The Difference Between Capacitors Supercapacitors And Batteries

[@GigsVT]

Heh I clicked on this mostly to see how you'd handle the ambiguity at the edges. You went straight for the jugular on that issue. This is getting to the fundamentals of knowledge in a way that I wish more people would spend some time thinking critically about. Excellent instructional material.

[@luisca92]

Have you looked into the work of Viktor Schauberger and/or Eric Dollard?

[@luisca92]

I think your answer was very satisfying. It's exactly what I needed to hear because the way I go about engineering is very unorthodox and a lot of times I struggle with the stablished set boundaries because I see it as you do I that things mostly differ in their qualitative properties

[@igloobearred]

Agreed

[@12thsonofisrael]

@Gigs I agree, he is an excellent instructor.

[@SlyerFox666]

I work in electronics and without a shadow of a doubt that's one of the best explanations of caps, super caps and batts I've ever heard. I really like the analogy with the balloon and the material it's made from... I might be nicking that as it's so accurate to explain caps from super caps in a nice simple manner people understand thank you 👍.

[@clivebarrell6448]

Can you imagine for a moment, the number of other KZbin videos one would need to sit through to piece together this much explanation. And it's all delivered here with such eloquence.

[@Alienami]

Which is why I love things like KZbin and Wikipedia for learning rapidly, and finding novel aspects that don't get mentioned much, which is often what I base my inventions on.

[@THEOGGUNSHOW]

Dido

[@99slacker999999999]

The coffee cup of a real Engineer.

[@wallycleaver8267]

I thought it was paint or something. He drank it! We should start a superfund to decontaminate that thing.

[@bobb.6393]

It's safe it was capacitor oil. Go fund me would be quicker.

[@jeremiahsummers8054]

It's just seasoned, like you would a good skillet.

[@brothernobody1775]

always saw a battery like a sponge full of water and the capacitor as a pitcher. i like your analogy much more.

[@valveman12]

"There is a degree of CHAIRNESS" Love it! Permission to use it🤗 BTW, I made a crank generator with supercaps I bought from China. Although I am not confident the supercap specs are correct, I can run led lights for hours, or change my phone using a small voltage regulator.

[@mamupelu565]

You did that with a regular supercap?

[@valveman12]

@@mamupelu565 I don't know what a regular supercap is, but I did make a crank generator that charges a bank of supercaps. The output of the bank is about 14VDC. Works very well.

[@philipvernejules9926]

.....you probably don't mean the turntable motor from a microwave as your generator . Otherwise what was your choice for generator

[@davestech6357]

If a lithium ion battery works that way. Why can't you fold it on itself and it would be charged again? Or have a separator that has opposite poles and can be moved to charge it up?

[@Buzzhumma]

Interesting concept 🤔

[@justinw1765]

I'm going to channel Robert via consciousness inductance: "Give it a go mate, and see how it goes."

[@Buzzhumma]

Justin W is concious inductance where you knock your tin foil hats together ? 😂

[@justinw1765]

@@Buzzhumma His is tin, mine is potassium metal, so we get a greater potential. Sparks fly... ; )

[@grindupBaker]

Misspeak at 11:27 "it stores a lot of power" S.B. "it delivers a lot of power" because power cannot be stored as the video bloke knows but misspeaks. Similarly "delivers" or "provides" or similar S.B. used for power (with or without qualifiers such as "peak", as applicable) and not "has a lot of power" or similar. The key is that the phrase must imply a time element for power.

[@martynjones973]

Fully agree 👍 ps just made a super cap with parcel packaging paper ( no clay in it ) panted both sides with pva and graphite polished the surfaces then added stadium sulphate to some shoe glue or should I say Ethyl acetate methylcydohexane which also acts as the separator then used it to stick on two aluminium current collectors, works very well and the electrolyte doesn’t dry out 👍 .. trying to put together a quick charge array to catch my wind turbine ,wind gusts in the garden so far so good, my lead acid batteries would be to slow and miss the power from the turbine in my garden.

[@aquarionh2o132]

Yup. Couldn’t have said it better m’self. All energy storage devices. How you want the energy to come out determines which you choose.😎👍

[@chrisgriffiths2533]

"Catergorisation", Well Put RMS. Interesting Initials Robert. So Theoretically, We Build a Hybrid Capacitor/Battery. Which I Now Call the CapBat or BatCap. Thankyou Robert for Encouraging this Invention Out of Me. Oh, The Super Cap is Already a CapBat?. Thankyou RMS for the Wisdom of a Chemist.

[@stuffoflardohfortheloveof]

Aah.....a question I wanted to ask but too afraid to do so...👍 Anyway, I think I may be even more confused now (but in a positive, inquisitive way). Thanks Rob. PS don’t let my elderly mother see that mug or she’ll be over there to putbleach in it 😂

[@Buzzhumma]

Really glad you said “wheres the difference damn it “ as i have been thinking i must be missing something and resigned to not understanding the physical difference enough ! 😂

[@williamarmstrong7199]

If you are not confused you are not fully aware of all the facts ;)

[@Buzzhumma]

william armstrong lol 😂

[@aspitefulrose7001]

In this episode of "KZbin is better than school".... 6 minutes in and i'm already impressed by your delivery and subbed to the channel.

[@TheSadButMadLad]

Good example about the difference between a stool and a table, it's the function not the look that defines it and being fixated on the look can take you down the wrong alley. In these trying times, it's a good analogy to use in terms of race and identity. So it's better to look at a person's function or personality rather than their identity or race and to get fixated on race is going down the wrong alley.

[@scottwoodard3850]

Brilliant approach to the comprehension and classification of the phenomena! So pleased to have found this channel!

[@joohop]

Rob I've Just Built An Ebike With A Homemade LiOn Battery But I Put A Big Juicy 15000 uF 63 volt RS Capacitor In Parallel With The Battery Pack , Why ? Because My Thinking Is That When I Pull The Throttle The Sag On The Battery Will Be Soaked Up By The Capacitor . I'm Gonna Do A Little Video About The Bike Soon Explaining The Setup And More Have A Great Day Earthling

[@ktm42080]

You are very good at presenting ideas and discussion.

[@NorthernKitty]

I'm feeling much better about my fuzzy understanding of the differences being due to the differences actually being somewhat fuzzy. 😋 And any technical explanation that involves balloons (or flowers, for future reference) will automatically get a "thumb's up" from me!! 😄

[@AndreaDingbatt]

Thank you, I appreciate your explanation, and understand it! I have spent a lot of time working with animals, horses in particular. And an analogy, I used to be a little confused by one person who looked down on heavy horses, but they'd be throwing daft money at a thoroughbred... I obviously learned very quickly, and I would never try to plough a field, or pull heavy equipment, with a thoroughbred.... Likewise, I'd not enter a race, on a Clydsdale.... One has an explosive energy release, but that's it. Whereas, the 2nd has great power, but its discharged at a slower pace. Now, before I disappear down a certain rabbit - hole... What I'm trying to say is Thank You!! You are so good at explaining these things, even I am regaining my grasp on them!! I was an apprentice aircraft engineer, with the WRAF, (showing my age, Lol!) But, returned home, to look after my mother, I was Lucky enough to learn about Ham-Radio, from my Dad. As well as car maintenance, at College. And lots of other stuff too. I am having to relearn a great deal, after a Traumatic head injury, so at least I am lucky enough, to have a passion and interest... At the time of life, many folks are resting on their Laurels!! Graphene, has my attention now, and I am saving up, to Join and to buy some things for experimentation!! XxX.

[@biogreenz6613]

What a very complicated topic, thank you for breaking it down in such fine detail. I like the idea of solar and capacitors but I've always been a bit intimidated because lack of understanding and risk of shock. They seem like a good buffer to use as for the load from panel to capacitor to DC converter or ac inverter. I like the idea of usable solar energy with a detected battery but I guess in that senario it might be concierge a battery idk. Have you tested all the new buck boost converters from China lately? I don't know why but I'm fainted by there different specs. They also seem to do well from a panel to a load apliance. Great video!

[@BoB4jjjjs]

Capacitors are an interesting subject and not straight forward. I have some in the shed that would blow the tip of a screwdriver away! Don't ask how I know! They are quite large and store up a lot of energy, they can be made to release it slowly or all at once, all at once can be quite spectacular. They are of the size you do not want to play with. I had even bigger ones, but I got rid of them as they were just to dangerous to keep if they got a charge.

[@philipvernejules9926]

.......I trust you're aware that they bounce back after what appears to be a completed discharge. So the next day they'll still deliver a shock. Why is this , and has any tertiary student done a PhD in the matter, it's rhetorical statement .

[@Electronzap]

Energy storage is complex stuff.

[@ArtisticImpressionsbyBobRouth]

Great Job Rob !!! Your talks are my favorite part of your show. If you went on for an hour I'd be on the edge of my chair. You have a gift and your know how to use it. Bravo mate!

[@terieffo8]

As a retired 76 year old engineer I thought I had a reasonable grasp of electronics but Robert has opened up my view of different ways of looking at things and how much there is to discover. Thanks

[@ylluminate]

Rob, FANTASTIC video: great imagery, superior explanation and wonderful details + pertinent brief history! I have the same perception and need that you do essentially, so this video resonated very keenly. I've tried to explain this to others time and time again in a similar way - but never very successfully since I didn't use the "categorization" / "function" function. THANK YOU! And yes, your remarks about loudness are spot on and it's a terrible challenge in this insane world and society today! :D

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

so glad you liked it mate - cheers

[@ylluminate]

@@ThinkingandTinkering more than like - I appreciate and value it. I love hearing your perspective and insight.

[@alaingrignon]

Rob, where can I hire someone like you?? :)

[@markflint9089]

I've been waiting for this video! GREAT answer! Thank you.

[@alicebingham9796]

This is fantastic, and a very good way to explain any number of things that dont have definite edges between two things

[@hootiebubbabuddhabelly]

The fact is, even the experts don't know what all capacitors and/or supercapacitors can do. When asked about replacing a car battery with a 12V supercapacitor bank, one expert claimed it would take a whole car full to do the job a battery does but, for those who are familiar with lasersaber's work, we know that 's absolutely WRONG. SO wrong that it makes expertise look like retardation. Which it is! Expertise is the retardation of exploration. NObody explores what they believe they already know. We just have to play with them - preferably without burning the house down or blowing ourselves up - so we can find OUT what they can do. It's no different than the experts who claimed the Wright brothers were lying scammers and, eventually, faking flight. Personally, I'd like to SEE the blueprints and specs of ANY apparatus they believe COULD fake flight!

[@jnathanbush1780]

Capacitors n batteries, alternators n generators, compressors n air pumps, 5G n millimeter waves..... 🤔 Thin lines between things... 🤣🤣🤣

[@3dmaker699]

Thanks Robert , clears things up for me .

[@stevemileman5635]

Absolutely brilliant. Of interest to anyone, but specifically those not necessarily interested in energy storage problems. I rate Robert as one of the best speakers (and experts) I have listened to this year. He knows his subject. But that is not enough to keep him going. What does it all mean? Thanks, Rob. I want to add this, merely as an observation having watched many such videos, Rob explains something so fundamental that I am embarrassed for the other KZbinrs who even attempt the subject. That is, to my mind, the gap, being inversely proportional to the capacitance, ceases to be of significance in the definition of what it is but becomes decisive as a definition of what it can no longer do.

[@davidandrews2883]

Great explanation on a subject that has puzzled me for some time. Thank you.

[@surfingcuriositywaves4046]

The first three minutes of this video are a wonderfully concise presentation of a way of thinking that all of us can benefit from. As a teacher of economics, I greatly appreciate the promotion of thinking aids and understanding the limits of them (as you say, when it becomes error). Well done, and thank you for the delightful presentations.

[@bobvincent5921]

Thanks. Home truths come first!

[@mamupelu565]

What a wealth of knowledge!

[@johnx9318]

Now I know why capacitors have always been difficult for me to understand! Great video. Very impressive in one take too. Thank you.

[@user-xc2yc3vz5e]

Spot on! clear as crystal! Now I have even more questions, admire your show and efforts!

[@lubbock2704]

Humans love clearcut, well defined, and exact boundaries. unfortunately, nature is like *Gradients and Spectrums everywhere!*

[@hotrod639]

How would you step down the 20kv from a coil to 12v, with out losing all the amperage? It's something I've been playing with for some time!

[@vengeancetechnologies1792]

I DISSAGREE AND AM ALL CAPS BUT FEEL THE NEED TO MAKE IT LOUDER. whoa.. so let's not jump to aluminum hats.. but what was that barium alloy or oxide u mentioned? in the idea of weather mod what if anything would we be doing with altering the charges in the jet stream if the metal hat crowd is on to anything. nano particles floating would be a very low alteration per two floating plates.. but macro scale.. not suggesting I belive anything mentioned or not.. just playing with grey matter.. or uh fiddling on lol I do see some merit to some of those theories. what is weather besides air currents generated by temp differences trying to equal out? usually electrical energy translates to heat and motion.. sometimes if u look at it wrong or discharge it bellow the cut off voltage and don't mind the battery caves stalactites and wowzers are those caps for 4 or 5g modems and multi ghz applications freaking expensive per unit

[@yagotitcovered5920]

Malcolm Bendall used a 100nm UV lamp to excite the air in his plasmoid generator wonder if that would help on your set up, 🤔

[@cynthiagreer6049]

Just got inspired on what I can try with my atmospheric antenna. This might just change my garden next year. Had positive results trying to harness électroculture principles drawing off magnetic field with diferent alloys... thank you for vidéo!

[@matthodson3176]

Hi Pal :)) Many blessings for your the man I think quite genuinely my friend, I love all your many Power Gen videos very much and in that light I have been sat upon a genuine perpetual engine I'd dearly appreciate your canny with and subscribers ultimately public domain viewing asim especially somewhat oppression at odds with my actually doing this as is now for sometime now and feel that inb

[@markhodgson2348]

So you could make a capacitor out of anything........gold wood gold ,in a very dry atmosphere

[@gordonenns8084]

Well explained. I have a question which will show how little I understand this all. Batteries hold lots of energy for a long time, but take a long time to charge. Capacitors hold a lot of energy, charge very quickly, but also discharge quite quickly. Would it be possible to replace 1/3 of the batteries in a EV with capacitors. Charge the capacitors quickly at a charging station, then charge the batteries from the capacitors over a bit longer time. The batteries would run the EV. Could this not be a way of shortening the charging time for the EV at the charging station? If you could get a full charge in a couple of minutes, the distance you could travel on a charge would become less important.

[@philipvernejules9926]

.....I won't say anything about analogies using balloons except I probably will say something . Way back in the sixties Julius Sumner Miller demonstrated a phenomenon that was counter intuitive using balloons . His lectures appear to be available here ...

[@captainscarlet6758]

There wont be a thumbs down from me mate.👍 I think im starting to get it. 🤔

[@TheRichardgomm]

I kind of view capacitors as a method of storing otherwise wasted energy. A kind of hopper for excess energy. But what do I know!

[@Unpopular_0pinion]

Would it also be accurate to use a sponge instead of a balloon for comparison? With different material representing different sponges with varying capacities for absorption/storage of charge? And that when the saturation point is reached you run the risk of the charge attempting to neutralize itself somewhere? Thanks for any reply :) Love/appreciate you guys

[@OldMysticFantasist]

I considered giving this a thumbs down just because you said "thumbs be down" , but as I did enjoy the video, appreciate the explanation, & am ever conscious of the KZbin algorithm(s), I resisted the urge to tease.

[@scantrain5007]

Dear Rob, you are right: Not everybody will be happy with your reply. I myself are on that way, that the 'borders' between supercaps and batteries are floating. Depend on materials of construction. And I'm with you to stay in strict cathegories: A cher is not the same if constructed for different purposes. As far as I undersood the livetime (cycles) from a supercap is much higher as for example a led acid battery; not even talking about carbon zinc battery. Finally: The simplest verifying are the best to explain. And that's what you did when you mentioned the pipe with water and press it in a baloon. Quit easy to understand!

[@denbartley2745]

You should’ve called this capacitors, super capacitors and batteries for dummies because I’m a dummy and I get it. Thank you very much!

[@jessicalee333]

Really excellent epistemology lecture. Categories and definitions are things people created - TOOLS to navigate reality, not reality itself. Use them as long as they are useful, and drop them as soon as they are limiting. The real world and nature and forces and even people have too many grey areas for us to cope with, but when we have to face a grey area we can't just retreat to our comfortable categories and say anything that doesn't fit is prohibited or doesn't exist. The messy version is the real world, the clean version is the fake we made to make things simpler for ourselves (and it would be hard to understand anything if we didn't). It brings to mind Magritte's painting of a tobacco pipe labelled "Ceci n'est pas une pipe." (This is not a pipe). No matter how perfectly it represents the thing, it is not the thing. If it were a pipe, you could smoke it!

[@gideonrl]

Having worked on this subject a few years now, largely resulting from your inspiration Rob, this is a a neat encapsulation of the difficulty with , 'defining the issue'. Thanks

[@NyghthawkesImagination]

I like the fact your explanations make you think therefore you learn. How do you feel about the statement. "Plumbers, electricians, and those who work on pneumatic and hydraulic systems are using the same principles in their jobs

[@davidhilton7780]

Thanks again for sharing this, I found the relation between the three fascinating, and also have a similar view. I have spent a lot of time and research in this same field of energy storage and I also have had some to the same understanding as you have, thanks again.

[@shanejohns7901]

Those so-called 'Platonic Forms' are nonsense. There is no Platonic realm with 'chairness' in it. Why would there be? To believe that there is such a realm is to assume a special place and a special time for the moment you lock onto. Where does 'dogness' go when there haven't been any dogs on the planet for hundreds of thousands of years, and the last human to remember what a dog was is long long gone?

[@daveryman1]

Wow. Sorry, rather speechless, because someone has managed to clarify something that never seems to get explained.

[@jimmurphy5355]

To me, a device that has two terminals and reversibly absorbs and returns charge in proportion to the voltage across those terminals looks a lot like a capacitor. That is my functional (as opposed to structural) view of a capacitor. Do the energy storage devices you are developing act like that? Do they pretty closely obey the rule of Q=K*V? On the other hands, my functional view of a (rechargeable) battery is a two terminal device that reversibly absorbs and returns charge at a nearly constant voltage. Do the energy storage devices you are developing act like this instead? Or like your stool that holds a cup and becomes an end table, are they somewhere on a continuum between those two extremes?

[@leetaylor221]

So, and it always starts with a so... storage of power in today's terms is the ultimate goal, I.e. we all want a car to travel endlessly on the power of a solar panel? My understanding of capacitance and batteries is that a capacitor can deliver a high voltage, but little current, however a battery can deliver high current..for a larger period of time, so, and bear with me here.. can we provide a capacitance battery? I only ask because I'm not that intellectual, in other words, is it possible to use a combination of lithium within a capacitance environment, with a drop through hole effect to charge additional plates? Sorry it might sound like I'm looking for the flux capacitor, but I'm really interested in this kind of technology and could probably do with learning a little more.

[@jamest.5001]

It's a black and white world, only when you look close at the fine line between, it's about 50 shades of grey! Nothing wrong with thinking inside the box, if you have a big box, the ideas will be even greater, if you think outside the box, no matter the size!

[@PetraKann]

Do you distinguish between Ultracapacitors and supercapacitors? I consider batteries as electrochemical devices. Specifically when the charge is released from the battery, a chemical reaction must take place. This is not a requirement for a capacitor. If the Surface dynamics described in a supercapacitor do not involve an actual chemical reaction, then I dont consider such a device as a battery.

[@kom2falcon]

So it's like Darwin talked about in the Origin of Species. What we categorize today as clearly different species would become far more of a grey area if we could have studied the creatures millions of years ago before the genetic branching took place. In this case human "fiddling about" may come to separate the components more in the future but at this point in time the divisions aren't as clear. Very nice job and kudos of a very impressive use of your lock-down time with video and project production at an all time high.

[@mikeconnery4652]

Excellent information, good explination, and kind of a way to develope a course of action.

[@royharkins7066]

Love the analogy’s , my head hurts every time I watch , I’m learning 😊

[@jamest.5001]

And ppl. were wondering why Elon was into a super cap company, and lithium battery company,

[@joemeyer6876]

Old airplane mechanic here, always fascinated with the notion That lithium ion batteries store amperage first then store the voltage, and that once discharged below 2.5 volts they can’t be recharged, then there’s that nasty runaway heating that turns into fire. Do super caps have stability issues too?

[@scottthomas6202]

In the words of my grandfather , " Few things are written in stone"... there's a lot of gray areas in real life . I think some city buses use capacitors instead of batteries , and it makes sense. Frequent short trips , and quick charging while people are getting on and off the bus. I would guess these supercapacitors would have a far longer life than batteries for that particular purpose.

[@codedesigns9284]

Thank you for helping to understand the grey-areas between these devices. 😊👍

[@lovemovement8808]

You said your definitions weren't very satisfying but quite the contrary. A rigid definition would be very unsatisfying and leave us with more questions than answers but you are pulling back the curtain so we can see it all.

[@TheSadButMadLad]

Forget about all the differences between capacitors, super capacitors and batteries just concentrate on one thing - it was one take! Being able to talk for 20 minutes about a subject with no notes but just your own knowledge of the subject indicates that you know the subject inside and out.

[@Alienami]

Everything is on a spectrum... And not everyone can appreciate that.

[@12thsonofisrael]

So many folks have not sat in a lab where there is no instructor, only text and tools. While there is much power there for learning how to learn, having an instructor talk about a subject using his or her on concepts is more like watching a ship's captain vs a teacher. The watching the captain teaches you to respect the art of knowing how finesse comes from experience. The teacher returns you to the text until you can reproduce what the book teaches. Which can be crippling.

[@ryanlebeck259]

Considering the Dunass Effect, what are your thoughts?

[@iGaRaai90]

Random question, are those new compact booster packs made from super Capacitors?

[@rorylobban4789]

To be fair as a mere carpenter this has (not entirely) gone over my head. But I’m going to watch it a few more times in an effort to understand it.

[@richardr1891]

I don't think you should teach a Sex Education Class to adolescents ...

[@ChaseLindberg]

I love your videos but damn man wash your coffee cup! ;-)

[@charleshalsey548]

Going to watch just for the cadence... and the accent...Bhut✌️

[@christopherthumm4348]

Just like that chair Robert and his podcast has transformed into something far more important

[@donaldburkhard7932]

Also same chair could be used as many different things, so use has lots to do with it. Function.

[@diablominero]

A capacitor is a device that stores charge and energy in a capacitance. Batteries differ from capacitors in that they release charge at about the same voltage for a large amount of the charge they can release, rather than having voltage be proportional to the amount of charge remaining.

[@jamest.5001]

Is it a SUPER capacitor, or a really crappy BATTERY!

[@a.k.4550]

Excellent video, thanks for sharing!

[@earlwilson6153]

Battery banks need super capacitors to increase life span for solar purpose s

[@bobbyluck8953]

So I'm an enthusiastic, and novice at that. This is the most common question I too recieve 😂

[@benniedonald]

I'm going to take a guess at it. The difference is the capacity. LOL

[@BillHester2011]

The chip in that mug is what gives absolute credence to every word uttered!

[@terrytedder958]

Robert have you looked at the liquid metal battery for storage of power

[@jr-pl9kj]

i wonder what would happen if you connect a electret to a super capacitor or a series of?

[@tebbi67]

punctiliously correct! thx for the video

[@TheRogey1]

I wish you were my Science teacher many years ago😞

[@mohsenkarimabadi6019]

Why supercapacitors need a vacuum?

[@waynegnarlie1]

Thanks Rob! You've inspired me start using the Graphene Ink I bought from you last year. Thank you for your great information as always.

[@AndreaDingbatt]

@Wayne Slater If you have any spare left over, and are not in need of it, for a while.... May I buy your excess, and I'd pay for P&P. If not, then Thank you anyway. And, get back to us with your results please?! Have a great weekend. Namaste, Andrea, Jasper and George the Pigeon. XxX

[@waynegnarlie1]

@@AndreaDingbatt Is Rob no longer producing it? I'm not sure how much I am going to need at this point but I will happy to share any remaining. My project with it is ending in May. Do you have need of a small sample for analysis?

[@AndreaDingbatt]

@@waynegnarlie1 Thank you so much for your kind offer!❣️ I hope all is going well for you. And, I am certain that it's still available, but I think it's only for ppl who have joined, Rob... I am a bit skint currently, so I will have to save up.... (Don't worry, not a hint!) So, no problem, I am grateful for your kindness, but it's alright, I will eventually be able to afford to be a member of Roberts KZbin chemist's, etc.. 🙂 Thank you, I appreciate your very kind reply and offer!! Have a Beautiful weekend. Namaste.❤️🙂 Andrea, Jasper and George the Pigeon. XxX.

[@planktonfun1]

capacitors are easier to make than batteries

[@goliath257]

Almost a gender metaphor.

[@travismoore7849]

If only you could mix an acid with wax with nano carbon and combine that with a high surface area cathode and anode for a battery electret of some sort that combines aspects of batteries and capacitors and electrets.

[@travismoore7849]

Though I have to wonder could a nano structure bend electric or magnetic fields in a motionless system to make power by diamagnetic deflection in the electrodes or structure of an electret.

[@wiesejay]

Plato wants a chat with you