Why THIS Lamborghini Huracan STO Can't Break the Nurburgring Record!

[@mgcharoudin]

SSC controversy: doing research about record runs in the USA from the Nürburgring. Lamborghini STnO: Doing research about the Nürburgring runs from the United States. It all adds up people!

[@MacheteK]

Good comment

[@sooofancier]

*STnO Is this some sort of new Lambhorgini model that you've created?

[@Leshic2]

Love it! STnO!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! Love your humor Misha!

[@alistairwillock7266]

Busted.

[@Siskovski]

Are you sayin' he's been the mastermind behind all these controversies?

[@Shmee150]

I have no doubt the STO is going to be an incredible car, and I'm very excited for the arrival of mine later this year. However, nothing is more important than honesty and transparency as we learned with the SSC Tuatara last year. Let's hope there's no intent to pull the wool over our eyes! EDIT: Removed "What a dumb controversy! ;)" because clearly too many people didn't understand that was a reference to the article written by Motor Trend last October, in reference to the video content made by Robert, Misha and myself when we suggested things weren't right with the SSC Tuatara 331mph record. This is not me defending or attacking Lamborghini either way, it was a joke, that too many people didn't understand. Sorry!

[@sooofancier]

HI SHMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE how did you came here rapidly?

[@MegaSturrup]

Thats key for sure

[@JerainJezza]

It's Lamborghini, they did it in the past and they will do it again... :D

[@AleksandrHalas]

Totally agree with Shmee

[@Shmee150]

@@JerainJezza Something tells me it might be worth a further look back at the Performante and SVJ laps with similar methods to that of the Tuatara... as Misha did at the time with the Perf. Who knows what we might find! ;)

[@tomstamp]

Sorry it’s a bit late, time stamps were mad in this one! ;)

[@sooofancier]

HeRe bEfOrE t0m thEn LoL

[@DahleJohannes]

Good work on the time stamps, Tom Stamp

[@betaich]

Tom Stamp doing the Time stamps there is a joke somewhere in there.

[@tomstamp]

And the TomNail, and the Tedit haha

[@gjermundhigraff7789]

@@betaich Time Stamps is the plural of Tom Stamp. Or something like that.

[@woutercornet5554]

"It is all legal and stock" What did Top Gear say again? "They are Italians, they just lie"

[@Talynen]

"Is it high or low? Low? Okay, our emissions is 1!"

[@monstermirror2]

Supervised by Germans but... *cough*

[@Benjiesperformance]

Lmfaoo...they not longer Italians! Their germans seeking for revenge against the Americans and associates 🥺🥺🥺🤣🤣🤣

[@bertuuuuuu]

we don’t lie, we scream bad words

[@vipecrx]

Road legal? Cool, now they'll all be registering their cars in Florida...

[@Frodokeuh]

Lamborghini: quick robert is on vacation lets do a cheating lap. Robert: well well well not so fast i have eyes on the ground and i brought my tier one gear with me. xD

[@TheBongReyes]

That was my first thought too. Haha

[@derekwhittle1885]

I'm glad you released this before Lamborghini claimed a record. You may have saved them a lot of embarrassment.

[@RobertMitchell]

Many asked why I posted it. I’d rather they know the world sees it before saying something that hurts themselves

[@seanreynolds3535]

@@RobertMitchell especially as they're no doubt going to benchmark it to our 620rs.

[@nicocrinkleburg]

@@RobertMitchell “we are announcing a ‘Nurburgring Pack’ as a new factory option. Comes with gurney flaps, aero air dams, lexan windows, trofeo underbody & suspension, and get this, here’s the real kicker, a roll of duct tape.” 🤣😂 Edit: 🦆 tape

[@RobertMitchell]

@@nicocrinkleburg exactly 🤣🤣🤣

[@jailbreak1227]

I don't even think they would have claimed a record. The car was perfectly modified to essentially replicate the new Super Trofeo race car, without looking like it on the outside. Why would Lamborghini, such a huge brand in the car world, throw away their entire reputation because of a simple lap record that can easily be debunked? It makes zero sense.

[@martinwgnr]

I'll leave the rumour here, that they wanted to give their drivers additional testing kilometres in advance of the 24h race. That's why the car was modified to be as close to a Trofeo as possible without being obviously visually a Trofeo. 😅

[@RobertMitchell]

🤣

[@uraniumcranium2613]

Do you know who the drivers are?

[@martinwgnr]

@@uraniumcranium2613 are you aware I didn't meant this serious? I don't know who the drivers were. That was just a joke

[@uraniumcranium2613]

All good man, you obviously weren't aware that i knew that you weren't being serious, I was just asking a question.

[@martinwgnr]

@@uraniumcranium2613 😄👍

[@heeryanus]

Earlier today, italians claimed that 'The gearbox was inspected thoroughly and proved all fine, Charles Leclerc will start from pole' and we all know how that went

[@eichler721]

Well the gearbox was fine. They just skipped the connection portion that drives the wheels.

[@iphoie]

You sir are no longer just Robert Mitchell. I shall refer to you from hence forth as Inspector Robert!!! 🔍 🕵️‍♂️

[@Cowabunga46]

Or Sherlock Mitchell ;-)

[@einautofan6685]

CSI Nordschleife!🤣

[@Vgk36]

Inspector chief to you buddy 😂

[@rhabeldibabeldi6812]

Everyone talking about some controvers, I´m just sitting there like "damn, that was a nice move!" ( 13:05 the guy on the left stacking the tires )

[@RobertMitchell]

Hehehhe

[@AJpro88]

all i took from this video is that a black and yellow STO looks so much better than the tacky blue and orange from the press release..

[@JR90.]

Their parent company "changed" vehicles emissions, so nothing would surprise me.

[@LifeofPalos]

Excellent work dude.

[@badboymorales]

Tier 1 media only here palos. Lol

[@btcars]

Can't wait to see the video

[@LifeofPalos]

@@badboymorales UGH SO TRUE.

[@tylerhartman3327]

we already know that this is gonna be covered in your video tonight, interested to see your take on this issue now that the video is out

[@jonasthemovie]

@@southbeach09 Weird introduction, but ok, it was nice to hear a little bit about you.

[@jerrycansmashit9965]

Tier 1 journalism from mr Mitchell let's see what this manufacturer does with this report...fantastic motoring content as always...

[@thibaultvanrennetvr]

has he also reported about the GT2RS record being a mockery ? they did exactly the same, modified the car and used race fuel. Sent the car with 8 technicians and gave the car more power, more camber and many more adjustments just to break lambo's record with the performante.

[@jerrycansmashit9965]

@@thibaultvanrennetvr you will find that the record of gt2rs was done way before lambo decided to put cars on track and for your information the car your talking about is the mantey racing gt2rs which is the modified record...

[@thibaultvanrennetvr]

@@jerrycansmashit9965 first the performante did its record lap, then porsche brought the GT2 RS, they upped the HP to 720 to beat it. they also used race fuel, camber tires etc, that are also non standard. I am not talking about Manthey.

[@vladbibea5676]

My respect for you cannot be measured. Please keep going Robert, the internet needs you!

[@mrmeowchow85]

Couldn't agree more, the internet most definitely does need him.

[@RobertMitchell]

Thank you guys ❤️🤣

[@warrenfletcher4240]

The sto isn't being sold yet I don't think, perhaps these differences are final production stuff or perhaps the one with the differences is a track only model?

[@lorenzorusso5375]

It’s been sold, some models have been spotted here in Italy

[@Shifty_Malone]

Still the best STO spec that I've seen so far. Even if it's not a real STO.

[@CCBGroupe]

Man, I wish u were involved with YT and the Nürburgring earlier, to help us see and understand some of the other cars when they were out, lapping the ring in pursuit of record times like gtr, 918, and some others

[@vipecrx]

Well, the gtr was debunked at the time.

[@pro12312]

The fact that Lamborghini is owned by Audi owned by vw gives me really some dieselgate vibes here XD

[@Yizify]

But then so is Porsche and they’re not cheating

[@vipecrx]

@@Yizify they're owned but still separate entities to a point. Donut media made a video on porsche recently, there's some history in there that will help understand the relationship vw-porsche

[@AB-80X]

Forget VAG. This is Wolfgang Dürheimer levels of sneaky-sneaky...

[@cyrusfarzin389]

This video might be the reason why we never saw any NRING times for the STO. Nice work, Robert!

[@RobertMitchell]

100% the reason

[@cyrusfarzin389]

@@RobertMitchell 😁

[@donburton5058]

"There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." Oscar Wilde. Is the market that competitive?

[@christiand910]

To think a certain journalist was blatantly accusing ferrari these kinds of notorious approach in producing numbers years ago. But now others are doing this as well just to produce certain numbers that a customer wouldn't even be able to produce in a single track day. Thank you Rob for doing this video it really enlightens everyone that manufacturers' lap times should be taken with a grain of salt as some manufacturers will go to lengths(modifications) just to say their car is the "fastest" around the ring.

[@msing400]

As an engineer we often test “production” model to identify possible improvements or a limited addition higher performance variant. I would give them the benefit of the doubt in this case simply because you don’t know the purpose of the session.

[@lukashoppmann7292]

But a Timing session (where the STnO was run) means spending much more money for being able to do the same things as in industry pool if you just want to test something. Since I don't belive a multi billion dollar company is likely to basically burn money for absolutely no reason - I'd suggest they used the Friday session for a lap record attempt.

[@cutdepiefails6596]

But again it was a time session, for records, you can test & try potential improvements on industry pool without any need to do a record lap, plus you don't even need the nurburgring to trial, nurburgring usually is for final version testing or suspension testing, but then again in the industry pool not in time record slots.

[@antares_racing]

Hats off to fact-based calling out of BS. Lamborghini’s made a mockery of lap videos before. If they can’t do an honest lap and again, there’s no point in heeding anything they publish. Good work. BRAVO Rob.

[@Stigs722]

This is a tier 1 analysis

[@randomperson1614]

Lamborghini loves special editions. This could be a new version where they remove more stuff like the motors for the window, race fuel etc and charge an extra 100,000 euros.

[@RobertMitchell]

It might be now🤣

[@carlosduarte_CD]

Lamborghini forgot that “The Internet” knows and sees everything!

[@RobertMitchell]

Internet got eyes into he back of its head

[@carlosduarte_CD]

@@RobertMitchell That’s probably a ST...Ohhhh shit, we are screwed!!

[@sylvandespres7654]

the inyternet especially the automotive crowd is sometimes full of it, creating storms in glasses of water so they can look as ',expert''', which they're not at all,at best well informed automobile fans.

[@RobertMitchell]

@@sylvandespres7654 deep

[@carlosduarte_CD]

@@sylvandespres7654 Storm in a glass of water? They will need a huge glass for this one...

[@OldManRoo]

I have no doubt about your observations, Robert. It's just up to Lamborghini to explain what they were doing.

[@JoeAchilles1]

Here we go 🙌

[@einautofan6685]

AMG One for the win! Nuff said!😉😎🤣

[@CP-vg4vy]

@@einautofan6685 The black series is enough imo😂 So sad to see Lambo do this, they should take notes from AMG record run.

[@einautofan6685]

@@CP-vg4vy IMO Lamborghini is trying to set a new record lap at the "wrong" time... I mean, AMG One is allready testing there too...😉 AMG One will easily outperform Huracan STO! But it looks like Lamborghini is trying to cheat again...🙄 Come on, is this necessary, Lamborghini? How naive are they? Robert Mitchell from Apex&CSI Nordschleife see's everything!😉🤣

[@CP-vg4vy]

@@einautofan6685 When do you think is the right time then? Aren’t they already doomed, we all know STO time isnt gonna get anywhere near AMG One and BS still have some seconds to make up for.

[@th3b0untyhunter]

@@einautofan6685 is the AMG One considered a production car though ? Limited to only 275 units Will be hand built on a one by one basis, not on a production line Etc etc

[@hmd6202]

How can you hate on what Robert is saying? This man is simply stating facts, that's it. Incredible research and very well articulated.

[@ericpisch2732]

I can’t wait to see how many different laps they edit together to make the perfect lap like last time

[@AB-80X]

I'm sure Misha will do his best to let us know lol.

[@bmahoney1568]

Remember the front splitter on the merc black series was also not street legal but was used for their record run.

[@AP13P]

Yet no mention from the german shills like Misha and Robert, just saying.

[@tommygearhart4651]

I have a 2011 997.2 C4S. I’ve locked the breaks on that car before. It has fully functional ABS, but there is a point when decelerating very quickly where even with abs the momentum of the car is still stronger than the ability of the abs to keep the wheels turning when I’m standing on the brake pedal. I love all your points, and maybe 10 year newer abs systems have improved even further, but I have experienced brake lock up on a passenger car with ABS.

[@MartlRS]

Had it too with ABS cars.

[@jjvega1998]

In my experience, braking cars with ABS results in quick cycling of the braking pressure as the system tries to find the optimal brake point, what I mean by this is the brakes lock up for a short period of time, then the pressure is reduced, then increased again until it locks up, resulting in rapid multiple lock ups, unlike the warm up video where the brakes are locked up consistently, I don't know if your experience was different but I believe that real ABS would have resulted in multiple puffs of smoke rather than a longer one.

[@tommygearhart4651]

@@jjvega1998 That makes sense, unless like me, the driver feels the lock up and lets off the pedal, and then presses down again. I'm just not good at trusting the system when I feel the lock.

[@slimjimkirky86]

Absolute mad lad. A 7+ year old chassis with an NA motor will usually limit tunability. Good on Lamborghini for making a great sports car, but there's no chance this chassis can continue to break records in stock trim. Great work, Robert.

[@simonjones7924]

I’m going with Lamborghini valuing the marketing hype of a Nurburgring lap record, and therefore doing some R&D into what it would take in terms of modifications and cost to produce an ultra limited run STO ‘evo’ to go after a record.

[@RobertMitchell]

It’s a stretch 🤣

[@alianjumdar]

Robert, I will speak for the true car guys here. You are a bright spot on social media. Honest and true. We have to hold car manufacturer's accountable. I have a friend that owns a 911.2 GT2RS, a 488 Pista coupe and a Lamborghini Performante. We took all three to a local track where the new Ford GT was tested over and over again. Calabogie Motorsports Park. We actually joked about how there is no way the PIsta or the Performante can even come close to touching at the GT2RS at the track. It is in a different league. Lamborghini records have always been a joke to our circle of friends. The Performate had a hard time keeping to my friends bone stock 991.1 GT3RS lol. We need to expose them!

[@scottmuir2385]

We have missed you Robert!

[@kaipmw4204]

I feel like Robert is the most honest, genuine and nicest guy on this platform

[@hamzasherazi9334]

Robert back again with another banger. You have done a great job identifying all of this possible "trickery". As a lambo fanboy I do hope that they have a logical explanation to counter all of these points. The STO does mean 'Super Trofeo Omologato'. Btw watching this late as a way of protesting for the lack of activity on the channel.

[@Paganizondaf650]

Good work pointing out all those details, but I don’t think they used a real super trofeo. That would be too bold and the work they would have to do to make it look/sound streetish would be off the charts: replace straight cut gearbox, replace race brakes with ceramics, replace the doors, make the interior look like the normal sto. Very likely suspension and underside areo mods but getting a glimpse of the inside of the doors and dashboard in the lexan-side-window-shot they didn’t seem to have gone full insane. Besides it is already a big step from just speeding up record lap footage to actually making a highly modified car do a record lap time

[@RobertMitchell]

I don’t necessarily think that they took a race car either. I’m just giving food for thought at that point

[@Dan_AYP]

I saw a laptop, a 102 octane fuel and alot more aero than the photographed car claimed to be the sto

[@Scuderia2000HD]

I think in some parts of Europe 102 octane fuel is sold at the pump, but not many. Here in the UK 99 is the highest I know of that is sold at the pump. But the other changes are certainly misleading if the car does end up taking the record!

[@Dan_AYP]

@@Scuderia2000HD yeah mate but if you make a production car that only runs 102 and only 1 pump in the UK offers ot (bp near silverstone) you're not providing a time the production car can do in normal circumstances rather. What it can do with a race team and bespoke fuel for the test... it makes the point(to be the quickest car you can buy) of the timed lap irrelevant

[@Scuderia2000HD]

@@Dan_AYP yes exactly, I wonder how many of the lap record cars have been running 102 octane fuel, my guess is quite a few if not all in recent years!

[@tommihommi1]

well in the US you can buy E85 at some gas stations

[@Dan_AYP]

@@Scuderia2000HD makes me sad... I kinda wish homologation specials were all that could race if its based on a road car... more things like the group b cars and things like the yaris gr would be alot more plentiful. Like if nascar was still a stock car race based on the production models, they'd be so much more advanced for performance cars and we'd have a huge split between economy cars and performance oriented cars

[@ronin2282]

As multi Lamborghini owner and being biased, I do agree with your observations. Many valid points. I do hope they will play fair. If the car does set record but fails to set similar great times at Laguna Seca or Big Willow, your thinking will proven to be correct.

[@rodneyyy95]

It's been a while, but it's good to see you back again Robert!

[@AB-80X]

Here's an interesting thing to add about timing for race fuel. No matter the fuel and octane, an engine has a point where timing will not add more power. If that timing can be reached with pump fuel, then race fuel will never do anything. However, if the engine runs on say 100 RON with 24 degrees of timing being on the limit of knock, and 32 degrees will make more power, then yes race fuel will work for more power. But if the engine makes the most power at 24 degrees then 32 will just hurt power. Timing is very dependent on the design of the combustion chamber, valve event timing, the piston, the quench etc. Some cars will benefit from more timing and some even with race fuel, but others will not. Just a bit of trivia:-)

[@jassi_ahluwalia]

Amazing to see you back Robert! We were missing you since a real long time. And you came back with a big BAANG! 🔥🔥

[@teabaggins3517]

The only youtube channel I watch these days. Great content and I like the calm vibe of your videos with no bullshit.

[@jackmandallwilson]

Probably because the Perf lap was so obviously a mess; best parts of the lap stitched together, and sped up in places, etc. They have to go flat out this time to make it look like the STO is worth it.

[@reno9k]

no

[@marcnobel3938]

Telefon Rings "Yes! Hello! Stephan Winkelmann here!" -Silence- "Hello? Stephan Winkelmann here!" At the other End: HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA - You will never get a real lap together! HA HA HA ... "Andreas? Andreas Preuninger? Is that you? - Beeeeeeppppp- Telefon Rings again "Andreas! Stop it!" "Andreas who? Philipp Schiemer here from AMG!" "How can I help you?" "Just wanted to know if we can share the session next week. We want to do a dry lap with the GTR Black for fun and ..." - Beeeeeeeeeeeeeeepppp

[@larsw4432]

Brilliant! 😂

[@boprendergast2432]

They probably was going to try to pass it on until you call everything poor Lamborghini

[@johnrafferty7972]

Wow wow wow. Our whole office came to a standstill watching this video just now! I can only imagine the head scratching going on at Lamborghini HQ right now lol. Really great stuff again Mr Mitchell!

[@RobertMitchell]

Thank you John!! Sorry for the pause in productivity there

[@Dpro78]

soooo, you say a big car companies are lying to us? this is one of the reasons i ❤ your channel(s)

[@Samson44444]

Lamborghini 🤝 sketchy lap times. Name a more iconic duo

[@sylvandespres7654]

'''laurel and hardy''''

[@fogdood6868]

Those trees behind you are so nice. What a nice place to be in.

[@Shawn-ne6ld]

Florida Palms💯🇺🇸

[@LearningFast]

Great video. However, there could be a benefit to race fuel without changing the mapping. Knock is almost directly dependent on intake temperatures. If your intake temperatures are unusually high then the stock engine might begin to knock at its limits. They could have used the race fuel to make sure that the stock engine hit its absolute limits even if temperatures were very high. Do you know if it was a warm or cold day there? This still would be considered a “modification” but it is possible that they saw a benefit from race gas without changing the map of the car.

[@RobertMitchell]

It was a cool day. Not warm in Germany yet :-)

[@tdlaustralia7791]

I think they got caught out. Traditional tier 1 media would never have said anything for fear of losing future access but now anyone can call them out this will probably disappear.

[@gabrielsanchex]

Lamborghini could pull a fast one and sell the differences as "options" or a "super trofeo/track pack"

[@RobertMitchell]

They should. Now that they know what we know they can make all the moves they need to save face and I’m GOOD w that

[@sylvandespres7654]

yeah lol. the option pack would be a lexan panel,some stashe for the rear wing,and a drum of 102 octane fuel which you can find at any racetracks LOL

[@th3b0untyhunter]

Very good Clouseau, the thing is though they could well have been simply trying to test and benchmark something similar to a Weissach Pack or even looking to see what modifications do what on the laptime. As you rightly point out the visible changes are clear for all to see - especially the gurney flap and lexan windows. This makes it impossible for them to have ever claimed this as a production car record so your video whilst clever and accurate in many ways is also presumptive and a shot in the dark.

[@Stigs722]

Robert: “yo Lamborghini you’re cheating” Lamborghini: “copy we are checking. Slow button on”.

[@RobertMitchell]

The internet knows what’s up

[@Yachtzeee]

No manufacturer is safe from this man’s honesty and integrity.

[@rafifyaristyan8311]

Lamborghini has definitely been caught in 4K hahaha

[@RobertMitchell]

🤣

[@joobaggs6886]

Would be sweet if they called this specially modified version the STOP...Super Trofeo Omologata Perfermonte!

[@swanblake]

Personally I would have waited until they do set a lap time and see what they used. I think this might be a lot about nothing. Have faith Robert. Call them out when it actually occurs and not when everything is unofficial

[@RobertMitchell]

I’d rather point it out now so they don’t claim a lap time and then we call them out for BS. I’d rather see them do NOTHING and not try to deceive us. I don’t want to call out A lie I’d rather see one doesn’t get made. Looks better for Lambo this way vs sitting and waiting for claims and debunking them. That’s sort of entrapment

[@marcnobel3938]

I was so waiting for that Video! Great that it is finally there! Let`s see what happens now.

[@markhodge7]

Robert pulls on Superman's cape :)

[@user-pu1wk4um8k]

The dimple on the windshield can be seen in the STO testing the day before. Clearly seen when the STO is driving on public roads when the side window is being rolled up.

[@connorleeduckworth8952]

“The Friday special” 😂

[@seanreynolds3535]

Best video I think I've seen you make. Bravo. Of particular interest as no doubt they'll be comparing it to our 620r's. Insane how it seems every single aspect has been significantly modified rendering the time nonsense.

[@raulouros7545]

#TierOne analysis of sketchy record attempts did anyone had a close look at the tires? I think we could call this the STO DT edition with all that duct tape

[@huxleyorwellrand3137]

Once again the most authoritative supercar voice on KZbin. Fine work. Considering VW doesn’t really have a clean record when it comes to cheating, this is to be expected. They are totally sketchy.

[@andrelakay4750]

Hi Robert. Was waiting on this video. Well spoken, waiting on Lamborghini, s next move. Well done sir.

[@chrisjay7736]

Great video but just wanted to add that modern ECU mapping can adjust full load timing tables based on fuel quality without input from knock sensors.

[@RobertMitchell]

Usually only down from a base quality. Not up though. To go up they use a switch or key often

[@chrisjay7736]

@@RobertMitchell Yea there would be no gain on stock mapping over Aral 102 for sure.

[@jrchismorie]

Always great insight from Robert!

[@airjerden]

It does raise a major question mark when a major Manufacturer like Lamborghini does this kind of thing. Your analysis of two of the ‘same’ cars would be impossible for somebody uninformed with this kind of stuff to even remotely recognise, and that surely raises concern from a customer perspective if the car they’re buying isn’t what it’s supposed to be; so props for bringing this to light as myself and thousands of other viewers would have been oblivious whether we could afford one or not. Maybe they’re not doing a record as you said, and perhaps they’re testing a more finalised spec of the car prior to its release, but also to use equipment that won’t be on a production car is also even more questionable like the lexan etc. A weird approach, but hopefully Lamborghini are testing bits n bobs, maybe for developments in wider areas, and won’t be flexing the record in a non production model. I agree though, as it currently stands I can’t see this car beating any records unless they up the power and add the bits n bobs mentioned today (optimistic at that point too). Excited to see what they do as they’re always a contender at the NB-NS so hopefully it’s not a frankenmule, and the real deal!

[@DontPanicDear]

I’m just waiting for Motor Trend to cover the story 🤓

[@RobertMitchell]

Oh dear

[@LapoftheWorld]

Maybe it comes with a Demon-style crate with a bunch of tools, lexan windows, gurney flaps, foam air duct plugs, extra ECU/TCU for race fuel and ABS, and a very expensive roll of racers' tape? (but seriously, nice spot on this one, will be curious to see/hear the explanation if one is actually put forth).

[@miguelbermudez4886]

When they release the time of the aventador svj, I dindt trust then. Unless there is independent people like Robert. Nice video.

[@saheel1850]

Pretty sure they used an SVJ with a stripped interior and roll cage for their record

[@miguelbermudez4886]

Diferentes suspension, brakes aerodynamics.............

[@saheel1850]

@@miguelbermudez4886 yeah it’s fucked up

[@FastTeam11]

The Performante time was infamously sketchy and now this. I always thought the SVJ time was kind of unrealistic having in mind, that Aventadors always were pretty shitty track cars (very underwhelming in other track-tests on yt) and what a beast the GT2 RS is.

[@peterriis]

@robert - Great piece of Video / Doc. So this is me speculating in what Automobili Lamborghini is achieving on the " Record Day". If they are approaching the session with a "race car attitude" Testing a lot of those valid points your are pointing at in the video. Catching people's attention on how they are actually preparing the track focused cars from Automobili Lamborghini. Then you and me would be like " Oh my god there are really all in making it the fastetst track day weapon avail. " It´s a genuine race attitude that you can by for the road. Instead of it just being a 620 with an aftermarket exhaust . They are creating a hype around how they build and test the track focused cars to the market - And that is a market that is more and more demanding. For the Man / Woman who is in the market to by a car that they can take to the track. It´s an awesome feeling when you feel you by a piece of the motorsport department. The foundation is made. And as long as they do not post any official timing from the car - This could be a part of a Marketing move.. But again this is me speculating in what it could be.

[@captain_context9991]

As for the legitimacy of the SSC... This thing where people say its not a "production car" because they haven't made 20, 50, 100 units... Is a total internet myth. Got nothing to do with the road legality of the vehicle. If you make a kit-car in your own garage, its a kit-car. Even if you make 50 of them. What makes the SSC Tuatara NOT a production car is that they have never done the steps... No crash testing, no emissions, no "federalisation" of any kind. And that's OK in the US. There are many ways to get numberplates on anything. Register it as a kit-car, or... As Hennessey and SSC does, Also SCG. Cameroon Glickenhaus, register it with show & display numberplates. Then its road legal only to drive to a car show and back home from a car show. But, hey... Its America so who cares. But in doing so, they are doing themselves a huge disservice in not going all-in and not ever establishing a lasting, real supercar brand that can stand alongside the big names. If you're not on public record as a production car should be, then you are not a production car. As for this thing... It looks like a raced-up development car. And that's... No good if they want to use it to set records. I don't mind a bit of tape or other minor tweaks. I mean... Any customer could do that themselves for a track day if it really makes a difference. As for tweaks and mods... Corvette ZR1 and Cadillac did that. After the 2008 US car collapse, Obama told them to be "internationally competitive" to deserve the 100 billion dollar bailout packages. So off they went to the Nurburgring to claim woooorld records. But the cars were as "showroom stock" as Lance Armstrong at Tour d France. The very few pictures that exist of those events show stripped-out development cars full of wires and computers. With racing harnesses and a bunch of visible mods. And like you say. Why would it have stopped there. They werent showroom cars at all. I seriously hope Lambo is above this. But also... Back in the day, anyone could get away with anything. You rented the track, everybody went home, nobody cared. But today. Isnt there a Nurburgring governing body that is supposed to take care of these events and make sure the cars are within limits?

[@RobertMitchell]

You are correct. There were many examples of what people didn’t like about ssc having the world record. Homolgation federally was only one of them. The Nürburgring is going to have to step up and validate the authenticity of these cars for sure

[@captain_context9991]

@@RobertMitchell I thought there was already a sort of governing body on the Ring that did that. I have seen somebody talk about it in a KZbin video. Some crazy Russian called Misha Charoudin or something. You may have heard of him. Which I thought was a good idea. To preserve health & safety as well as the Rings reputation.

[@RobertMitchell]

@@captain_context9991 I think everyone was under the impression that their control was a little bit better than it is

[@captain_context9991]

@@RobertMitchell MMmm I see. Well... Lets wait and see what happens.

[@captain_context9991]

​@@RobertMitchell SO... Lamborghini has just released pictures of a Huracán Super Trofeo EVO2. And except for different front panels, its very similar to the car you guys have spotted. Essentially it’s the car that’ll be used in Lamborghini’s three continental one-make race series from 2022 onwards. So the car you have seen is probably the development mule for the 2022 Super Trofeo program.

[@Zubayer_Islam_Rezoan]

Today I learned about: 1. Gurney flaps 2. Ice abs 3. Fuel mapping 4. Folding (flexi) glass while shutting racing doors Robert you should do quizes from to time see how much we are learning. We can't learn it at college.

[@RobertMitchell]

Hehe we should do that!!!

[@nmlt]

Excellent investigative journalism! #TierExclusive

[@fartvader84yearsago8]

Robert: Uploads a video Lamborghini: Pasta la vista

[@benrogers8315]

Use the spec to open a new Skunkworks class to all Manufacturers and see what the rest can do. Be good to see Ferrari's effort.

[@stijnsap1258]

Great work, I love watching your content and this video is no exception. The only way Lamborghini can work its way out of this situation that I can think of is by releasing the heavily-modified-car to the world and dealerships as a modified (track only?) version of the STO and just claim 'yeahhh we wanted to release this version all along'. Edit: typos

[@RobertMitchell]

Another way out is that they just don’t claim a record time at all from this session. Come back w a stock car or don’t use a ring time at all

[@nickalappat2687]

I don’t think they would use that car as the timing car lmao, they are too big of a corporation to do something like that

[@budokpantai]

VW was sued billions for cheating emissions tests, this is nothing to them.

[@nickalappat2687]

@@budokpantai Lamborghini is under Audi Vw owns Audi, Audi owns Porsche lambo and Bentley

[@budokpantai]

@@nickalappat2687 I know they have VW backing them up, that's why I said this is not even comparable to what VW have done. This doesn't mean I am 100% agree that they were trying to cheat tho. Without any statement from Lamborghini, anything said about the lap timing session will stay as speculations.

[@notimetoexpIain]

I want to believe that these companies are getting smarter after seeing the things that have happened to SSC and such. We can never guarantee stuff like engine mapping but I doubt they would be dumb enough to try and pass this off as a legit car when the differences are so visible

[@lambullshit7857]

My man Robert calling out the Lambullshit, no pun intended

[@velvetjones1856]

The skeptics (not me) will say that the folks making these comments are KZbinrs and we should wait for experienced Tier 1 Media, especially Motor Trend, to make comments. I agree with Schmee, let's hope the manufacturer is not trying to do some sort of scam. It is either a production car as delivered to the public (MB GT Black) or a modified car (Porsche GT2RS MR). I questioned how many cars must be built to be classified as a production car. I cannot find where SSC has built more than one car. Bugatti and others make a base car and then modified models of that so there may be hundreds. It seems that the FIA requires 2500 cars to be built to be homologated. Wouldn't an FIA GT3 race car be allowed to have ABS? Missed your comments and insights on things. You are able to explain things where anyone can understand. Is this from your new place in Florida? Looks like there are boat docks there too. Nice.

[@jassi_ahluwalia]

Robert, if Lamborghini is bringing a modified STO to do a lap time, they must have modified the SVJ for sure because there is no video to check the analytics of the lap time. They must have done the same with Aventador too. And no picture of which car they used for the lap time. That’s really really disappointing.

[@bossboyritchno1685]

Lamborghini about to announce an STO Clubsport! 😆

[@RobertMitchell]

Might have to now

[@timberlinecline3667]

Welcome back now do what you do best and make Lamborghini understand that nobody is invincible when it comes to cheating

[@mrmeowchow85]

Stella work yet again Robert. I love we now have someone like yourself with a platform like KZbin to stand up and call manufacturers like this out.

[@sooofancier]

Robert... I was not expecting you would make a video🤣🤣😂 And even though, i am NOT here before you, im still here before Misha and Tim. Lol

[@mgcharoudin]

Try again

[@sooofancier]

@@mgcharoudin SHIT

[@robertstarczewski]

Hahaha

[@NoHope_]

i have not watched the full video and 100% do not know most of whats happening tbh but, is it possible that this is another situation where everyone thought lambo took a heavily modified huracan to the ring and set an insane record and everyone was complaining about this same thing, then they came out with the performante which turned out to be the "heavily modified" huracan people were seeing

[@RobertMitchell]

No. Not possible. They have since retracted the lap and canceled the record run

[@NoHope_]

@@RobertMitchell I see, in that case I'm 100% with you on this, very suspect from Lamborghini.

[@ChefTamable]

You need to disect UFO videos. 😂

[@anotherpointlessvideo3654]

UFOs and UAPs are Lambo STOs all taped up and using Lexan to save weight. Presumably ABS was tweaked to allow them to do those crazy turns in flight

[@DontPanicDear]

I just watched the GT3 vs STO Autocar video. ‘Lamborghini say this car is all about fun, not lap times’ 👀 Quite telling isn’t it 😂 They did indeed abandon this shenanigans. So they are still dirty cheaters, as you called out, who want to lie to their customers, but their marketing team realised the game was up. Perhaps they’ll learn from this. I wonder if they did the two car shuffle, when the suspicious Performante record was run. (I guess we know the answer) I know Misha annualised the in car footage that had so many questions about it. This is a new era you’ve created. The SSC / STO cheating fails you’ve called out, will have had further reaching effects I’m sure. Retrospectively this video is even better Robert🍻

[@RobertMitchell]

thank you and I could not agree more. They of course did not publish the STO video and its lap time. this was the catalyst and hopefully others are on notice that things like this will be seen as even though we want to believe great things and see records, the car community is not completely stupid

[@DontPanicDear]

@@RobertMitchell That was quite the delayed response Robert! Time on your hands? Let’s see if they turn up next year with a Revuelto 🤓

[@RobertMitchell]

@@DontPanicDear you know what’s funny is that I logged in and had 4-5 comments at the top that made me have a few nice memories. So thank you for that 🤣 Maybe it’s time for some vids?!

[@DontPanicDear]

@@RobertMitchell That would be great! Lots to catch up on if the mood takes you 🤓 I missed you in June when I finally made my post C19 Apex stay! MC, DF made us welcome though. Just a shame I missed the MR Taxi laps. I hope to see it make a lower key comeback one day 😀

[@reno9k]

Every manufacturer does stuff like this for 'ring record runs. I'm sure if Lamborghini offered you a flight out to Italy, you would change your opinion in an instant just as you did with SSC.

[@RobertMitchell]

Lol. SSC F’d up big time and still has not fully redeemed themselves in my book. I have spent 10k of my OWN money to go watch their run attempts and it’s not gotten to the point yet where they have accomplished what they said they’ve did in the first place. Critical thinking is key, you missed it. I’ve spent more in air travel than I have earned in youtube money to witness ssc attempt to work back to the levels they claimed day one.

[@reno9k]

@@RobertMitchell Well at least that is good to hear, as I believed your more recent videos on the topic were hypocritical. So long as there wasn't any financial incentive, which you probably don't need in hindsight now that I think about it :^), the videos following that little saga came off as if you had gone from a neutral standpoint to suddenly favouring SSC. In that perspective it made this video seem unjust which is why I came in with some low octane and poured it out. On topic of the video: 1. Every manufacturer does this, except for Porsche perhaps. 2. Why did so few question the Nissan GT-R's ring record? 3. Why did so many question the Huracan's first ring record?

[@RobertMitchell]

@@reno9k Porsche and AMG seem to be clean at the moment... we cannot verify their power levels however!! Yeah, SSC hasn’t paid me a cent. I stated very clearly my disbelief in our opening videos. My position is that I want to share what’s happening as it’s happening but it be the judge and or jury. I want to stay neutral as thing progress and not contradict any statements that I made in the beginning as they all still good true. Regarding Nissan.. I’m sure if they ran records now we would look at them. while intriguing I’m not sure I have the energy to look at 14 year old lap time drama. Another reason why I’m not going back is that the Nürburgring finally has a new lap timing system in place to keep things honest. The only thing they’re lacking is having a control in place to prove that the car which is run is the car that customers cab buy. Once that is in place I feel we will have less to scrutinize when a “record” attempt is run.

[@coach4050]

THIS IS SO SATISFACTORY

[@TowPiglet]

Could they sell this as an optional package?

[@micros95]

Yes they could, look at other manufacturer. But i'm not shure if this still would count as a stock car even with parts from Lamborghini.

[@th3b0untyhunter]

Yes, Porsche for example offer a Weissach pack for GT2 RS and GT3 RS and they are considered stock cars

[@drepark2294]

@@th3b0untyhunter they won’t meet road car safety standards etc.

[@nickholbrook3454]

@@drepark2294 and you know this how? Gurney Flaps Sealed vents Lexan windows Are all things that other manufacturers offer from time to time

[@drepark2294]

@@nickholbrook3454 lmaoooo, he literally bender the window in, do you really think that will pass safety standards, LOL use your brain. It’s okay to be a lambo fan but they are massive cheaters.

[@speedmatters75]

Kill switches are a Bosch requirement when running early prototype powertrain or ESP software. OEMs also fit them for risk assessment purposes. Even a 1ltr Golf Prototype will have a kill switch in early development.

[@speedmatters75]

Excellent analysis btw - love it.

[@RobertMitchell]

This is why I said we can look other way BUT if a production car record it’s no longer an early development car needs to be a production ready car

[@speedmatters75]

@@RobertMitchell playing devil’s advocate, the module can be updated to a production cal but the switch left in as it’s spliced into the wiring harness. You’re bang on though, it’s minor compared to the rest of it. I think the ‘ring officials needs to police these activities more closely so they can keep their credibility and keep OEMs honest. The review done by the ‘ring officials at the moment is hardly in-depth. This is why I respect Sport Auto times so highly, yes they are press cars (which are all fettled) but it adds a layer independent adjudication. I don’t agree that the the session is a waste of money if they don’t claim a time. They may have figured early on that the road car wasn’t fast enough and used a modified Trofeo car to run some benchmarking for baselining simulation. Having a private session means the data can be uninterrupted and they have time to get it right. Better than not running at all and getting no refund. The session could have been booked for the Trofeo this whole time and the road car was there as they have the session booked anyway, I guess time will tell....