[RO!] This hill is so steep we can only pull 1 car at a time! RAILROADS ONLINE!

[@JohnTK]

You know you’re in for a treat when smells like Kenosha immediately starts up again for a second time after it finishes playing once.

[@willpelkey1510]

Nice👌

[@polarvortex6496]

The yard limit sign on the helper station: “This train stops in an emergency. Crying is not an emergency.”

[@fireutility21]

“Yard Limit….but I’m just a sign not a cop”

[@jacebeleren9290]

Truly the best part of the RO soundtrack no longer having Smells Like Kenosha in it is knowing exactly when you two are gonna bin it by the virtue of SLK playing

[@legdig]

Speaking of steep grades, here in the UK the great western mainline was so level and they did EVERYTHING to avoid every single grade on the route and make it as flat as possible, including building massive viaducts and blasting huge tunnels through mountains that its colloquially referred to as "brunel's billiard table"

[@Dan_Gyros]

Brunel was a god amongst men

[@matthewcox7985]

@@Dan_Gyros Small wonder his middle name was "Kingdom"!

[@robertbalazslorincz8218]

@@matthewcox7985 ah yes, Isambard Kingdom Brunel

[@SuperAWaC]

When you have a name like "Isambard" you know you're probably gonna do big things.

[@tomstech4390]

Except for the run from Exeter St Davids to Exeter St Thomas. Averages 1 in 37 over 1/2 a mile around a ~110degree curve (search for videos if you haven't seen it). The lickey is 1 in 37.7 but its relatively straight.

[@blze0018]

That jazz drummer comparison is so spot on, I was not expecting it to sound that close to what I imagined.

[@archidonwarrior]

1:04:45 the noises you make are just delightful. Like a pet bird whose perch is slowly slipping from under them, yet doesn't do anything until the point of no return, and then just squawks with indignation as they fall to the ground.

[@konradking1668]

Oddly specific

[@blue-raptor4017]

@@konradking1668 oddly specific sure, but it’s incredibly accurate

[@HoofmanJones030397]

You gave Montezooma an emotional support Porter while it gets PTSD from this single freight run.

[@blendpinexus1416]

very much emotional support as the porter basically pulled the whole train up.

[@christiangunther7128]

This might be my favourite episode of the series so far. Love the built-in clips! Speaking of tires coming off of trains, iirc a tire coming off cause Germany's worst train accident in history, derailing an InterCity Express which then collided with and got burried under a concrete bridge in 1998

[@Der_Yoloist]

That was such a lovely episode xD I tried to sleep in that with the thought:"Oh nice, Hyce and kAN made a 1,5h video about RO and bringing cars back and forth"... little did I know about the multiple jumpscares which made me wide awake :DDDD Then I just watched it and got some laugh out of it. You 2 are great :D

[@highball5550]

I’ll tell you what, the company name really stands up to itself. I almost crapped myself on multiple occasions from the moment you guys were trying to re-rail the Zooma’s tender while simultaneously trying to kick the flat into the unloading dock to getting back down the mountain without brakes.

[@traindude70]

I was on that dinner train, I'm still amazed the 168 made it back down the hill that night as far as it did & that they repaired the eccentric strap the next day. I'll miss Frankie's beef stroganoff 😢

[@onnelli]

Thanks for providing the clip of the lantern signal on the C&TSRR! Glad I didn't have to look for it, and it was just as funny as you described

[@JonatanGronoset]

This episode shall be known as "Railroads! Online - The 'Smells Like Kenosha-ing'". Your guitars wouldn't survive playing that riff this many times.😂

[@CobetcknnKolowski]

Many pee cups had to be filled this day lol. Thanks for putting in the video of the shaking lantern! Also *High five* Kan, I too struggled so much with my electrical classes!

[@matthewcox7985]

The "Piston" Cup? 😁🤣🤣

[@J.T.Engineering]

kAN's comment about grade in relation to aircraft approach angles is interesting. Most commercial aircraft are certified for 2.75-3.5% for precision instrument approaches. I used to fly commercial aircraft in and out of Aspen CO and those approach paths can be around 5-6% and that's STEEP so I can't imagine 10% on a railroad being anything other than ludicrous lol.

[@eshock9208]

Can't wait for the next episode. I would've happily watched another hour of y'all derailing on that epic climb

[@themidnightbanshee5927]

If they had a boss they'd be fired multiple times already

[@matthewcox7985]

@@themidnightbanshee5927 They won the Piston Cup? 😁 "He did WHAT in his cup!?" 🤣

[@MegaLokopo]

@@themidnightbanshee5927 They would be dead multiple times already.

[@caseihmagnum279]

"You know your doing it right when the sound of 6 chym grade crossing is being drown out by the sound of your exhaust"

[@TrainsAreReallyCool]

That's exactly what I was thinking. It would be like Narrow Gauge 2102.

[@double4790]

I'm just going to say it, steam locomotives are secretly music instruments

[@CoryAY82383]

They have a heart

[@themidnightbanshee5927]

Well Tchaikovsky used cannons as instruments and someone definitely used steam locos as instruments

[@Shadowtiger2564]

​@themidnightbanshee5927 they did that once at the Kyoto railway museum

[@CarlMarx]

Flåmsbanen (The Flåm Line) has a 5.5% ruling grade (with 5.56% steepest grade) on standard gauge (1 435 mm/4ft 8 1/2in) is one of those ridiculous Norwegian mountain/fjord lines. It's beautiful an absolute recommend if you're interested.

[@Elliottblancher]

That's not the steepest, Saluda Grade is the steepest

[@CarlMarx]

@@Elliottblancher The steepest grade on the Flåm Line is 5.56% .Ruling grade is basically the same as the mean value.

[@nickm9123]

As a sparky. I can appreciate being called a wizard.

[@ottosfamily4604]

I get called a wizard as an electrical and mechanical drafter.

[@Flashiny]

Certainly fulfills the Uinta Vibe. The 2-6-6-2t will look lovely slogging it up 6.5.

[@kevino6618]

The iron mine line is definitely the CR&P way of doing it

[@apollosaturn5]

18:55 Holly Molly! The coal in #20's firebox is having a rock concert at full blast. 🔥🎸🎉🍺😈

[@ryanmourant8814]

I love that you include little clips of things as you're talking about them. That audio clip was a treat👌 glad this game is back on the channel. Last year when you were playing, I used these vids to fall asleep and now I can sleep well again

[@jacobqyv]

Massive recommendation As a helper consist get a pair of heislers, they pull like bulls and have absolutely helped me get shit to the iron line before, Run them back-to-back and have the ultimate helper engines

[@blacksmeim8791]

And they have beautiful chimes, so thats a bonus

[@TrainsAreReallyCool]

Also, put a water tank at the Iron Mine for both sets of engines. The D&RGW put a water station at the summit of the grade at Cumbres, so I think it makes sense to put a water tank up there.

[@Gokuover9001]

Hyce giggling in the clip is great. Great video, I really enjoy the stories.

[@harrisongrant8558]

Another point to mention about brakes (especially tread brakes, as they are still very common on most American trains and on some European trains), is that when the brake shoes get too hot, especially under heavy braking, they experience something called "brake fade". Basically the brakes get so hot that they're no longer effective at actually slowing down the train, and as a result the braking power is greatly diminished. This is a massive problem because it usually happens going downhill or under heavy load, when the brakes are working their hardest, and when you REALLY need to stop. This is also part of the reason why a lot of modern European and Asian (and some American) EMU/DMU trains and some locomotives have disc brakes like automobiles as opposed to the old-fashioned tread brakes, because disc brakes generally perform better under heavy braking and are less susceptible to brake fade.

[@gingie5246]

From my experience the 0-6-0 has a lot of power overall but has the brake power of Betsy.

[@leo20cool]

I love hearing this engineering banter, especially having similar experiences while going through my ME degree. yes indeed electrical engineers are magicians.

[@michaelhostetter5856]

Mamá mía thatsa lot of Spagett track Side note, the grade up to the iron mine is giving off some similar vibes of a section in Pennsylvania on what was the Wellsville, Addison and Galeton Railroad.

[@Switchblade-sh3kx]

I've really been enjoying this series. Alots of laughs and learning more railroad facts, almost like "I Love toy Trains" but online.

[@kraftyfox.2658]

I absolutely love this series! Thank yall for coming back to it, and it's great seeing y'all have so much fun! Keep up the great work!~

[@juice3167]

On the job application for the CRAP it should state that you need to drink x amount of water per shift due to the sheer amount of *cup* that needs to be filled

[@NoBoost1]

This would make me go insane 🥴. Yall are for sure gonna need the class 125 or the Uintah articulated whenever we actually get them in game.

[@CoryAY82383]

Let's hope it's soon

[@DocHoliday16]

I was having a bit of a shite day and saw this video was released so I wrote my butt off so I could go home and watch this vid. It was frakkin' hilarious. Definitely improved my day a bit. Thanks as always for great content duders and I look forward to the next one!!!

[@ooopretty7596]

Kan, on Baldwin building the modded articulated: "Pennsylvania is flat" THE ALLEGHENY MOUNTAINS DISAGREE. Legit though if you guys haven't seen that video of the train crews in Pennsylvania making fun of the dispatcher in Georgia for not understanding just how steep their territory is, you got to go check that out.

[@shaqtus3365]

Not even started watching this video and I can tell just by the title and the thumbnail that this is going to be full of peak narrow gauge railroading

[@Spook_Boi]

and this is where the Uintah Boi shall go. the class 70 can do 3 cars of beams and 3 cars of lumber, 6 cars total, up a ~4% consistantly. i took the right hand route coming off of the sawmill valley, its a 4 ish percent for a good portion and i made it like 100-200 feet from the iron mine till she stalled with 8 cars

[@guardiansofdisciples2918]

It's amazing how much just .5% of grade changes things. My route to the iron mine is constant 3.5% with short sections of 4% and I can just make it up with the Glenbrook and 6 cars.

[@Spook_Boi]

@@guardiansofdisciples2918 yup. that is indeed math working

[@kawaiikindcake1023]

Saluda grade was the southern railroad. I think Later on in the 80s you could see a few N&W units on there after N&W merged with southern to create Norfolk southern

[@Meakovic]

If y'all are using them just for helpers up a steep grade the climax is definitely the best pick. Without a doubt they have the best heavy grade pulling power.

[@TheOneTrueDragonKing]

"Great locomotive chase - Hyce and kAn edition"! And even better, every time you end up binning it you can yell your railroad acronym - "CRAP!" This was a beautiful video with lots of laughs from me. Can't wait for next time!

[@Tristan_S346]

I absolutely love the Kenosha Round 2 fade XD

[@Hyce777]

My favorite moment in the edit. "What if we just ran Kenosha into Kenosha? Yes. I like this."

[@erumaaro6060]

Betsy should be able to pull a car of lumber up a 6% grade, but 6.5 is a bit too much. A Shay could do it though. And the Class-48 could pull 2 lumber and 2 beam cars at 6.5%.

[@darth_dartrixon1477]

I love you 0-6-0 that’s been added, it’s my go to train!! Especially given I’ve got 9 cars (4 full plank loads, 5 Lumber loads + a caboose) pull all of it up my 2ish% run all the way to the iron mine. I can’t wait till more trains get added, especially all the cool weird ones like the articulated trains, super excited. Also also thanks to you and Kan doing another play through you guys re inspired me to get back on and have some shenanigans

[@michaelramsey82]

The anticipation of hearing Smells Like Kenosha start playing and waiting for the crash just adds a whole new level of comedy to these videos.

[@foreveruknown4899]

Absolutely love seeing the trains get pushed to their fullest like this

[@TarisSinclair]

Around 50:00 that's basically how Jake brakes work on modern trucks, using the pistons to counter motion. Kinda funny to see how far into the past some of the principles go.

[@tramlink8544]

6.5% is a lot! here in Switzerland even the modern equipment in narrowgauge lines in the alps struggles with more than 5-6 cars

[@kittty2005]

Kan said "I will back my hole into your bar" LOL. Must be an NB . LOLOL

[@thewarderman1840]

"I will back my hole into your bar" Kan 2022

[@whitewolf8051]

I feel like having locos to pull the train halfway, letting the helpers take it up to the mine, and then letting the other locos go get more for the helpers would be intresting. Then let the helpers take the loaded cars to the line and the normal locos down.

[@roastedelmerfudjoe3646]

I was decorating my Christmas tree today and I found an ornament of the RGS No.20 that I got from the Denver railroad Museum years ago when I was a small boi. I always loved that ornament, and now that I watch this channel I love it even more.

[@yearlygymnast9865]

*stake flat loads in while hyce is rolling down the hill* *Kenosha starts playing* Hyce: why do I hear boss music

[@burdizdawurd1516Official]

Oh and if you want the BEST narrow gauge mountain experience: Mount Washington Cog Railway. It's 4' 8" so technically narrow by 1/2" so you could get away with running a standard wheelset if you wanted to in the gauge. Russian and Finnish trains have the same 4mm gap and used to interchange. But standard gauge equipment could not handle the grade. 37% on Jacob's ladder, averaging 25%, and using a Marsh rack system. From my understanding (and I last rode steam there when I was 3, so I'm impressed I remember this tidbit) the fireman shovels about a ton of coal on the three mile run up. It's about an hour of nearly-constant coal shoveling, opening the door every 20 seconds. The locomotives are actually articulated 0-2-2-0s, despite being tiny little workhorses that make a massive sound. Steam still runs 1 trip most mornings during operating season.

[@frayziedaisy]

damn 90% of the episodes i was straight up laughing! these story’s especially the articulated engine from morons castle are just hillarious! i love these story time episodes ❤️

[@blendpinexus1416]

on that lantern clip i can here when the second engine picks up it REALLY picks up the work with those chuffs being very much THERE. same with the chuff jump scare.

[@matthewcox7985]

"The best kind of railroader is a lazy railroader." - Hyce "I will always choose a lazy man to do a hard job because a lazy man will find an easy way to do it." - attributed to a number of people, including Bill Gates and Walter Chrysler Also you guys both ended up winning the "Piston Cup"! 🤣

[@drittgaming2350]

I'm so glad hyce finally told Kan how sand works!!!!...... Think he'll remember this time? 😆

[@gdrriley420]

I'm so use to the west coast where nearly every mainline has a 2-2.5% sections. FRA is working on ECP adapters so they can mix cars and locos who have it and don't have it. I suspect if we ever see freight go faster than 80mph the FRA will want it.

[@Astrolex12]

To answer Kan about airliners: Approaches to landing are all 3° (5.25%). I have seen a few steep approaches as much as 5.5° (9.6%) in mountainous or city terrain but those are pretty rare. 3° is the standard. Source: me! I have an airline transport pilot license

[@Astrolex12]

And to add to that, an airplane should be in a "dirty" configuration to follow approach paths. This means having the wheels and flaps extended to increase drag and control your speed. If you fly a 3° slope "clean" (wheels and flaps retracted) you'll find it very hard to control your speed to a reasonable approach speed and end up way too fast. It's therefore common practice to descend (fast) to an altitude below your glide slope (3° approach path), then level off the airplane to slow down to a reasonable speed where you can dirty the airplane (wheels and flaps have a max speed for extension) and then intercept the 3° glide slope from below

[@VestedUTuber]

So, a bit of advice... increase the grade in the leadup to the first bridge across the valley after the helper station, then you can decrease the grade of that bridge. Add a second loop so you can pull out of that helix higher up. At the "turnaround" point before the lookout bridge you can probably build another helix to reduce the grade there and then reduce the grade of the lookout bridge as well. Due to the extra helix loops you can probably get the average grade of the whole thing to about 4% - still pretty ridiculous but a lot more manageable with the equipment you have. Alternately, you can commit to buying a Shay and slowboating it the whole way up. As for Mallets pivoting like that, I have a G-scale model of SEG 104, one of the big Hanomag meter-gauge Mallets from the South German Railway, and while it doesn't really have that whole "I heard you're talkin' shit" look to it because it doesn't have the huge lamp base on the front truck, it still articulates pretty far on an LGB R1 (645mm radius, or about 14.5 scale meters in European Gm) curve.

[@SeanJAnimations]

Anytime I hear that guitar start to ramp up I brace for impact, XD

[@bat7142]

I have been loving this series! And can’t wait to see more. Only question, what do you think of the movie Polar Express?

[@IndustrialParrot2816]

I hate that movie it's the one kinda of cringe that I hate

[@Hyce777]

We watched it in the discord two nights ago. It was pain. Lol. I'm planning on doing a reaction video.

[@seymoarsalvage]

@@Hyce777 that would be awesome lol

[@Der_Yoloist]

@@Hyce777 So you never Tokyo drifted a train on a piece of Ice? XD

[@thatlittlefox.]

@@Der_Yoloist probably not.

[@kittty2005]

@ 1.5 playback speed the large engine's wheels are like 50 RPM and the helper's drivers are like 150 RPM soo I'm guessing even at normal playback betsy's side rods and valve gear should've been flung off by now. I had the misfortune to see a main connecting rod break off the rod joint and jamb itself through the boiler sheet of a tiny rideable steam loco, the engineer was EXTREMELY BLESSED that the steam evacuated away from his right leg. It scared hell out of him and he got all his engines inspected for mechanical defects.

[@jacebeleren9290]

Oh, Marky boy, the cups, the cups are calling!

[@KreativeKng]

As an engineer who runs a wood burning steam loco. It melts like butter. And we pull 4 cars with it, and boy does it burn fast

[@ZergSmasher]

Going down that crazy bridge is less like a train and more like a roller coaster

[@1TruNub]

I swear to God if Khan says Shunt one more time Excellent video though I love all your content

[@Two_Bears]

Geared locomotives in the West could and did do grades this steep as a way of life. Some grades brought in another consideration you have not mentioned, the crown sheet factor. Trains would made up to keep the locomotives pointed uphill to keep water on the crown sheet. Also, and on the safe side, the loco would be on the uphill side of the train to keep the drawbars tensioned. If you get a runaway, the crew was safer that way. Of course, I can’t see you could uncouple a tensioned drawbar!! 😮

[@The_Canadian_Railfan]

That is an insane grade And I thought 2% was excessive for my iron mine route Anyways, great video as always

[@TrainSimUSA]

3% here and it goes up pretty much the same here. Though they want some stronger engines such as the glenbrook.

[@chickenboymiller3928]

Hyce and Kan are just playing Camas Prairie Railroad simulator at this point.

[@Rekuzan]

RTD's lightrail here in Denver is a perfect example of what you were talking about in that they had to build the new lines within the limitations of the current infrastructure.

[@wolfpack6350]

This sounds like a whole lot of fun with all the chaos happening lol, I bet the engines will remember this day as the day of reckoning for them. Plus I did find the google docs Railroads Online manager and it's up-to-date with the new locomotives. But if you want to just blind shot it, by all mean go ahead, more entertainment lol.

[@matthewwilson5019]

can you explain more and how to find this site

[@awildjared1396]

14:55, D&RGW 340 skips a chuff as well, but she's only pulling about 3 passenger cars, a gondola, a stock car, and a converted RGS bobber (i think) with almost flat grades, so you have to listen actively for it or watch the exhaust, it took me until January of 2022 to notice

[@Zilla32]

“HAMMOND!”:Jeramy Clarkson. Literally EVERY Grand tour adventure to ever exist. 😂

[@Dan_Gyros]

That alignment requires a fair amount of faff and I love it! Lovin the series! Can't wait for the next vid!

[@gwpcs]

I found the derailing downhill was caused by change in gradient, especially if that change is on a curve. Took me days to figure it out, I could run down full reg with just the loco but as soon as I had carriages behind they would derail every time. Another great episode. Loving your content!

[@Hyce777]

weird, thanks for the tip!

[@diegosena891]

Thanks for making me feel a little better Kan and Hyce. I'm one of the wizards. I'm studying Electrical Engineering and Computer Engineering. I love me a unit circle and the letter i.

[@lordsherifftakari4127]

once you build to the Coal Mine, continue building from the coal mine down the larger valley back to the Smelter with a shallower grade to handle loaded trains of Iron & coal. if you need to pull a bigger train, build some switchbacks at 4% as an alternate route to the Iron mine.

[@aj50person82]

"Here on the Central Rio & Pacific, we bridge, bridge, and bridge."

[@jetownsend1]

I'm stuck at 1:09:06 with my head under the desk laughing my ass off after you just yeet yourself at the Montezuma going full tilt down the hill. I haven't laughed that hard in a minute.

[@frayziedaisy]

40:40 thanks man for these celsius calculations! i am bad with imperial had to google otherwise :)

[@Waty8413]

57:35 Pennsylvania is flat! Lol. Bless your heart.

[@nicholmansgarage3501]

Hyce, you said in one of the 3/4 idiots videos that the RGS was "nothing but bullshit and malarky" I named my RO company the Bullshit and Malarky railroad after that, but after seeing this alignment, I think you guys deserve the name more lmao (I do absolutely love this it's awesome)

[@lonestarlocomotive7467]

I now want a picture of a train coupling up to be the logo for Dunkin’ Donuts. Dunk!

[@seymoarsalvage]

Love me some double ender...er... Double header action!

[@MegaLokopo]

Make a giant loop up one side and down the other, and use the weight of the betsy's to pull the wood up.

[@carebloodlaevathein6732]

1:32:00 Man's kick-flipping a God-Damn Zooma before literally rail-grinding it. Look out, Tony Hawk. There's a new pro skater in town~

[@thestainmorephoenix8632]

Well.....there was one railway in the UK that had the stone age policy of small engines. The Midland Railway in the UK was the only railway that used small engines (with two exceptions being the SDJR 7F 2-8-0s and Big Bertha) and the policy stayed that way until the LMS came about in the 1923. Once that happened, the smaller engines were relegated to the lighter trains and lighter branch lines on what was the original Midland Railway route (one exception was the Somerset and Dorset Joint Railway, which had to have two engines on the trains, as the grades went as steep as 1-in-50 *don't know what that is in percentage* and when the Standard 5s and Standard 9F's came along, they could do the run with one engine, but that wouldn't last too long).

[@Hyce777]

1 in 50 is 2%. You divide the 1 by the 50. This 6.5% line is basically 1 in 15.

[@thestainmorephoenix8632]

@@Hyce777 Thanks. That helps.

[@lordvader1672]

1:09:28 a challenger approaches

[@leto1596]

That single car is so threatening, it needs Dark Souls boss music more than it needs Kenosha 😂

[@lordvader1672]

@@leto1596 that would of been hilarious

[@JAK359PB]

Best episode yet! At the helper station is it possible to make a passing lane or lanes to where a normal train could drop off a full load of goods and the helpers then take over it going to the mine while there is a full iron train waiting to roll and you swap the cars back later? Also what would happen if you used a porter to just kick the iron cars down the hill with the hand brakes set?

[@TransTaey]

Lots of _Kenosha._

[@osageorangegaming5128]

The best way to describe this episode: "The Betsy Beat-up" and "The cups are calling and I must pee!"

[@justaguycalledjosh]

There aren't that many steep gradients on the uk network, but there were a few infamous inclines that required helpers. One example being the Midland Railway Lickey Incline and it's famous helper engine "Big Emma" Having long since moved on the buffer and chain coupling by that point though, the bankers usually buffer-pushed from behind to easily seperate at the crest of the incline. Of course that was only 2.65% so i wish you luck with your insane ideas.

[@WindersRanger]

Wish this was available on mac, id love to run trains with y’all

[@christianthompson1869]

it would be so funny if you could cook ribs like you did on the real life trains

[@nittygrittygarage5497]

1:32:08 “like a record baby, right round, right round”

[@RC-bm9so]

Alternative name for the CR&P using the "Authentic Narrow Gauge Experience" moniker: Albuquerque, Navajo, and Golden-East Station. Also, loving the series.

[@aj_gaming136]

POV walk into the boss's office after doing a day of switching in the asks well how many cups do you need today.🤣

[@rottenroads1982]

With a steep Grade, You NEED a geared Locomotive. You need a Shay, or Heisler, or Climax.

[@blacksmeim8791]

The Shay rn has a pityful amount of power. It has as much power as a Glenbrook. So Climax or Heistler are recommended rn

[@rottenroads1982]

@@blacksmeim8791, maybe, the Developers of Railroads Online should fix the Shay.

[@kittty2005]

An Alleghany would be good, the fire box is so big after it cools a bit you can play a round of half court basketball , but putting in and taking down the basket might get old tennis would be nice.