to tell others that your issues are not common to all units. :)

[@andynonimuss6298]

Just ignore his review. He trashes the MOTU and Focusrite and calls them toys. He doesn't like the MOTU only because he didn't like the feel of an XLR input clip and a little bit of dust on the front panel. Wow! Seriously? Dust? Let's review a product based on some specs of dust we don't like because that makes sense. And he didn't even call MOTU customer service in an attempt to properly diagnose the noise issue to see if it was a defective unit or a misconfiguration issue in his computer setup. Clearly, he was all emotional about the RME and had no intention of creating a fair review of the other two products.

[@MikeLuke]

Interesting comparison, thanks for the upload. The biggest and most obvious jump is of course the one from the Focusrite to the Motu. So I was more interested to hear the difference between the Motu and the RME. What I've heard (using my open-back AKG K702 headphones): - The RME sounds "cleaner" with more clarity in the upper mids and highs. - The Motu adds a layer of warmth and glue and "Mojo", both in the low end and high end. The transients in the low end sound softer on the edges. - Having that said, the RME for me seems to be the more honest interface which adds no coloring whatsoever. That's a personal preference in the end, I guess. But adding the build quality and the stable drivers, the RME is the winner for me here.

[@adamcoe]

Thanks for putting this up, there is very little YT content on the 828es. Picking mine up tomorrow! Considered the RME unit as well and while it's an excellent box, I couldn't justify double the price for the very little increase in quality.

[@MadebyMiike]

You are right, the new MOTU units are awesome! Enjoy your 828es!

[@elijahmant2855]

Good an interesting review. The results were just as I expected. But the Focusrite did surprise me though. It kept up, considering it being a budget sound and interface. I liked your choice of test. Thanks, Man.

[@defrigge]

First of all: thanks for testing! 828ES is both my sound and functionality favorite after a lot of comparison and everyday use, for many reasons. I use it with Neumann nearfields and AKG K812 headphones and prefer the MOTU sound quality A LOT above that of the Focusrite I used before. The RME is fine as well, but I still would prefer the MOTU, even if they had the same price. Using a Microkorg among other keyboards myself, I doubt it's the most convincing source as reference for a comparison. A Kronos, or a quality synth like the Prophet 6 would have shed more light on the slight sound/sound quality differences between the cards IMO.

[@allanjoles3432]

I have an old MOTU 896 Firewire unit that has served me well for years. No, it doesn't have the latest in processors etc but for my application, thats not necessary, It has worked day in day out for at least 10 - 12 years except for about a year ago it wouldn't fire up, I contacted MOTU to see if it could be repaired for a reasonable cost or if I would have to go shopping. They have an excellent service program that even covers old, out of warranty products. For $100. they promptly sent me a refurbished unit that looks brand new and runs like a champ.

[@eman0828]

Motu has the best out of warranty program. Very hard to better. Money well spent that offers great vaule for the money.

[@eman0828]

Other manufacturers you would be spending and arm and a Leg in repairs past the warranty.

[@morbidmanmusic]

Now do the black lion mods... wow wow wow.

[@gratefulmusicsound8337]

This was the kind of shoot out Video should be like! Great Job! Thanks.

[@savanaviolenta]

RME always!!!

[@ssmith2019]

Cheers ! The RME was clearer and deeper, with better dynamic punch ! the difference was easily noticed !😀

[@gezor20]

i heard a huge difference - more than I had actually anticipated

[@toddwaddingtonproductions4227]

Thanks, this was one of the best comparison videos that I was looking for.

[@juancarlosmartindelcampo]

In my experience whit MOTU , no problems with Hardware ,they are Rock Solid , and in Mac the Drivers are the best. The opposite happened to me with RME , the buttons were not solid, and the DSP does not sound as good as in MOTU , I still have a MOTU Ultralite mk1 working fine , and my others MOTU works perfectly. Focusrite hardware are very good too

[@ssabdica3471]

I've been using the Motu Ultralite 1st version since 2006- just ordered the 828ES today.

[@brosiffkev8320]

I have a 828es and it’s so awesome !

[@BrianKeeganMusic]

Wow, I think the Motu is actually my favorite and I expected the RME to win it.

[@GritsNGravy]

I agree The Motu sounds clean with a touch of character. The RME is so precise the high end is almost too harsh

[@snapascrew]

1:23 microkorg focusrite 1:33 microkorg motu 1:42 microkorg rme 2:03 Strat focusrite 2:12 Strat motu 2:21 Strat rme 2:42 Les Paul focusrite 2:52 Les Paul motu 3:01 Les Paul rme

[@michael_emm]

I've been using MOTU for years. I've had an 828x and I currently own the es and haven't ran into issues that you have. Yes I understand these are opinions. I've had no issues w the connection. For interfaces your supposed to connect directly to your host. Not through a hub. I'm running thunderbolt 2. As far as a the click noise, run your main output to a monitor controller so you don't hear clicks, or take your headphones out of the matrix. Just my opinion.

[@LaminarSound]

Ive use Fireface UFX regularly for 6 yrs. Absolutely incredible unit. Rock solid. Extreme clarity and Total Mix FX is a game changer. Ive tracked everything from small ensembles to entire bands at lice concerts and have never had an issue with stability. I even mixed FOH with TotalMix for a small concert at a cafe once. Just a fantastic piece of gear that gets out of your way. Cant recommend RME enough.

[@cankutbayhan]

its obviously more dynamics capable, but man its absurd what motus with thier peculiar flaws here and there appearing with, so its abit more paranoid to come into a full relief about anything...and would you say firewire usb conversion to be useful i mean smooth?

[@johntyler8438]

One important thing - the drivers on the RME are rock solid. This seems like a small thing but it's not. I started with the Focusrite Scarlett but had many issues over time with crashes, audio not being routed correctly, and needing to work to get it to just work. Ordered the RME Fireface UFX II - and bam, no problems. The routing is also super flexible (although it took me a good hour or two to figure out the first time). I love my RME - no driver problems, ever. It's just something I don't need to worry about now. Also, I've been able to use the ADAT functionality to expand it and get even more I/O which is part of what you pay for with the additional price.

[@musicproducer9952]

MOTU makes the same stuff at a fraction of the cost. I have the 828ES and the drivers are very rock solid on Windows. I almost bought the RME UFX but glad I didn't. MOTU offers more bang for the buck as I see no reason to over spend 1500 more for the same thing.

[@AlistairMaxwell77]

@@musicproducer9952 not even close to the same thing . the professional features , build quality , life cycle functionality and support and return on investment are not a priority for home/semipro user but if you were in a professional environment using them every day year upon year for a decade or more then those things add up to real $$$ , much much more than 1500$ purchase difference . that's not to say the motu is bad, but if its a different product designed for a different functional requirement

[@eman0828]

@@AlistairMaxwell77 I can tell you never used a motu product before. Motu does of all that as thy support their drivers long term. The original 828 firmware interface drivers were supported for ove 17 consecutive years straight. All MOTU hardware was built with professional features as they aren't budget interfaces. They make high end to mid level gear.

[@misstress1928]

Scarlett is more cohesive in the upper mids, which is a good thing for guitars and basses. For mics I'd go with more transparent preamps like RME or Clarett. In other words, would be very interesting if you could do a comparison like this between this RME and Focusrite Clarett.

[@xsonusstudios]

I recently bought the RME UFX+ and came from a Steinberg interface. I agree with all your points and think they apply to the UFX+ the same. The sound is a little precise, lacks some of the mojo the Steinberg had, but overall I am happy with the stability and connectivity. Steinberg unfortunately is famous for ceasing support on their interfaces, so I wanted to get a long term solution this time.

[@vib_di]

RME headroom and HF response is remarkable.

[@fiascoseven2796]

The Motu had the most cohesive upper mid range which allowed the G-B-E Strings to appear more even and balanced. It also had the better string to string balance without drifting into muddy / boomy sonic territorries, I wished it had a tad more 'air' in its response though. The RME had the widest extensions in respect to the pure frequency response, more low- and more high end. The frequency response isn't accurate though, The treble strings never appeared to sound uniform enough in regards to amplitude and dispersion of harmonic density. Even though the sonics were pleasing, the RME lacked a tight time response which will be a detriment when handling percussive sound sources, because the transient detail will not be fully phase neutral. But the treble extension had a nice sheen to it, sort of a velvety smooth overlay which will suit vocal performances and other non transient sources. The Scarlett on the other side had a degree of 'echoing' in its signal which occurs as consequence of inproper filtering during the A/D conversion stage. Cost saving measures I suppose.

[@DystopianOwl]

The Motu sounded great! The difference between the RME and Motu sonically isn't $1000... But the difference between the Scarlett and Motu is worth every penny.

[@PORRFNK]

The older Motu cards had problems with drivers, software and didnt sound nearly as good. I dont know the newer units, but I am not going back to Motu

[@ifiwantyoutofeel]

@@PORRFNK liar liar

[@PORRFNK]

@@ifiwantyoutofeel What do you mean? I had my fair share of problems. With the older cards the input levels vere quite important to make a good recording. I had problems with sudden high pitched noises and crashing software. The pre-amps were not that clean, which made the recordings muddy in the low end. What is your experience and what cards did you have?

[@StevenClements]

@@PORRFNK I've been using MOTU for decades and never had these issues

[@PORRFNK]

@@StevenClements 896HD?

[@Ciscomeister]

This is just what I was looking for! Thank you for a solid and in depth review on the MOTU. You rock.

[@kesa63]

Very nice and brave presentation. I have RME Fireface UC four years, and it sounds great!

[@LohPro]

Obviously, we all like to save some cash when we can, but when looking at interfaces, RME really sounds like it's worth it. One RME interface VS many different interfaces over the years. I'm waiting for a new "mid-range" RME unit, maybe an updated UC/UCX. Mainly because of the drivers & like you said, all RME have good resale value. Appreciate the shootout here! A+

[@MadebyMiike]

Thanks mate, appreciate it!

[@UniqueThaPoet]

I just bought the Motu 828Es, and I have to say it sounds amazing. I highly recommend this interface. Blown away by the sound . KZbin doesn’t do the converters justice.

[@eman0828]

@Snake Plissken Nah RME uses all AKM chips but def not what's in the MOTU. The MOTU is using the latest cutting edge chips. 32bit ESS Sabre on the DAC and a 32bit AKM on the ADC side.

[@eman0828]

@Snake Plissken Yes indeed which puts RME to shame that's over priced. MOTU hardware products are manufactured domestically in the US which is impressive to keep the cost down. *Virtex Enterprise* a Electronic Assembly Service based out in Austin, TX is MOTUs Assembly contractor that assembles its hardware.

[@morbidmanmusic]

Yes, they save money on the build, which he shows in this video. Cheaper switches, board mounted pots and switches... that is why RME cost more. I use MOTU, and love it, and generally them. Most of their units worked right up to apples last Computer chips. Digital Performer is also great.

[@theblowupdollsmusic]

Thank you so much for taking the time to do this.

[@Mheyos]

To me the audio conversion sounds better on the RME, especially, high harmonics... But I have to admit that if we only discuss audio quality, there is not such a difference that changes the games for a personal recording purpose.

[@PrathamBhatia]

East or West, Motu is the best.

[@johnnyparker2128]

I want to upgrade from a Focusrite Saffire Pro so that I can utilize my Thunderbolt port but there are not too many affordable rack-mounted Thunderbolt interfaces other than the MOTU 828es. Bummer.

[@JamesJones-th3ml]

Each unit sounds better and better lol the RME is awesome have to say! Through some good monitors up loud enough to hear things each interface is based on price. The sound quality goes up with the price. Last time I watched this one I didn't hear a difference as much. I had to turn on the monitors to hear it best.

[@althewicked]

I wonder whats the difference between this "MOTU 828es" and the new "Motu 8Pre-es" in term of converters, pre-amps, headphone amp and build quality? Also the new MOTU Ultralite MK4 is a very interesting product.

[@eman0828]

There isn't much difference. The mic pres and converses are exactly the same. The only difference is the 828ES only has 2 mic pres. David from of MixBus TV uses both the AVB 16A and 8PreES. Top notch quality stuff.

[@theflatearthsociety]

​@@eman0828 I notice the 8pre version of the 828es is only like $200 more. I am planning on getting an 828es specifically because I already have a rack full of 500-series CAPI pres, and wanted my money to go as much as possible toward conversion rather than preamps I won't use much. The small price difference between the two units makes me figure the pres can't be significantly better than my firewire 8pre I'm currently lending to a friend.

[@infindebula]

Would the audio results have been different going through the TRS line inputs on each interface rather than the preamps? Personally I expect to seldom use the mic preamps on my interface, as I don't want their coloration. I don't need even 15 dB of gain, since I'll always be coming from an external mixer (as I would expect most professionals to do as well)

[@sonysoni5079]

Hi. Great video. Thank you. Do you know what is the full name of the new Motu interface that you are talking in time 12:38 ?

[@rohitRraina]

There's one motu UltraLite avb

[@sonysoni5079]

@@rohitRraina Thanks I'm going to check it

[@manmaanmishra6763]

RME on Fire...

[@maxmeadb]

So, we're listening to the looper pedal's conversion?

[@morbidmanmusic]

But still able to compare between three. Yes, nice mics in a perfect studio, on a high quality playback is better, but the this is way more real word. And the same comparison gauge can used, for the most part. It's A B or C. Not what it started with.

[@maxmeadb]

@@morbidmanmusicI hear ya. I just feel the looper would degrade the audio far more than any of the interfaces would.

[@STUnknown]

Heh, if you think the MOTU sounds great at 44.1/48k, wait till you hear these chips at 192 like in my 16A...Scary good. Overall, MOTU is killing it with these latest converters/price. Warm, yummy huge audio. RME/Apogee- level sound, or possibly better depending on what you like- but priced more reasonably. It's a winner here over TB2/Win10- very rock solid and stable. Over USB though lookout- other devices on USB can cause issues on some systems. Thank you MOTU for bringing us this extreme capability without having to mortgage the house for it! Reaper/MOTU/Midas Venice F32- umm yeah I be havin lotsa fun!

[@MagneticSon]

Do you mind me asking how you have connected the Midas to the motu? I have a Venice f16 and thinking of getting a motu 828es but there are no stereo direct outs on the Venice so not sure how to connect all channels to the interface

[@freeimproviser4303]

The difference is crazy. You really get what you pay for.

[@sunahura]

Love this review, great job.

[@MadebyMiike]

Thanks mate!

[@kamilmacinski5691]

Thanks for doing this comparison. It needs to be said that YT is using 128 kbps ACC format for audio so it's rather low quality compression, especially for this context. DITTO looper converters are probably low shelf as well so in the end any claims about big differences are certainly not true.

[@mikeleftystrat]

Great Review, My personal experience with the MOTU AVB interfaces,I have a 16A,1248 and the 828x.What is the big advancement over all the interfaces is the AVB Streams with multiple computers and AVB interfaces.I can use my Mac Book Pro 2013 with an 828x,using the (16) channels of ADAT I/O running any software say Komplete,.Route as many Instruments to separate mixer channels to the 16A or 1248 ADAT I/O.I Run Studio One or Logic on My 2013 MAC Tower with the 16A and 1248 via Thunder Bolt yielding a total of 128 AVB streams to my Software.My 16A, i run a mixer config.via Triton Studio,Roland XP 60,Roland Fantom 8,Korg Kronos,Roland Integra 7,Alesis QSR Rack and,Yamaha Motif Rack XS.All these analog sounds can be sent to the Mac Pro running the DAW software via AVB.Control all the Midi and Sync via MOTU Midi Express XT.I use 2 Express XT's, too much Equipment to list.Last i can run all the analog outputs to my SPL Mix Dream for 16 channels of analog summing,this is priceless i can add another summing mixer if needed.On the RME you get 8 outs with 2 you have to use for Monitor Playback.On the MOTU's an awesome 8 outs with 2 dedicated Monitor Outs.The MOTU AVB Interfaces have completely integrated my growth of my equipment over 40yrs.And at the price,it was a no brainer for me.All the other interfaces are great depending your studio size and needs.I did a lot of research on interfaces and the MOTU Series are the only out there "my opinion" that's trying to suffice to the broad range of studio applications.The MOTU AVB Discovery App with its Routing capability surpasses any thing out there on the market.The 828es was just released and i was floored, this model is so advanced for the price.This interface can be used as a 5.1 surround sound interface. A light bulb went off and said"I can use this with my Mackie Big Knob for more monitor support and an interface for my 003 control surface if needed. Finally to add, i purchased an Antelope Audio Orion32+,$3000.00. Pristine converters,for the sound out of the box untouchable. Were it failed was the routing software.For the bugs,i needs a can of RAID.Back to Sweet Water it went..It's nowhere worth that price. Can't stand up against the MOTU Discovery software or RME Total Mix software. Now, after listing to those great converters your ears will adjust and you will not notice the difference in quality of sound if you purchase something else with just as good quality converters.Don't let high end prices suck you end, i've learned. I just ordered an 828es to complete my arsenal of interfaces. My choice of Interfaces,Hands Down MOTU AVB. You will not know what your missing until you purchase one!

[@johnlocopalmer]

And just to add to your positive feedback about 828es, here are some measurements that I did on line I/O at 48kHz and 96kHz that absolutely reflect how linear is the frequency response of its line inputs and outputs: 48kHz/24 bit FR: monosnap.com/image/upWAOj3YyQY3a2m8R5V8Y75rjERQrA.png 96kHz/24 bit FR: monosnap.com/image/oICP7AKzKRXbW4PYTsXotCoGZtgJjG.png More at www.gearslutz.com/board/showpost.php?p=13261862&postcount=46 No, I don't work for MOTU. But I did some research and eventually bought 828es for myself and I don't regret it. Flawless USB/optical operation, excellent ADC/DAC.

[@NaraMouth]

Great, thanks for this nice shoutout, it really helps me for my choice

[@SPSquirtle]

MOTU sounds amazing!!!

[@pnutbuttajellee1394]

Interesting, but should do a BLIND version and then reveal which is which. I am betting you will get mixed results and would be curious with a voting tally chart or something showing overall results. If anyone is able to "hear" a difference, it will only be the different preamp circuit designs. People like to use all kinds of arbitrary adjectives when it comes to audio/sound preference. Entertainment purposes only.

[@claycowartisamazing]

Might as well create the content and do the BLIND version yourself.

[@vincentouwendijk3746]

What a crazy difference...I have the Focusrite, but especially the difference of the first 2 instruments in depth and clarity between the 18i20 and the RME is so huge..

[@SamAudio10]

That's is the main difference professional one should look for . Keep it up bro....love from India❤️🥰

[@70mcnevin]

RME is for those who can't spend time with inconsistent sound, buggy drivers, lack of continuous support and middling sound quality. I've never had anything as cheap as a Novice Level Focusrite. Well maybe a SoundBlaster almost 20 years ago, but I've had MOTU and I was seriously underwhelmed. UFX+ I currently have is phenomenal. It just always works. Every single time. All of the time. I dont get clicks, pops, dropouts or any other artifacts. You can record, mix and pre-master at pro levels with the UFX. You can probably do o.k. with the 828, but I dont trust MOTU and I especially cannot deal with their horrific GUI web based mixing software.

[@eman0828]

I have zero issues with my 828ES and M4. They all run flawlessly on both of my Windows 10 machines. I use the M4 on my Legion 5 laptop amd the 828ES on my custom build desktop machine. Not sure what you mean by RME having long term driver when MOTU does as well. MOTU made drivers for its original 828 firewire interface for 17 years straight that came out in year 2000.

[@clickbaitpro]

Focusrite is solid interface for the price with solid drivers. Ever tried Apollo twin mk2? Sounds more richer than UFX.

[@eman0828]

@@clickbaitpro Focusrite drivers are absolutely terrible esp on Windows. Owned the Focusrite Scarlett (1st), Focusrite Forte USB interface and the Focusrite Clarett 8pre all gave me driver issues. The Forte and Scarlett often gave me the BSOD.

[@70mcnevin]

@@clickbaitpro Focusrite? Uhh..not really. Tell yourself what you will, but the 999.99 Apollo Twin isn't in the same class as the $2800.00 RME UFX+. If the Apollo is "richer" , it's due to coloration. Not that it's bad, but it's definitely for bedroom recording, not for a dedicated studio.

[@morbidmanmusic]

MOTU drivers are rock solid. Sorry.

[@enewhuis]

Truth is in the hi-hats.

[@rockostiffredi4276]

Excellent work, cheers, makes me glad I went RME also.Would be interesting to compare the RME to the UA Apollo.

[@nicholasparis5281]

Those are probably more on par with each other, but also would be interesting to see if we could hear anything between those two... Still.. with this video, it really shows how damn far cheap interfaces have come... M-BOX ONE anyone lol??

[@nicholasparis5281]

I honestly heard (with my FLAT RESPONSE AT phones) the quality go in the same order you demoed them - they all are totally acceptable, and really, price and what features... BUT sonically.. I actually heard a much more pronounced low end and wider stereo spectrum in the motu much more apparently compared to the Focusrite (along with the mid that everyone else seemed to also notice).. I think the RME somehow sounded like it managed to be a cross between colored and transparent.. maybe that "colored" vibe I'm getting is coming from the larger, apparently more rounder tone from the RME, respectively? (I don't have a ton of experience with Vintage Valves - you know the variable standard - i.e. since all valve pre's are different units every time you switch one on!).. But I've heard a lot of people on the PC side of the desk saying MOTU's software is about as flimsy as the hardware that you pointed out.. I own an Apogee Duet, and Behringer UMC-404HD (it's actually a great 2nd interface for a bedroom home studio.. don't knock it.. they've stepped their game way up at Behringer!), but I'm in the market for maybe Presonus1818, or Motu 828mk3, or the 18i20 from focusrite... and I'm a little disappointed in that quality of the buttons and knobs you point out on the motu... I think I'm going to pick one up if I can score it for cheap, so hopefully it's not already broken from only have been "GENTLY USED IN A SMOKE FREE STUDIO" LOL...

[@gerbenzondervan3331]

RME ff400 still supported after 16 years after the release!!! Name me one company that does so...

[@ImagineRecordings]

MOTU still supports their 828 and 896 from 2002. But yeah, I _do_ wish more companies still supported their older stuff the way that RME and MOTU do.

[@eman0828]

@@ImagineRecordings The 828 acutally came out in year 2000 that was supported 17 consecutive years. It was the worlds first firewire interface ever. That's a big selling point long term driver support that I switched from Focusrite to MOTU.

[@ImagineRecordings]

@@eman0828 Agreed. My poorly worded initial comment was in reference to the 896 being from 2002, whereas the 828 is from 2000, as you noted. :) Our main studio interface(s) at the moment are the 828x, which is a _great_ unit! Now looking into the MOTU 1248, mostly for on-screen matrix routing feature and ESS Sabre32 Ultra DAC. Definitely becoming a "MOTU guy" through and through. Love their designs, innovation, support policies, and company practices (Made in USA, Warranties, etc). Good stuff!

[@eman0828]

@@ImagineRecordings Same. I have the 828ES as my main workhorse studio interface that's housed in my Argosy console desk full of analog outboard. I also have the MOTU M4 for my mobile rig. The drivers for both units are some of the most rock solid stable drivers on Windows ever compared to a number of interfaces I've used over the years. Even the latency is way lower than Focusrite. I'm use to sequence on hardware keyboards and an MPC and man soon as I hooked up my Presonus Atom drum Pad controller and trigger some drum samples in Studio One, it littery felt like I was still using my hardware MPC Drum Machine with no noticable latency even at 128 sample buffer setting. David Gnozzi from MixBusTV was the one that sold me on to MOTU after watching his reviews. I might snag a 16A as my outboard expands more. I can hook both the AVB interfaces up with single ethernet cable similar to Focusrites RedNet dante interfaces.

[@ImagineRecordings]

@@eman0828 Awesome setup, Eman! We're really loving the hybrid studio, as well. I love that the on-screen matrix routing in the newer MOTU units effectively turns outboard/hardware racks (Pres, EQs, Comps, Reverb, etc) into basically real world "plugins" in terms of how they interact with the DAW. The MOTU matrix routing handles the signal path, and all we have to do is click what path we want on the individual channel in the DAW. While, this only allows for one hardware instance to be used at a time vs near infinite repeatability with a software plugin, I find it is very, very useful when trying to shape a sound with hardware after being recorded. Example: Record a vocal direct to interface to DAW and then afterward, use the matrix routing to try that vocal in different hardware preamps in the studio. When you find the one you like, press record and re-amp the vocal through the hardware however you like. I hope that all made sense. Haha.

[@Scott__C]

Good overview, thanks. I thought the MOTU sounded best just by a hint on my system. I think the RME and MOTU are just meant to mostly be left on. I owned a MOTU 896HD for over 10 years and never turned it off. Also, couldn't you just push the Mute button to silence the outputs if you want to shut it down?

[@rosewood2169]

I want to know you honest opinion on the Motu 828es as far as drivers go and conversion and overall sound quality. And I really want to know what is the round trip latency for USB connection. I want to you this with my Mac pro 2012.

[@rosewood2169]

@Роман Владимирович Thanks for the feedback. I have the Motu 828es and I love it. Just trying to figure out how to rout my outputs in pro tools to the Motu Analysis Tools program that came with it. If you know or anyone know I would love the help.

[@dire4048]

Bought the RME 802!

[@mathewo9209]

In all honesty, given that the differences are ever so slight when all the elements are put into the context of the mix, a slight 1.5-3.0db boost here and there would be an easy and cheaper solution. The RME sounded a little more rounded and full, especially in comparison to the Focusrite, it had more pleasing low-mids, but let's not forget one thing: Is it really a $1,650 difference in terms of the Focusrite vs RME? Clearly not.

[@lesleybernard9277]

interesting! thanks for the review. I am on a scarlett 1st gen 18i20 and thinking about upgrading to an rme fireface. 🤔

[@tauttechminusmanagedmusic3778]

All great, but all pretty ancient warmed over versions of previous boxes. These companies should make their tech jumps as big as their price jumps.

[@miguelpessanha]

5:48 You noticed a cleared difference between the 2 generations? The conversion was supposed ti be the same, same chip. Only the instrument preamp were changed. How did you find a lot of difference between the 2nd generations but not not a lot between these 3 interfaces? Thanks.

[@MadebyMiike]

I can only tell you what I experienced (and the people I did the comparison as welll). I don't know what exactly they changed, maybe it was "just" the headphone outs, but the same project/song, with the same headphones sounded a lot (!!) cleaner, fatter and with more detail on Gen 2. Even people that don't care for sound could clearly tell the difference. And believe me, the difference between Scarlett Gen 1 and Gen 2 was waaay more obvious than between those 3 (not saying there is none)

[@drumz4u385]

There are other reviews that also say this, and owning the older scarlet I agree. Every 5 to 10 years is gonna improve on technology always. In 5 to 10 years from now I wouldnt be suprised if the gen 3 scarletts are on par with the rme. Welcome to prosumerism

[@miguelpessanha]

@@drumz4u385 Yeah but the funny thing is not even Focusrite claims they improved the converters, they say they improved the latency and isntruments inputs but not the quality of the converters or preamps. If they didnt why wouldnt they advertise it|? Ive heard the chip is the same.

[@littleoakstudio4254]

@@miguelpessanha actually it says on thier website they have upgraded the converters in gen 2. So that it can handle 24/192 khz. And the preamps where tweaked for more headroom.

[@АлексейВискалов-и6х]

MOTU 828es = COOL !!!

[@vonbleak101]

If you were using a looper to feed the units then its all line or instrument level going in so you are not really testing the preamps...

[@perekstrand]

Coldplay used the RME UFX for recording a live album. Thats what I heard anyway. Should say something. I tried the Apollo twin because it looked very good and a lot of plugins BUT after I recorded pianos and guitars, I just returned it to the store and kept the RME UFX. Im not deaf yet..

[@perekstrand]

I want to add that Im not a profeesionsl recording technician😉

[@mauriziovarini5752]

Some companies add a little high or top end in their converters.... You can clearly hear the difference between The scalett and the other two.

[@MadelnMachines]

What about latency and how reliable and up to date the drivers are? I tend to use only line inputs rather than preamps for the most part running synths and drum machines into it. I absolutely hate it when my drum machines and synth parts are delayed or don't sync up with my vsts and in the box parts of the track. I also hate it when my soundcard fails to be recognised, has drop outs, glitches or other driver issues. I could afford the RME UC, UCX or 802 but I really think it might be complete overkill for my needs as a home producer who might want to use the card for the occasional dj or live performance gig. Everyone just says but RME - best quality, best sound, best drivers, best support. I just wonder If I have to or if i can be satisfied with a cheaper card. I'm not too fussed about the 5% difference in sound I may or may not notice - it's the drivers, latency and software integration i'm more concerned with. I already got burned once buying cheap with echo audio cards which gave me high latency, glitches, dropouts and now is discontinued and no longer recognised by my laptop. Thanks for your thoughts.

[@MadebyMiike]

Hi! "my drum machines and synth parts are delayed or don't sync up with my vsts and in the box parts of the track." Do you mean software drums or synths? Because if you mean hardware, all of those units tested have direct in/direct out, so you hear no latency whatsoever if you jam with your hardware stuff to some tracks from your DAW. It's a little bit different with software vsti latency. I only tested Superior Drummer 3.0 (smaller kit, roughly 1 gb of data) and I found to be RME the fastest experience of those 3. The Scarlett was fast as well without clicks or pops (sorry, can't remember sampel rates or ms anymore), while I had trouble with the MOTU - but I bet that's simply because of the old browser on my laptop (surfing the web there is a slog, so naturally a soundcard that uses the browser as it's mix control will suffer too). Is there no way that you can try out one of the second gen Scarletts? Some store that lets you return stuff within a month or so, no questions asked? I feel you simply wouldn't need a RME, but I can't guarantee that a Scarlett will work on your PC/Laptop. These things are best tried out...

[@MadelnMachines]

AllaboutafriendONLINE I meant if I'm routing midi notes out of the DAW to a synth or drum machine it lags behind the audio / vsts playing in my DAW. Yeah I could try it and just return it if it doesn't work out.

[@amitojsingh44]

Please make a Comparison of Rme Ufx with Focusrite Clarret.

[@aslandunya9527]

is the UFX+ pretty hard to learn? i plan to get it with 12mic to pair it with more preamps does the synhs going into the line inputs in the back needs more gain from preamps? or does the unit adjust the low level signal?

[@MattLGreer]

Where you getting the 12mic from? Just curious.

[@soulfulsawan]

The motu preamps really makes the mid range go boom!

[@mukwanatimothy6426]

Try to put their a Claret instead of scarlet and see the difference

[@behruzk194]

great video, just one thing about the conclusion, how did you say that the motu wins and focusrite loses, with all the flaws and bugs being said about the motu? i'm going to buy a new interface this week and your review helped me to buy an 18i8 g2

[@MadebyMiike]

Hey Behruz, I think you missunderstood me. My personal overall winner is the RME - for the quality of it's hardware and software, but it's very expensive, while the Focusrite and the MOTU are both number 2. Motu has better features while the Focusrite has a more solid build. Soundwise they all come close, you definitely can achieve great results with a Scarlett 2nd gen! Just know that 2nd gen units work best starting from Windows 8.1 (they don't officially support Windows 8). Hope this helps, cheers, Mike!

[@cyorkgo]

There really is no this vs. that anymore when it comes to professional interfaces. Unlike 10 years ago when the whole digital age was in its infancy. ALL of the interfaces sound great today and most of them are using the same chipset (converters). What it really comes down to today, is I/O needs. RME has always had the edge with its drivers, but that is no longer an issue today because Windows and Mac are both on top of their game. Every since Windows 7-64 its just a none issue. All of these interfaces sound great, they just have different workflows. Good video,

[@ForeverYoung007]

Read the reviews on most interfaces there are complaints about poor driver support or ongoing development , even in 2018. This applies to most manufactures. You will find less complaints on Steinberg and RME, or the ones that continue to provide updates and development support.

[@AdamJayTechnoElectro]

Agreed. And that's why I am very much happy with my MOTU over my previous interfaces (Apogee Duet 2, and Echo Audiofire 4). The MOTU driver is much more solid at 64 samples operation.

[@geraldgoodiii6993]

My 828es is solid as a brick. Any of the quality issues u had on yours aren’t on mine. Is yours preproduction?

[@MadebyMiike]

Hi, no, bought it straight from a retailer. Thanks for watching!

[@HiredGoonage]

did you not just see those buttons wiggle?

[@geraldgoodiii6993]

I I sure as hell did. That’s messed up man.

[@Robbinsffxi]

Someone might have opened it, and not put it properly back together.

[@andynonimuss6298]

@@HiredGoonage Likely a damaged unit in shipping. No one else is reporting button wiggle.

[@ottomanmuzic5744]

just bought a ufx+, its the best!

[@seancurtin5131]

Thank you very much for making this terrific comparison video. Currently I've been looking at all 3 of those manufacturers for an interface to replace my TC Electronics Studio Konnekt 48. My main issues with the TC have been poor build quality(it's been sent off to repair 3 times.) very poor driver support for it's proclaimed excellent firewire interface(it took them about 2.5 years to get a driver that seemed to work in a stable way. At least they continued support for the unit I guess.) and now I'm having issues with the gains on all channels so I'm keen to try another manufacturer. I've been debating the validity of obtaining an RME due to the higher price tag but as your video clearly demonstrates, build quality is much better. My only other issue is that while RME have an excellent driver support for there hardware, there customer support seems to be a touch lacking(I'm still awaiting a response from 2 days ago on what Thunderbolt card they recommend for a windows PC for example. This is important as on the TC I had a lot of drama's until I obtained a Firewire card with a TI chipset for example. I don't want to repeat that experience with an interface like RME that should function flawlessly out of the box.). So I guess RME will have me sold if I get a decent response from them. If they don't replay within the week, then I'll have to assume they don't care and I'll look at the Focusrite range. Thank you for your excellent overview it's helped me steer towards the final 2 decisions in my new audio interface setup.

[@MadebyMiike]

Hi Sean. This is an interesting topic and one that I have thought about recently. In a sense I feel we are spoiled these days that we contact the producer of something and demand an answer. Imagine, just 10 years ago, if you wanted to buy a new Mazda, you would have never even thought about writing Mazda Japan and ask them something about the car, no, you probably would have asked your dealer. And maybe I am oldschool, but I still rather ask my dealer (or consult some forums) than to ask the manufacturer of a product some questions. My point is...well, I don't really know what my point is, I just find that funny that we take end-customer support for granted, when in fact, we technically don't even buy from RME/Focusrite/MOTU/whathaveyou, we buy from a dealer of choice :-) Anyways, can't tell you how long RME costumer support takes usually, I hope (and after a couple of weeks of working with my RME, am hopefull) that I will never need them! Thanks for watching! Mike

[@seancurtin5131]

It would be great to get product knowledge like that from the local dealer but sadly they simply shrug at me. Also knowing the best interface to connect a product they designed would surely be a question only they themselves could answer(there test setups should have yielded a result.) This said the more I look into Thunderbolt interfaces for the PC, the more it's looking like I'm going to need an entire motherboard upgrade to utilise Thunderbolt as add on cards seem to be simply interfaces for motherboards that support Thunderbolt, it's not simply a case of obtaining an upgrade card like the old days it would seem. (That said evidently cards are coming out.) Thought I'd share that as Thunderbolt is so new to the PC world that it's sadly like Firewire before it going to be MAC supported first and PC supported 2nd. I wish audio interface designers wouldn't assume all musicians use MAC's because honestly it would be a small fraction of the overall recording world out there.

[@changedahanddlessss]

dude i love the rme software.... just trying out motu though... does focusrite even have software like rme?

[@gauthiergareau]

Thanks for this....really three different sounds!

[@thisdreamwespeak7828]

thanks for the video. I was looking for a direct comparison between motu 828 and Focusrite yesterday as I am purchasing a motu tomorrow. whats your opinion on motu?

[@thisdreamwespeak7828]

nm spoke too quick.. I see u have opinions on all lol

[@freedomnow2214]

just dont

[@thesaxophonechannel4408]

RME has the best transient clarity. But MOTU sounds nice and round. RME is great on detail. That's why I have them

[@sevchyk]

Do you have any issues with RME?

[@shearn666]

Great review. Thanks for posting.

[@JuusoHoo]

wow nice comparison and compacT! I hear very little difference! Listened with AKG K240! Wow, this gives me good aspect to buying!!! Thank You very much!

[@JuusoHoo]

@Rashid A ? can you advise?

[@JuusoHoo]

@Rashid A Imeant to ask: can you please tell where and how you heard the difference, please. 🙂

[@JuusoHoo]

@Rashid A well ok, you mean that subjectivity is in everyones ears&imagination. My over 10 000 Hz can be already partly gone, but I heard not much difference. Of course man must remember that KZbin there in between compresses audio too in a way we do not know exactly. And I have no way to test them them side by side alive.

[@JuusoHoo]

@Rashid A :D :D haha I have Amphion One18+Amp500 plus AKG studio HF´s, so enough good :D I dont hear any big difference. :D Thanks anyway!

[@JuusoHoo]

@Rashid A :D :D I you say so... I just have a working space full of old tube amps & theatre stuff, but good speakers. Anyway, I went for Clarett 8Prex/thunderbolt as I got one used in good shape. The 2nd hand RME´s suitable for my wallet around here are the 800 Firewires, and for the same money I got a TB2 connection. Rashid lets Keep on doing good stuff and enjoying music & Sounds!

[@nelsonnichols8467]

I have a rosetta 200 AD converter. Is the quality of the AD conversation on these as good as the rosetta?

[@eman0828]

*White Sea Studio* acutally switched his Apogee Rosettas out for several MOTU AVB interfaces. He said the MOTUs sound better and very dyanmic sounding.

[@rosewood2169]

This is very funny. I got the Motu 828es not that long ago and I love it. The motu is not close to the Focusrite it's leaning towards the RME if you ask me Focusrite to me always sound digital and bridle especially the Scarletts . The buttons on my Motu 828es is solid and not cheap feel I feel like they gave you the prototype before the release lmao. The sound quality is great I wouldn't do RME Money for an 2% better quality lol. And on top of that at the end of the day it is really up to the audio engineer to deliver the mix of the song the quality the feel ect... Start with learning how to get great at mixing never look at what everyone else got and use what you have. The Motu is an better choice for the money and sound. it has a lot of options on this unit and the headphone amps is loud lol. Shootouts like this is not real world test you never know what people are doing behind the camera so never trust it. Best way to do is get hands on with it and make your decisions from there like I did.

[@andynonimuss6298]

And... MOTU has a far better warranty program than RME. With MOTU, the first 2 years are free, and out-of-warranty is just a flat $99 fee to fix anything for life. RME has a 2-year limited warranty for the USA and 5-year limited warranty for Germany. RME's warranty comes with a lot of exceptions, out-of-warranty costs are all on you and is supported by a third party and not RME. The MOTU warranty is simple, hassle-free, and much cheaper for repairs while the RME warranty is not.

[@rosewood2169]

@@andynonimuss6298 Thanks a lot for finishing that up for me I forgot all about that lol. thanks! Really true facts.

[@beeisbad]

Great info bro! thanks.

[@eman0828]

RME products are way overpriced compared to what MOTU and many others offer. I own an 828ES as well super rock solid, reliable and near Apogee like digital conversion. The latency peformance is extremely low much lower than any interface I've used to date.

[@DietmarSchillinger]

Dont know which version you have but on mine the buttons are not moving must be an issue on the backplane possibly

[@MichaelJHathaway]

Two knobs on the UFX will lower the headphones. Also the Arc Usb can lower the headphones.

[@johnwill3953]

Nahhhh guys that RME is by far the winner when you listen in a proper environment, like man, I'm just gonna save my money, I was like a lot of you guys not trying to justify the price difference, but if you get in a proper environment and listen its clear as day man.

[@morbidmanmusic]

As much as I love gear, and do better than what is in this video, NONE are the winner. He who makes a great song is the winner, and all these could relay that. Get to work. Use the cheapest gear, and make it hard. You will do better work.

[@tuneunleashed]

@@morbidmanmusic Buddy…this is about an Audio Interface and RME is just that good !

[@EnzoBalsamoprofessionaldj]

I'm a DJ, and I just want the interface with the best sound to play pre-recorded songs from my computer, what audio interface would you recommend?

[@MutualMart]

RME Babyface Pro or take a look at the RME Fireface UCX ;) On the RME YT-Channel are videos for DJ Setups with the interfaces.

[@gilbertduenas6031]

Another one to look at that has really good DAC converters and good preamps just in case you wanna record are the interfaces by Audient. They’re a good middle ground between the scarlett and rme and motu. Although the scarlett will do it no problem just with less quality in the converter section

[@Hexspa]

They also have the ADI-2 series which are just converters.

[@eman0828]

You can't go wrong with a MOTU M2 or M4. The M Series marketed toward the Home recording and DJ market. You don't need to spend a lot on an interface these days. RME stuff may be great but it's way way over priced for most people. It seems like MOTU offers better vaule for the money for the same if better quality at the fraction of the cost of an RME product. Both companies make professional products and offer long term driver support.

[@jaegervand2112]

I have been with RME since the FW800, but I have to say that the new MOTU 8pre-es, to my ears, sounds as good as, if not better than my UFX II. MOTU has equally stable drivers and the same level of support too. The only thing I think I would miss if I were to switch, would be Total Mix.

[@eman0828]

Right! Both are great but MOTU offers great vaule for the money that makes RME products a bit overpriced for the same or better quality that ticks many boxes even for twice the price. A lot of the MOTU AVB stuff is used in commercial studios and in live play back rigs for major concerts similar to the Focusrite RedNet range.

[@BoboButYouCanCallMeTom]

I'm really on the edge of buying the motu 8pre es

[@BoboButYouCanCallMeTom]

In this video you are talking about a Focusrite gen 1 vs gen 2 review, I can't seem to find it. I would really like to know since I already own a 1st gen focusrite 18i20 and want to know what the difference is.

[@theflatearthsociety]

50dB of dynamic range vs 46dB on gen 1. gen 2 will also have lower latency.

[@theflatearthsociety]

upgraded preamps and revised A/D conversion. It's worth the upgrade as the 18i20 is not enormously expensive.

[@BoboButYouCanCallMeTom]

@@theflatearthsociety Thanks, think I'm just going to save up for an RME 800 or 802

[@frankardos4211]

Hi Mike my friend. Have you tried the Ventris Dual Reverb yet? I would like to know what you think. Thank you and God Bless

[@MadebyMiike]

No yet mate, but I will soon!

[@frankardos4211]

Cool. Thx bud

[@JediaelOliveira]

Thank you for this video. Verry Helpful!

[@MarcoCorteMcore]

actually the speakers should be the last things to be turned on, and the first to be turned off. Even to avoid/reduce the pop sound on the active speakers. The sound you hear from motu is a problem only on your headphones. But again, if you have a good headphones like AKG, they are like automatically switched off anytime you take off your head, and I usually take them off before to shut down pc, audio interfaces and so on

[@derrickchapman8504]

It's no videos on how good the ad da converter is on focusrite interfaces

[@followyourpassion8378]

I had an Apogee Quartet, have a RME Babyface Pro an MOTU M4. I record mostly nylon guitar with 2 mics and synths. I only record on iOS (Cubasis & Multitrack DAW). My 2 cents: RME and Apogee were on the same level sonically. However, the Apogee recordings had a ready to mix (musical) feeling to them. I was worried about the Quartet OLED giving out, that's why I sold it. The MOTU M4 is very nice to operate (e.g. stereo linking by long-pressing MON1 button) without an app. I find the beed for a powered hub annoying, the M6 or ULMK5 would cure that, though. Sound quality is ok, however DAC headphone monitoring AKG Q701 & old 240 DF) can sound a bit boxy. Was better on Apogee and RME. Looking for ideas: Really looking for a new interface. The Apogee Symphony Desktop is visually the sexiest interface I know. Would also consider UCX II, MOTU M6 or UltraLite, Sound devices MixPre6, ...?? Requirements (iOS, preferably no app for control necessary, 2-4 HQ mic pres, 2-4 Line in, HiZ, DSP optional). Any ideas/suggestions?

[@bigxrecords7375]

Firefox sounded the best I heard a huge difference

[@newrockorder]

It’s not a rant, it’s criticism.