ROC Mining is Broken....or is it? - How to consistently find more gems!

[@LoudGuns]

UPDATE: As of 3.17.1 the range at which ROC Mineables can be detected is now about 2.5-3.0km. The principal still works the same, it just isn't such a small range.

[@nodge8972]

Great vid, I was wondering if this was still current.

[@Noidhole88]

The problem I have on Aberdeen is that I keep finding 6 or 9 node hadanite but they spawn inside a large stone or a tree or something. Its always a good idea to get as close as you can and make sure the gems are accessible before going through the trouble to land and unload the ROC. Might have to try Daymar.

[@LoudGuns]

Yeah, the dunes of Daymar are better for avoiding those gem in rock moments, another point for my new favourite spot!

[@KhairulFadzlyAKarim]

So when the mining bomb that they are making came into the game those big rocks should not be a problem then?

[@vinniexl75]

@@LoudGuns i did have the occasional gem in rock moments today in 3.16 on Daymar, though most were ok. Otherwise, thanks for the awesome and clear tutorial.

[@aimlessgamre2065]

god saying cutless white cause your ship is a cutless black but with a white skin makes it sound weird lol

[@gatorpika]

Nice. Next up how to defend yourself with the mining laser from all the pirates who will be preying on ROC miners after the wipe. :0

[@LoudGuns]

Send all the other people to Daymar while you go to Wala? Wait no delete delete delete

[@djsixninesix]

Rail gun

[@mobiusnm]

Rail gun and manually flying to a point since porates cant see your pings anymore

[@digitalfabric]

Brilliant! This was the most useful video on ROC mining that I have come across in the last year, and I have seen many. Thanks for putting it together!

[@LoudGuns]

Cheers Ashley - all you need are vector diagrams!

[@pbeatz911]

Awesome video and incredibly helpful. I will try that from now on whenever I am going for ROC mining. Let's hope the rocks donÄt spawn inside bigger rocks.

[@GravitasZero]

Tried roc mining for the first time recently, tried to bring the roc back on the cutlass black, failed to go up the ramp because it was 10 cm off the ground… Got out of the roc to pilot the ship to a more flat area, died for walking on said ramp. Alt-F4ed out of there and stopped SC for the day.

[@KodiakGaming]

Gonna have to try this method, been having a hell of a time finding hand minables since the scanning update, granted Quant has been way easier to find so the wallet hasn't suffered, but I need to brush up before the wipe.

[@LoudGuns]

Indeed- figured this might be useful since we’re going to have to roll back come the wipe!

[@jeremygrant1325]

Yeah I think I need to bounty my way up to a prospector and just run around for quant

[@SHOCKSTRUT]

Great video man! I'm new at ROC Mining and this method of scanning helped a lot. I found a cluster of 10 Hadenite stones and halfway through my ROC overheated. As I'm new I didn't know what to do. I moved what I could by hand into my Cutlass Black but had to log out in the bed as I was headed out to dinner. When I logged back in the gems were in my cargo but outside my ship my ROC was gone as well as the remaining five Hadenite Rocks. Dang! Where'd you get that Cutlass paint job?

[@MrHowdi]

In 3.15 and this advice is still great for someone getting into it, I had this method already in use, but found that I am traveling too slow. I can now fly at around 300ms or faster, covered almost 3x the ground. This is great!

[@LoudGuns]

Perfect - glad it’s helping out mate!

[@GuyJustCool]

The actual optimal coverage speed idea is great. Thank you boys. Dont run into mongrels

[@philipbaker6516]

This was really helpful it understanding how to actually search.

[@celeste136]

Had my first ROC mining experience the other day. Went pretty well, mined about 6 rocks and figured "this is good enough to take back to sell". Game crashed 5 seconds later. 10/10 would suffer again.

[@SHOCKSTRUT]

Just had an idea... when my ROC overheated half full couldn't I have just jumped in my Cutlass, hopped over to Shubin mining facility and just sold the contents of my ROC or does the ROC physically have to be present @ Shubin? I need to try this.

[@onchainrick5004]

So it seems that ROC Mining isn´t that cool anymore as it was :D thinking about to switch to Prospector mining :P

[@praetormaximus]

I honesly dont know how you can mine, I tried that yesterday, took me a bit to understand how mining works, but I got it, then I went looking for rocks, after 5 hours I finally found 1 hadonite node, mined it, quickly went back to deposit it and got a system crash, lost all of it. Tried again this morning, after 1.30 h couldnt find a single one, gave up right after another 30k. I will stick to quick bounties or buy a prospector, not worth my while

[@Shadow-Hawk]

I find more gems using the prospector than I do with the Drake. Its just to bad you can not pick up the gems with the prospector, you have to go pick them up by hand. I spent 2 hours collecting Hadanight and filled the prospector storage full and the 120K back pack and all storage areas full. Then on the way to sell them and the damn game server crashes. The worst thing about this game is the Developers are to into making money with adding new ships to try to lure people into the game, and the sad part is the game has loads of bugs and crashes and server disconnection errors. and they seem to not have them on their top priority list. So when you buy the game come's a big disappointment, your buying game pieces and no game to play them on. They really need to get their heads out of their asses and start fixing the game. So far their hasn't been much progress with bug fixes/.

[@mike_d_melb_music_fan5229]

Do you need / want differert mining modules for the Roc? Or does they just apply to mining ships ?

[@MrGrumblier]

Thank you very much for this. I never noticed the difference in ranges. This will help me immensely. Now, if the damn game would stop losing server connection every time I have a full load of ore...

[@silentone11111111]

Daymars big. Do I go somewhere in particular or just fly anywhere? Hope u can help. I’m really struggling with the roc now and was considering melting mine.

[@maliev6092]

NICE VIDEO AFTER 30 MIN GAME PLAY SERVERS CRASHES HOW ABOUT THAT AFTER 1 WEEK GAMEPLAY IS NOT WORKING LIKE GAME IS LIKE 30 MIN PLAY 10 BAKCK TO DEKSTOP AND START AGAIN WHIHOUT YOUR LOOT AND CARGO 3.17 UPDATE AND ON EACH PLANET SAME BASES AGAIN AND AGAIN OO AND YOU NEED PRETY BUFT UP PS LIKE 2.000 EU AND RAM 32GB NO LES AND WIND IS BLOWING YOUR SHIP AWAY LOL

[@rio20d]

I always prefer Daymar, the atmosphere is thin and you could see far ahead ( better field of vision) with Abeerdeen the atmosphere is so thick, you cant see a bloody thing ,until you get quite close to the surface lol

[@tommo2944]

good but of info thanks mate - been flying around at about 75........time to speed things up :)

[@Underleaf76]

How do you get the fly over shots outside of the cockpit, is there a key bind or special camera angle you use for that? The footage is amazing.

[@timdavis6913]

Thanks for the content. I'm buying a Greycat after work today.

[@peoplelikeus3684]

Where are the best named locations for hand mining if you're in a starter ship and just wanting to grind your way into bigger better etc.

[@BreadbearWasHere]

This is really helpful I used to just go for any blocks symbols and hope their gems

[@arcadealchemist]

we need scan blades be cool to be able to scan faster and lock on scans so it shows details on a radial pip

[@LoudGuns]

That would be really cool, I hope there are plans for plenty of server blades so that they don’t just become a way to avoid multi-crewing multi-crew ships. One thing I’d like to see is a kill warrant scanner like in ED, enhancing the payouts you get from Bounties to an extent that it’s better to multi-crew something like a Scorpius rather than just slaving the turret.

[@aimlessgamre2065]

The only thing that is more important then family is ROC mining a dude on in game chat said that lol

[@JeffrikOG9]

I just dont have the patience for mining

[@blacknass1943]

thx for video ! wy the hell mak cig not biger scan circle ? fuck :(

[@olmecultra6588]

Is the scan a sphere or a box? So, as altitude increases the surface area scanned decreases???

[@LoudGuns]

Based on the animations it appears to be a sphere, so low flying does help a lot.

[@olmecultra6588]

@@LoudGuns I have found that the Nomad excels in this role. It is nimble, small and has excellent cockpit visibility allowing you to effectively touch the cockpit glass to the node if needed to examine it before breaking out the ROC. It is also easy to park just about anywhere. :)

[@LoudGuns]

@@olmecultra6588 yeah I do really like the nomad for roc mining, although I did make the mistake of doing a qt jump with the roc on the back once :(

[@Sentrix141]

Thank you so much! Was wondering what I was doing wrong

[@chromee2007]

There's one thing about the ROC I had trouble with was loss of power on the lazer , after mining continously after a while I couldn't mine anymore deposits. Is it true the ROC power depletes over time? I have to store then reclaim in order to continue.

[@LoudGuns]

I think this is a bug with the laser switching modes while still visually showing the other one. Hopefully they fix for 3.15, but one thing I’ve found does seem to help - when you’ve finished extracting switch the laser back to fracturing mode before you switch off the mining mode and put the arm away. Let me know if this helps.

[@HadoukenPotato]

Will make good use of the speed:coverage calculation, thanks again dude. Love your schtick, keep up the good work!

[@LoudGuns]

Cheers mate - as with most of life maths has the answer :D

[@dementegg]

It's that white color skin for the cutlass is still for sale?

[@damian3182]

This was very helpful! Thanks!

[@DigThat32]

Great explanation

[@LoudGuns]

Cheers mate, and thanks for all your great content!

[@ratskigoblinski4963]

thank you. ( 4 the Algorithm) 👍

[@redskizedski7336]

Mining’s so glitchy at the moment, I wouldn’t even bother. Storage depot’s not seeing ship/Roc inventory. Log on the next day and find yourself losing it all and ending up in blue pyjamas even though you logged off correctly the day b4 grrrrrrr… still waiting on my ticket!

[@LoudGuns]

Ah it’s glitchy for sure but still some of the best cash in game for new players. That said I’ve got hopes that the mining gadgets in 3.16 make mining in a rental prospector viable.

[@baileywills8267]

How did you get that skin for your cutty

[@TacticalBeard]

How do you set up scanning In a ship?

[@winterband1]

This is the single most helpful video I've found on this matter. Thanks!

[@LoudGuns]

Cheers man - vector diagrams have their place after all!

[@Jambon3D]

Dude, thank you! I knew I was doing something wrong, used to find gems so easily

[@LoudGuns]

No worries mate! Glad it was helpful!

[@Xstewi]

Thanks very much!

[@arielm9847]

Massive nerds are cool. Thanks for the guide. Really helpful.

[@LoudGuns]

Haha - cheers Rhys!

[@artificerempyrean239]

Damn, someone ingame told me to fly 50m/s. Gonna try this tomorrow and see if I can actually find some rocks.

[@LoudGuns]

Oof, they need to find this video too :D

[@itscheswomack]

How do you keep your ship and ROC from being stored everytime you go to land to sell.

[@raholll]

why would you keep it from being stored, you want to store it, so that nobody can ram it on the pad. U can sell/process ore also when the ship and ROC is stored inside station. The persistence should make it so that the ROC will be inside the ship after you take it out again, until you claim the ship.

[@WyzDat]

Good vid. Thanks dude

[@jordanrivas7398]

This is an absolutely brilliant guide. This is going to help a ton in 3.15 when any earning potential will be even more important.

[@LoudGuns]

Cheers Jordan! Yeah I figured a lot of folks would be back to a ROC and maybe not aware of all the changes.

[@shadowfax9861]

Currently not getting mineral id from scanner. Having to land and scan with ROC

[@LoudGuns]

Some of these elements have developed new bugs in 3.15 - a good trick can be buddying up with a guy in a prospector though. Can scan for you and break the gems quick (particularly with a lancet) using short bursts.

[@dancinspace]

Great tips, thanks!

[@Sneemaster]

What's that white Cutlass paint? It looks cool.

[@LoudGuns]

It’s the 2950 best in show paint - a personal favourite of mine for sure!

[@skel3t0nman55]

Thanks that really helped

[@unitybeing777]

Awesome, ty. Subbed.

[@Monkeyman5625]

How do you suck the gems up without them flying all over the place?

[@LoudGuns]

Hi Monkeyy, it’s a bit buggy in 3.15 but I generally find the best way is to be patient - set the extract going but then leave your laser pointed in one spot on the ground (don’t move it even when it starts picking gems up). It’ll pick them up from a patch even from one spot so once they’re done move it and do another patch etc. Moving the laser around like a paintbrush can lead to them going everywhere.

[@Maxos43]

Nice tips dude ! Any workaround for collection ? They don't want to come in the ROC just messing around :/

[@Mischievous65]

Amazing explanation. The depiction with the circles was exactly what I needed to understand what the active scanner was actually doing. Also, thanks for the range update.

[@nathanixslade]

Some times i use Mine lazer in 100% and the rocks gems no get hot, so i need to restart the game to continue mining.

[@LoudGuns]

Hey mate - instead of restarting try taking your roc back to the mining station, store it and bring it out again. Usually fixes that bug.

[@Jett_Heller]

Many thanks for this. Usually went slower and was looking for the gem icon without realising that they may also appear as a box. Got a thumbs up from me!

[@LoudGuns]

Cheers man- if it’s helpful I’m doing something right!

[@Jett_Heller]

@@LoudGuns Keep up the great work!

[@threerisingsuns]

I tried this method, but unfortunately, it doesn't work for me. I tried Aberdeen, Arial, Magda, and Daymar. I flew around until I burned through all my fuel. After a couple hours of scanning, I found 0 Hadanite, 1 cluster of Dolovine, and 2 clusters that spawned underneath larger rocks and thus un-mineable. ROC mining seems totally broken now in 3.15 unfortunately.

[@LoudGuns]

Tbh I’ve found the scanning part ok, but extraction currently seems to have issues. Hopefully get it fixed before live but at least there’ll be a 3.15.1 patch with IAE

[@stoneguard]

Great technique, thanks for sharing!

[@LoudGuns]

No worries mate - glad it helps!

[@CptFrosty]

I have a problem with the extractor not being able to pull anything in after the inventory reaches 23.5 out of 80. Anyone else having this?

[@thegobstopper323]

"I'm a massive nerd thats gonna show you charts" -- I about died. Good shit brother.

[@KhairulFadzlyAKarim]

Thanks, it took a while but I understand your ROC method.

[@mobiusnm]

We were unable to get ping results at 1200 meters. We had to fly within 150 meters to get gens to result on a ping. Altitude meter showed 1000 meters when we were hugging the ground. Wonder if thats part of the issue. This was on auberdeen.

[@davidhiggins2804]

how much money can you make from this and how long does it take ?

[@LoudGuns]

Hi David, probably if you get good you can hit about 200-300K an hour if you purely go for hadanite and only stop for clusters of at least 3 nodes.

[@kemosawbe8074]

Very well done

[@rusbilak2186]

I'm a new citizen and I appreciate all your videos. I purchased the ROC paint package, and now can't figure out how to apply any of them to my ROC, lol.

[@LoudGuns]

Lol don’t worry Rus - it’s confusing. Make sure you’ve got your home base selected as either Lorville or New Babbage, then claim your roc to there if you’ve already had it out somewhere else. You’ll then be able to apply the paint in the vehicle manager part of the mobiglass

[@rusbilak2186]

@@LoudGuns I got it done, but it cost me 5.000 aUEC :) The ROC wouldn't show up at Lorville until I loaded it in my Freelancer Max, landed in the hangar, unloaded it from the Max and parked beside it. That got me the "reckless vehicle operation" and my Freelancer got impounded. After I paid the 5,000 fine the ROC showed up in my vehicle manager and I was able to change the paint.

[@kethtemplar8989]

Thank you!

[@benny3188]

Hate Island Monky english...

[@LoudGuns]

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[@djsixninesix]

Thank you

[@SolSearcher]

If it wasn't for videos like yours I don't know how I would have ever learned this. Thanks!

[@myarbro909]

I think I commented about this on a previous video of yours. Finding them has never been an issue for me. Fly low, and fly slow. My problem is that I get about 2-3 good groups mined before they desync. You can see them, scan them, but your mining laser doesn't have any affect. I have tried just about every solution in the book, and the only thing that fixes it is a relaunch of the game, which wastes a lot of time. I hope that gets fixed.

[@LoudGuns]

Ah sorry if I missed that - I think there’s an issue where the laser bugs and switches. Rather than logging out one definite way to fix it is to go back to the mining outpost and put the ROC away, then take it back over - it’ll work. I also found you can reduce the frequency it happens by switching your laser back to mining mode from extract before you exit mining mode.

[@myarbro909]

@@LoudGuns 2 things I haven't tried yet! Thanks dude, I will give it a shot and leave feedback.

[@LoudGuns]

@@myarbro909 cheers man - it’ll be good to know if it’s just me thinking it works :) I think I meant “switch back to fracturing mode before exiting mining mode” - words fail me past a certain time in the evening!

[@zpilot4523]

@@LoudGuns the storing definitley works. But switching back doesn't stop the "laser ceasing to work" but it does help negate the switch bug

[@HadoukenPotato]

A person on the council thing suggested holding down 'right click' and 'Y' together and it actually fixed it for me. You switch the mode and exit buggy at same time. The lady voice repeats the mode when you get back in the buggy and it syncs up again. At least that's what happened to me on the one occasion I tried it. Did feel as though it glitched back into place. Much Hadanite will be had

[@FreeLancer0nyx]

Loving the quantitative data like this

[@LoudGuns]

Cheers mate!

[@anthonyclare6750]

thanks for the info mate, subbed

[@LoudGuns]

Cheers Anthony!! Much appreciated.

[@baronvonschnellenstein2811]

Thanks for this video, Loud Guns. Like your ship mining video(s), a thorough, but clear and concise guide. Whilst mining / scanning has changed again in SC 3.17, the overall principles are still applicable - I can improve my mining by following your tips around setting radar coverage angle and optimal traversal speed for efficiency and coverage. Cheers!

[@StarBadger07]

Great info. Thank you!

[@LoudGuns]

Cheers Scott!

[@michaelnapper4565]

Subbed after that video. thx bub!

[@LoudGuns]

Cheers Michael - much appreciated!

[@bjaarki]

Great video man. Noob to the game (couple thousand hours in ED tho lol) and this will help massively. I was facing all the pitfalls you mentioned - 180 degree scan angle, 100 m/s speed etc. Thanks for the info AND outlining specifically why yours is a better method. Exactly my kinda nerdery!

[@LoudGuns]

Glad it helped you out Nathan! Now if I could only go back and apologise to the maths teacher I repeatedly questioned on how I would ever use what she was teaching me 😂

[@keyr3733]

At last some math to consider!)

[@LoudGuns]

I’m glad my level of geek doesn’t seem to put many people off!

[@TheBrotherGrimm]

This is actually a pretty great guide! Props dude!

[@LoudGuns]

Cheers mate - glad it’s useful!

[@CubicleRanger]

A star citizen content creator that rolls out vector geometry and Excel for his vids? I've found my home. Haha. Keep up the great work; your profession guides really helped me get oriented coming back after a few patches away. Glad I found it. Easy like & subscribe.

[@LoudGuns]

Cheers mate, I know my content might be a bit too dry at times for some people….but it’s exactly that level of nerd that makes it perfect for others!

[@TheBod76]

Great Guide! Thx alot!

[@LoudGuns]

Cheers mate!

[@andgame4857]

In 3.15.1 the ROC mining is not broken, selling is.

[@LoudGuns]

Try taking the ROC out of the ship and popping it on the pad of the platinum bay. Should sell from there.

[@andgame4857]

@@LoudGuns Correction: not entirely broken :D

[@Tikky177]

This is the best clearly explained video of mining basics with ROC! Thank u!!! No shit talking, just facts and tips

[@LoudGuns]

Cheers mate - that’s what I aim for……well maybe I talk some shit from time to time :D

[@TexSweden]

Good info, thanks!

[@LoudGuns]

Cheers mate!

[@francoish1528]

Brilliant man. Brilliant.

[@LoudGuns]

Cheers Francois!!

[@tallaaron1115]

This helped, thank you. I joined your discord also to find people talking about mining. What interesting timing. Ha ha :D

[@LoudGuns]

Nice! Glad to have you onboard mate!

[@mastersoanes]

Gems.... That's outrageous, truly truly outrageous. Great description 👍

[@LoudGuns]

Truly :D

[@ericcattanach6243]

What armour is that?

[@LoudGuns]

It’s Greycat Aril armor- I bought my orange one from the substore but it’s available to buy in game in yellow or blue. I’ve got a guide a few videos back on where to find it.

[@negative-7846]

You have a great voice and speaking skills, plus you make really nice videos. +1

[@LoudGuns]

Thank you very much! And after many many many comments having to apologise that my voice is gravelly from a misspent youth it’s really nice to get my first positive one!

[@BerraLJ]

Last try i did i found 2 sites with ROC minables inside a large rock, yeah that helps lol. Ohh and i hope we get a paint for the mole, can't stand the orange see me and shoot me color :)

[@LoudGuns]

Yeah that seems way to common on Ariel for me to keep recommending it. Personally I will paint my mole an even brighter orange….and hire security.

[@OMeffigy]

Nice! I like this method. I have been doing slow rolling and not scanning to avoid pirates but, I didnt realise how this was working. Thanks for the info!

[@LoudGuns]

No worries- I think they even introduced something in 3.15 so pings are now not visible to other people, so should be safe enough!

[@presidiun]

My problem is that what I mine tends to disappear in the map and I can't collect what I've mined.

[@LoudGuns]

Yeah unfortunately gems have been glitching into the planets a bit more recently which does suck, haven’t found a good way around that just yet.

[@Maxxmentum]

I have a Taurus, but when I get a chance I will give this a shot. The 1.2-1.4 is helpful.

[@LoudGuns]

Nice - Taurus should be quite good for it, although I don’t honestly know how a Connie flies at 400m/s planetside :D

[@nethead72]

Sharing with org, excellent breakdown. My tactics were all wrong lol.

[@LoudGuns]

Cheers Levi - let me know how you guys get on!

[@Darthianxs9]

Thank you

[@LoudGuns]

You’re welcome mate!

[@TjarkoTarnen]

Great advice there, thank you. Traveling too slow does sound like it's the issue.

[@LoudGuns]

Cheers mate, you’re most welcome!

[@DraegerV1]

I just tried your method and i went from finding 4-6 mining nodes in 2 hours to about 30 nodes within 30 minutes. Thanks for your time, really helped me out!!!

[@LoudGuns]

Cheers man, great to hear!

[@caringthunder2153]

Where on Daymer can I spawn roc

[@LoudGuns]

Just look for any of the shubin mining outposts - they’ll have a blue platinum bay building with small pads.

[@caringthunder2153]

@@LoudGuns ty