USMC 3 Season Sleeping Bag vs. Military Modular Sleeping System Bag

[@robertsbushcraft]

Check out our $1 hack for the woodland bivy sack here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fIvYoaGcpdWlabs

[@roypaulcarter4654]

I used both while in the Marine corps the older system is much warmer. I do use the new gortex cover with the old system because I like the face net. If you buy three of the poncho liners with the zipper you can add them or remove them as needed to control your comfort level. Much easier to wash. You will not suffocate if you close it all up while inside because gortex breaths. Nice post

[@robertsbushcraft]

SEMPER FI, Roy! It is good to hear your opinion, especially after having used both systems, on these bags. I myself prefer the 3S with ECW bag. The improved bivy cover is a fantastic piece of gear. I agree 100% that you will not in fact suffocate when inside either of these bivy sacks. Thank you for your service and taking the time to leave a comment. OOHRAH

[@texasroots]

Love your father and son team. Thanks for the side by side review of these sleep systems. I bought a surplus MSS system last year. I just don't think the system is going to be as warm as my down puffy bags. For example, I have two 20 degree down bags, one expands to 5" and one expands to 6". That's the measurement I take by laying the bag out on the ground, giving it a day or two to fully loft, then measuring how high the top(chest area) is off the ground. Typically 5" is good down to 25F and 6" down to 15F. With the intermediate bag inside the patrol bag I am getting about 4.5" of loft. I recognize mine is surplus, not new, and a new system could have more loft. I also question the longevity of synthetic insulation in these vs down. What does your MSS loft measure? I am in the northeast and in the winter I'll still use my 20 degree bag and sleep in puffy(down) jacket and pants and have been plenty warm on my coldest night of -15F. Benefit of the down pants is also being warm around camp; our winter mountains are usually covered in feet of snow so no fire.

[@robertsbushcraft]

Hey thanks, texasroots! You hit the nail on the head with the layers you're wearing with your bags. I've heard of people claiming to sleep deep in the negatives while wearing nothing but boxers and t-shirts in these military bags and I personally just don't see how. I've tried that in the mid twenty degree temps and was cold! The military bags are part of system built around base layers and outer layers (silk weights all the way to happy suit) for extreme cold. The patrol bag alone is supposed rated for between 50f/30f degrees and the black bag 30f/-10f alone. The system is said to provide insulation down to -30f with proper layers. I can't speak to that because we don't get anywhere near that cold here down in northeastern NC. I believe Climashield is the insulation in the bags and I'm guessing the loft is not going to be the same as you would have with a down bag (I don't have down).

[@noblewolf7175]

Regarding the modular 3 sleeping bag. When using all three pieces the black cold weather bag goes inside the green patrol bag. This is because the black bag has a neck baffle and the green bag does not. Also never completely enclose yourself in the system because you will suffocate. The Gore-tex bivy bag completely seals for when you are not inside the system.

[@robertsbushcraft]

I haven't had any issue with breathing inside of the bivy but I have had issue with condensation build-up. A little ventilation can sure go a long way. Thanks for watching and commenting, Noble Wolf!

[@Sertao2013]

Goretex does not stop the flow of air. You can put a fan on one side and feel the air coming through the other side . It is impossible to suffocate when surrounded by goretex..where do you people get your info from ?

[@allwaysinquire6212]

@@Sertao2013 nope your wrong goretex is windproof so the air won't move from one side to the other! ( If the wind goes through it it's not goretex) they make a gas permeable goretex just for the reason that you could suffercate if zipped up ( ever civilian goretex bivi has this warning on it for that reason) the Dutch goretex vivid are the gas permeable one had one and you sleep fine zipped up my old goretex one no

[@Sertao2013]

@@allwaysinquire6212 Listen to this video start at 1:00 into it he said it allows air and water vapors to except . Think about it which is smaller air molecules or water vapors ? That's right air molecules . They are so small you can't see them . That's pretty small . What makes you think that a fabric that has enough space between the material to allow water vapors out is going to stop air from passing through ? All you have to do is put your mouth against gortex and suck in air . kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZSWoquCZreXfqM

[@almightytwee1188]

I always did green inside black

[@tacticalranger1046]

It’s like you’re reviewing everything I want . Born and raised in N.C. , and a student of UNC-Chapel Hill . Great reviews , subbed !

[@robertsbushcraft]

Military gear is so cool, isn't it? North Carolina is where it's at my friend! We appreciate the view and the sub!

[@williammitchell7948]

Like the review! Not sure if anyone has said this in the comments yet (if they have, sorry for repeating it) Gortex is the brand name of PTFE which stands for polytetrafluoroethylene which is really the same thing. Other interesting fact about PTFE is that is the same thing as Teflon in nonstick cook wear.

[@robertsbushcraft]

Hey thanks for the knowledge, William!

[@archangel20031]

For that Sawer water filter, you might want a 2 foot long piece of clear tubing leading to the bladder just so that if there is any river water on the outside of that bag he is squeezing, it does not drip into that bladder he is filling!

[@robertsbushcraft]

That's a great suggestion!

[@tbrew8222]

I suggest silicone tubing. I have filters that came with this, that where folded up for years on end packed away. Springs right to shape and no kinks. I also carry an inline charcoal filter for metals, chemicals or whatever and chlorine dioxide (ie:aquamira) for the last step in case I cant boil. cheap setup but you could drink from an african savanah pond if you had to.

[@TheTiger669]

You guys are fantastic just benn searching for new bivy my woodland park lining is coming apart and someone clipped my tyvek bivy when I hung it out to dry. I'm in the tropics. I start layering at 75°

[@robertsbushcraft]

When the temps fall below 90 here I detect a chill in the air :)

[@BaroudeurAventure]

Goretex is a PTFE treatment which is basically teflon. PTF doesn't warranty the same performances but it possibly can be as good as what's branded as Goretex.

[@ContraIsBased]

thanks for the info

[@ericluther1872]

I do like the new United States Marine three season sleeping bag because of the sinner zip. But pound for pound which ones the lighter one of the two and are they equal on keeping you decently warm that in the patrol bag.

[@robertsbushcraft]

As far as weight is concerned, the newer USMC issue sleep system is lighter than the older MMSS. The USMC system replaced the snaps and buttons for loops and tabs in the bags and bivy. The bivy is slightly smaller and that helped with weight reduction. Plus, it's coyote brown. I love that color.

[@robertsbushcraft]

As far as warmth is concerned, they both are fairly even in comfort. Both systems rely on the user wearing proper base layers. Six degrees Fahrenheit is the coldest we've slept in the newer system, ten degrees being the coldest for the older MMSS. With base layers, we could not tell much of a difference, if any, between the two in terms of warmth.

[@ericluther1872]

@@robertsbushcraft NC doesn’t get that cold lol I’m located near the Uwharrie mountains area of NC. Try the Uwharrie out sometime.

[@robertsbushcraft]

This past winter, we hit those lows.

[@JohnDoe-cd6ro]

*Pro tip for the camelbak... You can attach an inline filter to it, fill the camelbak straight from your water source, and drink filtered water right from the straw. It elimates the fuss of having to refill the squeeze bag and the fuss of squeezing itself. The only downside is maintenance, as you're gonna have to make sure you clean the bag and straw thoroughly before storing it long-term. But its not much of a downside if you clean your camelbak regularly anyway.* *And for those with ALICE packs, a lumbar camelbak fits like a glove perfectly into the radio pouch. Almost like the radio pouch was made for the lumbar CamelBak.*

[@robertsbushcraft]

I do prefer to keep the reservoir as clean as possible. Thank you for the tip!

[@adventuresoftheuneducatedh7813]

Black bag goes inside green bag when using both

[@robertsbushcraft]

That's how it was designed. Through our use of it we've found the system to be warmer with the green bag inside of the black bag.

[@robertsbushcraft]

@@duffelbagdrag 1. Something to that effect is mentioned in the video. 2. The real reason that black goes inside the green is because the black ECW bag has the storm/draft collar whereas the patrol bag does not. In extreme cold, the warm air must stay in and cold air out. Regardless, when this set is used I have a way that I like to use it, and that is the green inside of the black. Is it warmer one way over the other? Hard for me to tell, honestly. The layers that are worn are fantastic cold buffers. Can you wear your sweater outside of your puffy coat? Sure! I just prefer it the other way around. The USMC sleep system is designed for the coyote patrol bag to fit inside of the ECW black bag, and then into the USMC IBC (Improved bivy cover). I'm not sure why they designed it like this, but, I like it better than the older MMSS.

[@johnsaldivar2619]

The pamphlet or piece of literature that is shown @ 8:50 , on How to Stay Warm, can that be downloaded in PDF from somewhere or does it have a specific Military part number or common name? Thank you!

[@natashaball316]

I have found that using your canteen cup as water scoop, helps fill your sawyer squeeze bag fully and with less hassle!

[@robertsbushcraft]

Great tip, Natasha!

[@leekay1588]

Where can you get the booklet?

[@arlenewolf5260]

For Prepairdness concerns, this is a no brainer. Basically 4 season vs 3 season. I was in the back of my pick up with a Lear topper and BedRug in 20 degrees f, waiting for the local 511 Store in Knoxville to open for their grand opening. I had a Mr. Buddy LP heater. I shut it off to see if it would be needed. I did not wake up until the next morning and I stayed warm as toast. I am in the Foothills of the Great Smokey Mountains. I keep these bags in the back of my truck in the winter for emergency prepairdness. I feel confident if my truck broke down and there was no cell service, I would not have any exposure to the elements issues or concerns. Not only would I not freeze, but I would also be comfortable until assistance arrived.

[@robertsbushcraft]

We prefer the newer bags over the older MMSS. That said, you can't go wrong with either one. Not freezing is the name of the game, being comfortable during the process? That's just pure GRAVY!

[@arlenewolf5260]

@@robertsbushcraft Hi Roberts, Prepping is much more than that. Although being a minamalist has benefits, when you are interested in emergency prepairdness, comfort eliminates stress. My wife and I are not youngsters any more. I prep hoping to have my preps make every day life (or emergencies) easier if I need them. Weather it is just helping somebody find an earing or contact lens (because I have a flashlight), or getting some use of a milti tool that I or others might not otherwise have. So if there is a need for a sleeping bag to come out of my emergency gear, weather it is due to a vehicle break down or a change of the weather for the worst, I will choose the 4 season Extreme Cold Weather, Military Sleep System. I do change some of my preps based on the season, and there obviously would be times that Extreme Cold Weather Gear gear might not be necessary (like a warm summer night), but if it is packed with my emergency gear, if it is not unreasonable I will pack the best I can with me. Keep up the great videos.

[@madhacker7]

You have your MSS bags in the wrong order. The intermediate bag goes inside the patrol bag.

[@robertsbushcraft]

It was designed that way but we've found it to be warmer to have the green inside of the black. Weird, yes? Thanks for taking a moment to watch and leave a comment, madhacker7!

[@Sertao2013]

Who ever told you to put the thinner layer on the out side facing the cold was badly mistaken .the thinner layer will not slow down the cold before it reached the thicker layer. When you put a thin layer first you are just waiting space . It's like putting a t shirt over your coat and going out side . Not to smart. When you dress for cold weather camping you dress in layers. You put the thinnest layer closest to your body and add thicker layers as you go away from your skin. You don't put on the coat first do you ? No so why would you think you would do that with sleeping layers? Because some idiot told you to ? Sometimes you just have to use a little common sense and not do things just because someone told you to.

[@madhacker7]

@@Sertao2013 Why so hostile? Simply pointing out how the manual lays it out. Take a step back and deep breath. You may live longer.

[@Sertao2013]

@@madhacker7 sorry didn't mean it that way.

[@manitobabushcraftingandrev9592]

just to give you and idea of what iv experienced in Canada is iv slept comfortable with proper layering (with poly long johns,the l3 fleece and regular poly clothes, the l7 big puff suit) in the old mmss down to -35c not counting wind chill, which the goretex blocks out completely but i dislike the side zippers as they are a pain to get done up, id much prefer the central zip, and wonder how the improved system with the ecw bag would handle the arctic temps we get here in winter?.

[@robertsbushcraft]

That is COLD temps! We don't get anywhere near that cold here in North Carolina! I honestly can't tell a difference between how well each system keeps me warm. In our climate here I'd have no issue taking either one with me. But as mentioned in the video rarely do we see single digit temps, and, negative temps are even more rare. But what we have experienced here is that both bags do keep us warm when paired with proper layered clothing. The performance of the bags in my opinion is on a fairly even field. It's the extras that make me choose the IBC and 3S Bag with ECWB over the older MMSS. The center zip, the improved bivvy, and I happen to be a coyote brown junkie.

[@manitobabushcraftingandrev9592]

​@@robertsbushcraft coyote brown is my fav too! but those filbe rucks with assault pack pouches and camelback cost $1000 in band new condition. I personally have the ilbe ruck, so im a marpat fan aswell, iv also have a coyote brown flc vest that iv turned into my most used gear carrier instead of mags and stuff.

[@robertsbushcraft]

@@manitobabushcraftingandrev9592 would you believe that I saw a near new complete FILBE set on Facebook marketplace for 150.00 USD? Main pack, 3 day pack, hydration carrier and bladder, all used like new.

[@manitobabushcraftingandrev9592]

@@robertsbushcraft they are very rare in Canada at surplus stores and over priced sometimes i wish i lived in the states

[@eddiedaves9457]

Hey brother question..do u like that ruk better than the molly2.. I hate how heavey the molly 2 is

[@robertsbushcraft]

We haven't had our hands on the MOLLE II full size ruck just yet. That said, comparing the specs, this FILBE main is not going to give much in the area of weight. Empty, with frame, belt, and should straps you're looking at nine pounds.

[@jeffkisel3697]

How tall are you ? So we know how much room as far as height of the bags ?

[@robertsbushcraft]

6'3"/ 220lbs. I feel like I still have a comfortable amount of room.

[@marcwbrown]

Do you have a link as to where to buy the extreme cold weather for the 3 season system? Thank you.

[@robertsbushcraft]

I see one on Ebay: ebay.us/Lz358g

[@mulhall72]

Seriously bad ass watch. Every SEAL I ever worked with in Desert Storm wore it. Oddly enough, all of us SWCC's wore a Casio dive watches instead. It was some unspoken rule not to wear the "wrong watch" back then, lol

[@robertsbushcraft]

I agree 100%, Barry. I was thrilled to have received this from my Dad! Thanks for watching and leaving a comment!

[@Thee-_-Outlier]

Gortext is stretch ptfe so yes this is gortex. It's a non trademark description. I believe DuPont has a trademark on the name gortex but anyone can make a ptfe membrane between fabric which is what gortex is

[@robertsbushcraft]

Excellent info, Daniel!

[@chasenolot5195]

What is the handheld radio you have strapped to your pack?

[@robertsbushcraft]

That is the Baofeng UV-5R: amzn.to/32TGrB1

[@anadventureoutdoors]

ptfe is the same thing they spray into nonstick pans, this is what gives it the slick feel and a waterproof outer, gortex is a synthetic fiber, weird because they seem like the same material. lol, I've only used the army one, when I was in this is the one, we used and i can testifies that it is tough as nails.

[@robertsbushcraft]

Tough as nails indeed!

[@amrasurvival5580]

Awesome video gentleman I love my MMSS hope to see more of you two as the weather warms

[@robertsbushcraft]

Thanks Amra! Both these systems are certainly top notch! Thanks for the watch and comment!

[@rjtwocircles]

Great video. I have watched it a few times. I realize it has been a couple of years since you made this video. You mention that the USMC ISS is a little tighter fit that the MSS. I have looked for the width measurement for the USMC components and cannot find them. Would you mind measuring the flat across the shoulder width of the USMC system some time when it is convenient, and if you still have an MSS, it would be nice to compare apples to apples. I appreciate the work that goes into this channel and your web site and the information you convey.

[@robertsbushcraft]

We're not exactly sure how to accurately measure this, but, from the zipper seam on the left to the zipper seam on the right the measurement is somewhere near 24.5". Look here: robertsbushcraft.com/usmc-3-season-sleeping-bag-vs-military-modular-sleeping-system-bag.html

[@rjtwocircles]

@@robertsbushcraft Thanks. I think I would measure it zipped up and flat from edge to edge at the widest point and the elbow level. Since there is no insulation, this times two would be the approximate circumference of the bag, and could be compared to other things to get a good idea of the size. Pictures on your web site let me approximate this at just over 34”. The MSS is reported to be about 34.5”, so that is on par. Maybe my estimations are off, or maybe the sleeping bags are causing the tighter feel.

[@goodredman]

Second time watching this video. And, same question comes up about which way to use the three season bag and the extended cold-weather putting the patrol green bag on the outside is typically the prescribed method. however, you explain you would normally put your big coat on the outside and your sweater on the inside. My thought was and I believe this is the case that the green patrol bag is the larger of the two bags. It’s able to have the room inside to accommodate the black extended cold-weather bag. That was my thought at least why they would have you put the smaller bag inside the larger green summer weight three season bag. A little bit because I understand maybe when you’re saying you’re a big coat as in the heavier more insulated coat being the extended cold-weather bag would go on the outside. When I’m thinking about bigger as in size this is why I think green larger capacity bag goes outside of the more tight fitting winter bag. Would be interested if you noticed the size difference that the Summer weight three season patrol green bag is larger than the winter bag? I will try what you mention put the more insulated bag on the outside. I have a Czechoslovakian kit that has a much larger summer bag with bug mesh screen edit definitely is designed to go on the outside with the winter thick insulated bag going inside the summer bag. If I was to switch this the summer that bag would be bunched up inside the tight winter weight bag making a very tight fit. Maybe the United States winter bag is more roomier. Personally I don’t on the black winter bag, however I have other winter weight bags they tend to seem to be smaller in size than the patrol bag. Just a little bit of my thoughts it just came back into mind after I watch this part of the video again. Thanks guys really enjoy watching your videos very well done. God bless

[@robertsbushcraft]

I do believe the green patrol bag is slightly larger than the black cold weather bag. I think perhaps we didn't communicate our point very well in the video, and that is simply our preference of putting the thinner green patrol bag inside of the thicker black cold weather bag. We're not saying that the design is wrong, we're simply stating a preference, and trying to explain the reasoning with the example of wearing your sweater outside of your coat. The way we use these bags simply feels warmer to us. I think the comments directed towards that part of this video are taking our preference of use and misinterpreting it as "hey you all are doing it wrong, do it this way", and that's not the case. We just like the patrol bag inside of the cold weather bag.

[@gm743633]

i like the video but the black bag goes inside the green bag. The intermediate black bag has a barrier that lays on the chest to keep the draft out of the main bag when you breath, you have to be in the black intermediate bag for the draft barrier to work. because your chest rises and falls, this causes a small draft in and out. goretex maitenance products and dwr can keep it rain proof. ptfe is the membrane that keeps the rain out. goetex is a brand name.

[@robertsbushcraft]

For sure it is designed that way, and for years that's exactly how we used it, the black inside of the the green. On a whim we switched it around. After doing so we discovered that we felt warmer with the green inside of the black.

[@mgysgtk8835]

I had the camouflage sleep system till I retired in 2008. USMC. But I not familiar with the brown/tan sleep system. Did the tan bag system replace the camouflage system? What years was it in the Military? Did the Marine Corps use it?

[@robertsbushcraft]

The 3S (Three Season) sleep system replaced the older MMSS (woodland) for the USMC somewhere in the mid 2000's. The IBC (Improved Bivy Cover) is a fantastic step above the older MMSS (woodland) bivy. The newer sleep system consists of pretty much the same components as the older MMSS: a 3 season bag (patrol bag), with SealLine waterproof bag, Extreme Cold Weather Bag with SealLine waterproof bag, IBC (Improved Bivy Cover), and a mesh storage sack. We definitely prefer the newer system over the older one. Here is the newer system being placed inside of the SealLine and into the FILBE main ruck: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aHfGh5mPqdOFrac

[@mgysgtk8835]

@@robertsbushcraft Thank you.

[@yaril123]

i write to the compagnie few year ago and new bivy are not made in gore-tex but something equivalent! Gore-tex is just a name...

[@robertsbushcraft]

Fantastic news!

[@B-leafer]

New improved bivy appears tighter on your body than the older MMSS version

[@robertsbushcraft]

It is a tighter fit than the older woodland bivy. I've read that there is a larger IBC but I've not seen one anywhere.

[@wolffo999]

I have the army woodland type and am very impressed with the quality, paid $80 delivered for "like new"

[@robertsbushcraft]

Those are awesome and well worth what you paid for it!

[@andrewkenseth4814]

I sold two of them years ago that were in perfect shape and highly regret it now. They’ve gone up massively.

[@Phantom8589]

Having been issued and slept in several military systems, all over the world. If it rains or snows and you want to lower your condensation, vent the side of the bivy low enough that water/sleet/snow does not get in. Otherwise I get a bad headache when I wake up and my bag is wet from all the breathing/condensation. Just my recommendation but having an air vent definitely helps me sleep better.

[@robertsbushcraft]

That's pretty much the reason why we prefer the IBC (improved bivy cover coyote brown) of the older woodland. It's so much easier to vent and stay covered.

[@no1up]

what backpack is that?!

[@robertsbushcraft]

That is the USMC FILBE Main Backpack: ebay.to/2FLCrG3

[@joeyjones9041]

I currently have the ILBE, Aquaquest Defender 10x10 tarp, and the woodland camo Modular Sleep System, all 4 pieces. I plan on getting the FILBE, MOLLE II, ALICE and ILBE Recon packs. You guys have alot of killer gear. That ECWT made by Eureka/Northface looks awesome. I want one so badly lol

[@robertsbushcraft]

Joey it sounds like you have a strong loadout yourself! We are waiting patiently for just the right price on the ILBE gear so we can add that to our collection as well. Between Facebook Marketplace and Ebay we'll never have any money! Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@joeyjones9041]

@Pat The Patriot it is the coolest tent ever made. Perfect for a family of four or so

[@BristanKeller]

I went through arctic survival SERE school with this system in 2013. We slept in our skivies at -20 and was fine. Not really sure why you think that’s a misconception with this system.

[@robertsbushcraft]

In the USMC skivvies consisted of a t-shirt and boxers and I get cold in these bags in just skivvies at 20 degrees. Both systems are designed to go into the negative extremes when wearing various layers of extreme cold weather clothing (lightweight/midweight drawers and shirts/jackets/trousers, etc.). The newer USMC sleep system outlines what to wear in layer combination with these bags in specified temperature ranges. If you were pushing -20 degree temps in these bags with just skivvies you are most definitely a warmer sleeper than I am! Were you taught to sleep in just skivvies or was that your personal preference? We don't get those extreme temps here in NC so we can only test with NC ambient.

[@antsanchez870]

in the new system or the old? the new system sucks and you need all the warming layers. at -20, id line with a mylar blanket

[@robertsbushcraft]

Do you have both the cold weather bag and the 3S bag from the new system?

[@99Racker]

Great training in using proper gear. You might try turning on your side if it is raining while you close the inner face cover. The side closure makesmitbeasier if you put a leg out when you get a bit hot. Thanks for the comparison. I do like the coyote color outer bag better. I appreciate that you both get to do a lot together when you do these videos. Great job.

[@robertsbushcraft]

Turning to the side is a fantastic suggestion. Thanks for watching our videos and leaving us a comment, Racker!

[@lynnsmith8462]

Awesome videos man! Hey what kind of boots are those?

[@robertsbushcraft]

I am wearing the USMC Bates hot weather boots and Dad is wearing Belleville 590 USMC steel toe boots. Thanks for stopping by to watch and comment, Lynn!

[@colbysegura5235]

Old school with the Iguana tent

[@robertsbushcraft]

And those are awesome!

[@gordonmurdoch3811]

Gore-Tex is a registered trademark of W. L. Gore and Associates. If the trademark is not on the bag it doesn't mean that the material used is of inferior quality, it only indicates that some other manufacturer produced the membrane fabric. ATB

[@robertsbushcraft]

Thanks for sharing that knowledge. We are convinced the improved bivy really is better between the two. Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@turtlewolfpack6061]

The directions are pretty specific with the MSS, summer bag outside the winter bag. They are even sized like that to maximize loft. What you show here is 100% wrong. The only sleep system designed to put the summer bag in the cold weather bag is the new British knock off of the Carinthia sleep system.

[@robertsbushcraft]

We used the bags according to those instructions for years. On a whim we put the green inside the black and slept warmer than previous. Try it and see what you think!

[@davidsawmandave8731]

Plus the black bag has the draft collar and when almost completely zipped up and buttoned up , the black bag is more robust and is slippery and will allow.u to slide In super easy

[@turtlewolfpack6061]

@@robertsbushcraft sorry for the very late reply, I somehow missed this comment. You make an interesting point and I will try it however, my main summer bag is an anomaly. The material is insanely strong compared to the other USGI patrol bags I have and it is two colored, I haven't ever seen another like it and grabbed it when I saw it in the bin. It still has the same NSN but I can't find any information on this variant. It is very similar, if not identical, the the sleeping bags once made by Drop Zone in Edmonton many years ago.

[@manitobabushcraftingandrev9592]

I have just purchased the 3 season bivy and am wondering how often you have to re-apply a dwr coating with it being nylon instead of goretex.? I have the mmss and have owned it for years and it still beads off water and am wondering about the 3 season bivy, also iv been hunting on ebay for the extreme cold weather bag and seen it twice both times it had rips and they still wanted 200 plus canadian for it . do you know of surplus shops that carry the ecwb? as for your feet getting cold try out wiggys insulated lammalite socks :)

[@robertsbushcraft]

We use the Nikwax TXDirect Wash-In and Waterproofing Wash-In amzn.to/2UpQEC1 and have had good results. Before adding in the tarps over us we'd sleep in these and stay dry even after an "out of nowhere" rain shower in the middle of the night. We also use the Nikwax TXDirect Spray-On Waterproofing amzn.to/2Uu9esA just as extra precaution. I reached out to GORE-TEX last year and they mentioned that for outer DWR they suggest a spray on coating for better results. So, we do both. Wash in and spray on. We purchased our bags for 19.99 USD a piece at Hull Street Outlet Inc in Richmond, Virginia, USA. Give them a call [phone] and see if they still have some! We'll look into the Wiggy's as well thanks for the suggestion!

[@maxinpains6937]

@@robertsbushcraft wow ... That's a hell of a deal !

[@hartzogLovesScience]

Gortex is nylon ePTFE, the chemical name

[@robertsbushcraft]

Thank you for adding that, Kevin!

[@archangel20031]

All these look ok, but they need a boot storage pouch on the side near the top because if your foot gear needs to come off, they need to stay dry and unfrozen!

[@robertsbushcraft]

The boots can fit near the head in both bivy sacks. One boot on each side of your head and you're good to go.

[@robertsbushcraft]

Mine don't carry a terrible odor, and I clean them before bringing them inside the bivy. If they are too wet and muddy, they get the treatment you mentioned.@@duffelbagdrag

[@maxinpains6937]

I love older MMSS .

[@robertsbushcraft]

We did too until we got the newer bags. Honestly, though, the bags are just about on par with one another. It's the bivy that sets the two systems apart. The newer Improved Bivy Cover (IBC) is far superior to the older woodland camo Gore-Tex bivy. Thanks for watching and commenting, Max!

[@ke6ziu]

Baofeng? Not impressed with that radio, but it IS open...

[@robertsbushcraft]

Are there better radios out there? Sure! But that price on the UV5R...that's the impressive part.

[@WH6FQE]

Yes, as a Marine I can confirm that the 3S is Gortex. .

[@manitobabushcraftingandrev9592]

so after paying $195 for just the bivy , it came with atleast 30 pin holes the size of the point of a needle do you guys have any ideas on how to get It water tight im using duct tape for now

[@robertsbushcraft]

We used the Gore Tex seam tape amzn.to/2Iv2B32 and it worked great!

[@mulhall72]

There's patches (more like super strong stickers) made for these. I got a bunch at an Army surplus.

[@tbrew8222]

Another cheap budget method if you cant find usmc patches, is to use shoe goo, and bits of nylon or cloth. just make sure waterproofing sprays or coatings are cleaned away from patch area first or ot may only last a year or two.

[@rickwikman9530]

good work young man keep it up thx

[@robertsbushcraft]

Thanks Rick, will do!

[@bustercrabbe8447]

I've used the MMSS for three years here in New England. It is not a winter sleeping bag. It's a fall/spring bag. It is only rated for 10 F above zero. It is not a mummy bag. It is basically a glorified survival sack. Very drafty. It is perfect for cold/wet snowy/hail/sleet fall weather. But you will die using it in the deep winter.

[@robertsbushcraft]

It's hard t gauge how well these work. A few comments down one person says they slept in these bags in -20F during arctic SERE school in just skivvies.

[@bustercrabbe8447]

@@robertsbushcraft I bet you an MRE the guy in SERE training was freezing his tail off and only thought it was 20 below. Tennier Industries claims a max cold rating of 40 below IF you are in the MMSS wearing full arctic parka, pants, and boots. That's a cheat. Yes I've camped out in winter weather (-5 to -10 F) in howling wind and swirling snow up in Maine without the MMSS because it can't take it. But in FALL weather during a gale, northeaster, sleet, hail, freezing rain between 33 - 40 degrees F, the MMSS is perfect and made for these conditions, which I only use the MMSS for and no other sleeping bag.

[@robertsbushcraft]

That's my thinking. I can't speak to arctic SERE but I can speak to what I know to be true here in northeastern NC. Tennier has always said (direct quote) on their site about this system "The MSS is designed to provide comfort in temperatures ranging form 50°F to -30°F when wearing various layers of extreme cold weather clothing."

[@daveedwards6567]

You should always do things the way the military Tel you to do it that have menny year's of use ,ok thanks for your video 👍

[@robertsbushcraft]

That's a gamble, isn't it? You are very welcome, Dave! :)

[@freedomdove]

Good overview, guys. 👍

[@robertsbushcraft]

Thanks, freedom dove!

[@robertrobinson3599]

Thanks

[@robertsbushcraft]

You are very welcome, Robert!

[@manitobabushcraftingandrev9592]

hey do you know where I can purchase the 3s bag and the ecwb without having to pay over $200 per bag in Canadian dollars?

[@robertsbushcraft]

We purchased our bags for 19.99 USD a piece at Hull Street Outlet Inc in Richmond, Virginia, USA. Give them a call [phone] and see if they still have some! Maybe they'll ship them to you, I don't see why they wouldn't. Keep in mind thought that those bags have been repaired and will have pieces of the ripstop tape on them. But for 20$ USD per bag you can't go wrong.

[@manitobabushcraftingandrev9592]

@@robertsbushcraft thanks very much!

[@robertsbushcraft]

@@manitobabushcraftingandrev9592 right on and good luck!

[@rabidtaz1306]

Bigfoot burritos, with and without salad. Great video Thanx and Semper Fi.

[@robertsbushcraft]

There's a good bit of copper in those burritos that I am certain would give bigfoot terminal indigestion. Thanks for watching and commenting, William! Semper Fi!

[@alouiciousjackson5812]

Those squeeze bags are too slow for me! I use a hand pump.

[@robertsbushcraft]

They are slow, but I like them. What system are you using?

[@alouiciousjackson5812]

@@robertsbushcraft I mainly use and MSR MiniWorks hand pump. Filters down to 0.3 microns, although it doesn't have charcoal for chemicals or anything. I also have the squeeze bags and lifestraws but a hand pump is just so much easier!

[@sgtg4600]

It’s Goretex by its chemical name. Goretex being a brand name.

[@robertsbushcraft]

Thanks for the tip, Sgt G!

[@towermonkey2000]

The first part is a great example of why not to use a bladder for backpacking. To slow and cumbersome to refill. If you were really wanting to use it it would be better to fill it with dirty water and put the filter inline with the drinking tube. The measurement on the bladder to see how much water you had? The Sawyer bags are marked so you should have know you had 16oz.

[@robertsbushcraft]

Personally, I like to filter the water before putting it into my hydration bladder. It just seems to make more sense to me to put clean water in the reservoir when time permits, which, it usually does. If I recall correctly the Sawyer bag (16oz) was not completely full so we sort of guessed at what we filtered into the bladder. Thanks for watching and commenting towermonkey2000!

[@orioncannon9513]

This channel is groovy.

[@robertsbushcraft]

We try to be groovy dudes, Orion!

[@richardspence3447]

I like your Video good job

[@robertsbushcraft]

Hey thanks for watching and leaving a comment, Richard!

[@richcrabtree2537]

Helpfulll vid, god bless

[@robertsbushcraft]

Hey thanks Rich! God bless!

[@FrictionFire-q5z]

Ive used a small smooth pebble to attach to the ridge line of my shelter with cordage to keep the Bivy up off of my face at night..tree branch works well too when without a tarp or poncho. Bad Ass System. MMSS

[@davidsawmandave8731]

I wish I could attach a loop in that area to put a string on it

[@robertsbushcraft]

An excellent suggestion, Woodslore Shady!

[@caseydman4651]

he threw the woobie on the ground.....like it was a piece of trash......he must be sacrificed...THOSE ARE THE RULES!

[@robertsbushcraft]

That woobie is no stranger to mud, sand, leaves, and dirt!

[@todspeerii7498]

Real OG's rep the baofeng

[@robertsbushcraft]

We even have pixel shades!

[@aekuterbach1]

You look about 18, healthy and strong. I hope to see you next video of you leaving for the military and not some want to be dork making you tube videos.

[@robertsbushcraft]

Still have a few years before that happens! Thanks for watching and encouraging!

[@louiewatson9389]

I've been in the military for 5 years. I don't recommend it. They pay is bad the damage it will do to your mental health and the politically correct cancer has spread everywhere.