Why Payday 3 Failed

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Payday 3 was supposed to be one of the best video game sequels of 2023, but it completely flopped and was a disaster on nearly every single level. Do you think Payday 3 has a chance to redeem itself?
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[@cameronadey7004]

fuck war thunder, why don't you play kenshi and make that part 2 you promised everybody.

[@SirYeetU]

when it comes to trashing on games, make shit up, but when the games that suffer from the same issues put money in your pocket NOW it's a different story. sureee

[@GREENDIET2137]

Step 1 make competition for yourself step 2 make your copmetitive product straight up shit and worse then original step 3 not profit

[@The_whales]

Company of heroes series: hey, I seen this before!

[@kamiya4700]

⁠@@The_whalesThe one CEO from EA that force Westwood to make C&C4: “Huh? I wonder why”

[@CBRN-115]

Swedish business tactic is genius

[@FatheredPuma81]

CoD literally does this every release but still profits each time.

[@John-PaulHunt-q3z]

The live service games era is a story of pure arrogance and greed.

[@TheGavn8er]

Easy always online and not preparing for more people. Everyone left and no one is gonna come back. Why would they we can just go back to payday 2

[@Supreme_Master776]

The most Easy way of salvation for them Is be acquired from another Big software house. I sincerely Hope that PD3 will have a huge come back.

[@antynomity]

Online only is one of the smallest issues with this game, server hiccups are never the sole or main reason as to why a game loses players.

[@F_Yale]

There's a bit more to it than that. The game is worse across the board at a core level.

[@GrimGianni]

Don't act like you speak for ALL of us 😂

[@Fivemacs]

​@@Supreme_Master776how the hell would a bigger and more corrupt pile of garbage company save payday....bigger companies are never the answer

[@ampa-3612]

Ironic that War Thunder, a game known for being extremely inconsistent, unbalanced, usually not very fun and extremely grindy is sponsoring a video about Payday 3.

[@organicleaf]

tbf, they atleast have a solid fundation and actually stuff to do

[@jamesp1389]

​@@organicleaf ye at least it's a game

[@warmike]

War Thunder is really fun when goofing around with prop planes in Air Arcade

[@tuananhlenguyen4899]

Your worst choice of the day is playing a warthunder ground RB match

[@_Devil]

there's this KZbinr named Dark Space who's known for making GTA content and he did one video titled "The Problem With GTA Online (Monetization)" or something like that, right? And his segway into the sponsor of the video was "But you know who respects their players' time and money? War Thunder, today's sponsor!" and it was absolutely horrible. The comments were riddled with people calling him for critiquing GTA5's Shark Cards while turning out to defend War Thunder's Gold and Premium system. KZbinr's just aren't trustworthy these days.

[@donosprey8754]

No wonder Payday 3 failed so spectacularly. With a studio in such a state of disarray I'm shocked Payday 3 is even still going to this day.

[@VikgamingBob]

They learn mistakes and will keep going

[@CBRN-115]

​@@VikgamingBobdon't make me laugh

[@dieptrieu6564]

@@VikgamingBob Seriously, even the massive failure like cyberpunk and no man sky can come back. Why shouldn't people have more hope on this one

[@sheepfly]

​@@VikgamingBobGreat joke 😂😂😂

[@sheepfly]

​@@dieptrieu6564😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@brettfoss9318]

Honestly I think what really killed payday 3 was the complete unplayable state it was in for the first two weeks the game was out. A lot of people that just wanted to try the game couldn't so they just moved onto the next thing

[@messiahshow]

Payday 3 is not killed, there are actually quite a lot of people playing but you can't just look at steam chart. And the number 1 thing that lowered it's interest and fun factor was no voice-chat and it's still missing. When that arrives soon in the upcoming patches I think this game will take off but not before that.

[@lucasLSD]

@@messiahshow Almost a year and no voice chat? Are they for real? And where should we look since steam is the most popular online store? This isn't an MMO where most people use the company's own launcher.

[@messiahshow]

@@lucasLSD Starbreeze have said the game is played most on PS5 but it is also on xbox and gamepass, epic store and Geforce Now so more platforms to account for to get a real number of players playing. In October server browser and Voice-chat will be implemented.

[@MrXaniss]

Disbanding lobbies increased matchmaking times and removed that feeling of comradery you'd get with a good team. Simple as that. The gameplay itself was fundamentally fine imo.

[@typie34]

to even make such a stupid decision is beyond me. enough of an argument not to buy terrible games if they cant even get basic positive things like that right. game studios are just lazy and stupid nowadays, instead of innovating they just follow trends and are greedy for our money.

[@C0bblers]

@@typie34 Agreed, it could have been incredible, the formula was there for a million+ seller. It's hard to think how it could have gone any worse.

[@skxlter5747]

They followed call of dutys example smfh

[@retzouazter5699]

I do think a breakdown of everything that went wrong with their TWD development would be interesting to see.

[@JohnBeattie_]

So do I and I didn’t even know about it. Lol

[@brokenmartin4861]

they had nothing to do with payday 3. so why did he add them to the video?

[@ImperialWarrior6490]

That game bricked my PC operating system. I love The Walking Dead and I was hyped as hell for it. But damn did they fumble hard.

[@matthewsvat7901]

There was so much more rotten with Payday 3. The "achievemet progression system" was such a BS for example... I don't even agree with the core gameplay being good. Standing in a circle while "hacking" just is not fun in any way. I refunded it and a few weeks ago, I returned to PD2. Every once in a while we play a heist or two and it's still a blast

[@Steampunkzter]

The whole, here’s a closed beta test, it’s a 4 month old build… players giving feedback and helpful advice to improve the game… about 2-4 months later, here’s the exact same beta with no improvements on the same build but now a public test…. Players doubling down on the issues and feedback, game comes out and almost non of the issues were fixed or worked on, as all the beta did was tease a broken product that never got fixed with all the feedback and reports given….

[@asianpablo1574]

From what I can tell, they were really worried on stress testing servers and doing maintenance on online so it wouldn’t shit the bed on launch. In the end it didn’t even matter since that’s exactly what happened.

[@Steampunkzter]

@@asianpablo1574 As a closed beta tester public beta tester and player of payday3, it’s very obvious how little they care about their own product. ( yes there improving it ) but like there not changing the product that is boring.

[@asianpablo1574]

@@Steampunkzter I understand what you’re saying, but they got a shit ton of other problems they’re trying to address atm. I think the gold pass promise is really screwing them on having to finish the rest of the dlc by September before they can address core problems with the game.

[@timemage88x13]

As someone who played ps3 untill last week the game is shit The deva see oh everyone is using said skill let's nerf it.

[@9another632]

One thing i LOVE from PD:TH, is that they knew how to get inspired by other projects. Instead of just copying the formula, they DID understand the formula. 4 same guys for the entire game, they had to feel human with voice interactions with the mission context and their team, making them feel real. Detail that was lost in PD2

[@rabidbadger5260]

I have over 1300 hrs in pd2. I have around 80 in pd3 and have no interest in returning. Waiting in circles, scanning phones, snatching keycards right off guards is neither fun or challenging. Pd2 had dynamic cop spawns that kept you on your toes, whereas pd3 spawns are just copy and paste, with the specials arriving after scripted triggers. The skills in pd3 are boring and barely change the playstyle unlike pd2, then when you add the Grit, Edge and rush nonsense, the entire experience is just meh and none of it forces you to change the way you play or create interesting builds. My personal take is that most of the Devs of pd3 had barely played pd2 for more than a few hours. It is just not engaging

[@jakenicholls7518]

Agreed

[@lusien3309]

1500 hrs and 400+ DS/OD completed heists guy here; and I'm gonna say that payday 2 is a sh!ttу mess. Payday 3 is much better.

[@KingOfDeftness]

​@@lusien3309 Out of curiosity, why do you like 3 more than 2? Just asking since even dsod, every perk and weapon can work incredibly well to beat any heist. Doesn't matter if it's with the Contractor, Minigun, Leech or Yakuza. You can always find a way to beat any heist differently. And even if it's for dsod specifically, you can always just turn down the difficulty if you prefer an easier time.

[@rabidbadger5260]

@@lusien3309 We'll have to agree to disagree here. While PD2 has it's issues, I just prefer the gameplay far more than 3, which I find stale and uninspired. I'm glad you enjoy 3 and are getting your money's worth, but it's just not for me.

[@lusien3309]

@@KingOfDeftness I left the game (payday 2) in 2021 because I was fed up with its greed. Listen, I'm the one who's still angry at the developers for going away from the direction Ulf Andersson was going. The third payday became more serious and demanding of the team, and that's why I like the game. And I'm fed up with all the biased haters who trash the game simply because "everyone does it."

[@splashlemon2966]

Correction. The cutscenes are Voice Acted! Im not sure where you got that from?

[@CrimeNetArchive]

Looking at the lack of research in this video, he most likely just checked the headlines from news outlets and called it a day.

[@SirYeetU]

It's giving a few whiffs of AI and maybe a bit of blatant lying

[@wazar4501]

4:58 sponsor skip

[@yourbigheadcousin5434]

PD3 felt like a cheap re-skin. I mean, the heist they used for their free to play weekend was the bank job.

[@michealtheevilhero2340]

You mean PD3?

[@yourbigheadcousin5434]

@@michealtheevilhero2340 yeah, thanks

[@captaintarkov]

The game has huge differences and seems more like a sequel to payday the heist at least gameplay and character wise. Shit story, great gameplay and pretty fun character interactions which payday 2 lacked so much.

[@yourbigheadcousin5434]

@@captaintarkov To be fair, I only played the free weekend prior to launch. I gave PD2 a lot of slack to get it together and wasn't willing to do it again.

[@captaintarkov]

@@yourbigheadcousin5434 quality is there but the motivation seems to be gone.

[@mercenarygundam1487]

What went wrong? Well, still using that broken drill and MAKING IT ALWAYS ONLINE IS A PROBLEM!

[@Virtualsinner]

There are so many core mechanics that also are at fault.

[@VoGnos]

Have faith i believe they can save it

[@In66dam6dkit]

With dlc 3 coming out yesterday along with a free heist that are undoubtedly the best heists they've put into PD3 so far I have to agree with you.

[@DROGOC0P]

I hope it is saved because pd2 is probably one of the games I enjoyed the most in my whole life

[@bawdysasquatch8846]

I just miss the three card reward system at the end. Was fun to gamble and you could spend money to buy them meaning you always had a use for money And mask customisation is horrible they need to fix that and add more gambling

[@Virtual_Maid_Miyu]

I too miss that I was hoping in the new game you could adjust decals position and height but na it's all a grind for colors and little fixed decals (when you hit level 50) and no more materials 😢

[@murkyturkey5238]

How did they ruin the mask customization?? The masks in payday 2 are awesome

[@Virtual_Maid_Miyu]

@@murkyturkey5238 no material, fixed decal positions still like a lot of us thought at launch we will see a lot of customizations and mask from payday 2 but you cannot even customize special masks even (also they are now locked behind levels instead of randomly unlocking it like they did at the end of missions three card reward system in playday 2

[@bawdysasquatch8846]

@@murkyturkey5238 nah the mask customisation in Payday 3, PD2 was so good but had some room for improvement

[@damianmikulec866]

Payday 3 started with 8 heists. 1 year after release has 15. I dont think thats bad. It just needs time. Besides in october crime net is coming back

[@Iluhvahtar]

The heists are too fucking expensive. No offline mode is crap too

[@RionValorius]

I feel like, a lot of people when they first played payday 3 were justly angered, but now, I feel like people just don’t give it a chance, no one tries it and believes popular views, I myself, find a lot fun about and it continues to amaze me, to this day, it’s good, the devs have buffed it and if you spend some time in it instead of playing one time and disliking it, It’s now a good game, trust me.

[@mysterious_559]

I hate how Payday 3 is Online Only Payday 3 is slightly better than PD2 but needs a lot to do to make it better

[@speedyrunner1676]

The heists were not that good

[@SirYeetU]

This. As much as I'm a White Knight for Payday 3, the game just, kinda sucks right now. The Heists and their designs is rather lackluster in gameplay, but also in general asthetics. Sure, the nightclub is cool, raiding a damn penthouse is novel, I guess, but it's nowhere near as flashy as robbing the fucking White House

[@typie34]

the mechanics of the game are just beyond dogshit. its a step down in everything compared to PD2, even the graphics look like dogshit.

[@zombiekiller13able]

@@typie34 This is just plain wrong. Payday 3 is by and large an improvement in gameplay over Payday 2. Payday 3 had issues on launch with the online having issues to connect and the progression system, but the gunplay is improved and the cops all feel dangerous and force you to play tactically, similar to the original. The heist's complexity has gone up and tickled my brain like nothing Payday 2 ever could, and keeps the realism that I missed from, again, Payday: the Heist.

[@typie34]

@@zombiekiller13able Really? i remember playing this dogshit at launch and the movement was stiff and unnatural, gunplay very bad and mechanics not developed at all. On top of that the game looks like shit. so a literall stepdown from everything the predecessor had. maybe they fixed it by now but the game is dead, so no point in returning.

[@tymager7308]

Payday 3 definitely had potential they made a lot of great stealth revamps and some nice new heist mechanics But my main gripes are the simplification of the skill trees makes the progression in the game feel unrewarding and the removal of fun and silly guns and locking the cool guns away as a overkill weapon just isn’t fun

[@MattHew-rq8zw]

Stealth got revamped (sadly an aspect I had no love for back in payday 2, nor here in payday 3), but the idea that modern day mechanics (or solution to todays' modern problems) such as sitting still for satelite signals (sitting or moving around in a circle for intel), scanning QR codes and stealing cards from guards (at least this final part felt interesting - despite not being a stealth-fan, I found this aspect actually enjoyable.). Did I play the boys in blue? No, I had given the game 120 hours - of playtime until that same week... - then jumped the ship. Don't get me started on the "progression" for experience points, that I loathed with my entire body... - or having to deal with Syntax error's stage and new up and comming special unit the Techie. Easy to deal with? Doesn't make it enjoyable, as that is entirely subjective - I love the Grenedares, aka Naders. I'm still in favor of adding in special's that matches the occasions... but Techies? No thank you. Skill trees? Aye, in my eyes... I would say yer' being very genorous for calling it a skill tree, not to bring up any beef mate, but I wouldn't call it anything shorter than a merge of their skilltree from 2 and our heist decks from 2... into one amalgamation that just doesn't work out. Them introducing hauling(skill tree all about carrying more than 1 bag), into the mix... to work out the kinks, as carrying more was considered a godsend or a good start from lots of us ol' time heisters. But, so much felt unispired, to put it mildly. These internal proc' mechanics (Edge, Rush and Grit), never caught me as anything short of trying to re-invent the wheel - was it done well? Probably more responsive, but I had lost all my enthusiasm by the time builds got put up. All in all, from my gameplay experience, I hope anyone who'll go for Houstons' breakout will enjoy it... I can't see myself going back to payday 3 without more soul, and without an offline function (Crashes and loss of internet connection has sadly plagued me from time to time in recent years.).

[@jayr.9884]

14:27 this is completely and fully untrue. not only is the game not even an entire year old yet, but there are 4 (four) heists added, half of which are totally free, and it seems likely that more heists will come out before the 1 year mark passes by. there is so much to criticize payday 3 over that you really do not have to invent more things to heap on top 14:05 false as well. the slideshow cutscenes ARE in fact fully voice acted. why do you have to lie about the game? there are so many real issues worth criticizing and you keep making stuff up.

[@SirYeetU]

First time ive seen someone bring up some of the complete and actual jargon brought up. Some things like the "Lack of Crimenet" can be solved SO easily if they gave a fuck about the cutscenes, as multiple times crime net is mentioned, and it can even be assumed that everything in the menus is done on Crimenet, it's just that the devs at Starbreeze were too damn lazy

[@Hitscanister]

This explains why Payday 3 felt so hollow. Starbreeze simply ran out of time and money. And also a game director whose head is in his ass and refuses to listen to the players who don't like micro-managing and repetitive and bland objectives. Not to mention sucking the whole heisting soul out of a heisting game. (Where are the heister interactions and banter between the characters?) If I'm not completely mistaken, SBZ also got funding from the Swedish government to make the game, but I don't remember the details without looking it up.

[@headshot531]

its been a year and not THAT much has changed. the game is cooked, without updates every month or frequently i dont see how the game can drastically improve. it needs a ton of work so much that it might be easier to just make a new game

[@aiesdief]

they removed the detection stat to promote "stealth into loud" gameplay, then they made stealth be a complete different route than loud. e.g. NRFW: in stealth you enter the vault through the door bypassing the security system, in loud you have to do none of that, you just use the drill, which means if you get caught at any point during stealth, you are basically starting over on loud. the game doesn't align with its own design.

[@michealtheevilhero2340]

I'll say it, PD3 will never be successful as long as Overkill and Starbreeze continue being as stubborn as a brick wall and not bother trying to understand what is actually wrong with the game and why the Community want it to change, Ignoring the many side issues and only talking without even trying to fix the main issues will never work no matter how many times they try it. Edit: Also, I completely disagree with the heists being good, While some parts are cool and Even fun they absolutely butchered what made payday both a fun heisting game and a fun action game with more than half the heists being to stand in a circle in the middle of nowhere for the dumbest excuse of an objective just to find the saddest vault of all time with barely anything to make the boredom worth it in the end.

[@tymager7308]

I completely agree with your opinion on the circle standing thing they don’t make any logical sense and I think the drills where the perfect roadblock because it slows you down and forces you to hunker down because it is a mob shooter after all I also think the game can’t succeed with the way the skill tree is set up it removes all the replayability on top of the heists boring because you feel barely more powerful at max level than at level 1 in pd2 you start out being weak but with all the upgrades you can get from the skill and perk trees you feel like a 1 man army by the time you get to the higher levels

[@asianpablo1574]

I completely agree with what you’re saying, but you gotta keep the dev team sanity in mind lol. They’re on a strict deadline with limited funding. They need to release a few more heists before September on top of all the other core mechanics that need to be changed. Crime net still needs to be added and they’re trying to rework the game into offline all while keeping the community engaged. It’s a lot to balance and I think most of what you’re saying will be addressed in year 2 when they’re not on a strict timeline because of the gold pass promise.

[@michealtheevilhero2340]

@@asianpablo1574 while I understand your point, All that should've been a part of the base game since the beginning, I have sympathy for some of the dev's but there's always a point where a line has been crossed so many times and it's very clear they haven't learned anything from all the years on Payday 2, When all attempts for reason fail (Especially after the fiasco with Almir recently and the idea of paid legacy heists) Then "Ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves"

[@silver333z]

exactly, the pure dopamine of stealthing big bank and opening the vault to find 20+ bags of loot was great. now it’s like 6-8 max and a much less interesting heist to get to it

[@michealtheevilhero2340]

@@silver333z 6-8 bags worth barely a penny of how it was back in payday 2 or even Payday the heist

[@oof5992]

TL:DR: Just play Rockay City Crime boss, way more fun even if a bit jankier, the devs did fix a lot of stuff though.

[@michealtheevilhero2340]

THANK YOU about time someone mentioned this game

[@LudaSuva]

It sucks even more though lol?

[@Yougottubed89]

I thought Payday 3 was going to be huge. Dreaming of it being an open world closer to GTA or heists that have multiple stages with no loading screens. It ended up being the most generic take I could've ever imagined.

[@PxHDB]

Maybe not a open world but I'm baffled how to exit a menu or a lobby it has a loading screen and not to mention the performance, we are not talking about rdr2 graphics nor darktide enemies numbers I am playing in a very decent rig and it runs like shit. Half baked game w a half baked performance.

[@thebushbros6626]

So you were expecting the game to be GTA. At that point, just play GTA

[@XJ9LoL]

Trailer looked ass. Looked like payday 2 with barely improved graphics. I said it looked awful and not what I expected. Downvoted like crazy. Turns out I was right on the dot.

[@dieptrieu6564]

That's just GTA, lol. Payday is great because of the level design. Making it open world destroy that aspect

[@sheepfly]

Payday 3 is shit but you are out of your mind with those expectations

[@ScorZulu]

The solo mode still requires internet connection

[@CrimeNetArchive]

Because solo mode is not an offline mode YET.

[@SirYeetU]

@@CrimeNetArchive This. It doesn't help that IGN spewed this too.

[@zachschultz5872]

I was actually really excited for the walking dead game as a huge fan of payday I'd love to see a future video on it. Also great video it was like getting slapped in the face with a nostalgia bomb when you mentioned grin.

[@bird9188]

this video is so incredibly poorly researched, I doubt you did any of it

[@SirYeetU]

not to mention that the script REEKS of AI. It's almost like getting angry at fake shit makes it easier for Starbreeze get away with the real shit

[@kevinrakaGameDev]

they should start making payday4

[@erikmueller2651]

They should be making a new game. Maybe a first Person Mafia style game. So they could make a Mafia game Set in the 1950s in First Person. We haven't seen a game like this

[@SirYeetU]

i loved it when the Dentist went "You see. I need my payday. four."

[@murkyturkey5238]

@@erikmueller2651that’s random af 😂

[@erikmueller2651]

@@murkyturkey5238 it has to do with Crime. Payday is gone and will never be succesful again

[@ShadowBotboi]

I was waiting so long for this game and so hyped but for it to come out and be like this it feels bad man

[@ninochaosdrache3189]

They don't seem to be that desperate, given that they just caused a major riot by reworking a fun skill combo. Some of the devs are really bone headed and want to push through with their vision of the game against the wishes of their customers. Of course your sales are bad when you repeatedly bite the hand that feeds you.

[@brokenmartin4861]

they chaged there minds on the reworking, but still ganna add the 2 skills

[@TheAce152]

I was 14 when PD2 came out, and let me tell you, I made sure any chore I could do was done around the house anytime A DLC dropped, hell, I even I even saved up and bought the completely over kill pack during the hype train event. I would put it down for a while but always came back after a while. And it was always great seeing all the content they added while I was gone. I think that’s the issue with 3. It feels stagnant. And granted I hear what everyone’s saying about PD2 having the same start. But these guys had the formula already, all they had to do was take what was working and keep it going. More big community events, interesting heists with choices and variability. But given the original masterminds behind the design of the game are no longer with the team. I think the studio has been kinda poking at the brains of this franchise so to speak, just unaware what to do with it, let alone making game feel as engaging as the 2nd. I know the chances are low, but I really hope the brothers can somehow come back to continue their work and get things back on track for PD3.

[@akumathehunter1699]

Payday 3 released on September 21st but people who gold and silver edition pre ordered got to play on 18th well except for ps5 players

[@ChickenCherryCola]

Play on the 18th? Ohh you must mean load into the main menu and get booted due to lack of serverss 💀

[@switchjayfuckities4199]

​@@ChickenCherryCola we got to "play" on the 18th, true

[@cooldudes4208]

I loved Payday 2 and played a bunch over the years. I was excited for Payday 3 and even pre-ordered with my friends who played it back in the day. Needless to say we were all disappointed after the first bank heist we did, and we used to run overdrill.

[@JamesKirk14144]

To be honest I thought payday became way worse than I thought the bugs and the technical issue of the game payday 2 was a successful heist game and plus it never disappoints me

[@Mogeko_Ranger]

Wish the official twitter for Payday 3 would stop making self aware tweets on how their game is dead, and just make this game as good as Payday 2.

[@The_Gamebuster]

The Twitter isn't responsible for game development, why would they be the ones fixing the games quality...

[@Mogeko_Ranger]

@@The_Gamebuster I know it's a Twitter account, I didn't mean literally. I would prefer they acknowledge the game needs to be in a better spot than, "Haha lol, we fell off 🤣" tweets

[@samutraifin]

needing online connection for solo/singleplayer games should be illegal

[@granthaber1341]

one of the brother's responsible for making both payday 1 & 2 is now working on a new game called Den of Wolfs & i can't wait to play it

[@TheCreamSoda]

I appreciate the background info of Overkill/Starbreeze that this video provides but I feel like there's a lot of conflicting info that doesn't really match how Payday 3 got into this situation. Payday 3's heists are VERY underwhelming, especially comparing to Payday 2. No one finds standing in a "hacking circle" innovative or grand. The servers were not fixed in a timely manor, it took them multiple days before the game was literally even playable. Besides the players who bought the Gold edition and got to play the game a few days early, most people didn't even realize how underbaked the game was because they couldn't play it. Payday 2 also launched in a really miserable state, but the first time you talk about PD2, you mention that it was an instant classic, then later say that the launch of PD2 was also rough. I enjoyed the video overall but I almost think you're underselling how bad Payday 3 is, especially on launch. The game wasn't playable for days, the core gameplay loop is some how worse than where Payday 2 left off, most basic quality of life features weren't in the game at launch and are still not in the game (voice chat doesn't exist yet and the game just had a "community event" that was a total failure and wasn't displayed anywhere in game, if you didn't follow them on Twitter, you would have no idea an event was even going on), and the glacial pace that Starbreeze is pushing out these updates is actively killing the game. Payday 3 is a textbook guide on how to betray the fanbase you have built up for over 10+ years: Unfinished game False promises Horrible communication with your fans Drip feeding basic updates The list can go on. Payday 3 really stung when it came out, as I loved Payday 2, but there is literally no reason to play it, and honestly there may not ever be if things keep going the way they are now.

[@lucasLSD]

It served as context, they simply ran out of funds and time after all the terrible business decisions the second brother did.

[@lucasLSD]

Their walking dead game definitely deserves a video, this company was so mismanaged it's actually baffling how they are still alive.

[@edmonddantes759]

One thing that people tend to forget is that these games are all competing with your time. They are entertainment and you can only play so many games. The Payday 2 having 10 isn't that impressive compared to most live-service games. Also people say that everyone hates microtransactions but look at zenless zone zero. It made an estimated $300-350 million in just 1 month after its release so clearly people will play and can tolerate microtransactions if the game is good.

[@Moonerang]

I'm done with them, they want sympathy immediately but couldn't deliver anything of quality on time.

[@SHAdow98V]

Payday 3 is a failure and will remain one. Is there potential to save it? YES Will they save it? NO Imo they are in a paradox or infinite loop of inability, they need to make the game good and basically overhaul it entirely to make ppl buy it, but they can't do it without money from the ppl and ppl won't give the money until the product is worth the money so they need to do something they can't to gain the ability to do it to begin with. A deserved downfall truth be tol.d

[@BicirikBey]

14:32 PAYDAY 2 didn't launch with 12 heists. 4 of them were the same bank heist but the loot was different. Gold, cash, deposit boxes or random.

[@BrightAfternoonProductionsPlus]

Found the PAYDAY 3 dev burner account

[@brokenmartin4861]

that's true

[@Wasoney]

I'm just learning that there is a payday 3

[@alphaxgaming6879]

The only reason that i stop playing after the first weeks even tho i preorder the big bundle is because of the almost absent skills tree which is not even a bit interesting compared to the one we have in payday 2. Probably the only way of liking it is to not have played payday 2...

[@leoa1211gamer]

Even they deleted an game of Roblox was like this.

[@TheUpcomingPayday]

They need to stop worrying about dropping new shit right now and focus on making shit work and good, in the long run it’ll make new shit better

[@TheManHimself0213]

Simple, They looked at Payday 2 and said, “let’s remove everything the player liked about this.”

[@Jocken75]

12 levels now 8 at launch

[@maskedcrook]

Understandable that they forgot cook off and turbid if they left the game early on like their footage suggests

[@brokenmartin4861]

@@maskedcrook the video is full off misinfomation look on the payday 3 webside for what they have add

[@Dysmorphyx_]

I started playing payday two earlier this year with a group of my friends for the first time, and we all loved payday 2 and did a majority of the content in the game, and my only complaint with payday two right now is with the desync bug that is plaguing us on console, now I do know that we could play on PC and it would mostly fix that but 1.good pc’s are expensive and 2. We know nothing about pc’s at this moment. So at this point, I’m really just hoping that the developers for payday 3 go back and fix some of the bugs in payday 2.

[@baldwin585]

Payday 2 runs on just about everything but a work laptop

[@chainshishd9127]

PD3 has beda solo and I am enjoying it, I like that I can actually grab a hostage. I'm still figuring out the game only played it for an hour today. Going to spend some time on it tomorrow.

[@LNRivers]

downloading it now. pretty much only for solo beta mode. played payday 2 for years i’m hoping it’s okay.

[@headbreakable]

I played a lot payday2, only because I had a 750 laptop at the time.

[@misterymisterio8778]

So true. It's easily one of the best games with low requirements.

[@crisknap9635]

It failed because payday 2 had so much more variety and a giant map that random missions generated in this one it’s just kind of like six missions you replay over and over so dang boring

[@temubarrackslawyer]

Crappy graphics for 2023 standards, a mess of a launch, and don’t even get me started on the lack of the basic features that made Payday 2 great. I’m sick of the long term trend of games getting released half-assed under the guise that it’ll get fixed eventually.

[@rockerlalee]

Anyone who looked at the trailer of PD3 and thought "hey, that looks awesome!" must've been on a serious trip... It's true that PD2 was less gritty than PD1, but the third game downright looks like those "XYZ Simulator" games hacked together in Unity. I'm not a graphics whore at all, but what I'm saying is, you can just look at a game and tell that it'll be a hot mess, even before actually playing it; Killing Floor 3 is another bright example of this.

[@chi_ta]

I see no one mention the huge mitm vuln and exploits from release days but it also affected the game very negatively. That with also the fact the game feels rushed and empty compared to payday 2 with years of update behind. Using unreal engine seemed like a good idea but it added tons of bugs and exploits that were found almost instantly, some exploits involving guns anim syncs and vfx are still not patched to this day unless using mods. mitm api exploit might be patched but other glitch / but / exploits are still working and being gatekept to this day.

[@WhispersOfaSilhouette]

Damn sounds like buying the Valhalla engine really messed with progress. I wonder what potential he saw in it if it really was a mess like you said.

[@tommynguyen8164]

The one thing keeping me from playing Payday 3 is definitely the armor system. They need to bring back the Payday 2 armor system, if not something better

[@GoddessVel]

There's a purple armor system that is closer to payday 2 armor if you're interested. It has 2 plates and as long as a plate isn't fully broken, it fully regenerates a plate.

[@tommynguyen8164]

@@GoddessVel im 100% aware of that. My main issue is that once your armor is gone, you’ll likely get downed multiple times in the next few minutes unless you find some armor or repair kits. On top of that, dozers will likely take away at least one player’s armor plate off, so bots may be needed just to tank the shots and nobody needs to lose their armor

[@brokenmartin4861]

@@tommynguyen8164 just sounds like a skill issue

[@tommynguyen8164]

@@brokenmartin4861 trying to keep your armor is a skill issue, sure. But living off of hp, that is where i draw the line. You can’t call dealing with hit scan a skill issue

[@brokenmartin4861]

@@tommynguyen8164 living off of hp is the meta in the game, there is a skill that requres you to have no armor to work, there is adrenalin witch take priority over armor

[@pastasandwich]

the heists are really bad in payday 3, I don't think any fans are saying they're the best in the series

[@longliveducko]

i didnt even know payday 3 exists

[@docholiday4129]

I appreciate the sacrifice James made to his car seats for our entertainment

[@calebb7012]

Did you have AI write your script? Its awful.

[@janvranjes4554]

I had like 300 on payday 2 and loved it, I bought payday 3 few days after it came out for like 30euro or less and played around 50h, and it payed out in my opinion I liked it, but they should of put some of the classic maps right when the game dropped so it had a lot of maps to play, this few maps were not enough for it to stay relevant...

[@SGman3000]

Don't know if anyone else feels this too but PD3 just looks graphically comparatively worse to the second game, the art direction has a noticeable decline and almost reminds me of the flat looking setting of the first game. Yet still it also lacks so much of the color and character of the original.

[@tzu7zu]

The skilltrees are soooooo boring.. its the thing i hate the most.

[@eviljoshy3402]

They should have pulled a Total War: Warhammer 1-3. Just add the next game on top of the previous.

[@RagingKarma2]

I want to trust starbreeze to get Payday 3 back on track but i think they cant do it. Where Cyberpunk had the funds and even the plans to fix the game starbreeze does not.

[@insainetrooper7489]

PD3 was a big down-grade from 2. None of the game-titles afterwards triggered my interest. I don't know why they thought they could release what feels like a game with half of the features and content from its predecessor on launch.

[@Oldschool1943]

i remember grin from wanted game

[@mgmx2099]

Die Hard isn't a heist movie, its a Christmas movie.

[@danielchristie2519]

I was never looking forward to payday 3, just like how im not looking forward to gta 6 online , both payday 2 and gta5 online where updated for 10+years receiving to much content, there's no way a sequel cam surpass that, at least not at launch

[@bekfistwolf8248]

I think the game would be so much better if they just brought back some payday 2 stuff. More rng in heists, the skill tree system, and old way objectives were handled. They could just port some heists directly from the second game and there'd at least be more to do

[@lukebancroft]

I think pre planning is a lot worse in payday 3 I miss the pre planning of big bank and the diamond

[@DREFT_]

I don't want to blindly defend them, but they are trying to turn the game around. My childhood was PD2, been playing since 2014. I even remember the PD2 demo on the 360 that only had 10 levels and only the bank heist. I desperately want this game to be good, and I feel like it just needs more time. Obviously their priority isn't in the right place and I feel like they should've allocated more time on heists instead of ARGs and events. Overall, I agree with you, but I don't hate them and I'm not disappointed. If anyone asks me if they should buy the game, I always tell them to wait at least 1 more year before thinking about it, because if you look at my playtime, I only have 82 hours in the game, and I pre-ordered the game.

[@IHazPeppers]

Great video. Could you make a video on payday 3 from day 1 to now. Would be cool to hear about what has changed so far and how the road map is going.

[@zakifletcher8998]

I like Robokast but this was very poorly researched. A lot of what he said was either outright wrong or rife with errors. Would not trust him to analyse the roadmap at all tbh

[@tiwbonly9476]

I played payday 3 on launch and other than lack of content didn’t experience any of these issues. I follow payday and starbreeze/overkill very closely and have never once seen them “trying for brownie points” I think a lot of the hate is band wagon fit throwing

[@dragongames6076]

I was thinking on buying payday 3 but after I sent the reviews I just went for payday 2 instead cheaper and better

[@al-xo2cy]

to save teh game the dev would have to first listen to player second redo more then half of the entier game and lastly not make only paid update

[@Yoshikiraa]

Bro if they just did pay day 2 with better graphics and new additions they woulda made way more than they did with this release

[@lesm3652]

I played payday 2 for 2 days and was bored af 6mil in the bank with nothing to spend it on I found the grind pointless already after such short time playing was hopeful for 3 but sounds like 3 is even worse so I'll just stick with better games that have better progression for the time spent playing them thanks for the heads up on this one

[@leochronos9001]

greed makes man's soul very ugly

[@maktabati_]

They are already a crippled studio. They cant fix the game in a reasonable time. They need at least half a decade. Are they planning on working for free for that long? They already broke.

[@KnightmareSenpai]

Payday 3 had the potential to be good but the issue is they took the idea of payday 2 gave us less heists at the start of the game, gave us even worse progression, gave us micro transactions after they already knew people didnt like them in payday 2 and made it live service. Payday 2 aucceeded because the people working on the game genuinely cared about the game over the money while payday 3 is the opposite the devs only care about the money the game brings in and not what the playerbase wants

[@potatoking6324]

Crime Boss: Rockay City stay winning

[@JaedenLovesGaming]

Payday 2 just hits different

[@etiketi]

Commenting on your editing style here, you have smooth animations that don't jump around too much (which is good!), but I find that any time you bring in text (one at a time, which I think should just be put into one group) or images to gameplay or other videos, the slight swaying that everything does is a little jarring and distracting from what you're covering. Additionally, some graphics are repeated way too often which can make things feels clunky and repetitive. Think it would be better in the future if you lower the amount of idle motion things have. Otherwise, it is a good collection of information.

[@robokast]

Thanks for the feedback!

[@Bighaus1234]

Still pissed that with overkills the walking dead I had bought the season pass and never got any of the content. Lost 80 fucking dollars.

[@DeathMetalThrasher]

Payday used to be one of the best FPS games

[@uberempty]

i just remember the first 2-3 days of release. this game was massive. for that very very short period of time. but, those sales tho. i dont think the company sees it as a failure. it sold. may not still sell or be played. but it sold

[@ellip4565]

Payday 3 heists are bland and boring compared to payday 2. no variation, no replayability. The only thing PD3 does better is looking like a generic unreal game. until they completely rework the fundamentals I'm not reinstalling it

[@bend7347]

Payday 3 definitely has its problems but I prefer it to payday 2. Better graphics, gameplay is smoother and feels better. The instructions on stealth heists are a big yes for me. Payday 2 was sorta clunky and looked like an arcade game. Unreal engine makes the game look insane.

[@ShadowGun625]

Payday 3 heist are not the best in the series not even close they range from bland to never want to play this hiest every agian especially if you compare it to payday 2 hiest.

[@CheesyNoodlez]

When the Payday 2 Xbox launch was a complete disaster and unplayable online for months I vowed to not buy another game from them. I kept my word.