Destruction?! Inside the Blown Toyota GR Yaris Engine

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Robert Mitchell

Robert Mitchell

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@titusvarughese5071
@titusvarughese5071 3 жыл бұрын
Stick to driving automatic lol
@RobertMitchell
@RobertMitchell 3 жыл бұрын
Stick to Twitter
@ludda42
@ludda42 3 жыл бұрын
It happens man. Drive enough and it happens
@Tristan.R.J.M
@Tristan.R.J.M 3 жыл бұрын
@@RobertMitchell 📣-📣-📣- 📣!!!
@titusvarughese5071
@titusvarughese5071 3 жыл бұрын
@@RobertMitchell 😝😝
@paulomoniz7326
@paulomoniz7326 3 жыл бұрын
Not really.
@tomstamp
@tomstamp 3 жыл бұрын
Have you tried turning it on and off again?
@john-martin
@john-martin 3 жыл бұрын
That wouldn’t help because the rocker actually fell off the bearing, nice thinking though.
@tonycarpaccio9550
@tonycarpaccio9550 3 жыл бұрын
@@john-martin whoosh?
@makesense1607
@makesense1607 3 жыл бұрын
@@john-martin It was a joke.
@xthilox
@xthilox 3 жыл бұрын
Or maybe Robert had just no fuel .. i would have checked that before open the engine 🤷🏽‍♂️ 😂
@RobertMitchell
@RobertMitchell 3 жыл бұрын
Good idea let's try that tomorrow! ;-)
@matthewmahy2604
@matthewmahy2604 3 жыл бұрын
Fascinating to see the insides of the engine on such a new car, and great to have a dealer that lets you get in and see the work in progress like that. Love these technical videos, please keep them coming.
@RobertMitchell
@RobertMitchell 3 жыл бұрын
Couldn't agree more! The guys at the dealer are really cool and I can't thank them enough for letting me make this video for you guys :-)
@jorgschneider4907
@jorgschneider4907 3 жыл бұрын
@@RobertMitchell I rebuilded my old Celica gt4 for Weeks at their garage. They are very helpful and Michael is a great Chief. Bekim and Waldemar are my tier 1 mecanics!
@gergoantal1066
@gergoantal1066 3 жыл бұрын
@@jorgschneider4907 I love the Celica GT-FOUR
@Thisonegoestoeleven666
@Thisonegoestoeleven666 3 жыл бұрын
@@jorgschneider4907 My friend’s Dad got a Gt-4 when they first came out. Will never forget my first drive in that! Great car.
@SparrowNoblePoland
@SparrowNoblePoland 3 жыл бұрын
What car makers won't tell you that power output relative to engine capacity in modern turbocharged engines is such as it was it group IV (highest competition class) cars in the early 80s, while materials remained the same. In most cases, no magnesium, no titanium, no ceramic alloys, just iron, steel and aluminium. Back then these engines were supposed to do 3-5 thousand kilometers before a complete rebuilt. These modern engines are effectively competition engines and owners should have over-average technical knowledge if he doesn't want to damage then in no time.
@MrHaun
@MrHaun 3 жыл бұрын
April? C'mon now, overnight parts from Japan. That's the Tier 1 solution.
@RobertMitchell
@RobertMitchell 3 жыл бұрын
I don't want to flex too hard, ya know?
@sooofancier
@sooofancier 3 жыл бұрын
@@RobertMitchell Are you planning April Fools day Robert?? Hmmmm you are suspicous...
@DiscoR53
@DiscoR53 3 жыл бұрын
You can’t rush quality.
@alexandrepf8471
@alexandrepf8471 3 жыл бұрын
Overnight parts from litchfield
@doctorscoot
@doctorscoot 3 жыл бұрын
Given this is a homologation model, I would have thought spare engines would have been available for racing teams? Maybe you have to order the spare engine when you buy it.
@mgcharoudin
@mgcharoudin 3 жыл бұрын
Dead Head Redemption!
@TheMilenkata
@TheMilenkata 3 жыл бұрын
Hahah, that was good
@lewistheberzerker
@lewistheberzerker 3 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@theraggededgeonboardfastes8461
@theraggededgeonboardfastes8461 3 жыл бұрын
The curse of JWW ??
@nunyabinis
@nunyabinis 3 жыл бұрын
Hopefully an Apex Yaris tie dye sticker is coming soon!
@rustler08
@rustler08 3 жыл бұрын
Why not Head Dead Redemption?
@tjones002
@tjones002 3 жыл бұрын
As a mechanic, I absolutely LOVE how apparent it is that Robert has wrenched and built engines himself. Also, how awesome of the Toyota dealer to let you film this in there!
@HardcoreMotors
@HardcoreMotors 3 жыл бұрын
Good thing you pointed out the engine. I thought it was a coffee machine.
@RobertMitchell
@RobertMitchell 3 жыл бұрын
It's crazy how small this motor is!
@playwme3
@playwme3 3 жыл бұрын
Triple boilers with a Milk Frother hanging off the side.
@Mistabushi
@Mistabushi 3 жыл бұрын
I like how the host counted cylinders, one two three, I can confirn there should be three cylinders in this particular engine
@Dan23_7
@Dan23_7 3 жыл бұрын
@@Mistabushi I thought the same 😂 We’d still be listening if it had say 12 cyls
@Mistabushi
@Mistabushi 3 жыл бұрын
@@Dan23_7 damn right haha
@ddmk11
@ddmk11 3 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed watching this with my son who is seven he found it fascinating .....Thanks.
@RobertMitchell
@RobertMitchell 3 жыл бұрын
Greetings to you son David!
@KirkVSSpock
@KirkVSSpock 3 жыл бұрын
You're a nice and honest guy Robert. Without saying anything, with no warning from the computer, the cost would have been fully taken on warranty, come on Toyota, give Robert a discount ! Loyalty pays, this would be a great example.
@vornamenachname9080
@vornamenachname9080 3 жыл бұрын
I agree but usually by using cars on track you loose warranty anyway, but yes it would be nice if they would share the costs, the rocker arm shouldn´t have failed at such a small overrev, i think this was a material issue anyway. I did the same with an BMW 430i at the german Autobahn, wanted to shift to 4th at around 130kph and accidently choosed the 2nd but luckily nothing happened my first ever missshift :D intersting how many lights can flash at the same time in a modern car cockpit and the engine turned off immediately automatically :D:D but tbh it was the only way i ever found to switch off the ESP System. Because i was still roling and restarted the engine there was an ESP-failure which took it off :D:D but I wouldn´t recommend this.
@KirkVSSpock
@KirkVSSpock 3 жыл бұрын
@@vornamenachname9080 Nurburgring is NOT considered as a track in Germany ;-)
@vornamenachname9080
@vornamenachname9080 3 жыл бұрын
@@KirkVSSpock 😅 just waited for this answer, this could be a nice meeting at the court. Customer: it is a legal road not a track! Tyota: okay so, why you are going 200+ on legal Road where 100 is allowed, maybe we should talk about your mental ability to drive a car on public roads. Customer: okay, how much is the engine:D
@rishabjain7864
@rishabjain7864 3 жыл бұрын
In a way you've effectively done an accelerated stress testing on the engine and highlighted the component most likely to fail (the bearings for the valve rocker arms) Something for Toyota to pick up and work on in their next iteration.
@Richard_AKL
@Richard_AKL 3 жыл бұрын
I think it's the other way round - I think the big rev difference stretched the chain, caused the timing to go out so the piston hit the valve, and that's what caused the other damage... pushed the valve up while cam follower was trying to push it down, and then it was just a matter of time until the follower failed and caused the valve to drop which was when it got bent
@jamescaley9942
@jamescaley9942 3 жыл бұрын
It's a thought but you cannot normally extrapolate from an abnormal situations. There was a famous airbus crash after the pilot gave too much rudder inputs which took it beyond the design limitations and ripped off the tail. Pretty sure they didn't try to strengthen the design after that.
@MrLundefaret
@MrLundefaret 3 жыл бұрын
@@Richard_AKL sounds reasonable
@rishabjain7864
@rishabjain7864 3 жыл бұрын
@@jamescaley9942 I agree they might not do anything about it, especially if it was a user error, but continuous improvement is the Toyota Way after all. So who knows...
@bkdore
@bkdore 3 жыл бұрын
@@Richard_AKL If the timing chain had stretched then the whole cam would be off and other valves would have hit pistons too. Roberts explanation is much more likely given just one intake valve was affected.
@peterjansen5571
@peterjansen5571 3 жыл бұрын
In my opinion as a former employee as a engine rebuilder in a shipyard this bearing did not fail in the over rev situation. If it should fail during the over rev it would be because the valvespring couldn't keep up the pace of the engine and the Inlet valve didn't close in time resulting in contact with the piston. Then the valve hits the rocker with too much force and the bearing fails. The engine would fail at the same time as the over rev because the valve would bend at the same time. Not the next day after sending the car 5 more laps. I think warranty is a possibility. BTW why did they take the engine out? I can't imagine that they would take it out for a headgasket we're basically the same parts come of the engine. Thanks for the video Robert. I was waiting for it👌
@6pistons
@6pistons 3 жыл бұрын
We get to see the engine partially disassembled, real cool.
@RobertMitchell
@RobertMitchell 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Marlin, glad we managed to get down to Toyota to show you the engine whilst it was in pieces! Thanks for watching :-)
@DanijelTurina973
@DanijelTurina973 3 жыл бұрын
I'm far from being an expert, but if the ICU doesn't show over-rev, it would indicate that the engine remained within manufacturer spec, and the actual cause of the breakdown was a manufacturing defect inside one of the bearings, which might have been revealed through a slight over-rev, but then again, it might have just failed after a heat-cycle. In any case, I think Toyota should think about covering the expenses.
@jmblur
@jmblur 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed! If it was still within spec enough that the ECU didn't log it, it sounds like the overrev was minimal and possibly still within red line. Of course, I'm not sure Robert cares so much about the cost of the repair on a Yaris compared to a lot of the other cars in the fleet, the downtime is a lot more costly than the repair. I appreciate Robert's honesty but this is definitely a situation where a causal omission would have gone a long way. That said... Misery means clicks, so he probably will earn more money admitting it than not!
@ArKritz84
@ArKritz84 3 жыл бұрын
It's an interesting problem. Whether there is enough data logged to get a meaningful sequence of events out of it, whether the parts can be X-rayed or microscoped to expose a potential weakness etc. Maybe get Toyota interested and ship the damaged parts to Japan? In retrospect, as long as there is no overrev logged, it *would* have been a warranty job.
@kreiseltower
@kreiseltower 3 жыл бұрын
I think the cause might be not even the over-rev per se but the over acceleration of the affected parts. Just to put in some numbers going from 2000 rpm to 7000 rpm in 5 milliseconds might be ok for the bearings and lubrication... and springs... but going from 2000 rpm to 7000 rpm in 0,5 milliseconds might cause damage like ejecting a retainer pin although the engine isn't really overreved.
@kain0m
@kain0m 3 жыл бұрын
@@kreiseltower na, accelerations isn't an issue for the rockers. At 7000 RPM, the cams are rotating almost 60 times per second. So the rockers are going up and down every 20ms. Acceleration of the engine wouldainly hurt the transmission, and maybe the timing chains, but not throw a rocker off.
@kreiseltower
@kreiseltower 3 жыл бұрын
@@kain0m I do not mean acceleration of the car, but angular acceleration of that bearing where the rockers sit on etc... I don't remember exactly, but how does that axle of the rocker mount sit on that bearing? Is it a press fit? There must be a (design) limit on how fast you can accelerate or decellarate from one rev. number to another and this could have been the failing point.
@timdunn2387
@timdunn2387 3 жыл бұрын
Robert, you must be very proud to be the first in the world to grenade what is already becoming an icon auto. Congratulations! (PS; said with love and irony)
@RobertMitchell
@RobertMitchell 3 жыл бұрын
❤️
@I999-g2s
@I999-g2s 3 жыл бұрын
‘Ultimately’ one of the more cool videos you guys have made - thank you, really learned a few things from this whole story. Narrowly missed a “money shift” myself on my gt3, boy am I glad!
@RobertMitchell
@RobertMitchell 3 жыл бұрын
Man I’m glad you didn’t buzz the GT3!!!
@I999-g2s
@I999-g2s 3 жыл бұрын
@@RobertMitchell I was incredibly lucky, I shifted to 2nd and began to release the clutch when I saw "2" on the dash in front of me and 'clocked' that wasn't what I wanted to do, I had hardly released the clutch by a few millimeters. The 991.2 shift is incredibly close across the gate.
@RennieAsh
@RennieAsh 3 жыл бұрын
Isn’t it difficult to put it in such a low gear at speed or are synchros very good these days?
@I999-g2s
@I999-g2s 3 жыл бұрын
@@RennieAsh perhaps it was the 'resistance' that I felt that made me aware of the mistake I was about to make, but I'm pretty sure it would have made the shift. Certainly, there are others who have made a similar mistake (with disastrous consequences). I find the manual box in the GT3 to be a bit too easy to shift (little resistance as compared to say my old 997), couple this with the short throw and very closely stacked ratios, and it's almost a recipe for disaster (certainly for hacks like me).
@RennieAsh
@RennieAsh 3 жыл бұрын
I999 I don’t like changing gears overly quickly because of such things lol. I don’t race though so it doesn’t matter :)
@TheDrAkira
@TheDrAkira 3 жыл бұрын
Those cylinder walls are THICK! Thanks for showing us this little beast!
@raymondk2202
@raymondk2202 3 жыл бұрын
short term heat absorption/capacity
@SebastianBlix
@SebastianBlix 3 жыл бұрын
I was just thinking that! Open deck was a surprise, but those walls are thicc
@sids2498
@sids2498 3 жыл бұрын
Robert first off, kudos for looking at the silver lining even through a bad experience. Second, I appreciate your taking the time to explain all of this to noobs like me. Much appreciated!
@rotarolla1
@rotarolla1 3 жыл бұрын
This is more interesting than watching it drive round in circles
@RobertMitchell
@RobertMitchell 3 жыл бұрын
I agree. More costly but more interesting
@heroes1125
@heroes1125 3 жыл бұрын
I second this. Its interesting to see how they able to pack a punch in this small 3cyl turbo engine and other bits
@Gabriel83580
@Gabriel83580 2 жыл бұрын
For those of us who have a interest in this engine and it's engineering, we find this video very educational and give us a small idea of what to keep a eye out for,when it comes to high Rev. The fact that you showed us the physical part's while explaining the damage results and your plan for the rebuild got my attention being that this engine is becoming more popular in the automotive and car world. So thank you.
@medilyesoudhini7411
@medilyesoudhini7411 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Robert for this lesson on the inside of an engine, I really learned a lot
@RobertMitchell
@RobertMitchell 3 жыл бұрын
Glad it helped
@richardwallinger1683
@richardwallinger1683 3 жыл бұрын
superb video .. lucky owner .. at 76 years old I tend to baby / granny my motors . I believe my Perodua Kelisa car has the Toyota Yaris three cylinder motor . It is so nice to see how well built the engine is .. That piston is perfectly usable .The chance of a failure goes up exponentially with RPM. and of course mileage .I ran three engines when I won the 1980 Donnington GT championship. the practice and race engine had the cylinder head removed the camshaft buckets were inspected and the valves re seated with 1mm wide rounded seat faces . Apart form a broken crankshaft at Oulton Park racetrack . I never had an actual engine failure .9,000 rpm max self imposed rev limit .on a much modified 1 litre Hillman imp engine .
@Darkacces
@Darkacces 3 жыл бұрын
I've seen every video on the blown engine Yaris GR, and specially on this video, I can tell that you are really passionate about Cars. It's not only for your technical knowledge, it's also for your driving style to take care of the cars, the technical and not technical chats, and of course, for a little thing called apex. Hoping that if in a near future I travel to Germany, could stay in Apex and have that nice experience of the Nürburgring with people who just love cars. Greetings from Argentina!
@RobertMitchell
@RobertMitchell 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you EU. Enjoy Argentina (dyana from apex family is from there). We’d love to see you at the ring
@CGL43474_C
@CGL43474_C 3 жыл бұрын
Man. Watching stuff like this brings back some pretty good memories of automotive shop class in grade 9-12 for me. I live/went to school near a General Motors office, so our shop was all old GM V6s and similar, plus a Chevy cobalt that I think was like an original late-stage prototype (looked like any other cobalt, but I think it came from the engineering dept.) test car that got donated to the school. Our teacher wasn’t super well organized, so most days in grades 9-10, we were just told to go take something apart and put it back together again. One “big project” we did through a semester was taking apart and reassembling one of the old engines. Good times. (And looking at it now, I write that like it was ages ago, but it wasn’t _that_ long ago).
@rodneyyy95
@rodneyyy95 3 жыл бұрын
I am a bit of a self taught "mechanic", so this was actually interesting to watch, and thank you for the clear explanation Robert!
@mudachuka12345
@mudachuka12345 3 жыл бұрын
The most fascinating thing about this video is how knowledgable Robert is when explaining I didn’t expect that.
@davidsmall7676
@davidsmall7676 3 жыл бұрын
Robert, very impressive Tech Talk. I enjoy the in depth sharings when dealing with fixing and improving the fleet. Thanks! Glad that the catastrophic failure was not a total catastrophe. Looking forward to the next part of the rebuild and a return to the Apex fleet for laps.
@doctorscoot
@doctorscoot 3 жыл бұрын
Toyota engineering is pretty incredible at making their stuff compact, buildable, maintainable, and generally bulletproof. Lots of other makes tend to get only 3 out of 4 of those right (some less lol). That engine is a work of art.
@jrchismorie
@jrchismorie 3 жыл бұрын
Today on Engineering Explained... great stuff Robert!
@RobertMitchell
@RobertMitchell 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the support! Glad that you enjoyed the video :-)
@Runoratsu
@Runoratsu 3 жыл бұрын
Missing a whiteboard for being EE! 😄
@bigcraig1976
@bigcraig1976 3 жыл бұрын
love how you can explain how your engine works and how it failed in a way that anyone could understand
@geek9642
@geek9642 3 жыл бұрын
Just a thought you could ask Toyota to fix it for free and pay you £25k for the privilege, then get a commission on future sales.
@RobertMitchell
@RobertMitchell 3 жыл бұрын
On it
@The_driftologist
@The_driftologist 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing technology 👏. All this power from this small block .
@beaver9757
@beaver9757 3 жыл бұрын
So sorry this happened to you, but it is making some great content. Great video. :)
@RobertMitchell
@RobertMitchell 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much! It sucks that it happened but I'm glad that we are able to draw a positive from it in some way :-)
@alistairl
@alistairl 3 жыл бұрын
Thankyou for the explanation, the last video was quite forensic and seeing the parts adds to the understanding. I really appreciate you taking the time to do this!
@alistairl
@alistairl 3 жыл бұрын
Quick question - that you could see the marks on the top of the piston compared to the main surface looked like something had worn off - was this a coating or simply carbon/soot from normal engine running?
@MrE30
@MrE30 3 жыл бұрын
Afternoon Robert thanks for sharing the break down of the engine and causes and glad the damage was minimal 🙏
@Paul_VanGo
@Paul_VanGo 3 жыл бұрын
Possibly soon the most watched automotive video? It's the unicorn of unicorns! Finding content about broken McLarens, Ferrari's and Mambo's is no problem at allj
@RobertMitchell
@RobertMitchell 3 жыл бұрын
Heheh broken mclaren. Take your choice and get some popcorn
@Paul_VanGo
@Paul_VanGo 3 жыл бұрын
@@RobertMitchell Proves my point.
@1rayljr
@1rayljr 3 жыл бұрын
Admire Robert for the honesty and taking responsibility for the damage. Time will tell if the over-rev was actually severe enough to cause the problem, or if we will see similar failures in other GR Yaris in the future. I do find it a bit interesting that only the one rocker arm bearing was damaged from the over-rev.
@RobertMitchell
@RobertMitchell 3 жыл бұрын
Hey man thanks for the comment. Yes sometimes you just gotta be transparent with these things, things happen and we just have to overcome it. :-)
@stickshifter8
@stickshifter8 3 жыл бұрын
Not the first youtuber to get a GR Yaris, but the first to toast one! Robert, in my dictionary, that’s definitely Tier One!! Cheers!!
@RobertMitchell
@RobertMitchell 3 жыл бұрын
I’m always the first
@andywong5606
@andywong5606 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing the progress of your GR Yaris motor. Your failure analysis skills are pretty good! If the ECU log doesn't show an over rev, I'm wondering if there was a manufacturing (assembly?) defect from the factory.
@thelokoone1
@thelokoone1 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for taking time to make an informative video out of this misshapening Robert. It was pretty cool to see that little beast engine with so much detail
@ewaldelfering
@ewaldelfering 3 жыл бұрын
Love the transparentcy off apex so cool.
@hensh911
@hensh911 3 жыл бұрын
This is one of the most interesting videos on this channel. Great to see Robert's knowledge.
@derimmor
@derimmor 3 жыл бұрын
Lets see, if this problem apears in some other Yarises over time, then it maybe some manufacturing fault. Light overrev should not cause that rocker arm bearing center pin come off loose.
@europeinvasion3057
@europeinvasion3057 3 жыл бұрын
YARIS CRAP
@boboutelama5748
@boboutelama5748 2 жыл бұрын
It depends of the engine. I remember my bestie, that wa driving the shit out her Mazda MPS. She also had engine failure, but was driving like a maniac, missing shifts all the time. When the engine gave up, she claimed a malfunction of said engine. But I guarantee you, she would have broken ANY car in driving like that.
@SROC276
@SROC276 3 жыл бұрын
From your description and the computer saying it wasn’t really an over rev...I am still surprised the rocker arm gave in. Seems like it was a pin failure issue or valve retainer clip failure due to a defect. I would think Toyota knows these cars were going to be raced and driven hard. Accidents happens but tolerance levels would have taken care of it without issue unless you discovered a failure point. Would not surprise if a few months from now they have updated parts and changes to this engine to take care of it. I’ve overreved a few before but have never experienced a failure. It’s interesting indeed. I agree it should be covered under warranty regardless of Tier 1 baller status. Thanks for sharing...am sure many new owners are watching this with enthusiasm.
@TankRust
@TankRust 3 жыл бұрын
Great breakdown on the failure Robert! You really dodged a bullet if all of the debris stayed in the top end of the motor. It wouldn't take much for one of those needle bearings to make its way into the bottom end and cause some major carnage. Good call on replacing all the rockers, they all endured the same overrev and I wouldn't want another one to decide to let go shortly after the rebuild. Any thought of trying to source some forged internals and upgraded valvetrain "while you're in there"? Keep up the excellent content!
@kings3803
@kings3803 3 жыл бұрын
Nice to see you are not taking any risks when it comes to replacing parts that are even slightly damaged which is the smart move when you are going to be thrashing it round the ring.
@46M111
@46M111 3 жыл бұрын
So if it wasn't over revved how high was the peak rpm recorded in the ECU?
@levisalvini4110
@levisalvini4110 3 жыл бұрын
I will love to know that too!
@schmo7777
@schmo7777 3 жыл бұрын
He said like 13k rpm.... So, I'm guessing revved to like 9k and damaged but not destroyed? Think they ecu would record 2k over redline, and figured you need at least 2k over to damage and dismantle parts like here
@hristohristov8787
@hristohristov8787 3 жыл бұрын
It's your lucky day Robert,there is no better scenario in this case.Thanks for the video and good luck!
@RobertMitchell
@RobertMitchell 3 жыл бұрын
Very true; It could've been way worse! :-)
@macfady2181
@macfady2181 3 жыл бұрын
Great walk through, appreciate you taking the time to lay it all out.
@RobertMitchell
@RobertMitchell 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Mike, thanks for watching the video! I'm glad that you liked it :-)
@neilcajote
@neilcajote 3 жыл бұрын
for Nürburgring gear ratio, 2nd gear is 1.6, 3rd gear 1.32, 4th gear 1.08, and 5th gear is 0.93. If Robert is revving 6,500 rpm from 5th gear and shift directly back to 2nd gear, therefore x=6,500 rpm divided by 0.93 multiply by 1.6... So probably he was revving 11,182 rpm @ 2nd gear.
@RobertMitchell
@RobertMitchell 3 жыл бұрын
Keep in mind if I was going 5 to 4 I would not have been at 6500 in 5th. I would have been lower than 5000 in 4th otherwise there would have been no reason to downshift;-). So go 5000 in 4th down to second and you have your number.
@RobertMitchell
@RobertMitchell 3 жыл бұрын
Id guess 7500
@OrionVX
@OrionVX 3 жыл бұрын
Tier 1 content! Inside look on a new engine, really inside :D
@RobertMitchell
@RobertMitchell 3 жыл бұрын
We definitely don't do things by half on this channel haha ;-)
@ArKritz84
@ArKritz84 3 жыл бұрын
Really inside, but not really new. At least not anymore. 😂
@mkkoper
@mkkoper 3 жыл бұрын
Well, technically it’s only half of the engine 😂
@silkysixx
@silkysixx 3 жыл бұрын
I wrote this comment with hate in my heart because I work in finance and am studying engineering, and just lost my cool about this very successful person having what I thought was poor attention to detail. What he actually has is the resources to have other people take care of this stuff and is also sharing the journey with us - both of which I both appreciate and respect. I've deleted what I originally wrote because it adds nothing to anybody's life, least of all mine.
@RobertMitchell
@RobertMitchell 3 жыл бұрын
At what point do you think that the locks came out? You’ve sure come in here with an attitude didnt you?! 1. When do you think the locks came out 2. when do you think the valve hit the piston?
@silkysixx
@silkysixx 3 жыл бұрын
@@RobertMitchell Either the spring surged massively and let the locks out OR the piston hit the floating valve, jamming it in the guide, which would cause the rocker to slide off the stem, onto the retainer, letting the locks out. It doesn't make sense for an over-rev to cause a needle roller bearing to fail before anything else. It's the one part with no reciprocating energy.
@RobertMitchell
@RobertMitchell 3 жыл бұрын
@@silkysixx so you think that the valve hit the piston at the time of the overrev?
@RobertMitchell
@RobertMitchell 3 жыл бұрын
I asked a 2 part question to keep you focused and organized and you missed even that.
@silkysixx
@silkysixx 3 жыл бұрын
@@RobertMitchell I can't believe that the rocker failed first, so it had to be the locks coming out or valve-on-piston violence that kicked it all off. Both would require some mighty spring surge, but are possible.
@jkl6868
@jkl6868 3 жыл бұрын
Nice little motor, thick sleeves!
@RobertMitchell
@RobertMitchell 3 жыл бұрын
It's pretty small isn't it, kind of impressive how it all fits together in such a tiny space!
@jkl6868
@jkl6868 3 жыл бұрын
@@RobertMitchell has potential!!!
@MrGlenferd
@MrGlenferd 3 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of a Vauxhall I found years ago. A valve spring retainer broke and the valve was bouncing on the piston. I straightened the valve and replaced the retainer. Drove the car for 5 years.
@tracktimevideos5164
@tracktimevideos5164 3 жыл бұрын
If no over-rev is logged then I would have thought this would be covered under warranty? I hope this is a failure point that is corrected in later cars. Mine arrives May '22.
@kapsoztatoltott4537
@kapsoztatoltott4537 3 жыл бұрын
Can they really read the ECU rpm data back, for 5 laps which is 100+ km? Might have been the good old "Kid, I saw you smokin'..." trick (even though you didn't, obv.)😁🤷‍♂️.
@jamescaley9942
@jamescaley9942 3 жыл бұрын
@@kapsoztatoltott4537 Don't think the ECU stores a lot of data at all, just the last events, I.e. it is not like a "black box".
@burningdieselproduction5498
@burningdieselproduction5498 3 жыл бұрын
@@jamescaley9942 Some premium ECUs hold timers which count how long have you been above certain revs. It would look like a given rpm and time the motor was above that. it takes one timer and a reference value and it does not use a lot of ECU memory.
@WestfieldFreshAir
@WestfieldFreshAir 3 жыл бұрын
@@jamescaley9942 I would expect it to hold some data for this to protect Toyota from warranty claims that are due to buzzing the engine and not being open like Robert has been.
@tracktimevideos5164
@tracktimevideos5164 3 жыл бұрын
@Do One lol. You should do a bit more research.
@zxf1323
@zxf1323 3 жыл бұрын
Loved this breakdown of parts and what happened, not hiding stuff and showing what kind of damage does an over rev do, tier 1 content. Keep it up!
@ronaldjanssen105
@ronaldjanssen105 3 жыл бұрын
Really love these tech video's. This money shift turned for the better. Tier 1 content ;-).
@RobertMitchell
@RobertMitchell 3 жыл бұрын
Great to hear!
@motojojo_
@motojojo_ 3 жыл бұрын
So very cool! We all guessed the engine was a gem but seeing the whole engine bay stripped out and the parts, it's genuinely impressive engineering. Good call on replacing stuff too, not worth the risk to reuse already stressed parts
@jonandrews6018
@jonandrews6018 3 жыл бұрын
My girlfriend and I ordered pizza and settled down together to watch this. We liked it .
@markwood9987
@markwood9987 3 жыл бұрын
We did the same but kebab and chips.
@petermckay4760
@petermckay4760 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Robert, this was very educational!! Keep us updated as the rebuild of the engine goes on!
@pratikagrawal4190
@pratikagrawal4190 3 жыл бұрын
Tier 1 media💪
@RobertMitchell
@RobertMitchell 3 жыл бұрын
You know it ;-)
@petripaa
@petripaa 3 жыл бұрын
That is first class service from Autohaus Henn. Really really cool to see the engine stripped down to parts and also the extent of the damage. I hope I'll get to drive this car later this year given that traveling is allowed again.
@matmul4850
@matmul4850 3 жыл бұрын
New drinking game. Every time Robert says "Ultimately" take a shot. 😁 Guaranteed you’ll be drunk very quickly 😅
@RobertMitchell
@RobertMitchell 3 жыл бұрын
Let’s do it
@robertdaniels9460
@robertdaniels9460 3 жыл бұрын
Haha this is the only reason I’m in the comments as I found it funny too 😂
@salsarriba5695
@salsarriba5695 3 жыл бұрын
cany anybdy bssay, how thisd vdeoi ended?
@mayuravirus6134
@mayuravirus6134 3 жыл бұрын
A shot of what!? Vodka!? Whiskey!?
@fredzephire4071
@fredzephire4071 3 жыл бұрын
@@salsarriba5695 lol
@BigUpYaRancidCarpet
@BigUpYaRancidCarpet 3 жыл бұрын
Toyota is a great company to do business with. Respect to them for letting you film in their workshops . Bonus content from the exploding Yaris Win Win ... should pay your shoe budget
@Richard_Turner
@Richard_Turner 3 жыл бұрын
All in all not so bad in the end. Good to look at a positive angle like that. If no over rev was logged have they still said mis shift or mechanical failure?
@eugenux
@eugenux 3 жыл бұрын
I was just about to ask that as well; if there is no over-revving logged on the ecu, it will be considered mech failure and be done under warranty?
@davidhunternyc1
@davidhunternyc1 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, I can't believe that tiny little engine has that much power. I would expect that engine to be in a 1968 Volkswagen Beetle but not in a 2021 GR Yaris. It's a technological marvel.
@muttenmagroo
@muttenmagroo 3 жыл бұрын
High compression + direct injection + turbo.
@davidhunternyc1
@davidhunternyc1 3 жыл бұрын
@@muttenmagroo ... otherwise known as hocus pocus + abracadabra + alacazam.
@jahyoda
@jahyoda 3 жыл бұрын
Completely Captivated by this
@paulkippax4530
@paulkippax4530 3 жыл бұрын
Cheers Robert for showing us around this mighty little engine!
@itscaptainterry
@itscaptainterry 3 жыл бұрын
I haven't watched the video yet, but I'm sure it's good
@RobertMitchell
@RobertMitchell 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Captain
@itscaptainterry
@itscaptainterry 3 жыл бұрын
Update: it was good
@kapsoztatoltott4537
@kapsoztatoltott4537 3 жыл бұрын
@@itscaptainterry confirmed
@6spdkeg
@6spdkeg 2 жыл бұрын
Big power, tiny parts. Got it. Are the valvetrain parts forged? Mainly talking about the rockers and small parts.
@totojejedinecnynick
@totojejedinecnynick 3 жыл бұрын
"I love open deck 3 cylinder engines" -noone, ever.
@RobertMitchell
@RobertMitchell 3 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@bastifantasti82
@bastifantasti82 3 жыл бұрын
@@RobertMitchell You have to do a closed deck conversion at subi performance.
@NightwalkerUK
@NightwalkerUK 3 жыл бұрын
🥸😂
@nsjaaron
@nsjaaron 3 жыл бұрын
Yeap close the deck
@davidofford7002
@davidofford7002 3 жыл бұрын
It really is great, from three, four or five points of view. You look like you are really enjoying working with thd dealer and their mechanics there. And, as you say, building a relationship! There has been super transparency - for everyone in the GR community - and us too, along for the ride. It feels so quick. And now great to take a rest. The GR, too, warm and happy inside.
@riseandshinesunshine
@riseandshinesunshine 3 жыл бұрын
God you’re such a good teacher ! That tops up on the fact that you’re always so humble. Such a good person you are !! I’m happy that I’m following Misha to discover you and to follow you as well now!
@howtorepairpendulumclocks
@howtorepairpendulumclocks 3 жыл бұрын
As always, thank you for high-quality no BS content. Those cam shafts and timing (VVT?) badgers are so beautifully made and finished. makes that car so such good value for money! (in relative terms).
@dehaviland7645
@dehaviland7645 3 жыл бұрын
Robert... This makes you tier A1+... Get some of that Misha...😁😁😁
@RobertMitchell
@RobertMitchell 3 жыл бұрын
@misha how are you going to handle this blatant disrespect?
@Sim-903
@Sim-903 3 жыл бұрын
Perhaps you should do more this kind of videos. Its way more cheaper and stress free in comparison to the driving videos. Calm and really good explained.
@jbu89gb
@jbu89gb 3 жыл бұрын
Were Toyota able to tell you what the max RPM was that the engine saw?
@mattyoz0
@mattyoz0 3 жыл бұрын
This is what I wanna know.
@ghostwrench2292
@ghostwrench2292 3 жыл бұрын
Not sure about Toyota but the PCM in a Ford Mustang GT350 told us the engine had revved in excess of 9,000 RPM. That car had been "money shifted" at a track and threw 2 connecting rods into the plastic oil pan and melted them into it. Also crushed the rod bearings and just massive mechanical carnage in that engine. It was pretty cool to see.
@GHOOGLEMALE
@GHOOGLEMALE 3 жыл бұрын
Yours is the sort of garage I need - I liked how they are to check that piston, but with a view to returning it to service. A good video and well presented
@billx4266
@billx4266 3 жыл бұрын
Would love to hire that car next summer
@RobertMitchell
@RobertMitchell 3 жыл бұрын
It’ll be ready ;-)
@dsman2968
@dsman2968 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Robert. Clear, simple and well explained...so we don't accidentally make the same mistake.
@unitx445
@unitx445 3 жыл бұрын
I just got more respect for car mechanics....that puzzle would take me a life time to put back togheter :D
@RobertMitchell
@RobertMitchell 3 жыл бұрын
It’s a hot damn mess
@ghostwrench2292
@ghostwrench2292 3 жыл бұрын
I'm a car mechanic. I absolutely LOVE doing that kind of engine work!
@ghoulbuster1
@ghoulbuster1 3 жыл бұрын
The nut inducing satisfaction when you put it all back up and it starts is pure nirvana.
@siimu111
@siimu111 3 жыл бұрын
@@ghostwrench2292 Problem is when engine is assembled, but there are still some parts left...
@AWD_T
@AWD_T 8 ай бұрын
That is catastrophic for any other engine. I’m impressed that there isn’t more damage. I’d be worried pushing these to its limits until there is a better rocker/bearing upgrade.
@kdoeone
@kdoeone 3 жыл бұрын
Oh weird. It's a three cylinder engine. Is there a turbo? I'll have to research this little car. It is turbo. How kool. Great vid.
@melvynkuan764
@melvynkuan764 3 жыл бұрын
That is a super clean Toyota workshop. Great access and explanation. Hope the Yaris gets back on the road soon.
@MrTrev69
@MrTrev69 3 жыл бұрын
Apex rocker arm keychains coming soon ✌
@RobertMitchell
@RobertMitchell 3 жыл бұрын
And necklaces
@bnight2
@bnight2 3 жыл бұрын
This is the valuable content I watch your channel for. Keep it coming. Hope your GR Yaris is back on the ring in no time.
@THENELLYXPRESS
@THENELLYXPRESS 3 жыл бұрын
I would still take out piston 1 to make sure it didn’t compress the piston rings !!!
@hfracing
@hfracing 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Recently helped check a 944turbo engine.. debris had hit the piston and the top ring was almost siezed in the grove as the piston had compressed a tiny amount.
@beepbop9
@beepbop9 3 жыл бұрын
Always amazes me seeing such a small form factor engine with 3 cylinders and knowing how much power these can throw out. Really feels like we're at peak petrol right now
@SuperWayneyb
@SuperWayneyb 3 жыл бұрын
Great content Robert, looks like you dodged a bullet and the damage is still,not good but far less than it could have been. So fingers crossed 👍🤓👍🇬🇧🙏
@trevorwilson2744
@trevorwilson2744 3 жыл бұрын
Pretty cool seeing this 3 cylinder. I work in the engine assembly department at the Toyota plant in Kentucky. Looks very similar to the 4 cylinders we build. Which I guess that'd be a given lol.
@Pit63
@Pit63 3 жыл бұрын
So the data log read out didn’t max out RPM over redline?
@RobertMitchell
@RobertMitchell 3 жыл бұрын
Nope
@Jonathan_Doe_
@Jonathan_Doe_ 3 жыл бұрын
Good to know!
@Pit63
@Pit63 3 жыл бұрын
@@RobertMitchell no over rev! So can you still negotiate for warranty/discount for Tie 1 influencers?
@RobertMitchell
@RobertMitchell 3 жыл бұрын
@@Pit63 I doubt it. I admitted that I did it so I’m sure that’s enough for them to say no.... right or wrong?
@Pit63
@Pit63 3 жыл бұрын
@@RobertMitchell at least you are open about it so they should do the warranty under the good well stand point of giving some discount / free parts ...although not much. It would be a happy ending somehow!
@phillipchandler8862
@phillipchandler8862 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting video of behind the scenes operations. All this diverse content makes for a great channel Robert.👌
@RobertMitchell
@RobertMitchell 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you’re enjoying Phillip !!!
@phillipchandler8862
@phillipchandler8862 3 жыл бұрын
@@RobertMitchell That must be the quickest reply ever.👍
@RobertMitchell
@RobertMitchell 3 жыл бұрын
@@phillipchandler8862 gotta stay on top of things :-)
@petrolheatt
@petrolheatt 3 жыл бұрын
Great tech-talk video Robert! But I really wonder whether the short (and probably slight) over-revving actually caused the damage or whether we'll see more of these damages with time. Hope not!
@RobertMitchell
@RobertMitchell 3 жыл бұрын
It very well could not have been the cause. But I don’t think we will ever know the true answer that
@Smt_Glaive
@Smt_Glaive 3 жыл бұрын
awesome car , and the engine deserves all the love and care its getting.
@darjanator
@darjanator 3 жыл бұрын
Dunno if you got lucky, or if it's just a good design by Toyota, but that does look like really minimal damage and I agree that it makes sense to replace all the rockers. If those are the engineered failure point, the others could well be on the way out. You gonna keep that piston? :D
@motamark
@motamark 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Robert for the in depth look at what went on with the over rev !
@jonleyton7905
@jonleyton7905 3 жыл бұрын
Really appreciate your video! Your next career should be as a diplomat!
@micsub
@micsub 3 жыл бұрын
Very informative to see the engine open on such a recent model, that's a very rare sight. As a future owner of a GR-4, I really appreciate you sharing these step by step videos of the Yaris engine failure story. This is also very good publicity for the Toyota Dealer near your place to let you into the workshop. Some other dealers should take this as an example !
@2of2DCH
@2of2DCH 3 жыл бұрын
I'm just here for details on the Tier 1 Mitchell Consulting jacket merch.
@RobertMitchell
@RobertMitchell 3 жыл бұрын
Stay tuned...
@brockwilliams5533
@brockwilliams5533 3 жыл бұрын
SIx or seven years ago a friend and I rented a 325i from a local provider, and alas my mate found 2nd whilst looking for 4th on his second lap of the day. The shape of that valve is very familiar - that following December, my mate received a Christmas card here in Australia from the car owner, with two very similar looking valves enclosed, cleaned and polished! An expensive souvenir but he can laugh about it now.
@user-od9iz9cv1w
@user-od9iz9cv1w 3 жыл бұрын
Looks like a Japanese motorcycle engine. I think it's interesting that we are seeing 3 cylinder engines in the Yaris, Mini Coopers and BMW I8. I guess it is a cost saving over 4 cylinder?
@Martin52863
@Martin52863 3 жыл бұрын
It’s a 3 cylinder like a Triumph so more like a Thai motorcycle engine😉
@sang3Eta
@sang3Eta 3 жыл бұрын
EU Emissions standards. They're taxing ICE sales over 99g/km now and giving that money via carbon credits to Elon Musk. Ignoring the fact that something like an VW ID.3 is 119g/km before you even put any electricity in it!
@ApfelmannYT
@ApfelmannYT 3 жыл бұрын
@@sang3Eta Thats obv a lie, but pls explain
@micsub
@micsub 3 жыл бұрын
@@Martin52863 A Tryota engine...
@micsub
@micsub 3 жыл бұрын
@@sang3Eta Well said man, even though I'm not sure about the Elon Musk part. However, you're absolutely absolutely right about the CO2 tax. In France to buy a Yaris GR-4, it's 6039 € CO2 tax (in 2021 - 7600 € in 2022) to add to the price tag. Won't see many GR-4's registered in France for sure. Many people that buy EV are not aware that the equivalent CO2 "weight" the construction of an EV and it's battery has before even starting to drive... They are so sure in helping the save the planet from us bad petrol head polluters...
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