Robot Art Teachers (There Goes My Job) - Draftsmen S1E12

Technology and art collide as Stan talks about the exciting new AI tools he’s developing for students. Why should we have AI art teachers? Stan explains the strengths of human teachers and AI teachers. Marshall expresses concerns about the Terminator killing us all!
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[@ProkoTV]

What *art* problems do you hope AI will solve? Also, what current or future art tech are you most excited about?

[@TalhaMansoor]

VR art

[@mikaelkristiak2882]

3D digital tablets outside of VR, if they should be invented

[@kevin-lancheros]

I think AI will really fast the process of learning art as a skill. Probably with this, we will see a couple of learning freaks in the art world. Like really young people from all around the world, painting like masters, just thanks to online education

[@6stringsattack807]

i finished reading "the art of learning" by josh waitzkin and was a really good book, thank you proko :)

[@sidjones16]

None. Because the next step is automation. Why pay an artist if you can just get a machine to do it.

[@moderndayjames]

Marshall Vandruff giving great reasons to start smoking since 2019!

[@tahmas4330]

moderndayjames lmao

[@AlexJonHarvey]

The way Marshall connects the dots in his mind and finds these parallels with all this media and life experience he has is fascinating

[@jocslzr1]

The man is brilliant.

[@stuffystuff1661]

yeah, microwaves!

[@geoffreyblackmer]

It frustrates me the way Stan is so dismissive of Marshall. Marshall is brilliant.

[@rickcroucher]

@@geoffreyblackmer That's a thought I brought up a while back.

[@bohdan_lvov]

"Two art teachers begging our metal overlords for mercy for 51 minutes"

[@DisplayLine6.13.9]

circa 2019 hologramrized

[@yofu2969]

Oh shi.....

[@cleverestdevil]

To heck with your comment ofd the week. MY comment of the week is just how much I enjoy the relationship you two have. I've been listening since E01 and I just so much enjoy 2 artists from different generations; each equally qualified in the field of art, but also, individually, how Stan is into business and tech and development, and Marshall is into movies and birkenstocks and history - and you just appreciate each other, purely, as friends and individuals . And the outcome is this pod, in which you're trying to give us (the listener) a more well rounded education by way of mentorship. It's a special thing, this. Drink a bottle of wine and agree with me.

[@ProkoTV]

Thank you!

[@mtnsaray]

If a computer would constantly produce good art, it would devalue the good. In human's case, it's the possibility of creating a bad work that makes good art valuable. The good artwork made by an imperfect mechanism (in this case human) is what defines its value in my opinion. That's why impressionist works are more interesting than photo filters. Or a sculpture vs a 3d printed sculpture. We like imperfections more than the credit we give to it. Because it's these limitations that guide us to discover something unexpected.

[@NihongoWakannai]

But a computer can produce impressionist works. You're comparing artists to current day technology like photo filters, and of course artists come out on top. But there is nothing stopping neural networks from eventually being able to produce anything that current artists can and more. What is "good" is defined by humans and learned by the AI. If you think that "imperfections" are good, then the AI will learn how to make art with these "imperfections"

[@gregmcmill1798]

@@NihongoWakannai you're missing the point. He's not saying bad art is good art, he's saying that a computer that can create only "good" art would make the work have less value. If everybody is a saint then all that does is change the definition of sinner.

[@NihongoWakannai]

@@gregmcmill1798 that's exactly the issue though. AI will devalue the worth of art and artists will then all be out of the job. There is nothing a human can make that an AI will never be able to make. Most people do not care in the slightest about the process behind making art and entertainment, they just want to be given the product. There may still be some small demand for art made by humans as a niche interest, but most people will be much happier being given their personally tailored AI-made art.

[@mtnsaray]

@@gregmcmill1798 That was the point I was trying to make, thank you

[@carlosnavarrete1094]

I think this mostly applies to fine arts, art-only collections, galleries, etc. Call of Duty:Warframe players will care about how cool their soldiers look in-game, magic-the-gathering players will care about how "badass" this boiling swamp looks in his collection of cards, movie goers care about impression they get from this amazing design in Avatar 6. If a computer can make it quickly and with high quality based on current appeal (what's cool in the current landscape of human culture) then I believe many of the art jobs as we know them might disappear since companies making money off that art won't care how hard it was for the human to learn that. What remains is the art made for the purpose of the art itself, not for commercial purposes, which highly narrows the field of opportunities for artists.

[@IamALeaf]

Stan: *Finishes talking about the future* Marshall: I remember in 1956...

[@akashbart2765]

LOOL!! :P

[@varuntulsyan2558]

Is it just me who thought that robot teachers meant those teachers who are rigid in their approach and will follow their format like a robot and won't allow other methods/techniques in class?

[@vivek5420]

No, we are not going there. Don't watch too much Hollywood stuff😅

[@vivek5420]

@DESS DESS okay👍

[@LeMon-uw2hy]

The way you responded to that was amazing lmao, Respect +100

[@vivek5420]

@@LeMon-uw2hy thank you ☺️. I am too glad with you.

[@scottlemien5964]

Best part about this show is Marshall, imo. How kind he is, for lack of a better term, with his input. He makes me realize a few personality characteristics I would like to see in my own life just based on how he handles the show.

[@tb8865]

"Congratulations! You accurately defined the tuberosity of the ulna. The last time the art students were not able to accurately define the tuberosity of the ulna, I had to flood the art school with a deadly neurotoxin. So, good job with that. Now, let's get back to making art!"

[@rm9308]

"Your phenotype has proven its effectiveness. You will not face extermination and will be compared for epigenetic anomalies against those we are currently exterminating. Thank you for your cooperation."

[@luciferl7097]

As I'm drawing, I'm listening to the podcast and I've been enjoying it I've even laughed a few times, thank you for making this

[@runninghead_media]

What makes this such an interesting topic for me is that the conversation around it is still at such a fresh and unfamiliar stage for most. Many misconceptions, much emotion (fear, excitement, etc), strong opinions, both informed and ill-informed. As an artist and now tech teacher myself, I've found emerging tech conversations reveal so much about both the students and the topic itself. So much undiscovered gold to be stumbled upon! Thanks for such an infotaining piece.

[@kevin-lancheros]

This is an insane advancement in art education, it is really revolutionary! I can't wait actually to use AI for my own progress haha

[@bohdan_lvov]

Please, make Proko Critique app an actual product! It really will be useful!

[@ashlyrz252]

I feel like Marshall has finally been shamed into wearing shoes 😂 DON'T FALL VICTIM TO PEER PRESSURE MARSHALL! 🚫

[@sandy_inksane]

As a past IT programmer, and now professional artist, I loved this episode so much 🥰. Been through programming some software for my business (no AI though) to, the rewards are great! Keep going on this! You can be the pioneer!

[@JackTheUndying]

Super excited to see your table at lightbox, didn't know you were going! Thanks for the great podcast as always.

[@jeremydelagarza8317]

Hey Stan and Marshall, it's Jeremy, you answered my question on the show! Thanks a lot, for nothing! I feel more lost after your answers, haha. Jk, your answers were awesome and very helpful, I appreciate the insight and I'll definitely apply that to my process:) Oh, and I love you too Stan, ahaha. Super stoked for the AI Teaching program you guys are planning. As far as what direction... I would love to see something that deals with color and light. Also, character design could be cool, something that analyzes proportion, gesture, and design in general. Thanks again guys!

[@zachampsonartist]

Man i love this podcast, wish it went for longer! But still thankful!!

[@stout8529]

I'm wondering, how these AI apps would analyze different aesthetics and various drawing styles. Would it consider Bridgman's anatomy drawings as flawed, since they have pretty strong and exadurated forms.

[@jojogarcia8766]

Hm, good question!

[@KaiVentura]

If the next episode is about Marshall just trying VR, im not going to be mad.

[@XxHEAVYGAMERxX]

There is one thing I know fully well when it comes to art Is the emotion by it. Every artwork has different work and feelings put behind, which is why art itself feels so unique despite people making the same thing. No amount of technology can replicate what a human likes, it takes a human to understand another human.

[@kullenberg]

False. When/if we hit the hypothetical technological singularity, AI would understand humans better than we do.

[@kullenberg]

Now that I think of it, I think you have the problem reversed. It is not that AI would not be able to understand how human emotion works, it's that we, as consumers of art, could not relate to and understand AI. So perhaps in that regard, there won't be a context to the art without a flesh and blood artist we can identify with.

[@vipulgupta3517]

You have the example of a country like India not being in art and not having art schools just because it's not seeing as a prestigious of a job at that place. That statement is true as I personally have learnt a lot from the internet and now can draw anatomy from imagination it has only taken me 2 years of daily sketching now. That is because I didn't post for feedback much and tried to get more of my visual library expanded, sure there are times they look stiff but with time they get better. It's all about putting in the work and most people nowadays don't want to 'research' (that was the advice I was given by many people and yeah it helped a ton) they want things handed to them. An AI can't teach artstyle it can only teach something like a strict art teacher would do. Flexibility is more prevalent with artists who have been on the internet. Most of the aspiring artists from India tend to copy and paste others stuff which is a good thing for practice but they don't go beyond that not because they aren't capable but they choose not to do so. Blame the person for not being capable of understanding spatial information.

[@throttle101]

Draftsmen is so fun and informative podcast. Please add english subtitles soon for foreign and hearing impaired watchers like me. :)

[@TobiasSteiner]

I REALLY love what you guys are doing. Please keep going!

[@ProkoTV]

Season 2 will begin on April 7 and on it’s own KZbin channel… Be sure to subscribe! kzbin.info/door/fvIqreCk628yB9mp3e_ABQ

[@otakupower1048]

Young people think smoking cigarettes is gross, vaping is lame but weed is another story 👀😂

[@rm9308]

Just one word. Edibles.

[@drawer9987]

Look at "How to Use Creative Perspective" by Ernest Watson. Material in this book would break AI.

[@michaelmillan114]

Hey Guys! I think that's an awesome idea Stan! Since I'm so new to drawing and taking online courses, getting frequent feedback is very important to improve quickly. By receiving the 'Why' it's a bad drawing and 'How' to fix it would be greatly beneficial to me. Since I can't see what's wrong with my drawings b/c of the lack of experience, again, I approve this project.

[@maximel5347]

When you look at Stan's face at the end of the 11th episode and the beginning this one, it matches perfectly ! amazing transition xp

[@Magicme79]

I just spent forever trying to get Siri to turn on the lights in the kitchen. I’m not worried about AI taking over the world anytime soon...

[@FrostDrive]

Hahahah I loved that ending. It came out of nowhere but it was perfect for the episode.

[@aeonkwiz]

Listening to you guys talk about computers, algorithms and so on, is fun in a good way, you'd probably get the same kick from listening to me talk about art😁.Thanks for these!

[@MabinogiSheep]

I'm really enjoying these podcasts & videos! I was wondering if at some point there was going to be a segment like "Whats my thanggg" & voicemails but for art books or just books in general? Very interested in knowing more and I've learned of books I've never heard of from previous episodes. I wouldn't believe a singular episode could cover the vast sea of books and information so I would assume it would be better as a 10-15minute segment like answering a question from a voicemail or the whats my thanggg.

[@bohdan_lvov]

Can't wait for robots-podcasters!

[@koko969w]

Damn, robots taking everybody's job, Yang was right.

[@ryanodagawa]

Dakota deVilleneuve I saw AI in the title, so I scrolled down to look for the Yang Gang. 😂

[@ciscoponch67]

I saw this in 2001 Space Odyssey, "Let's see the perspective course Marshall." ......"I can't do that Dave".

[@yeye3999]

Always struggled with the more analytical part of drawing, relying more on my intuition. Would gladly have a robot correct my studies for me

[@theleechqueen]

I would love to see a more modern perspective course from Marshall. I loved his video series from the 90s. It has been so useful for me.

[@supermery323]

You guys are sooooo good doing this...

[@andreegendron]

Very very interesting, thank you. Please do more videos about this subject :-)

[@gregb91401]

My 8 year old daughters are learning to read music and play piano. They are great at reading notes in apps for learning note reading and they love to poke at and play the virtual piano they have on their iPads - but you sit them at a piano with a sheet of paper piano music in front of them and they struggle to read and play. There is a huge difference between our interactivity with computers vs our interactivity with reality. I'm imagining future art masters who are trained by art robots who can draw amazing art with very little intellectual and emotional depth. Humans and the human brain is designed to interact with reality and are extremely complex. It will be hundreds of years (if ever) when a computer can match the emotional in intellectual complexity of a human.

[@cforester]

My thoughts exactly. I could see the experience of joy on Stan's face when interviewing Glenn Vilppu, and the Tim Gula demonstration video's and many others. Live interaction with other esteemed artists as well as students in classes enriches the wealth of the community shared. Is art the perfection of the skill or the reflection of the human spirit to express emotional connections to our human experiences in all art forms?

[@yvonnegilbert5389]

I recommend to to everyone that I see that has a good eye for art. But hasn't gotten where they would like to be in their work. Because, let's face it we all can improve. It doesn't matter what level you are at. There is always more to learn. I love it. Thank you for everything you put out there. Please don't ever stop. Can you help me with a every technical problem? I have tried to draw perfect stars pentagram shapes and things like the geometry shape in nature. For example the way sunflower seeds fit together to from a perfect geometric shape. I'm sure there is an equation or formula for that. But I can't seem to find it. I've ask math teachers. But even they couldn't help me with this. The pentagram is something I tried, and now I'm just so frustrated with it. That now I just would like the answer. So I can do it perfectly.

[@nunofernandes719]

Hi guys! Amazing work. Can you guys do a show when you teach how you would approach and how far you need to go in studies to draw American comics. My feeling is, for draw something like marvel and dc comics sounds like you really need to know perspective, dynamic poses and anatomy but how far do you need to go in studies of fine art? Thank you for your attention!! Keep going with the fantastic work

[@rm9308]

You just need a Project Management algorithm plus an image search comparison algorithm. "Draw this one elbow angle for 5.3 days, human. Okay, your anatomy/composition/lighting/etc doesn't compare well to these elbow images I've collated."

[@Waynimations]

My favorite podcast to listen to when I'm not doing deep think work

[@casper3105]

that thumbnail is beyond perfect

[@crisaram_]

Something interesting would be an app where you input all your drawings, and everytime you make a new one and put it there, would tell you how would you have done it months ago, with the mistakes you used to make (even if it's in a very simple way), so you can see the improvement and gets you encouraged to keep going and improving more and more, because sometimes that lack of motivation is the worst thing that could happen In my opinion.

[@jorge21op]

Taking advantage of the theme of this episode, I recommend "All The Troubles of the world". Such a great story of Isaac Asimov. That's the IA of the Future. I think that with respect to art it will be more positive hahaha.

[@wickart4118]

"Be a big brother" I think the computers have us beat there too.

[@igsodaswirls1911]

50 seconds in and I’ve never heard of Marshall before but he’s so funny 😆

[@oddObjekt]

"Better" is not always best. Just because an AI can be better at judging, or possibly teaching, perspective doesn't mean it's the best option necessarily.

[@PabloPerroPerro]

Great! I always wanted to make robot art!

[@MarshalSheyth]

Oh i wanna see Vexus as a teacher this will make my day

[@JeemBare]

Some great AI art videos at the bottom of this post It is possible to realistically render practically anything these days; so in my opinion the real limitation for the AI will be interpreting what the artist is trying to draw (if they suck too much it might not be able to figure it out). After overcoming that however it will be able to generate a 3D representation that is what your scene would look like if drawn perfectly. Until then we will start with tools that just help with drawing just a box, or just anatomy, or just fixing lighting, etc. (Basically just reiterating what Stan was saying in the video) The next challenge will likely be how to give the best feedback for learning. I am not aware of much research going on in this area right now; Most research is still just trying to get the AI to beat humans, but I suspect soon more attention will turn towards AI assisted learning. Like Stan this area of research interests me greatly and I can't wait to see what happens. Aside from learning there will be tools to assist with the creation of art without requiring as much skill or time from the artist (see the videos bellow). That sounds like it might be a bad thing, but personally I think it will free up time for artists to focus on different aspects of the art like style, composition, and story telling. For anyone interested a great channel for learning about developments in AI is Two Minute Papers kzbin.infofeatured The channel creator has background in AI and 3D rendering so he often reviews papers that focus on visual AI. Here are a few videos having to do with art: kzbin.info/www/bejne/noiUkIafmdZmo5o kzbin.info/www/bejne/nJTRm3ujd8h_hLM kzbin.info/www/bejne/mqrdn2Z8otmqY6c Another great video showing how Corridor Crew VFX significantly improved upon some old CGI in large part due to AI kzbin.info/www/bejne/gXmUh2l5fbRkgM0

[@AssassinatorScout1]

“Hey good yeah I didn’t think about that” lol~ xD

[@mrstickbird]

Hey ProBro’s! I’ve had an anxiety circling my head for some time now and it relates to feeling like your medium is inferior in some way. I thought to ask this question when Stan mentioned VR being an entirely different medium. I’m a digital painter, however I hold enormous regard for traditional painting and its history, and usually spend most of my time studying traditional pieces in the digital format. However every time I show a family member, or a friend they are sincerely impressed, BUT, as soon as I mention that I paint digitally a sort of distrust seems to appear on their faces. It happens constantly with my father, who will retort with, “did you copy this” “did you do this on paper”. The questions kind of imply a sort of hierarchy (and misunderstanding) of creating art in general. Now in general, I’m pretty confident that this is just a reaction from someone who isn’t fully aware. But shit it really does chip away at my conscience, and REALLY promotes imposter syndrome. Where I really, really feel this insecurity is with the presentation of digital painting. It’s just so hard to see how you can ever place a digital print, and a traditional painting next to each other without regarding the painting as being procedurally superior. It just seems like digital art can’t be presented in the same contexts as traditional, and this once again, fosters some really unnecessary insecurity around my place as a painter. Thanks heaps in advance homies I really appreciate the podcast!

[@sharonoddlyenough]

Maybe a broader audience would help. It sounds like your audience are mostly older and unfamiliar with the processes and limitations of digital art. Keep going, it's not an easy medium

[@claudiafinelle7252]

I'd LOVE to have your books. Im surprised you havent done it yet.

[@weinstocksart6155]

I would like the AI to be affordable! That's a good feature. Lol. Anyway great show guys i always get excited when i see you two have released a new episode!

[@psychiccrocodile3679]

I really want to try vr art. I can't wait to see what people come up with

[@akashbart2765]

The challenge will be once algorithms start generating their own art - and how/will it benefit the full time artists? Actually, there already are some open-source projects in Github I think which are experimenting on generating artworks.

[@artacopia]

How about an app which generates random "Scribbles" which can then be used in whole or in part as inspiration for paintings or drawings or 3D art?

[@irvinsol8086]

Don't smoke cigarettes, it's the worst feeling ever. That is why people have suicidal thoughts, depression, and it actually makes you anxious instead of helping relieve it. Smoking cigarettes kills you, even if you eat healthy. After smoking, it kills all the nutrition that is good for you. If feeling dead is cool with you then by all means; I tried to warm you. Don't do it please. -Irvin

[@MandoTeresia]

I love Marshall so much

[@gnazlis]

Listening to this I have a million ideas about an online school with valid AI feedback... I wish I could talk to you guys...

[@jessejzetteart5180]

A good one, at the end.

[@sumitpawaskar1207]

and one more thing, that my art teacher notice in art class that i have a specific liking towards illustrations and Iam good in that, so he suggested me to look on those, and improve on that which I did ,and still I'am greatfull for my teacher.

[@jucaro-arte4716]

I did not get a word but I love you guys,,,

[@Makr0ss]

I was hoping they would bring up the coloring AI that Clip Studio has, also paintschainer, colourise etc

[@mkAYY825]

Heres an idea !! the student could select the kind of art they want to create, by continuoysly uploading their own favourite artwork into it, and the computer could help them compare and contrast their own work with it to find where they are going wrong. everything from anatomy to composition etc....the process could even help the user find their own voice by analyzing the commonalities of the artwork they like. all this data can be fed back to the proko server and over time AI would learn very rapidly because it will be receiving input from potentially millions of users, it becomes a user driven AI. this solves the "human reaction" factor aswell, because the students are indicating what kind of art they like by uploading it

[@novski3175]

Meanwhile I imagine the future of digital art close enough to Tony Stark's Simulation Work Place.

[@ThomasSchannel]

Very interesting episode, I wonder how the app development is doing now

[@Nukleurfire]

There is a video game called Art Sqool that has an AI teacher. I think it's more a satirical commentary on human art school instruction rather than a 'good' art teacher but it's still an approach at the same topic.

[@michaelhatch1336]

I don't know how you guys went this entire episode without mentioning Maximum Overdrive at least once.

[@ishheredia9626]

Id smoke Marshall up for a week if he was gonna die

[@andresoares7414]

What are those books on the table? Are those for learning perspective or to autocorrect ourselves? I am curious about that! :)

[@TheLightFantasticArt]

One of them is definitely Scott Robertson’s “How to Draw”.

[@andresoares7414]

@@TheLightFantasticArt Thank you! It would be nice to have some advice on perspective books, like the great anatomy books advices. That video was amazing.

[@burntrobot4850]

I think, on starting point when we need to sharpen our skill of realistic drawing the AI-instructor that can perfectly said what is wrong with our technic.

[@PervyOldToadSage]

I agree, ive never liked smoking because of its detrimental affects on breath, teeth and general health. but have always liked the aesthetic of it, i wish smoking was healthy so i could indulge in it lol, whether the old school pipe or the classic cigarette

[@petitio_principii]

Different reading patterns apparently have striking effects on how the brain does some things, I've skimmed some scientific literature in this regard, it's fascinating.

[@s.d774]

You could also create a lesson plan sort of like schoolism.com and have the A.I correct the assignments. That way it doesn't have to cover everything just the material from the assignments.

[@ArchiduquesaMA]

I never thought I would hear two illustrators talking about Machine Learning

[@bohdan_lvov]

32:20 "You can't teach AI composition, same as you can't say that Beethoven's sonnets great by any objective standard" Yes, but you can can feed AI an array of great compositions and it will average it and learn what composition great pieces have, aren't it? Because you don't really need to teach AI to understand composition - you need to teach it to know what _people_ like. No doubt that it will make a great Instagram helper, but more advanced and trained on the art pieces network probably could do this even now.

[@stuffystuff1661]

OpenAI has a music project trained in the styles of different musicians, maybe if they scale the project up 10 times we would get more impressive results.

[@philistine3322]

Yep it can churn out the average or other “in sample” solutions. Can it be creative though take 5 existing things add a 6th new idea to create something wonderful and genuinely new.

[@drawer9987]

How would I use the correction provided by AI to improve my drawing skill? Do I imitate it. . . blindly copying it? What does blind copying actually teach me? I've been copying for the better part of 40 years and I still haven't learned to draw. So what benefits will AI offer me other than to imitate it?

[@charnich]

Create a feedback loop: draw a box, run it through the app, take note of where you went wrong. Keep drawing boxes and running them through the app until your course corrections become intuitive

[@drawer9987]

@@charnich It's not that simple. Boxes are usually drawn with 3 visible faces and any one of the three could be accurate for a particular spatial orientation which may not be the box's spatial orientation. So which face does the app use to compare the accuracy of the other two faces? And how would the app know what spatial orientation of the entire box is being portrayed? See the problem?

[@janpur8226]

I have a good idea of how AI could help suggest composition fix for the painting (for drawings and line art it would not work tho or would be more complicated) but I don't think I could of explaining it in this comment. all I will say is that there is a way to teach AI to recognize clusters of detailed areas and pull them to the closest point of Golden Ratio. hope it made sense.

[@mullac1992]

I have anxiety and have problems confidently showing people my work. I know constructive criticism is useful, but all I hear is "you've failed". It would be much easier for me if I had an unfeeling computer to run it by first, so that I could *know* what niggly little proportions I could fix, which might give me more confidence to put it to a real set of human eyes.

[@dsarrazin]

WRT singularity, there are also some science books that also make a case that it will never and cannot happen. I also read somewhere about the future of humans and machines to be hybrids of both. At this point, it is all pure guesswork, as far as I'm concerned, particularly since no one has yet really explained what consciousness is and how it works. As such, it has as much validity as any other belief based on faith. For all we know, we could all just be in a giant simulation ourselves -- there are simply things that we don't know. Still I would think that good AI (if it works most of the time) can help, like any other complex computer system (such as face detection, for example), for certain types of things such as perspective, composition, colours, etc (unless you intentionally are break basic rules for specific effects, of course). It may actually help with regards to emotions even, since there are some rules regarding this, but somewhat more limited. As long as something can follow rules, no matter how complex, then the computer can analyse it. And you don't even need to know the rules -- if you give it enough data, it can figure the rules out itself from the data (assuming the data is good).

[@gnazlis]

@27:10 Have a 3D model generated by the AI for students to draw from. then have the AI compare and "correct" proportions and tones. It could also use the data from the Art-IMDB (from my othr comment) to account for the artistic value of the drawing.

[@joespadaford]

ai app that would be helpful. a color app that could look at a painting and break out and organized color swatch grid that first within a color wheel. the most no brainer ai app would be one that you can hum into and it smooths out your melodies into tracks that you can apply musical instruments too...not only instruments but also choirs. It would be a soundtrack sketchbook.

[@mariotapia881]

How about an app that can help develop skills on applying perspective for different camera lens conditions?

[@magiuspendragon]

Marshall, sorry to tell you but people have been doing that research for over a decade. I found a body of work from 2008 or so about an interactive art installation which used webcams to analyze people's emotional response to the artwork.

[@CCLinGameOnABC]

After an AI teacher analyzes my current performance level, it will recommend a set of exercises to improve performance. Advanced AI recommendations can be suggestions on exercises beyond ‘drawing”. They may be, based on the students’/aspiring artists’ preferred style/genre, color palettes, tonal values, etc.

[@sidharthsr4312]

when you talked about india, you just narrated my biography thank you

[@akashbart2765]

Engineering or doctor path? :P

[@limymage9186]

You could also create an ai that gives you a percentage on how original something looks working similarly to google reverse image search or repost statistics on imgur

[@soekmamaulana427]

can you guys do a video about inspiration..?? my worst struggle when i'm drawing is that whenever i'm ready to draw my mind goes blank, if know what to draw i feel i can make it and finish it, but the thing is i'm struggling what/where to start, evemn if i'm forcing my self to start filling my canvas i'm always drawing the same thing over and over and i don't want that.. so i hope you guys can adress this problem because i'm sure many artist have this problem as well.. thank you..

[@andrewzhao444]

They have a recent asking pros video on inspiration

[@trickjones13]

I think the perspective app you are working on would be incredibly helpful. I’m doing the 250 box challenge from drawabox.com and am still struggling to accurately draw them even after my 120th attempt. When is your app launching Stan?!?!? Keep up the great work

[@acidset]

Same. I think a public beta of sorts would be like a finished app in itself.

[@SubNorm4L]

If you can't do it, buy rubik cube or some small box and figure out how the angles change with every tilt. That's the tricky part, study it carefully, it'll become easier :) Draw 150 with reference, then 100 without reference. You will see the difference. That's how you study pretty much anything.

[@trickjones13]

Ice Tea thanks for the tip! I’ve been using references and trying to internalize how boxes rotate in space. I think I struggle when there isn’t a defined horizon line and I’m just trying to rotate freestyle

[@hadhayosh5105]

How much do I need to pay to get access to the Proko art rating app?

[@drawer9987]

Your left testicle for the anatomy app.

[@roughlyEnforcing]

Send in the clones! Standardized testing for art? No Thanks.

[@olgierdvoneverec4135]

that is the thing, it will tell you tings like anathomic mistakes, but it will never be able to tell your initention and no one can teach you to be an artist.

[@stuffystuff1661]

How can you even teach perspective whitout some sort of "perspective standards" ? For composition I get your point, but for other more "mathematical" knowleadge of art the experiments Proko is working on might be useful.

[@gamingrex2930]

I'd love an AI capable of teaching me anatomy because i suck ass.

[@JeremmyaDevin]

Oh boy now I rewatch it in the era of AI, it feels unreal and scary lol.

[@cleverestdevil]

P.S. I don't hope A.I. will solve any art problems I might have. I think that traditional methods have worked perfectly for anyone thus far. The curriculum exists. The only thing that A.I. could provide is some kind of synthetic mentorship. I don't know if that would include assessing the direction of the artist based on samples, or what. But things like the Bargue plates - only a mentor might direct you that way. Conversely, maybe you might need to digest everything Will Eisner had to say about art and narrative. Again, only a mentor might read between the lines. Can A.I. know who you want to be as an artist before you do?

[@bohdan_lvov]

23:30 Well, Virtual Reality is not a future per ser - live action Lion King was literally filmed in VR, they recorded movements of virtual camera done by a real DOP in VR set and used it as the main guideline. Avatar sequels also conceited in VR, so it's literally what's happening today, not even tomorrow.