The Radical Change in Dog Training, ECollar Laws & Bans - Episode 115 with Michael & Bart Bellon

[@winterrevan4071]

We control and correct our dogs because we love them! We want them to live a safe, healthy, happy and fulfilling life💯

[@jowankailicbrouillette5346]

I like how he says, too many people love their dogs to where they humanize them, I see it all the time where I work. I'm more like this guy, I love what he's saying!

[@LawnOrnament]

My in laws do it horribly to the point where it’s a disservice to the dog. I feel so bad for him. He has no guidance, no structure, and they truly believe that is what’s best for him. They don’t even see that the insane barking at the door, the fearfulness about thunderstorms and new people is BECAUSE of their lack of structure and boundaries for him. He is just allowed to make every high arousal/stress poor decision that he wants and it just builds and builds. He is the most stressed out dog i have ever met. And on top of it all he is an understimulated labradoodle. He’s practically bursting at the seams with anxiety and aggression. It’s so hard to see but they don’t listen to the advice my husband and I provide:((

[@jennifereason1884]

Painful to read the story here but thank you for sharing it because it illustrates perfectly how the absence of rules and structure leads to MORE anxiety, not less. The same is true for children, I think that's one reason responsible dog ownership helps children grow up to be solid, capable parents who know how to care for children well.

[@MT-if1jr]

Exactly!! Dogs are not human.

[@asrotties]

I would argue that people like him, love his dogs far more than those who refuse to train the dogs they have, saying they don't want to hurt the dog. In the long run, they hurt their dogs much, much more by not offering them a rich life, that training and socializing offer to a dog.

[@t0l4nd]

@@LawnOrnament all that plus a dog with horrible mixed genetics

[@caninetherapyinc9031]

“Freedom has a price and that price is control!”

[@kulan9379]

Excellent quote 🤘

[@shell88ish]

Good ruff. It's so refreshing to listen to people talking common sense about dog training.

[@jw-vx8im]

Should get Gypsy Stratten on the show

[@littleninjai222]

Exceptional. Nothing better than listening to the GREATs having a conversation about dogs. Thank you so much for this, Robert.

[@yannickdorr1905]

I am from Germany and I love the IGP dog sports and all other like French ring and everything other. In Germany we got a lot of stupid people, who cannot handle normal Dogs. They don’t unterstand, what we do. In my free time I consume every video of Bart and you. I learned a lot and I am thankful. The view on animals I learned from my grandpa and I will never forget that, to handle animals as animals not as humans. Thank you for the conversation, I hope we can bring the real dog sports back together.

[@dog2484]

Dann weißt du ja auch, dass die ganze Tierquäler Scheisse die von den Scharlatanen hier betrauert wird, gottseidank verboten ist. Wenn du Tacker und Stachelhalsband brauchst um einen Willtoplease Fiffi in den Gehorsam zu bekommen, bist du am Teddybären goldrichtig.

[@jonathanmoerman3568]

What do you think about e collar and prong collar ban in Germany?

[@joaomarques8260]

Get Ivan and Bart on the same podcast. I’ll pay for it!

[@MrZema16]

És de onde João?

[@MooseFreeman]

There's a difference between loving something for attachment and loving to understand it. Seek first to understand then be understood.

[@jacklynmorrison4812]

People aren't only breeding softer dogs but weak nerved insecure dogs. Proper corrections from a prong collar with fear based reactivity and aggression when in public gave my GSD rescue confidence in me and herself. We can now walk with a martingale only, with zero reactivity, no pulling, no BS. She's a great dog now, but it took tools. Positive only would of been a death sentence for my girl, period.

[@LawnOrnament]

Yes people see a nervous dog and refuse to give any corrections or structure bc they think they cant handle it but its what they NEED!

[@janiearmstrong6981]

Can you give me some resources on how you did that? I have a six month GSD and am having problems with leash training. She’s great with everything else. I’ve tried so many things and have bought so many kinds of leashes its ridiculous.

[@asrotties]

And many of those skittish, insecure dogs are quietly being put to sleep instead of breeding quality dogs with good temperaments and humanely training them, so they can have a great life.

[@primalcritters]

​@@janiearmstrong6981herm springer 2.25 in prong collar. Get several extra links to ensure it will. Make sure you put it on correctly. It should fit around her neck just under her ear set. It should not hang low or be loose. Then when you're walking her and she misbehaves or does not listen you do a quick snap on the leash. It distributes even pressure along the prong collar and it's much safer because it will not choke out her trachea. If that is not enough purchase an e-collar martingale systems is fantastic but learn how to use. You have to watch videos you have to teach her the correct behavior to do. When she misbehaves then you press the stim on the at the lowest level possible but one that she will respond to. When she responds with the correct behavior then you release the button so that she associates the stimulation with a bad behavior or unwanted behavior, and the release of the stimulation with a good behavior

[@josevelasco3245]

Just had an argument with a dog trainer here on YT. She claims punishment is never needed and is old thinking. These people are crazy and only deal with soft mild mannered animals with issues that can be fixed in 10 minutes. She has no videos of difficult high drive dogs…just videos of her stuffing their face with treats and says voila! I have tried it for a couple of years. It has such a low ceiling and doesn’t fix real issues. Balanced with the right tools is the way to go. Thx.

[@sannehansen4156]

This is one of the most interesting conversations I've heard in a long time - thank you for taking the time. Here in Denmark, there are 13 banned dog breeds. E-Collars are banned and pinch collars are only allowed to be 3mm. I have just read a brand new study from the Royal Veterinary College in London where they conclude that Cocker Spaniels are more aggressive than Rottweilers. They have studied more than 10,000 Cocker Spaniels

[@primalcritters]

I can tell you firsthand I had an American cocker. Very aggressive dog. Great with me but completely imbalanced and unpredictable

[@philodendron3736]

how many of those dogs get to do what they are bred to do. i notice when i do not have my cocker working maybe i got busy for that month, she gets frustrated, as soon as I do work with her, all her bad behaviors go away. they were not genetically designed to be aggressive, and im sure when there is lack of work any dog can get aggressive(lashing out from frustration)

[@PetPrepRadioShow]

Incredible interview! Thank you! Just watching it over and over! Love to you Robert and Guests! Keep fighting the good fight! It is frightening to see what is happening globally. Especially in Germany. Makes me sad. My heritage is German. I stand with you!

[@LazyGigolo]

What exactly is happening in Germany ? Best

[@nostringsattached93]

2:58 Already loving this! People always think I’m crazy when I say there is a massive difference between a “dog lover” and a “dog person”. This is gonna be good…

[@parisdevine8553]

I love my e collars used correctly it gives the dog and yourself freedom and safety ,now I only have to do vibrations when I correct.🇦🇺🐾🐾🐾

[@rico4you]

Watched this twice on replay...so much here. Like said yes we have to reach REAL Dog trainers use all 4 quadrants of training what is best for each Dog! This video should be a must watch for all those that care about their Dogs and training them. Thank you Robert ...and Michael and Bart Bellon. 👋👋👋

[@Musiclover-uo2oi]

I trained both my standard poodles, starting at their age of 6 months, with a prong collar (here in Canada). Both were extremely well behaved, happy, sociable, and well adjusted for all of their 14.5 years of life. They loved when I put the collar on because it meant training and fun. Both were trained to stop, on the spot, when given the command. One day, I opened my front door and across the street my boy Caesar saw his best dog friend and bolted down the stairs. I yelled stop and he froze halfway down the stairs. At the same time a car was passing by. I don’t think giving him a cookie at the time would have saved his life, because his desire to play with his doggy friend was stronger than any treat I could have offered him. If used properly and ethically, all training tools should be used appropriately for the dog’s personality as well as the circumstances. It is my responsibility as their Mom to keep them safe and well balanced. Great discussion btw, thanks so much.

[@dog2484]

If you need abusive tools to train your Poodles :back to basics.

[@canineconnoisseur]

Grateful to all three of you for taking the time to put out quality content such as this!

[@FrankRollberg]

Another excellent interview Robert. Michael and Bart are some of the best trainers in the world. Much respect for them and you. God bless

[@buckeyebunnyhunter]

Been running e collars on hunting beagles for years. Used right it’s a great tool. I have a 20 month old Doberman with super high prey drive. I adopted him at 10 months because of the drive. I used the e collar responsibly and he still has drive but it’s under control and his recall is excellent. Great video!!

[@petproducts3449]

Hi, does people like the e collars than general collars?😊

[@audracapriola9243]

Thank you for this intelligent conversation . I am a full proponent of e collar use. I am also a full proponent of intelligent dog ownership. My newly turned one year old Dutch shepherd has had an E collar on him since about 4/5 months of age. I don’t think he felt a correction until about 6/ 7 months of age which was very ‘gently’ introduced. This tool will be integral to his continued training for real world situations. . He has never been given a treat to perform, only my approval , and then later a ball. He is a working dog, and he is treated as such. You will never see a happier, more loving, more willing to please dog than my Fury. He is sound hearted and able to navigate any environment without aggression. Please keep up your fight and your educational efforts! Thank you!

[@stacyrich113]

The point is you don’t need to shock your dog ever to correct it! There are other ways. These things want to be outlawed everywhere!

[@Toni_Snark]

⁠​⁠@@stacyrich113Whose point? Yours? It sounds like you don’t know anything about E collars and how they’re properly used.

[@ianmcdonald3053]

@@stacyrich113ur very naive!

[@SFK9kano]

Great conversation, honest and integral. Thank you ❤

[@RobertCabralDogs]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@Muszambadi]

One of the most needed conversation about dog training. Love this stuff! Keep up educating the public! Waiting for the next one! 😎

[@wallsofgab]

Learning how many Swedes pretty much hide in the woods to train their dogs how they want is... disheartening... ever since I moved here a month ago. I've pretty much taken to doing that, too. I get it, there are terrible dogs just about everywhere, but dogs in Sweden are /out of control/ and it's only a matter of time before we just lose the privilege of having dogs entirely. Can't even say we can have dogs if we wrap them in bubble wrap - I can't even put a door on my damn crate!

[@dont.mind.me27]

That is unbelievable. I can’t even imagine banning crate doors, like wth? I’m all for letting dogs roam freely and be able to go where they please, but some things are an over reach. I don’t even know how you would raise a puppy without a crate. People humanize dogs way too much.

[@HeadstrongGirl]

Unreal. Canada is probably heading that way too.

[@JanineMKartist]

@@HeadstrongGirlhopefully not. Though back in 2017 the Toronto city government initially passed a law banning prong collars and slip leads. They got such push back from many and even from the CKC that they repealed the law 2 weeks later.

[@12342087]

I find these conversations so interesting. The e collar has always been a subject of controversy. I have one for my shepherd. Saved many a kitty!

[@annabell3385]

I lived in an apartment under people with a large dog that barked constantly. An e-collar stopped that. If they had not had the e-collar the dog would have ended up at the shelter. They had to eventually get their own house, anyway, which is the optimal solution for people with large dogs, imo. The dog was territorial which is unacceptable in a shared living space.

[@ewa30101]

Why in the fisrt place they took a big dog which was/is territorial? Absolute irresponsibility. Great that this story has a good ending...

[@dog2484]

Obviously you understand nothing about dogs. Please never own a dog in your life 😊

[@inthebay]

As usual another great podcast!…love them!…keep up the great work..👍

[@Madeleine-z9x]

Very refreshing exchange! Very interesting, thank you all!!!

[@kitkatkrissy]

I believe E-collar training, when done responsibly, can be a life saver. I have trained one of my dogs, a well trained dog, who chased deer over a busy roadway because he wouldn't listen to my recall command when he was in chase mode. The e-collar training stopped this behavior quickly and I transitioned from electric pulse to vibrate and beeps and didn't have to use the electric pulse after that to get a recall from my dog immediately.

[@julianagoodwin1110]

I have been questioning why they never come for the invisible fence only the remote collar. Now I understand, thank you

[@NummerEins]

Outstanding convo ! Thanks for bringing back common sense.

[@RobertCabralDogs]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@ervingentry553]

Thank you Ms for covering your body we need more of that .

[@whiskybrush3219]

I've never been interested in this dog sport, but I've always thought there a specific utility to it, especially with certain temperaments who really needed to channel their more predatory and alert nature. This was an absolutely fascinating conversation. Thank you! ❤❤

[@craigellis8354]

Wow My 3rd time watching There was so much information packed in I had to listen to your guest’s more than once Just a simple thank you, Mr Cabral for providing much important info

[@RobertCabralDogs]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@dreddirt]

Looking forward to that application. Very very good podcast. The first I finished this year.

[@RobertCabralDogs]

Hope you enjoy it!

[@dreddirt]

@@RobertCabralDogs ohh yeah, I loved every second of the podcast. Should follow up on his school and maybe what's the future here in the Asian continent.

[@joda7771]

Thanks a million for this Robert! Watched it twice now and I will watch it again.

[@GeorgeJCLS]

Absolutely awesome chat, so fascinating! Thanks for much, would love to watch a follow up!

[@painted_in_thick]

I didn't think I'd listen the podcast all the way through, and my dog is an American Akita 🤣🤣🤣. Great conversation !!!

[@karaleeallen8523]

Did not ruffle one of my feathers . Lol enjoyed and agreed with all of this . And I work to teach ppl about how ecollar, pinch collar , balanced training is not cruel - when you know what you are doing . All this force free is creating a climate where you can’t take dogs anywhere for the ill behaviour of all other dogs. Dog bites are up, surrenders are up , and I see these mentally damaged dogs locked in houses everywhere… and ppl wondering why …

[@primalcritters]

Michael and Bart are phenomenal. First of all what a cute couple. Secondly, they are so well-spoken, so knowledgeable on the issue, and you can tell they're just very good righteous people. Love this love them

[@alexanca2814]

Nice interview Robert. Quality trainers, quality people! I am looking forward for the next Bellon interview.

[@littlewiener5580]

Thank you for a great episode!!!

[@lovejumanji5]

I loved hearing the story of Flip ❤️ I’ve learned so much from this , thank you !

[@ivanastojkovic3081]

Amazing conversation. 👏👏👏👏

[@MichaelMoscowitz]

I use dogtra and am very happy with it and the adjustment. My level is 2 and sometimes 3. Sometimes a nick and sometimes continuous. Today even the Monks of New Skette are advocates for the ecollar. I should tell you I compete my dogs in field trials but I enjoy listening to your topics.

[@TulinYoung]

I was waiting for full video, it's always good to listen to you all.

[@nickayivor8432]

Brilliant information video 👍

[@brockjones1364]

Enjoying this, I was preaching this so far to my trainers literally in the last couple days.

[@sandydimond3363]

Absolutely wonderful educational podcast

[@kulan9379]

Thanks for this. ❤️ Love it ❤️ keep up the good work ❤️

[@quinncolby]

Thanx for this podcast

[@benjaminAgagne]

I’ll be the first in line to get my e-collar certification.

[@caraputnam4154]

Great discussion. Thank you.

[@justchilling7594]

I used to live by a school yard and people turned it into a dogpark despite the no dog signs. The level of entitlement in these owners blows my mind.

[@fireballfitness170]

I enjoyed the whole conversation. 28:00 (to 35:00) 57:45... Award from the mayor 1:01:55…not aggression instead needed guidance 1:03:55... Pitbull 1:17:50... 1:31:25... the technology to see the abuse 1:33:30... Only insist on licensing if it's in all four quadrants...

[@ChelseaUSAfreeasabird]

Awesome video Robert. Thank you.

[@bjbumblebee5324]

abandoning dogs or any pet because people can't deal with behavior and time commitments is far more abusive and cruel than a properly used e collar. The bans of e collars in Germany or any other country because of ignorant politicians is phooey. Frankly lazy people who do not want to visually supervise their dog use e fences and e no bark, yet a supervised dog with a remote collar not legal. Just plain illogical and based on emotions and not science.

[@Kttrains]

I live in Maine and would be more than willing to join in your band of people who advocate for the future of dog training.

[@Kttrains]

I’m 23 and wiling to dedicate my entire life to advocate for dogs like mine who would still be a fearful mess if I followed the ff agenda.

[@lovejumanji5]

It’s exactly like when a child touches a hot stove , or puts the finger in a socket . It’s immediate , they know it’s danger. For the dogs it is danger , so they can live .

[@Terrierized]

Listened from start to finish 👍

[@babicfrank8353]

Thank you for the awareness’s 🤙

[@teddybear-cb3kc]

I love my Martin system still not sure if I prefer rising stim or just use flash.

[@CJ2023Incognito]

Okay, but can we talk about Michael’s hair 😍😍😍 Also Burt is a badass for the dog in the water situation. Lol @6:50

[@poppyflower7873]

What does her hair have anything to do with anything? I like her name.

[@CJ2023Incognito]

@@poppyflower7873 it’s just really pretty and I wanted to note it. Lol

[@CJ2023Incognito]

@@poppyflower7873 what does her name have to do with anything? 😆

[@Aprild174]

Ive used E collars and Gps collars on my hunting dogs for many years . Never go hunting without them. Great great tools. I can stop my dog from running something it shouldnt and getting out on a road. People that speak against E collars have no idea about the use of these collars.

[@robertlulek1634]

I agree. I have a DOGGO ARGENTINO it is about the only thing that can stop him a little bit. I will say if he gets fully enraged, that does not even stop him.

[@zaneeltoro6412]

Thank.God for.Robert Cabral! Hey public voice with a backbone, how rare.

[@Julie-we1xl]

Thanks for this interesting clip

[@TulinYoung]

There are a lot if people out there have dogs, who should ne er have dogs.

[@guiltybyassociation1764]

I have a DogTra ARc e-collar and its great but have to admit before getting used to how to get the right fit for my dog it was frustrating many of a time where ive gone to use it and there was no skin contact, i remember thinking i wish there was a way to know if there's good skin contact. Ive just looked at one of these Martins as the tech seems really good but they're a tad expensive. I think i'll defiantly get one but might have to save for a few months first lol

[@guiltybyassociation1764]

1:23:00 yea there might be plenty of dogs/business to go around but the positive only are not very good trainers and more often then not can not produce the results they claim their ideology can, thus they have to demonize and handicap balanced trainers to compete on a results based scale. They need to pull down the effectiveness of balanced trainers because balanced trainers are so much more effective. So they must ban certain tools like E-collars, because an e-collar can teach a dog perfect recall within 1-2 sessions where as there positive only methods may months to years in some dog and lets be honest in most dogs it never works. they want the new normal to be their much lower standard

[@TulinYoung]

I will never save a run away dog, because one of my neighbor's dog used to run away all the time, and has been in my house on my porch multiple times, last time he ran away, he almost killed my Yorkie.

[@dobe762]

agreed Robert, no licensing, it ties you to the rules they come up with, else you are breaking the law....

[@blbrightlights564]

Some dogs just don't like certain dogs and maybe fine with their reg friends but you never know.

[@asrotties]

Great interview. I love my dogs.... I LOVE my dogs and because I love my dogs, I want them to be a good healthy weight, I want them to have boundaries and limitations, training, socialization so that they can also have some freedom and a full life. Way too many people out there claiming to love their dogs so much they just cannot correct the bad behavior, their dogs live small, closed in lives. Boring lives on the couch or in their yard or at the very best...at the end of a leash with little to no freedom. I also love my E-collars AND SO DO MY DOGS! When my dogs see their e-collars come out they get very excited. To them, the collar means they are going hiking or to the beach....something fun and free, off leash. Tools are only as dangerous or cruel as the person on the other end of the leash. Personally, I think people who ban tools are cruel, because a lot of dogs suffer for it. I have Tri-Tronics collars and now... Dogtra One mistake people make is thinking it is electrocuting dogs. It isn't. An e-collar SHOULD be a simple extension of your hand. Anything can be abused, if the person is abusive. Not all tools are for all dogs. It is a matter of knowing your dog, knowing how to properly use a tool and to be fair on all things.

[@SLATER_M]

Just one correction: If you want to be a dog trainer in Germany you do not have to go to a trainer school by "Martin Rütter" there are many professional schools for dog trainers and you can choose free. Prices vary but usually you have to put a good amount of money on the table to take these courses (from 2.5k € to 25k € - it depends). The license than is usually granted to you by your local veterinary office, sometimes with an extra examination of your knowledge theoretically and practically. It depends on your local veterinary office because they all handle this differently.

[@Notso_Wild_Bill]

I recognize the Malinois wrist bandage. Ha! Very informative, thanks. Stay safe.Peace

[@miketymm6204]

It would be great to see a podcast between yourself and a positive, only dog trainer. It would never happen as they would have to accept that they are wrong. Maybe a podcast with Susan Garret, Canadian dog trainer.

[@cynthiagevaart5036]

She could teach them how to train a dog without aversions. She’s the best trainer on this planet. You just don’t understand dogs.

[@ItsMeShrimpy]

You guys really think they will ban prongs ecollars martingales etc in the U.S? This is nuts. Dope podcast learn a lot, thanks

[@teddybear-cb3kc]

Me and my daughter was chased from a psa club because she was 19 and they didn’t want young people in the club.

[@benjaminAgagne]

Vercingetorix. Like a true Celt. The breeders will always cover their trail.

[@MishyKessel]

Australian here: I personally never have used an e collar or prong on any dog I have owned, including my current one. I can't grasp how many in the USA use them. Is it people don't understand other techniques??. Or are they lazy?? Great chat by the way

[@TeenyTheOne]

I've never seen Robert so quiet, Bart stole the show.

[@ItsMeShrimpy]

I walk a high reactive dog about 65 lbs. reactive towards people cats dogs children etc… she’s loud charges towards them always in alert. I started using prong on her, saying loud no and popping her, finally I see a change. All I say is no and she stops. Still have a long way to go. Am I missing something?

[@phiilyphil8900]

Robert and his good friends know best! 😎 if everyone could listen to you it would be awesome all dogs 😎 would get on and be friends 👍👌😀

[@kaylalove7464]

It sounds crazy, but there seems to be hidden agendas everywhere you turn...

[@lukeryuzaki2328]

What did Mr. Bellon mean by the free application?

[@RobertCabralDogs]

check his website...

[@bmxriderforlife1234]

Pitbull history nerd here. Pitbulls were bred for more then just fighting dogs. Bears and bulls were the original targets in baiting type games as a farm test and hunting test in one. But they werent bred for needless aggression. Humans messed that up as well. Pitbulls should have intense people pleasing drive working drive decent prey drive and some guardian instincts. But primary drive should be peoppe pleasing. Dogs had ro be able ro be near dogs they were going to fight or had already faught and not be an issue till told to fight or placed in the ring. Same as bite work with dogs now adays and the old school style. Protection pitbulls were bred from the same lines and just had slightly more territorial natures and needed training. The hunting types more chase and catch drive. Fighting lines slightly higher aggression. You also have some breeders purposefully breeding badly aggressive animals as easier to train pitbulls or no training pitbulls for certain jobs.

[@francesnance9110]

Any recommendations for the best, most affordable e-collar for the basic owner/trainer? My boy needs help on recall.

[@joda7771]

I’m not a trainer but I prefer the Educator mini.

[@idahoviking]

It would be nice if ANY information of this type was provided in this podcast. Mostly it is just a lot of words and complaining, with a few interesting stories mixed in. It contains zero actionable information. If they want to save the e-collar, then educate to avoid misuse. This podcast was an enormous opportunity flushed down the drain. (Admittedly I didn't make it to the end because it was driving me insane.)

[@oldschooladkwhitetails215]

When your dog gets run over by a bus because you coukd call him back from a distance, don't post how upset you are because you didnt use a tool that woukd of prevented it!!!!!

[@SofiaViviEnDo]

I am in Argentina. These people are trying to forbid buying and selling dogs. Dog breeders are being persecuted more and more, (instead of legislating and regulating , and persecuting puppy Mills). Now e collar, slip and prong collar, considered legally as animal cruelty, as well as bark collars. Any bigger than a toy breed are also persecuted as a potentially dangerous dog,. They are also going after horses, as they are not supposed to work either, pull a cart or being ride. Most people repeat as parrots whatever the media say, while they do own a pure breed dog. It is insane. At some point, we have to be able to unite globally and make more noise than what they do. Otherwise we are going to see the extinction of any domesticated animal.

[@jonathanmoerman3568]

part 2 please !!!!!!!!!!!

[@MT-if1jr]

Off leash -owner MUST HAVE RECALL. I never take my dogs to dog parks. We train in a duck park. My dogs are trained not to mess with the ducks and the untrained dogs can’t come cause they’re ducks everywhere. I am so grateful to be able to have a place to train. Private wild life area, but every once in a while , a ding ding owner comes and they let their untrained dog off the leash and they NEVER can call their dog back, but we keep training and my Mal is so focused-they leave, but sometimes their dog gets in my dogs face or tries to take his tug. They are so lucky my dog is trained neutral -I let the owners have it. They usually leave then. Thank God!!

[@elizabethwalker2051]

They’re against e-collars yet they probably use devices for/on themselves all the time that do similar things. Of course the industry calls them “haptics”, instead of “shock”. I wonder how many of the naysayers to the e-collar use smart phones and smart watches without a second thought. Some people also equate this to Tens machines as well.

[@mikedevere]

Indulgence without limit isn't love. There must be limits

[@tessmonro7102]

Thank you for an informative discussion. I think E-collars should only be in the hands of professional trainers because they are to often misused by lazy and/or wilfully ignorant owners, monstering trainers do say most of the dog problems are really owner problems. The other reason is the it is entirely possible to train dogs to high performance standards without the use of punitive training tools. How do you think sheep and farm dogs were trained in the good old days, long before electric collars, etc? Yes some would have used harsh methods but many trained their dogs without these and with humane methods. I spent a fair bit of time on family farms when I was a child and can attest to this.

[@cbr600fu2]

You need to have Tony and Katie Nikl on this podcast

[@geirerikhviid3423]

In norway irs not allowed to do bite training unless you have licens and it's not allowed with e collar and prong collar.

[@Donutdove]

Can’t use crates either?

[@user-iw5zv3ue3w]

In Germany you don't need a license from Martin Rütter. You must receive the license from your local veterinary office

[@livingdeadgirl8074]

Some dogs need an e collar for training and some don't. I've experienced and owned both types of dogs.

[@xpudsygaminxdiverse1910]

Bart is such a G

[@Dggb2345]

When someone says, "My dog is friendly" my first thought is "until he's not."

[@civilguardk9llc551]

The potential removal of domestic dogs from society would not make it past the lawsuits from veterinarians, pharmaceutical companies, dog food manufacturers and veterinarian colleges. There would be to much capital loss. I'm referring to the US.

[@brockjones1364]

I explained to my trainers the Pac-Man game, if sometimes Pac-Man would win when the ghosts were not blue we would keep trying, to the dog it becomes a game that to us can seem cruel, for my purposes it is. If every time you try the game the ghosts go straight to you very fast, surround and kill you then F the game and you don't waste time playing. The game was a great model for examining the theories and ideals.

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Perhaps the game explanation might follow with the ideal called the Pact-Man game. Make a pact with the dog and do not break it, dogs are like that; look at their loyalty.

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That abandonment and neglect often occurs from apathy and improper discipline; conundrum.