COMPETITION IS GOOD! Rob reacts to "Why Diablo 4 Players Hate Last Epoch"

[@Rob2628]

Watch live at www.twitch.tv/rob2628 There are definitely a lot of things Diablo 4 can do better! But for us as gamers, it's a win/win so we can choose which games to play. In that case, competition is good for us. Will you play Last Epoch when it's releases? Let me know in the comments! Original Video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/a3qpimadl9GNaJo Timestamps 00:00 React 15:56 My thoughts about more ARPG's

[@FartSmucker]

stop pretending PoE doesn't exist and do the right thing and play it like literally every other d4 content creator realizing whats what.

[@dwightschrute5592]

I loved Diablo since 96 but D4 Season 3 was enough for me. I don’t hate the game, just won’t play it anymore.

[@Freedom-kl8rt]

d4 clown

[@Frostylaroo]

Hey Rob Thanks so much for watching my video!!!! 100% agree there are people in different corners and good if there are multiple games that are great, but Diablos corner was crafted by a master craftsman while the others look like it was done by a middle schooler in woodshop on their first day.

[@Rob2628]

I agree on so many points! Diablo has many flaws & I hope the fresh competition in the ARPG market will lead to better product all around for us ARPG enjoyers!

[@FartSmucker]

Holy good god fucking delusion at its finest. D4 looks good, thats the only thing it has going for it meanwhile poe 2 already smoked it in that department and all others and its not even out yet.

[@jkwest9661]

Thank you the author !!! Funny video with a ton of sarcasm! 😂 we are totally agree with you!

[@bobbobb5759]

The overruse of sarcasm....the trolling away on a game to try get ur channel somewhere. just lol

[@MistrHGaming]

get out of here diablo fanboy@@bobbobb5759

[@Pdox3]

Except D4 isnt a part of the competition. D4 is crippled torso looking the fight and hoping "maybe one day..."

[@69MadnezZ]

🤣🤣

[@Neero_90]

fighting itself xdd

[@Numen1337]

Rob at this point I start to believe you are a d4 employee

[@joshwent]

That's not completely wrong. A lot of these content creators' behavior makes more sense one you realize that playing these games is their job. I don't support everything the bank I work for does, but that's how I get paid so I enjoy working there FWIW. Rob makes a living playing D4, so he just makes the best out of it like someone working at a crappy job. Would I love every D4 content creator to blast ActiBlizKing and demand they make a better game? Of Course. But at this point I understand why they don't. (I just also make sure to ignore their opinions.) 😁

[@DanielgunKim]

Rob showed a lot of respect for LE, and confessed D4 has much room for improvements. He mentioned the end game like the Arena in LE or set items SHOULD be in D4. I thought Rob was fair in his assessment.

[@StrawMan3]

@@DanielgunKim Rob has been trashing LE on his stream almost every time it's been brought up until recently. Don't lie for streamers lol.

[@doomzx8284]

@@DanielgunKim "confessed D4 has much room for improvements." rofl....every game can have that argument...He is legit out of touch if he thinks D4 is not a GIGA TRASH game with barely any hope at this point because it has useless and clueless developers behind it...the are not capable of fixing anything at this point, it's been 6 months or so, get over it.

[@samsquatch7285]

I bought LE in 2019 and played off and on since. They have really made some vast improvements to the game over time. Looking forward to playing when 1.0 drops. The skill tree is actually not that complicated and I'm an old fart (been gaming since 1995). Also, I can just follow build guides if I want to. I stupidly bought D4 since I basically got my start with Diablo and have enjoyed playing all of them. I gave up on D4 after season 2 though.

[@yoda-y2374]

The Skill trees doesent Look complicated at all. Its Just very Clean with different choices for each skill

[@bub5842]

Easy to learn, and so much depth. Also, the fact that legendary and Uniques can pretty much be used with most classes so you can create something completely different.

[@AsmodeusExx]

Skill tree is easy not overwhelming loke poe... 😊

[@CCSplinters]

People always confused complexity and those that have depth. The tree doesn't require you to solve a lot of issues. The tree gives you the solution and let players do that on their own.

[@AsmodeusExx]

People doesnt wanna play and learn 2 things...they want only copy and paste builds and clicking mouse or pad...this means " play" for them

[@joshwent]

"... it's good if there are multiple games that are great..." Which is exactly why so many of us are down on D4. I would LOVE for a world where we can bounce around in three different amazing ARPGs, each pushing the others to be better. But as it is now we have two games that are innovating on the genre, and one game from a developer which has many times over the resources of the other two that apparently can't figure out how a leaderboard works.

[@ThePaull3d]

yeah i was thinking the same thing, maybe there are multiple games that are great but d4 aint one of them lol

[@Zinzano]

"For the average gamer with all these wives, all these kids and all these jobs, it can be very overwhelming". Never change Rob ;)

[@qwicxs]

It’s good only when the companies want to compete.

[@FartSmucker]

Yea and blizzard knows its nothing but a failure so all it does is market hard, suck people in, then they have little to no repeat customers. They know they can't win so they sell snake oil and dont try

[@TheSakufighter]

Diablo can’t even compete with its past games. D2R is unfortunately peak Diablo.

[@elliotromero4411]

So Epoch does not need to load everyone's stash tabs? Crazy!

[@strychen]

It may as well though. LE has to load between every single zone. It's not annoying enough to make me quit playing, but having to load every time we leave town or enter a doorway is something that should be non existent in 2024.

[@motherpigeon1582]

Yeah you also can enjoy multiplatyer mode crashes every 5 mins xD

[@jt_on_youtube]

Blizzard claiming that is the reason is complete BS. Literally EVERY game ever out there has solved a character stash issue. So out of the blue one just..popped up like some player stash anomoly?

[@CCSplinters]

sady - it only load yours and a hundred of your stashes without lagging. so absurdly stupid idea.

[@bofoot99]

theres nothing to do in D4 literaly nothing all those uber uniques are useless

[@LuckZanella]

You mean you dont like to kill the same boss over and over, with absolutely no change? Weird...

[@michaellancaster7092]

Rob out here trying to make the argument that poe and last epoch too complex, stop trying to defend d4 rob, im a very casual gamer with a family and prefer poe and last epoch in every way.

[@bobbobb5759]

Then why not just play them? the amount of people that need to advertise their gaming choice is so weird these days.

[@michaellancaster7092]

@bobbobb5759 I am..... the amount of people who think they need to have an opinion is crazy

[@doomzx8284]

@@bobbobb5759 Karen...shut the fk up lol, so cringe...this is LE vs D4 VIDEO, Rob is reacting to LE video and he also talks about both games, so me or michaell or whoever can say whatever they want. He also commented about what Rob said, so he didn't just start talking about it out of the blue...you are so....unbelievable.

[@Spinevane27]

I got LE back in 2020 because Wolcen disappointed me waiting for D4. I've been playing hard since last week. It brought a tear to my eye, literally. D4 is such a chore. And growing up with Diablo 2... We got something really great here, it rewards you the more you play, the glyphs.. item crafting... skill system.... I've not had more enjoyment with a game since Ratchet and Clank or Yakuza Like a Dragon or Borderlands 2. IM HAVING FUN PLAYING A GAME FOR THE FIRST TIME IN YEARS!

[@buddybarlow9604]

Folks don't realize how bad D4 really is until you play Last Epoch. I think LE's skilltree is perfect where you're not treated like a idiot and you also don't need 15 guides up to understand it

[@Neero_90]

even as a 10year 15k hours poe person i think LE build making is way more fun, i love the amount of ways u can alter your skills ( way better system than adding skillgems like in poe imo) but ofc poe is way better in most other parts

[@buddybarlow9604]

It's insanely fun and plenty of depth@@Neero_90

[@Shipdacheese]

In LE, some blue items can be really good and at least be salvaged for shards. The chance to craft an amazing item from a blue is low but it can happen.

[@gampie13]

it's also preferable if you are making a legendary with 1 LP

[@CCSplinters]

The arena idea you like in last epoch is what I want in D4 in a stronghold. It's a stronghold so you have to defend always when a stronghold is under a helltide event.

[@kossua6554]

art team always carry blizzard products

[@Rob2628]

Man those cinematics 🔥

[@illuminatannunak]

i believe those are the only people at blizzard who are somewhat still willing to work

[@TheGhostLad1]

God I wish LE was on console.

[@cardboardhousehobbo]

Blizzard learned nothing from previous diablos. Its like a downgrade in every aspect when they released d4. Very sad for lifetime fans of arpgs and Diablo.

[@OCrAcIK]

Competition is good, but theres no competition 🤗🤗🤗

[@FartSmucker]

Correct, d4 never and wont ever stand a chance. PoE could sit still for yeras and still smoke d4 from all corners.

[@motherpigeon1582]

@@FartSmucker Good one xD Last epoch fails in every aspect xD

[@DanielgunKim]

@@FartSmuckerI’m not exactly a huge D4 fan (though I liked D2R more), I couldn’t get into POE. It was boring for me. I thought BG3 was far superior and more fun. But again, that’s just my opinion.

[@MrDailyvid]

@@DanielgunKim PoE is boring but you play D2R xdd

[@buddyogun2247]

​@@motherpigeon1582 clown 😂

[@Tobez]

Just found out the Gauntlet date got pushed back AGAIN. Immediately thought of you Rob lol. One day, we will get to experience the gauntlet. ONE DAY

[@Rob2628]

Haha man sooooonTM 😂 it’s funny but it’s also so sad

[@fr1man]

Info about "coming soon" in Gauntlet was already in the early morning hours UTC +1 @@Rob2628

[@anamereuta9367]

It's crazy that in LE you are able to control your minions :0 incredible!! XD

[@anamereuta9367]

As a necromancer ofc*

[@ThemLoLShortClips]

Witchcraft! (literally)

[@jehdi6974]

The fact that d4 had the nerve to gives us a useless robot before fixing necro minions and druid pets is straight up disrespectful.

[@AsmodeusExx]

Omg also druids ( beastmaster) has pets...unbelieveble 😂

[@richardkim3652]

Diablo 4 will be a real game in Season 25

[@olliebeast1012]

I really liked D2 sets. They were easier and cheaper than the unique or rune word counterparts but still decent enough to use as you play through the game. Gave the normies an easy goal to hit in the mid game or early late game.

[@KLGChaos]

The problem with D4 skill trees is that they moved all the meaningful choices to aspects and gameplay changes to aspects, which are limited by slots and rng drops at times.

[@antonquirgst2812]

yeah i wouldnt fully agree that D4 skill choices arent complex i a way if you consider aspects as well!

[@Mulukkis]

Last epoch is not complex. It creates a lot of depth and variation from really simple ideas. I have around 300 hours in and I'm loving it.

[@MrHellweasel]

I kinda hate how we underestimate players these days. Like they are some halfwits who cannot put 2 and 2 together. There is no need for that. BG3 was fairly complex and it was a great success. LE is no more complex than that. Players used to be able to think and learn. Yes, even those with less time to spend on games due to work/family.

[@typoko]

What Diablo 4 needs from PoE2 and LE is that they'll get modern games to copy features from. Good old Blizzard style.

[@Neero_90]

but when they copy things it takes them so long to release it and its always a worse version

[@typoko]

@@Neero_90 I guess they first need to copy the good old Blizzard part and then start snatching things from others.

[@Matt88g]

This video sold me on last epoch

[@Psykrom]

Hope you enjoy, I certainly do.

[@kayzinoLee]

In D4, it is not crafting. It's gambling.

[@sabinewren6441]

Well I’m a console player so LE didn’t include us gamers. Their revenue loss

[@gantech7788]

The fact that D4 never had the amount of stones to carry back equal the size of the party shows how unthinking and out of touch they are.

[@marsovac]

White items could be a base for crafting if D4 had real crafting on such items (add up to two three wanted stats (of course with consumables required), and finalize with a random but more powerful one (higher range), no occultist rerolls). Blue items should roll higher affixes and be upgradeable to rare with a consumable, which would add two other random stats with normal ranges, occultist stat rerollable only for the added ones and with much higher cost. A consumable to reroll a random stat or to remove a random stat or to add a random stat. Also these consumables should be account bound to avoid PoE unhealthy gameloops where you go to buy or trade orbs to a Botter and spend tons of time repeating the same thing. In D4 this should be more accessible and less random, possibly also target farmable, but not on a single place with a lengthy precondition like Duriel. And of course we should have a loot filter to hide both of them if we dont care about crafting, which currently does not exist anyway :)

[@hplitzko8477]

Why do so many streamer do like and praise last epoch? Because they got shares and get paid to push the game.

[@xGR1MxREAPERx]

Honestly Rob the graphics is closer then you think nowadays. With the graphics upgrade coming on launch on 2/21 also I bet it will be a wash.

[@69MadnezZ]

Diablo 4 can't compete with games like that Last Epoch or PoE. Diablo 4 has no depth of content, terrible boring itemization, brainless crafting, joke skill trees, no endgame, no fun game loop, stupid paragon design, all the same layout copy-paste nightmare dungeons, etc. The only good thing about Diablo 4 is the graphic visuals, that's all.

[@EnemaSport]

D4 isn't a game, it's a player retention farm.

[@shea7323]

Yes they have a deluxe and ultimate edition...and even the ultimate edition isn't more expensive than D4's base edition. Lol

[@sssonho]

"its good if theres multiple games that are great . guys " d4 is not one of them KEKW . " complexity is bad , d4 is for dumb people " KEKW

[@RolmanCH]

Bro forgot to mention that LE does NOT have Helltides, and for that, i will hate this game

[@raizovile]

LE is not mid and end game is by far the most boring part of it.

[@Neero_90]

endgame is what LE lacks, ofc u can have 300 or more hours of fun in it now, but endgame becomes a bit samey with samey goals, but its better than d4 by miles with endgame

[@oniadrian]

For the graphics part, 1.0 will have major improvements. Maybe not Diablo IV level but big enough improvements where it won’t be such a big gap anymore

[@MrFrmartin]

we dont hate LE. its good to have competition, so maybe blizzard can learn from its competitors

[@marcuslt976]

things should change ion Diablo 4 1/ "Damage to distant Enemies" etc.... REMOVE, just keep "Damage to Enemies" 2/ All + Skill Rank should be remove from Equipment 3/ resistances, Fire Resistance etc.... REMOVE from Equipment(Helm, Chest Glove, Pants, Boots), just put in "Resist to ALL Element", Amulet & ring is a good Example 4/ Damage reduction to close, distance, poison etc..... REMOVE, just keep "Damage Reduction" is enough 5/ "specific skill" cooldown reduction etc... REMOVE, "Skill cooldown reduction" is enough 6/ due to so freaking many stat listed in the Equipment, re-role equipment should set minimal of 2 stat re-role for each equipment not 1

[@chrislao180]

Rob is the embodiment of copium when it comes to diablo. It will never become anything else than it is right now a giga timewaste for anyone who spends more than 2 hours a week on it. But idk if he enjoys doing the same boring shit everytime guess congrats?

[@SuperArty02]

i already played LE even when D3 seazons was boring, i have in LE about 200h and i will definetly play it on realese. And i will play D4 in next seazon, is even possible to like both games?:D..

[@AsmodeusExx]

Nope😂

[@doomzx8284]

Even if POE and LE got removed entirely from the universe I'd play Grim Dawn....D4 is just awful trash cashgrab game with useless developers behind it, unfortunately.

[@Neero_90]

thats what every ARPG wants, all games to feel different and be good, soon i wont even have time to play MMOrpgs because there will be Poe, Poe 2, LE, maybe d4 if they improve it

[@semanphora]

It's ridiculous, do they want to flop the game? Do they promise something to change the quality of life and deliver that? Rob, what is the chance of Duriel dropping now, has it increased? Does level 40 to 75 really have a better chance?

[@dIggl3r]

Came for the laughs, stayed for the hair!! 😃

[@TrollTunga761]

The thing is, there is no competition. If there was a competition, D4 would not be in that competition, it's not in the same league, it belongs in the trash can

[@Wissle]

That video was hilarious Very lustige reaction too!

[@marsovac]

PoE does not have a skill tree. It has a perk tree. Class fantasy is not defined by skills, since you can wear skills in your gear. This is why you see crap like berserkers proccing spell effects and similar immersion breaking stupid stuff. A class in PoE is just a starting point in the perk tree and the choice of ascendancy that will complement the skills that you will wear. It isn't what you would call a "character class", because a class usually ties into the gameplay and fantasy. For example you dont expect a barbarian to cast blizzards and throw fireballs, but to use a melee weapon and slice monsters to pieces. This is not how it works in PoE. In Last Epoch at least you don't wear skills but have a real skill tree.

[@gaborsuda4164]

500+ hour last epoch. the endgame is less then d4. But the loot filter and gear ''crafting'' is genius.

[@sonalita_]

how can it be less than nothing? D4 has ZERO endgame.

[@MrHellweasel]

What endgame is there in D4 that is more than what LE has?

[@gaborsuda4164]

Monolith=nm dungeon.

[@MrHellweasel]

@@gaborsuda4164 But monoliths have two versions = normal and legendary, and you can scale them up with corruption, you can target farm, you can reset if you wish or keep going as difficult as you want. Each of the monoliths have unique bosses that drop boss specific loot, too. On top of that, you have soulfire bastion, lightless arbor, and temporal sanctum. Three completely unique dungeons. D4 has helltides, which nobody gives a shit about and is sick of. The only reason people run them is to get boss mats for....yet another duriel rotation. Yeha you are correct, D4 has much better endgame.

[@sonalita_]

@@gaborsuda4164You cannot target farm loot in an NMD and NMDs cap at 100. Monoliths scale as far as you can push yourself and beyond

[@DanielgunKim]

I’m still waiting for the Paladin class to come out on D4. Would be cool to have auras and hammers 🔨

[@AsmodeusExx]

Yeah...auras for buffin more barbs and sorcs...so cool...😂😂😂 please bro😅

[@Yoeri_86]

D4 must be the most expensive dead game out there, kept alive by fanboys.

[@XcalWhite]

I want new games , new stuff . But all that on Diablo . For focking sake I love diablo , i want to play diablo . When to stop ? Blizzard When you gonna make rage and leave like my ex did ? 😂

[@nutrino75]

Its good that multiple games are great, d4 isnt one of them.....

[@chrislucket]

Got last epoch and havent touched diablo. I just like robs content.. i see him making a void knight. I play on mac through ge force now

[@ParaFoxxen]

Just saddens me that the gaming community has not grown up since the console wars. Why do people need to tell someone what to play and what to hate. Last I checked, none were giving out paychecks to everyone doing that… it’s 2024 and there’s plenty of games to choose between. Start think for yourself.

[@LaloLampara123]

Crafting: "to be fair, their working on it." Rob, your videos are the best, but just take the L on this.

[@HeyHappy-xu4oo]

I bet the gauntlet will come out with the 1st expansion.

[@AsmodeusExx]

Of course bro.

[@ANK-57]

This vid is awesome! Step it up blizz!

[@asvet8050]

Why Last Epoch players hate D4, because the realisation of how sh## D4 is and how blizzard actually goes against the players, anyway, back to grinding for ubers again at level 100 with the game completed.

[@slimi_jimi]

Average gamer dad here with 12 kids and 7 jobs... too few options is cookie cutter. Even D3 had 5 different options for a skill.

[@jarnold420ja]

I just want Last epoch to be available on console

[@dustinsmith7919]

LE is cool, but it is not better than D4. Something’s are better in LE but something’s are better in D4. I find killing a much more satisfying experience in D4.

[@andrewskidmore9955]

I hate Last Epoch because it's not on console.As soon as it comes to console I won't hate it anymore😂

[@WRXYDaddy]

I play both, Diablo is simpler and much more enjoyable for me. Work smarter not harder 😂

[@leivendil8824]

Diablo 4 is on console and has crossplay. So basically for us console players it's the best arpg alive

[@Neero_90]

i'm sure a lot of players prefer poe on console over d4, but ye idk how they play it on console without a laptop on their side to check info on the 1000 websites u need to have bookmarked 😂 can you use a browser on consoles while in a game?

[@leivendil8824]

@@Neero_90 you can but it's inconvenient, unless you have a mouse and keyboard connected. I tried poe, it's fine, but not even close to pc experience. It's way more inconvenient to play such game on console. So d4 is currently the best. Even though I agree that it needs a few more seasons to become decent.

[@riphawk67]

I would like to play both but D4 is not worth a minute of my time.

[@Andy_Paris]

I stopped playing Diablo type games like PoE because those games are designed to be played forever. I don't want that. I want meaningful progression that has an end, to the endgame. D4 does that, and is perfect for my busy life. I'm not a kid anymore, I don't have the luxury of playing for 12 hours a day. In D4, I already have my Pyro build 90% finished in one week, thanks to Rob's video too! I've always wanted a Meteor shower build, and so I came back for Season 3, all I need is one Uber unique and boom, build is done. The gameplay is fun, there's no pay-to-win or pay for power type stuff, and the combat/mechanics are just enough to keep you engaged, without being overly complicated. D4 doesn't get boring for me either because I only get to play a few hours a day, yet I always feel like I'm making progress. I do hope D4 adds more systems and customization, and continues to improve, but for now, D4 gives me what I'm looking for in an aRPG.

[@dustinjowen4427]

same bro not a kid anymore, can only play 2-3 hours per day and the gameplay's and vibe really keep me coming back for this game. LE looks like a mobile game and some skills animation is way too old. POE just too much not gonna touch that complicated game, hell my life is already complicated lol.

[@gnomekingclive]

Last epoch is getting a graphics upgrade in 1.0

[@MrDailyvid]

Yeah, fuck D4. Gonna come back with season 6-10. Maybe the game got some content then.

[@tristanmyers4959]

Last Epoch graphics is being upgraded for launch

[@YaBoiZed]

Wouldnt even call it competition. D4 its so basic and barebones compared to Last Epoch and POE. Its embarrassing thats these smaller studios are putting quality stuff out from day 1 and "gaming giant" Blizzard barely puts any effort. When this one releases i doubt ill touch D4 again.

[@robertorossi4361]

No, he meant 4dmg, if you watched the screen u would see it.

[@zondaensensyvarealelumina9472]

Last Epoch🤧 Diablo 4 💎💎❤❤❤

[@AdamNashk]

Very good video love the humor

[@stephendalton2024]

You all seem to be running out of content 😂😂

[@AsmodeusExx]

D4 are running out...what you have to show new?! Nothing...

[@ericsavala4686]

I have not enough time on my hands to play LE....Diablo 4....you go left....or you go right lol and that's actually all I need. Can they add a bit more squares to the skill tree sure. But LE is 100% too much for a guy like me who games maybe 10-15hrs in 7 days max

[@KrigHammar]

LE is not complex at all, everything is well explained, but you will feel so rewarded to make your build and see actually work. But at least there are different ways to play and your hand are not holded on. In D4 you can only play stormclaw druid if you find the staff. In LE you do whatever you want and you can improve yourself with the gear you find and craft. Give it a try, not gonna be disappointed

[@MrHellweasel]

Why would it be too complex in your opinion?

[@mellowcorpsep6665]

please dont bimbofy yourself. you can do it!

[@geralt_2077]

Loot filter already there with game release? what? are they idiots? no way man, players really want to spend hundreds of hours for manual filtering

[@SnipehOne]

It's good when there are multiple games that are great (c) - Yeah, alright, but how come D4 stands in this equasion? It's a pile of garbage that probably doesn't even count as a real videogame

[@jermainetilmon7793]

Im playing them all, very good games out now. well some better than others

[@Morden97]

This video has really done the rounds lol

[@Adem.940]

why the steam page says the game was released in 2019?

[@sonalita_]

Because it's been in early access since then. Like everything else, they got delayed a lot by the pandemic.

[@dustinjowen4427]

@@sonalita_ i think they also wait to learn about the fall of D4 so they could improve their product better.

[@Neero_90]

LE has been in open development and out to play for many years, a lot of us have played it for years, but now it had its official release aka coming out of beta

[@firsto]

I DON'T HAVE A PH.D. TO PLAY THESE GAMES.

[@HerrmDogg]

I get that you’re a D4 content creator and rely on that garbage game for an income but you defending that game and counter-arguing points made in Frosty’s video is just laughable.

[@advertizer2010]

nah i think its better without sets being relevant like diablo 2. because it would make less flexibility with gear and can try more things out together

[@gonsfx1792]

D4 is just a sad joke

[@JK-fb4nl]

I will play poe,D4,last epoch in rotation. Why not?

[@Nicks-AI]

Funny he only shows Druid Level 1 with the industrial cheese 😂

[@taoday118]

Druid hitting 16 dmg was a meme at launch. It was su h a joke and is definitely appropriate for this video since it is sarcastic

[@francescopace7079]

Grim dawn has arenas too. So what. LE combat is a joke. Geim dawn combat is better than LE. D4 COMBAT is still superior

[@Maxter1o2]

Yet last epoch the beginning is such a chore i mean honestly and boring I level all available classes during beta. Just dislike the first 15 levels so much lol

[@ShadowSong88]

Rob, Lilith's wings above your head look like horns. This means that Dia4 The end has come 😂😂😂😂

[@kazi6343]

"Average gamer with all these wives, all these kids and all these jobs". Is the average player a sheikh from Saudi Arabia?

[@kostistsiutras4373]

Meanwhile im gettin excited for tonights d4 update anc converting me extra 10 selig amulets to 2 shakos so all my 8 characters wear a shako 😂

[@AsmodeusExx]

Rip.

[@tomekhome]

I respect a lot of the systems and crafting in LE, but I have to agree with Rob. Diablo is just superior in terms of gameplay, art and feel, just more tactile with more fun combat. I had some fun with LE, but it became a chore at high levels. That whole monolith system isn't really that much different from running a bunch of Nightmare dungeons or vaults.

[@Andy_Paris]

Good point, LE endgame is very grindy, D4 doesn't feel that way for me.

[@Andy_Paris]

@@bmc8982 I used to believe the same as you, but that's not how I do it anymore. There is no "kill x number of boss in a row" type of activity unless you choose to do so. I rotate all endgame activities, a little bit of everything, definitely not "3 hours" at a time, maybe 15 mins, to 30 mins at a time, then do a different event/activity. Otherwise, it gets super boring if you keep doing the same thing over and over. The point of the grind is to get your build completed the way you want. Ubers are not needed for most builds, they are there to complement your playstyle, or to augment your build, but not a necessity. By time you are able to farm for Ubers, you have a good build. Ubers are just the extra incentive to keep playing, having something extra to look forward to that could be very helpful for the build you want. All progression games suffer the same fate as each other for the endgame, which is: _"What am I grinding for? What's the point in becoming so powerful?"_ For me, it's to have a complete build, and have them "retire" until there's new content to explore and experience. In Outriders for example, my build is complete and very powerful, and once I a while, I'll revisit that game and play for 15 mins and it's very fun for that moment, not 3 hours. I don't think that's healthy anyway, just play for fun, not a chore!😊

[@tomekhome]

@@bmc8982 man, I have 2 maxed out Season 3 chars, with all possible ubers, so I've done everything. Meanwhile at 65hours in LE, I'm barely level 90 and far from optimal gear. Running corrupted monoliths, is getting very monotonous, even compared to Duriel farm, at least there was some variety. Monolith maps seem more boring to me. Mobs are easier and more boring than d4 with optimal build, LE bosses are way better though.

[@taoday118]

​@Andy_Paris thumbs up for mention of Outriders. Great fun game, but don't know why it didn't have the attention it deserved

[@codythomssen9337]

Wait you have to grind endgame in an ARPG. Lol I can't wait for people to complain about LE a week after release. Both games have pros and cons. Just play both

[@M0ToR]

unfortunately Last Epoch is no competition to Diablo, no character customization, poor graphics, bad voice acting, boring story, more skill nodes and loot filters - that's all it has

[@kennethcarpenterii7636]

Stop defending d4

[@joshuahensley9395]

D4 is an mmolight wearing the skin of an arpg like a serial killer. There is no competition because your shitty game isn't even in the same genre.

[@subzero308]

I play D4 daily and i have played POE and i like D4 better for the simple fact that POE is just too much for no reason i don't like games that r looters that try and take them selves to serious. I felt like i needed to be a rocket scientist to make a build in POE nothing in that game is straight forward don't get me wrong its a good game but if ur not following a build step by step then forget it and that's horrible for new players. I havent played last Epoch yet but i heard it was good and does alot of great things that have been a problem in both Diablo and POE.. But regardless i wouldn't say i hate any video game really just some aren't my taste. But ARPGs r amazing i hope POE 2 is alittle more new player friendly or atleast doesn't have a over complicated skill tree. Cause i do like POE they just need to tone it down a bit and make it more simple just a little atleast.