Rocksteady Back Then VS Rocksteady Today

[@NikTek]

Hey Everyone! I am making a more detailed video like this, including all the characters that were changed in Suicide Squad: Kill The Justice League, stay tuned for that

[@fuzzyotterpaws4395]

It's good that they change things, and the multiverse gives a nice reason for that too! Plus I really like her personality as well and it's nice having some more LGBTQ representation as well🏳️‍🌈

[@fuzzyotterpaws4395]

It's a shame how people in these comments are sexist and homophobic for no reason, and others think every female character has to be unrealistic to appeal to horny heterosexual men when attractiveness is SUBJECTIVE! I can't believe how hateful people are...🤦🏻‍♂️

[@FiniteXbc]

People are not being homophobic by no like the character design and direction

[@secoTheSonicFan]

​@@fuzzyotterpaws4395They can make a separate gay game

[@secoTheSonicFan]

​@@fuzzyotterpaws4395Here is a real world fact. The vasr majority of heterosexuals won't buy gay content. That has always been he case and always will be. Problem is, Rocksteady *originally had a fanbase.* Their decision to add contradictory content is what caused this game to flop followed by mass layoffs

[@konradha]

Back then: moved to tears by timeless drama and dialogue. Now: who are these idiots?

[@meghanachauhan9380]

Obligatory inclusivity quota. Courtesy of Pseudo liberal dictatorship

[@monarch_9634]

self inserts of the *equity* hires. They're so far up their own arse that anyone that doesn't believe that they are the second coming of Christ must be one, or many, of the 'phobes and blinded by their own hatred. really wish I was making this up, but there's so many examples of "moral characters" doing abhorrent and vile things; mary jane, from the insomniac games, working up a individual with asthma just to create a diversion comes to mind.

[@joelshajan4996]

Now : Brought to tears by cringe and stupidity As they say, a character is only as deep and intelligent as the person writing him

[@vevisar]

Yea, who are those idiots? Like really, I don't know who they are and I wouldn't be confident in their ability

[@shikharraje]

Okay, first things first. Yeah, the Suicide Squad game is shit, with bad writing and bad acting. But, I wonder, how much the SOURCE material impacts the adaptation. Batman: The Animated Series (Kevin Conroy one) had such LANDMARK writing and character building. IIRC, I read somewhere that Two Face and Harley Quinn were actually such well written, original characters, they were reverse adapted into the comics. Talk about awesome character work! I'm sure anyone who has seen Two Face's arc from the cartoon show remembers the goosebumps moment when Two Face is undergoing surgery, and someone tells him Bruce Wayne is picking up the tab, and he just goes "Good ol' Bruce. He was always there for me.". TL;DR Suicide Squad game is shit, because Rocksteady dropped the ball, obviously. But the source material is slop, too. EDIT: Typo in identifying the game studio behind Suicide Squad.

[@michaelwilliams298]

You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become mrs freeze.

[@JesusPlsSaveMe]

Turn to Christ. He is willing and able to save you. Confess your sins to him and remain fervent in the spirit

[@bilobaha]

@@JesusPlsSaveMe damnit man just live that moment dont put everything on faith sometimes your faith is fek you up

[@Ezio999Auditore]

Deny the talmud.

[@KattarAthiest]

​@@JesusPlsSaveMe I rather not 😂😂

[@mantraki]

Christian bots now?, there are truly bots for everything​@@JesusPlsSaveMe

[@АлмазЖексен]

She doesn't even sound like him, Mr. Freeze talked slowly, like a machine, but his words and actions showed his emotions. She just talks like regular human.

[@ozymandiasramesses1773]

While coming across as completely distant and detached.

[@fuzzyotterpaws4395]

She's SUPPOSED to be cold (literally) and calculating. She's not a humorous villain, just a scientist doing wha she does for her wife, same as Victor. How do people not understand that? Her personality works really well, especially to contrast the more crazy members of the squad.

[@NRDoesStuff]

@@fuzzyotterpaws4395she sounds great for someone who is constantly under extreme cold conditions. Look at Mr.Freeze in arkham knight. Some of his skin has fallen off, and his body is worn from being in the suit for so long. Mrs.Freeze on the other hand dosen’t seem to care that much, and just looks like another “strong woman” steryotype when that isn’t what the character mr freeze is supposed to be. He may be strong yes, but deep down he is a broken man trying to do anything for Nora

[@АлмазЖексен]

@@fuzzyotterpaws4395 That's not what I said?

[@SauXS]

She doesn’t feel the cold because of the great flame of DEI and feminism burning within her. Weak men like the inferior Mr. Freeze couldn’t even hope to withstand what a proud woman can do. So brave.

[@zooli9]

The fact that the Batman universe has so many well established female villainesses (even freeze releated) yet they do this feels like some twitter ragebait for attention

[@lockinggone7862]

They even have the ones that are cannon to Arkham itself.

[@lastsong7159]

The rage bait went so hard it caused LESS people to play when it came out. Big brain move.

[@ultimateslinger9857]

That’s what I feel like they did with the Penguin in the new Batman series coming out. They made him a woman for some reason. That also feels like rage bate. I really hope the show is just good 🙏

[@GreenNinj4]

@@ultimateslinger9857wdym, he is played by Colin Farrel and he is a guy just like in the movie. The girl is Sophia Falcone, Carmines daughter.

[@neojenshi4055]

​@ultimateslinger9857 to be fair... ms penguin is far better written than what ever this crap is.....

[@Sound557]

Hope the “modern gaming audience” was worth it Rocksteady.

[@wulfone5961]

It wasn't. The game sold like the hot garbage it is.

[@praiza1481]

Pretty sure they are worth it, all twelve of them!

[@bloodstone1992]

Pretty sure even the modern audience didn't want this

[@doop00]

They lost $200 million on this game.

[@turboterps]

@@wulfone5961 hope they are closing down and nobody is allowed to make any Batman games anymore

[@orwhynotrandom]

A game not even worth pirating Now lets see ubisofts latest slop

[@anandaalden1249]

you read my mind

[@AKRulesu]

I pirated it and uninstalled within an hour

[@jalpat2272]

@@AKRulesu wshat waste of data

[@sillverre]

@@AKRulesu you can pirate live service games ?

[@NaimChowdhury-cj4kk]

Bro don’t even bother, the assassin’s creed shadows drama is such a shit show that it’s probably gonna turn out to be awful. I mean seriously Ubisoft somehow managed to make assassin’s creed shadows hated by an entire country….. Before it EVEN CAME OUT! I can already tell assassin’s creed shadows is not gonna be good.

[@SL4PSH0CK]

Mr.Freeze acts humane. Mrs.Freeze acts robotic.

[@lharsay]

Mrs. Freeze sounds like a Kotaku journalist

[@Gamerguy-ud1zo]

Is it really that hard for them to try and at least make the character more consistent because otherwise she might as well be a new character. If they wanted a female freeze they could at least maybe do a role reversal where it was the Husband that had to be frozen and the wife tries to save him or just bring in Killer frost.

[@thisguy3500]

Because everyone is at least 50% black and autistic for 'modern audiences'.

[@petrasixz4306]

Mrs Freeze exemplifies the woke rotten brain people😂😂😂

[@petrasixz4306]

The new game is freakin ugly AF Damn what awfulness the DEI filth brings

[@yparchive]

Damn, what a complete downfall. The quality of the writing has fallen off a cliff.

[@AntonioRivera28]

and the voices actors themselves are worse now too

[@zalabit927]

Before: I don't want you to die, Nora... Now: Akshually, she has undergone vitrification, she's not an action figure🤓

[@SOSO_CREPITUS]

I was actually tearing up in the first half.. but they instantly dried when that frozen karen started talking

[@Theunamedchannel000antiwoke]

You can say Sefton Hill really went downhill with this game, right? (Yes, pun intended)

[@x321-k2n]

​@@Theunamedchannel000antiwoke I thought sefton hill left long ago

[@johnweaver311]

Why is Poison Ivy a child, and why is Mr. Freeze an unlikeable, emotionless, girlboss lesbian?

[@boketh2728]

For the former the previous Poison Ivy died prior to the game’s events and her “child” spawned from the remains, as for the latter, your guess is as good as mine.

[@johnweaver311]

@@boketh2728Her…child? Who raised her? Or did she just pop out of the vines in miniature?

[@boketh2728]

@@johnweaver311 when the original Poison Ivy died a mutant plant grew from her remains that eventually released the Poison Ivy seen in the game

[@callmejacob3234]

That's modern media for ya.

[@Keram-io8hv]

I have nothing against standart Ivy, but I would flamethrower child Ivy

[@CaptainConan]

"If you trust them, Victor, take your shot." - Gigachad

[@amir.music2005]

Batman is much better than Gigachad.

[@Grigorii-j7z]

Mr. Freeze is a classic antihero. Good man turned to crime to save his love after life beats him down again and again. That's a timeless relatable archetype. SS is just an empty reskin.

[@blasfemili]

That's a villain

[@dedalionarts6077]

Antihero ? No. Sympathetic villain, or an "Anti-villain", more so.

[@CarlosAlbertoGarcíaJiménez]

Anti-villain.

[@scaryscarecrow5478]

Mr freeze poison ivy catwoman harley quinn and anarky are all cool antiheros in my opinion

[@ginke1996]

One is well written the other looks like a tumblr fanfic

[@fandyus4125]

Because that's what it is.

[@LordOOTFD]

It follows the general strategy of subverting an existing character instead of making a new interesting character, so that box is checked.

[@warmanreaper]

I mean. One is the main branch and the other is a multiverse spinoff. People like you are crazy I stg. People hate just to hate.

[@lharsay]

She has the exact same speach style as Valma from the Velma series, once you hear it cannot be unheard.

[@libertyprime1614]

@@warmanreaper One is good the other is bad, one make money the other flops, is this too hard?

[@V0RTA]

They could've added Killer Frost instead of Karen Freeze.

[@KUPSMusic]

I agree but that would make them add in a character that is attractive and they cant have that. Look at Harley for example.

[@kamenrideruniter4503]

They would still make her look like melted ice cream

[@m-w-y7325]

@@kamenrideruniter4503 don't give them ideas for the love of god...

[@Goblynn-s5l]

Nah killer frost IS COMING & WILL BE 6’5” & trans

[@manintheline5331]

Killer frost is a sexy female villain, they would never have her

[@HaHa-ng4vk]

"It's the Biggest Piece of Dog Shit" Rocksteady is also completely gone.

[@fordrivingandothers]

“Then let me live” Jeeeez

[@TheBatman667]

Nora more colder than Mr freeze himself

[@Morfe02]

The worst part is the fact they made Mrs FREEZE with Nora instead of Nora FREEZE with Viktor Frias

[@tbuckley2031]

Honestly I don’t even care that they’re gay all I can think about is what if Victoria was in the pod? That would be a more interesting take Nora is filling the role of Victor but isn’t the same as Victor she’s colder and less humane about the woman she wants to save confirming it’s another universe, that’s how you do diversity

[@Morfe02]

@@tbuckley2031 yeah or making Hot Killer Frost lesbian 🤣🤣🤣

[@tbuckley2031]

@@Morfe02 don’t get too greedy now

[@blacky8987]

@@tbuckley2031 it is kind of lame lol they could hit us with noran beng the new mrs freeze like wtf but ofcourse they want the ultra masculine gay women with male haircut

[@somebodyigstolen]

This game is so cringe, it takes away characters with amazing writing and turns them into attraction for modern audience, which quite literally takes away their entire personalities and turns them into stupid jokes

[@edemehtawardhana5962]

Rocksteady vs Softflexible

[@christopherrapczynski204]

Pebblebend

[@acousticwolf5985]

Rocksteady vs dwanelimp

[@jeremytitus9519]

Windwobbly

[@Huhmungus]

Soyflexible

[@rockzen8050]

RockSteady vs FlaccidShaky

[@rileyjfosbre6383]

What makes it worse is she’s surrounded by all these “wacky characters” who need to fill their one-liner quotas, whereas the opener for Mr. Freeze is a tense scene between Bruce and Victor. Really gets the pain across.

[@gjtrue]

Looking at the abomination that is "Mrs. Freeze" gives me *pain* though. Does that count?

[@rileyjfosbre6383]

@@gjtrue yes

[@FandomExpert1970s]

​@@gjtrue no, thats just bad writing.

[@therealMrA]

@@FandomExpert1970s And bad character design

[@benh715]

The animation and lighting quality has taken a massive dive too.

[@Mamin9k]

yeah, the colouring hurts my eyes

[@Mamin9k]

yeah, the colouring hurts my eyes

[@DrikTrajado]

yeah, the colouring hurts my eyes

[@DrikTrajado]

yeah, the colouring hurts my eyes

[@ahmataevo]

yeah, the colouring hurts my eyes

[@furyi4n]

the older i get the more i realize the magic of old IP's (movies, video games, tv shows) really came from the people on the ground level of those projects and how much heart and soul they put into those projects. The experience was so sweet because it was made by people who love what they do and are fans of what they create as much as the audience. I really do hope in the future we go back to content that has more intent behind it rather than checking tick boxes to criteria that is completely false.

[@gjtrue]

Give it time.

[@furyi4n]

@@gjtrue I agree. Im anticipating a resurgence

[@petr79]

mainly because they had the classic video game developers as their influence and tutors. But something went wrong with transmitting the knowledge to the next generation. And not just in video games

[@SleepBeforeYouThink]

Don’t forget old music. Modern music makes you appreciate the 50s-90s.

[@verysadcatc7897]

When Mrs.Freeze shout "I AM CALLING THE MANAGER" and freezes everyone in the store. I felt that.

[@Goblynn-s5l]

🤣😂

[@joseroa5243]

And everybody clapped too, you forgot the clapa

[@rezaruki3912]

Even the cricket cant clap anymore when they see this slop lol

[@callmejacob3234]

It really said something about our society.

[@Grant_the_warden]

Mrs. Freeze real name is actually Karen Fries

[@juniorjr.]

So they made a gender swapped Mr. Freeze who's a completely made up character on the spot, and they couldn't just use Killer Frost or other already established DC characters for some reason. This game really is a joke.

[@swordsman1137]

They also can swap Nora and Victor positions. But they choose to not do that. I mean, i thought mrs. Freeze is Nora before the DLC came out

[@DMAN99]

It’s called brand recognition. Your average normie more than likely doesn’t know who Killer Frost is but they damn well know who Mr Freeze is. So just take something people like and inject it with your politics to leech off of the pre-existing brand only they filled it up a little too much and even some normies can see the bloated festering carcass for what it is.

[@SmartCreeper]

​@@DMAN99killer frost is apart of the arrowverse. She isn't a unknown character

[@jakedude236]

​@@SmartCreeperI only know her from the assault on Arkham movie. Nobody watching that arrow verse

[@BullyMaguireTheAbsolute]

@@DMAN99 What's the point of Brand Recognition if you also remove that part? And Killer frost isn't unknown at all if anything she's quite liked and know for Assault on Arkham , JL and unlimited

[@freshglizzy3763]

Femfreeze talks and moves so dispassioned and lifeless, ironically more so than the man with a heart of ice

[@iamsinistar8971]

You know you've truly ruined a character when Arnold Schwarzenegger is a better version of Mr.Freeze..

[@IanAndrews-y3b]

At least with Arnold, we can laugh at how stupid his Mr. Freeze was with his ice puns.

[@Flaremc26]

Ok everyone.... CHILL!

[@InzaneMane]

Same with Leto's Joker and whatever they brought in this game. Don't get me wrong, Leto's Joker still sucks, but the SSKTJL version is way worse.

[@therealMrA]

@@InzaneMane Except that unlike Arnold's Freeze, Leto's Joker isn't even fun to watch ironically

[@KSmithwick1989]

​@@therealMrA Seriously what kind of agenda was David Ayer trying to push. Seriously the guy grew up mostly in the Midwest and served as a Sonar Technician on a nuclear submarine. Yet some reason he's always trying to push some fantasized version of ghetto/gang culture in his films. That he keeps referring to the "The Real" during interviews about his films. Despite being white and not even growing up in that situation.

[@stonepasta5296]

01:57 "Time never has been on our side" that hit hard. They don't make them like this anymore.

[@atharvtyagi3435]

Rocksteady Back Then: Games that were worth the tag of 60$ and no extra charges. Rocksteady Today: Games that are not worth 70$ and has live service on top of that.

[@tomimpala]

TBF Knight got huge crap for its 30 dollar DLC lol

[@CAMSLAYER13]

Knight also ran like shit on release, but yea, it is a much better game than what they make now

[@jaydet2845]

It was pretty broken on release, But ya, at least it was something they could fix later on

[@Scribz1212]

Arkham Knight had a $50 "season pass" to even get that freeze dlc and was so broken on release that steam pulled it from the store until they fixed it.

[@Octragon]

The Mr. Freeze mission in Arkham Knight was locked behind a paid dlc

[@alphonso4714]

What the Fuck Rocksteady, how did Mr. Freeze go from being a badass scientist in a giant intimidating suit to a grumpy Gen Z girl that acts completely robotic and pissed off at everybody!!!

[@DuelaDent52]

Gen Z? What? Mr. Freeze was also robotic and ticked off at everybody. Why should Mrs. Freeze be any different? If anything she displays too much warmth.

[@RandomByte89]

Answer: D.E.I.

[@alphonso4714]

@@DuelaDent52 I don't know her age, I don't even think they've confirmed her age yet, but that's just the vibe that I get off of her, even if she is older, they still messed up the character as a whole, design wise she's way less intimidating than Mr. Freeze, the haircut just doesn't work either, also Mr. Freeze was respectful to Batman at times, while Mrs. Freeze is just grumpy for the sake of being grumpy, you don't feel any kind of sympathy for her or her wife either, I just don't understand why they didn't add killer frost in at that point, don't want to start a giant argument that lasts for 10+ messages, but that's just my opinion.

[@lastknightofhonor8998]

Lesies are always angry

[@DuelaDent52]

@@alphonso4714 They probably thought Mr. Freeze had better name recognition than Killer Frost or Captain Cold and that they could sell more skins with her, even though the latter two would have made waaaaaay more sense.

[@BoredBoredman]

Mrs freeze is emotionless... The reason why people love mr freeze is because he willing to give up everything for his love and even show his rage and sadness if anything happen to her. This scene make me question if she even love her...

[@thientuongnguyen2564]

According to "lore", that ice cold bint doomed her world by freezing it all, so it made the 4 Stooges here goddamn heroes. This Freeze abomination has no reasons to appear as well as the Twinkler.

[@ozymandiasramesses1773]

"She's not an action figure." Ok... so she's a comedy prop for making quips at annoying kids.

[@DuelaDent52]

There’s a lot wrong with Mrs. Freeze conceptually, but what you described is, like, the exact opposite of emotionless. What in this scene makes you doubt Mrs. Freeze loves Nora any less than Mr. Freeze did?

[@existential_]

Seems to be the trend among the out of touch writers and producers, to have neutral faced, monotone acting at all times. e.g. Ada Wong in RE4R, Ashoka in the live action show and Osha & Mae in The Acolyte.

[@ozymandiasramesses1773]

What's wrong with this scene is it isn't one. The camera just bounces to and from characters so they can deliver a one liner then cut away. No conversation is had or understanding reached.

[@increditoaster]

That “then let me live” line hits hard.

[@HKaito]

Sweet Baby inc full control on this one.

[@STBill]

Is it still Rocksteady when everyone who worked there is gone?

[@swordsman1137]

The founder out before the games go gold (most work already done and mostly only solve main bugs). Now they already founding new game dev studio

[@Theunamedchannel000antiwoke]

​@@swordsman1137and Sefton Hill was involved in the making of the game ICYMI. He is a traitor and he practically sold himself. Simple as that

[@swordsman1137]

@@Theunamedchannel000antiwoke there is a chance he tries to make sure old crew get job security before leaving. Idk what happened behind the scene tho.

[@Theunamedchannel000antiwoke]

@@swordsman1137 kzbin.info/www/bejne/d6G0eWWIj9qLbZIsi=1iRcftvcKaCfT6DK

[@jonahvergara5174]

Theseus' game studio

[@preng2355]

all those years building mr.Frezze lore drain in the sewer for sneak couple of rainbow

[@TheSolidSnakeOil]

They did the same thing on the Harley Quinn cartoon. She's a complete whore that never cared about Victor on that show.

[@Galerius_Maximus]

Me when inclusivity.

[@SL4PSH0CK]

its like that ice on your favorite drink, melting and turning it bland.

[@NinjapowerMS]

And they're doing this just to be petty too. The studio is going down and they still shit on Arkham.

[@Theunamedchannel000antiwoke]

And that's why my respect for Russia, Middle East and most of Eastern Europe increases everyday. Period.

[@samuelhunter4631]

This is somehow WORSE than everyone anticipated. We all thought "Ms Freeze" was Nora, who probably went rogue once Victor died or something. Nope, its genderbent Victor Fries who looks like melted ice cream. Seriously, Rocksteady...KILLER FROST WAS RIGHT THERE! She wouldn't have saved the game, but at least KF would've drummed up more interest than...whatever the hell THIS is

[@DoctorFail]

They would have made KF fat

[@thelineguy123]

even better, instead of gender bending Nora as well, they just keep her as is and makes the relationship a lesbian one!

[@Maskedmenace8267]

That was yall theory some mfs said it was victor and noras kid from another world where supposedly victor and nora live long enough to raise a ķid

[@goldendocsonic2012]

@@Maskedmenace8267and u would expect to believe that Mr freeze, a straight guy who is married to his wife who is on an opposite gender, turns out to be a walking lesbian dildo popsicle

[@isoprops3861]

DEI gotta DEI amirite?

[@tarriochu95]

"I eliminate braniac from the multiverse, and you do your end of the deal" Like, no way you think you can achieve such a task easily vs saving your wife. And the suicide bomb when they already have an agreement? Dumb writing

[@spark7620]

3:40 literally my reaction to the 2nd freeze

[@-Rizecek-]

And today's players: Look, it looks beautiful. Today's games look worse than 5-8 years ago and run worse...

[@sfwnsftmusic]

Exactly

[@bigdot2355]

Anything below 2020 is considered a better game that whatever slop they make now!

[@-Rizecek-]

@@bigdot2355 Exactly my word!

[@pedretejb2492]

Also they're more expensive today

[@Lus-120]

​@@bigdot2355except few that actually great

[@ttrroollttooll6911]

Why everyone so ugly.. someone said.. "I see more attractive people at Walmart at midnight"

[@LanceLee-dh5pc]

Damn 💀

[@hajimehinata5854]

To be inclusive

[@LaloSalamancaGaming69]

Evil cant create something new They can only corrupt the beauty in the world

[@Timeflies.x]

Only attractive character in the game is Harley

[@shepardren8006]

I find my family more attractive than half the shit that comes out.

[@ShreddedBaron]

At least we can return to the Arkham tetralogy and it can serve as a standard to reflect on for the future.

[@STBill]

There's also Arkham Blackgate, the 2.5D metroidvania. Even with its low badged comic scenes it manages to have a better story than Suicide Slop.

[@papabear6611]

Isn’t it quadrology or something??? But yeah your right

[@Flash_Biggest_Hater]

@@papabear6611its both it depends on where you live in the world. both are used widely enough that you cant say one is wrong.

[@Tomo00]

@jrrr9219 Buggy as hell tho.

[@Windwalker88]

​@jrrr9219i have a love/hate relationship with that game

[@Quigmman]

Mr. Freeze: "I don't want you to die, Nora" Nora Fries: "so let me live" I miss dialogue and writing, man. They did my favorite villain dirty in that garbage fire of a game.

[@a_person_of_all_time]

Mr Freeze talks robotic and acts humane. Mrs Freeze talks humane and acts robotic, acts as a bad AI that was tasked with acting human

[@FungalBunghole]

It's funny how forced representation does the opposite of what they want it to do, and actively makes the average person MORE hateful

[@neverbeganforme]

Yesss this is what they want. It’s all controlled and methodical to be this way.

[@AndreiB617]

It's like protesters and shit. Just bad and annoying for basically no reason just to make us hate them or their cause even more.

[@FeedMeChaos1]

​@@neverbeganformeno its rainbow capitalism and shareholders have yet to take the hint.

[@janniswildermuth1499]

Please people, the issue here isn't that Freeze is a woman, it's the shit writing, animation and delivery. Comics have always had different versions of characters, that's not the problem here. Don't let people tell you the problem here is the genderswap when the characters who weren't made "woke" are just as bad...

[@zayajackson1337]

​@@janniswildermuth1499Tried that and got called a Shill.😅 I wasn't the one who left Disappointed in that chat though.😂

[@misterdeviouss]

"If you trust them Victor, take your shot". "Time never has been on our side Victor". This game was something else

[@buccaneercat]

So they gender bent freeze but kept Nora a female? Checks out. They wanted those checkboxes checked after all. The fact that they ignored Killer Frost… an IN-UNIVERSE established ex Squad member with Ice Powers… that happens to be a female… just so they could go out of their way to gender bend Mr Freeze and make “him” and Nora gay means that it was always about taking beloved straight male characters away.

[@RealityRogue]

The writers probably have no idea who that is. Just looked up a list of Batman villains

[@DuelaDent52]

It’s not about “beloved straight characters away”, it’s just a poorly conceived swap.

[@strangelittlesnake]

@@RealityRogue I don’t even think she’s a Batman villain- I always thought she was a Flash or Firestorm Villain. But, you do bring up a fair point

[@ogredwing]

"Beloved straight male characters" Kill the Justice League is cringe but so are you

[@buccaneercat]

@@ogredwing bro you miss the point. I’m not saying they’re beloved BECAUSE they’re straight white and male, I’m saying they always target characters with those attributes to go through gender/racial/sexuality swaps for “modern audiences”.

[@dragonballspaghetti154]

You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.

[@sourdoughyok3083]

Producer: who is this Freeze character? Writer: he’s a scientist, whose goal is to revive his beloved wife. He has to go against his conscience to commit crime so that he can continue his work on cyro… Producer: scientist, a nerd, you say.

[@quintrapnell3605]

That slop is for kids. The micro-plastic infused kids.

[@Remake117]

Not even kids like it

[@ViktoriyaZolotovolosyy]

Toy man literally plastic infused on his arm

[@EonAzure]

Technically we all have microplastics in everything now, human placentas and penises. It evens theorized that it one of the newer cuases for Erectile dysfunction. But I definitely understand what your saying. Look how they massacred my boy

[@kaine8911]

Saying "it's for kids" is not a good criticism lol

[@ELGUAPOIV]

@@kaine8911 Yes it is when the game is rated M. Muted in advance.

[@Galerius_Maximus]

Why TF did they gender swapped Mr freeze, this is even worse than the injustice 2's Mr freeze who originally lacked a helmet, Damn.

[@-The_Phantom]

Well, we have the Jonkler, I bet if there was no Harley Quinn they would have done the same with Joker

[@meurglysiii]

Because there can be no love between a man and a woman

[@Galerius_Maximus]

@@-The_Phantom Nah man that's the twinkler in SSKTJL

[@Tod-yi3xt]

I think it's a race swap too. She looked Asian

[@XD-sc4ix]

​@@Galerius_Maximusthe Twixer

[@bananaleg82]

Thank god, the entire Batman fanbase was begging for Mr.freeze to be an Asian women. Him being a straight white man was INSANELY problematic... also skin colour doesn't matter

[@m-w-y7325]

and having ice berg hair, don't forget the ice berg hair!

[@buythetickettaketheride1308]

I still don’t think it’s diverse enough, they should have made her trans and given her multiple disabilities, then everyone would have felt represented 😂

[@Pancaketophat]

@@m-w-y7325 Okay but the ice hair goes hard though

[@pardok-qaza]

We will replace "damsel in distress and her male lover" trope with a "damsel in distress and her butch female lover". It's so progressive to replace man with a tough lesbian and call it a day without really changing anything!

[@christopherrapczynski204]

I know right. We're also about tolerance, despite trying to cancel and silence everyone that even slightly disagrees with even one of our increasingly more deranged beliefs Huge shock who the creep at mrbeast was btw

[@Closet_Jedi]

Batman: The Animated Series took Mr. Freeze from a campy joke of a character and made him one of the best villans in Batman's rogues gallery. The Arkham games took the Animated Series version of Mr. Freeze and built on it. This new version just feels like a step in the wrong direction.

[@hamzaudai3390]

This is NOT Rocksteady, just as Bioware is NOT Bioware and Blizzard is NOT Blizzard and so on

[@kinocchio]

world sucks today.

[@Novskyy621]

Depends on what you let into your life

[@idunwannadie]

@@Novskyy621 we get Suicide Squad: Kill The Justice League

[@eldasd.4631]

OnLy iN AmErIcA!!!....

[@edgarava1]

here's how to go back: 1. Build a good gaming pc 2. Sail the 7 seas in the internet 3. Play old games in ultra settings

[@dontmatter4423]

@@edgarava1 based

[@umersalman1]

Suicide Squad sounds like it was written by ChatGPT 3.

[@mr_sauce_cooks]

fukin hell man chat gpt would've written something better than this

[@newname69]

Don't disrespect chat gpt like that

[@Chados.]

ChatGPT saw the Script for KTJL and wished to be frozen like Nora.

[@LanceLee-dh5pc]

ChatGPT made me a banger script for Injustice 3, don't do my boy dirty

[@patrickilse5485]

No wonder Batman had to die. He always was two steps ahead and probably knew what they kept in reserve for that shitty story and characters.

[@ak-t7d6f]

Making actual characters vs ticking DEI checkboxes

[@youbuymymuffin]

Sad as fuck

[@k29king1]

This is what happens when suits who only care about shareholders and nothing else and actually despise fans gain complete control over beloved IP. They ruin it, each and every damn time. And these bug games corporations never ever learn, and the people that get hurt are the fans and the devs.

[@homunculi0408]

A game untouched by SBI vs A game touched by SBI

[@greendemon905]

This COULD have worked, hear me out! This could have been Nora in the suit, and Victor in the tube. It could have shown their relationship from a reverse angle, show how differently Nora would approach trying to cure Victor. She could struggle with breaking the law for the sake of love, and know that Victor may judge her for every misdeed. They could have delved into her not only being apart from her husband, but ALSO one of the few survivors from her universe. Her husband, her body, and even the world around her all turned into a frozen wasteland. Waller could have the Squad kidnap Victor, and force Nora to get implanted with the nanobomb and join the Squad. Nora and Harley could bond over losing their loved ones (Victor and Ivy). Penguin could drop a line about sticking his version of Victor in a heated room, and Nora could snap at his cruelty. The tragic character practically writes itself! But instead we get a new woman we've never met before, whose wife was an eco-terrorist (so she doesn't have to be afraid of Nora judging her actions), and who just decides to join the squad, because why not? The multiverse is an excellent oppurtunity to look at exciting new "what if" scenarios, but Rocksteady chose to ignore all that, and instead just went for "Mr. Freeze, but lesbian".

[@darkdwarf007]

almost any idea can work in theory, execution is king

[@jak0995]

this isnt rocksteady, thats just the name above the door. id love to reach out to rocksteady shareholders and post this video to them.

[@hawktalon7890]

Yeah that's what I initially thought was going to happen.

[@bloodstone1992]

I agree but let's be real even if they did go that more interesting route people would still complain because woke woke woke

[@liamrodriguez6269]

So obviously the multiverse lets you write whatever but does Nora have a cryoscience background in the comics?

[@Joshua-do7vo]

Funny how they didn't genderswap Nora. Had to fit in "THE MESSAGE", I guess.

[@AltFromTheLimbo]

@@Theunamedchannel000antiwoke Wait what? Didn't know I live miserably under tyranny. But hey, the more you learn I guess.

[@roiking2740]

Its someone trying to prove that if you gender swap a character it does not change their character. They are clearly wrong. If they added Mr. Freezee that would have been a win for them but they had to push there ideology.

[@daffy4d]

@@AltFromTheLimbohow many times do you vote?

[@zdspider6778]

Norman. 🤡🤡

[@AltFromTheLimbo]

@@daffy4d not a single time. Not into this shit and I was never drafted, so they'll figure it out without me anyways :D And they did, the onl.. best way possible ( I must say this or they'll reduce my rations or smth lmao). Believe it or not, but most russians support our president, especially those who lived through 90s.

[@mahendrap1960]

Chad freezee vs DEI freezer

[@Kalinskiya]

WE NEVA FREEZE LMAO

[@nestwr]

ugh, don't make it weird man

[@anon2752]

@@nestwr They made it weird first by gender swapping, race swapping, and sexua1ity swapping an existing character for DE1 reasons.

[@JustapErson]

@@anon2752 Was about to say the same thing. They went out of their way to change the gender, race and sexuality of a character. That is absolutely weird.

[@yatharthpadharia5719]

Chad freeze vs mini fridge *

[@JacobReynolds-c4x]

Did they just forget killer frost exists? If they wanted a female in the game, they could've just added her instead of making MR. Freeze a Mrs Freeze. And it would work better because she was also part of the suicide squad.

[@andruuu4649]

2:58 this 10 seconds don't have any right to be that awkward 💀

[@suinsarbayev2191]

Mr Freeze, is that you? ITS A MA'AM

[@bipindongolbruce6538]

Never in my life I thought I'd see Mr. Freeze and Nora portrayed as a lesbian couple.

[@Dragos442]

Man that shit isn't even worth pirating... 😂

[@granddaddyotaku636]

Say what you want about Gotham Knights, but they atleast tried to make a game that captures the spirit of the Batman universe. It might not be for everyone and i know there are some issues, but i wholeheartedly feel like Gotham Knights deserves alot more love and appreciation for what it did right. Because despite its flaws it was a Batfamily game that stayed true to its roots and thats far more respectful to the Batman legacy than what SS KJL has done. 🙏

[@DarthVader2380]

Debra Wilson plays the same damn character in every single game she’s in

[@abl2a-muhammadrefy667]

i've been refusing to consider this game as a canon game of batman arkham series

[@stanco1273]

I been considered it non Canon the writing is so bad it's wild

[@fm_0523]

I mean, at this point it can't. Mr Freeze died in the Arkham games, shortly after Arkham Knight, so how would be alive and suddenly a woman?

[@yobud6637]

​@@fm_0523 Mr. Freeze didn't die at the end of AK.. He just left with Nora, because she was dying, and she's the one who died days later. This Mrs. Freeze crap is some poorly-written multiverse thing, so they're not the same people we know.

[@sanchikotjendrakasih9138]

​@@yobud6637 Victor remove his helmet and suit, he said they can only live for short time. Victor definitely die beside Nora.

[@yobud6637]

@@sanchikotjendrakasih9138 He said something like "We won't have much time. Days..." That was it. Freeze didn't remove his suit or his helmet. He was just saying that they won't be able to spend much time together. So Nora definitely died, but Mr. Freeze just left the city.

[@sharkburgerKFPdd]

I honestly thought... Mrs Freeze was Nora who took over Mr Freeze mantle, WTF eez deez sheet

[@stanco1273]

A KZbin comment made a awesome idea in 3 seconds

[@nibbleslerry6722]

@@stanco12733 seconds is the amount of time the writing team for this game had apparently

[@BullyMaguireTheAbsolute]

@@stanco1273 OR their daughter Nira 🤯 who would actually make sense

[@HuladeHoopla]

​@@BullyMaguireTheAbsoluteThey had a daughter?

[@kirtan3015]

I still can't believe This is the Same studio that gave us The best Batman Games😢😓😞

[@kairrma]

it’s not the same studio. it has the same name but the founders left to start their own small studio called hundredstar games. i think they are just as disappointed with the state of this game as we are

[@godemperorofmankind5874]

@@kairrma what games did those OG developers made? I want to check them out.

[@Theunamedchannel000antiwoke]

​@@kairrmaactually, according to an article by Jason Schreier (one of the most reliable and only true gaming journalists out there) Sefton Hill and James Walker were apparently involved in the making of SSKTJL. They were the ones who planned and wrote everything. They sold their souls just like the hundred other videogame devs whose games we once loved and enjoyed.

[@Yusa25]

Its prove that developers are more worth then the company itself i hope the developers gather under wb studios with a new developer company and make another great batman/ justice league series

[@pallych]

same name different people. Like blizzard

[@sandstinger3454]

most of the original developers at rocksteady who made arkham knight had left the studio by the time SSKTJL had come out so yeah

[@joynelbonet194]

Damn they couldn't make her more stereotypical looking. 😂

[@JingleJangle256]

Someone wrote this. Someone wrote this and thought it was okay. How devoid of talent do you have to be to write something like this and present it as a final draft?

[@brokenhanz-o4m]

That someone probably had a lot of doors opened in life because of their gender/skin color. They cried foul for things like racism and sexism while they were the wolf in sheep’s clothing taking away jobs from talent that could deliver a better final product. The millennial and gen z generation of men are either NEETS, flipping burgers, or working some other type of back breaking blue collared job because of this diversity nonsense systematically implemented throughout the western hemisphere.

[@Jay-og4yb]

DEI

[@elecman748]

SBI

[@hf9801]

it's like they're doing this on purpose to create controversy... same with ac japan

[@kazanshin4108]

The best way to respond is to just not buy the game. Simple as.

[@polarityReversal1963]

I hate how, personality wise, “Karen Freeze” isn’t anything close to Mr Freeze. Arkham verse Freeze had an intimidating almost robotic voice, and you really got the sense that he was a tragic figure who’s lost almost everything, including the love of his life. Mrs Freeze just sounds like a generic girl boss who’s mildly inconvenienced by Nora’s illness Also side note, pretty sure the accident was meant to remove his hair. So why does she still have hers lol

[@DuelaDent52]

How else would you know she was a girl? Everyone knows women can’t be bald. Even though she has more bald skins than skins with hair.

[@MforMovesets]

If you make a female Freeze, can't she at least STILL have the glowing goggles? Thats the most iconic thing! Now she's just... woman... but cold.

[@CasperFGhost]

And this was arguably the lesser of the Freeze sections of Arkham games, City was just cold asf, pun intended.

[@Awak1ngState]

Back then: Great games Now: SBI DIE SHIT

[@guilherme5094]

Looks how they massacred my boy.

[@Artekai]

And she has the same exact personality all the other DEI female characters have.

[@liberTEA02]

Mrs freeze >mean and narcissistic >big and brutish >lesbian What did rocksteady mean by this?

[@julianprasaja2227]

It's more than just a game😂😂😂😂

[@kodemasterx]

The brilliant minds behind the Arkham series are long gone, and sadly Kevin Conroy passed away.... Rocksteady? more like Unstablerock lol

[@Theunamedchannel000antiwoke]

Sefton Hill more like Sefton Hole lol.

[@caprakiwi6201]

And Mark Hamil is losing his mind. Guess you can't spell Mark Hamil with out Arkham.

[@DuelaDent52]

@@caprakiwi6201What’d Mark Hamill do?

[@DuelaDent52]

Those brilliant minds are the same ones that made this game in the first place.

[@GreenGuy502]

Trying to tell a good story VS trying to pump up your DEI score

[@SrMot1]

the first game made me cry when i saw that cutscene, now i cry in disapointment

[@brokenhanz-o4m]

Nice profile pic. Great minds think alike

[@willynillyonwheels]

"Don't weep for the stupid, you'll be crying all day"

[@mr.nuggies3087]

When Mrs. Freeze said ''it's freezin time'' i felt that

[@JB-kr5rk]

I loved finally being able to see Nora and Freeze actually have an ending and that line gets me tearing up every time “time never has been on our side Victor”

[@kaybeeva]

3:11 perfect description of the game💀

[@Manjawline]

This is what happens when you hire Sweet Baby Inc for consultation and chase after ticking diversity checkboxes and boosting your ESG score to impress Blackrock and Vanguard

[@Theunamedchannel000antiwoke]

Perhaps we treated Tencent too harshly, right? I mean, at least Tencent was never about "diversity", "the message", "equality" and "modern audience" in most of their movies and video games, right?

[@Kohth_0]

Buzzword salda you anti woke goons are so corny.

[@brokenhanz-o4m]

@@Kohth_0you can’t even spell salad right. The microplastics in your prefrontal cortex are talking

[@FungalBunghole]

​@@Kohth_0"anti woke goons" is a funny way to say "normal people who aren't completely batshit insane"

[@FungalBunghole]

​@@Kohth_0btw what genders are you identifying as today??

[@travistolsma7074]

The moment they said they were going to make a suicide squad game instead of another batman game... this is pretty much how I imagined it would turn out.

[@doomguy1944]

Three words for you - Sweet baby inc

[@Animestar21]

I’ve got three more for you- Screw that company

[@thelocalcrusader9522]

"You will bring me Nora, or you. Will. Die." Vs "Don't touch her 😡"

[@Kat1kafka]

I'm getting "let me speak to your manager" vibes from her.

[@RandomSensei]

"What happened here?" is our question.

[@ssj_hamood5364]

Gypsie Freeze

[@LaloSalamancaGaming69]

Nah she looks like she touches kids

[@tommyguan5952]

Humans haven't found any aliens till now, but some of them managed to bring in soooo many 'multi universe'.

[@MrWooaa]

One think that stuck out about the new one is how flat the lighting is in the entire scene. it makes it feel unreal.

[@donny5707]

the sales record will show them that theyre sucked

[@razer666L]

And now Rocksteady is working on _Hogwarts Legacy: The Director's Cut_ and I'm worried about it.

[@misberave]

Its gonna have atleast 1 trans child

[@YasoHisham]

​@@misberave at least

[@XzaroX]

@@misberave It already has a trans adult.

[@YasoHisham]

​@@misberave so sad

[@gorjo5486]

What I don't understand is why they made Mr freeze into Mrs Freeze. Not like there isnt Killer Frost.

[@wykydytron]

Killer frost is hot and likable so not someone they could use to push agenda.

[@Buff_tf2_soldier]

But Killer frost is not a genderbent lesbian trying to save her wife

[@CraftBattleAxe]

I’ve never even played any of the Batman games or kept up with its story, and yet that conversation with Mr. Freeze and Nora nearly had me in tears. That background slowly crumbling around them as a metaphor for the two of them added onto that emotional weight even more. And then Suicide Squad happened.

[@officerbucktuddrussel394]

The Mr. Freeze clip made me tear up, the Mrs. Freeze clip made me want to pierce my ear drums with knitting needles so I would no longer have to be verbally water boarded with "jokes".