Rogal Dorn's HORROR as The Emperor is Interred Within The Golden Throne | Warhammer 40K Lore

[@SandmanofTerra]

If you want more information on what the Golden Throne actually does and it's dark twin, check out this video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bJfKfmWYe8mNnKcsi=2dfMoICGZXOTj_MG

[@JoshuaKevinPerry]

I can't decide if I like the dark twin chair. It makes the Golden Throne less mysterious.

[@Pob-bear]

Are you actually going to post again??

[@jason.larsenthedanishgreek1226]

What a cash grab thousand-plus page waste of words. 40k is 💀 to me after this blatantly bloated book trilogy which could have either been a much better written two parter with way less cheap filler (lets be honest filler is GWs TRUE GAME)...OR one larger book with actual twists & zero need to waste a single page on unoriginal fanfiction-esque filler.

[@zooeyglass7643]

If you want a mind screw what if Lorgar is a Daemon Prince of the Dark King? He ascended Daemonhood about the same time the Emperor created the Star Child and than immediately went into 10,000 years of meditation and seclusion. Ultimately Lorgar goes back to what he always believed, that the Emperor is a god.

[@garethjones6342]

In my Headcannon, I always liked the idea that were the emperor to die in the present of the timeline, there are SO MANY, like, untold billions who worship him as a literal god, that were he to die, instead of coming back due to his perpetual nature, he would become a new warp entity due to the weight of the void energy. Some sort of malevolent chaos god.

[@theodoremccarthy4438]

If Leetu actually tracks down and kills Erebus in 40K he will instantly become the most popular character in the setting.

[@jasoninthehood9726]

Stop with the Erebus hate. He’s more fascinating than 75% of the current characters.

[@mistercmartin]

​@@jasoninthehood9726 Fuck Erebus, but yes he is interesting. That is why we hate him so much because he is written so well to be hated. Despite saying that, FUCK EREBUS!

[@NecrosAcolyte]

@@jasoninthehood9726 But I like hating Erebus, it's fun

[@Man_Emperor_of_Mankind]

​@@jasoninthehood9726Are we not allowed to hate someone/something that is also fascinating? The same things that make him fascinating are what provokes the negative emotional reactions to him

[@surtrpicks]

Feel silly asking this but Erebus is still around in current setting…..so “Leetu” has been working this for 10k years lol…. Wonder if he has some connection form king in yellow action.

[@BriarLeaf00]

I really and truly appreciate the way you present everything, particularly putting that Abnett interview in the context of the narrative at large. There's nothing better than actually showing the authors' view from their own mouths and using that as a base from which to launch a discussion about the work. For so many of us its the culmination of years of reading, it deserves this kind of deep dive.

[@kaptenhangpung3538]

This is done by chatGPT and an AI voice.

[@thebloodgod5885]

​@@kaptenhangpung3538What????

[@BriarLeaf00]

@kaptenhangpung3538 you are a bot. Dude does live shows with his face on them. Get real.

[@kosherbeefcake]

@@kaptenhangpung35383 months and you still haven’t deleted your false accusation.

[@AdamWojcik-br8ol]

I would love it if in Erubus' final moments he heard a *Shuffle, tap, shuffle tap* approaching from behind him, as what happened with Grammaticus and Pearson and then Leetoo then strikes him down with the original Anathame blade, closing his loop as what he did to Loken in TeatD.

[@nikolaushofbauer5118]

The "lost years" can not only be years lost of his immortality (so practically the future), but also years of his past. I think the visiting of all these passed events (e.g. Istvaan) suggests that Horus is robbing him the defining moments f his life. The E had already given up part of his soul before the fight, so robbing him of his past (in form of memories) could weaken him further and further, torture him .. exactly what Horus wants.

[@monado550]

Cool way of seeing things, very interesting possibility and plotlines

[@TacticalShinebox]

He does go back in time to revisit old triumphs and the Emperor can see him and warns him Fing with the timeline is bad.

[@ghost707]

I figured its more literal like instead of being immortal with body a 25 year old your immortal stuck in the body of 80 year old boarding on death. Edit: Death as in your not literally going to die but that how you will feel forever.

[@nikolaushofbauer5118]

@@ghost707 Good point. I always wondered why Malcador as a perpetual was an "old man". Could be something similiar in his case.

[@SkywalkerWroc]

31:50 Macador recording every argument he had with the emperor is *not* petty, it's actually quite genius. It allowed him to study how Emperor things and through that - be more influential (that's why you eventually see Emperor being much more open to the Malcador's ideas and thinking he was right even when his argument was initially dismissed).

[@Goldenblitzer]

Bringing Dorn back as a psyker would really be a setting shake up

[@ohamatchhams]

Bring his true form as psychic sentient fortress that span continents that can reform himself, just like Magnus and Leman Russ' true forms when they combated each other like kaijus/kaijin/Ultraman in old (and still running well) Japanese shows

[@m.j.e.5245]

@@ohamatchhams Ha, reminds me of when Sanguinius encountered a chaos space hulk the size of a solar system, thats what Dorn would be.

[@TheSiladhiel]

Not a chance. I think you forget who he is. "I am Rogal Dorn, Praetorian of Terra, primarch of the Seventh Legion Imperial Fists, seventh-found son, defiant and unyielding." He broke Khorne with his sheer defiance. Anybody who tried to alter him would find that he is the immovable object...right before they find out he is also the unstioppable force. And they are caught between both.

[@jasoninthehood9726]

@@TheSiladhielYou forgot to also add he’s the most boring primarch.

[@TheSpicyLeg]

@@jasoninthehood9726You can have that opinion, but I’d argue he is one of the most interesting. Dorn is a constancy in a universe that hates it. I mean the main antagonist is literally called Chaos. We have a universe where nothing stays the same, order is near extinct, yet one Primarch out of them all encapsulates constancy where no other brother even tries. That’s unique.

[@isawaryokage]

The part of the Emperor removing his "good" part really gives new meaning to his reunion with Guilliman. Calling him his last hope.

[@Pummeluff321]

I‘m really new to Warhammer 40k and your videos have really made me invested thanks a lot. Ps. Please more videos on the characters opinions of each other, I personally find this the most interesting.

[@SandmanofTerra]

Glad you like them!

[@tneal89]

20:00 - that book would probably have a title, the IP tag line, and then everything between the prologue and epilogue would be 10,000 pages saying the word "ow".

[@monado550]

An audio book with millions of lines of "ow" using the voice from if the emperor had a tts device

[@erubin100]

I didn't expect 40k to turn into yugioh, but here we are! Side note: do they sell actual physical cards of the emperor's tarot anywhere? I REALLY wan to buy some!

[@BloodyArchangelus]

yea i want that too xD

[@WhispersinTheWarp]

This was a brilliant video to listen to as I was painting last night. These kinds of lore discussions are great for reinterpretting my own understanding of the fiction. The Emperor and The Golden Throne is something so pivotal to the setting and yet it's kind of overlooked. I think what we have now is the possibility for different facets of him to appear. The "human" Emperor, The "God" Emperor, The Dark King - it's interesting to consider.

[@elongated_musket6353]

Imagine trying to figure out the interpretation of some tarot cards for a long time and it roughly translates to "scratch my back"

[@Mechronastamuth]

20:00 The Emperor's motionless body was sitting on the Golden Throne for weeks now. Broken parts of his body have been mended as much as they could and where they couldn't replaced by many machinery including one of his eye. It was a painful sight to see for Dorn. Or anyone. Seeing The Emperor, his father, the one who always shown the way in this state... This was like a never ending torment to his soul and mind. During these last life long weeks, he was frequently finding himself craving for material pain to his body instead of this heavy curtain of grieve on his heart and mind. But all he could do was just wait and watch. Just like the Emperor's companions and Constantin Valdor do. There are many problems which requires the Reagent's attention indeed. But none was important as this. Rogal Dorn watched this macabre sight as he does for weeks in the colosssal throne room. Even though he was not willing to look at them, he could see and feel that The Companions are watching him like they are silently judging him too. But for what? Not being with The Emperor when he needs him to be? At he right moment and right place against The Lupercal? No... This shouldn't be it. They were all aware of the actions of faul warp on that day. Their captain, legendary Constantin Valdor was also not able to stand with his Emperor during his final confrontation with his traitor son. But Dorn was able to feel the same despiciency from the Captain general too. This was not normal or fair. Or maybe Dorn was just imagining these things he thought. Maybe he was not able to think clearly because of the abrupt absense of his father. At that exact moment, Captain General's thundreous voice echoed inside the throne room and pulled him out of this sea of doubt which was his own making, "You are not needed here, Dorn." Rogal Dorn was the Reagent Of Terra for a long time and he was working together with Constantin for a long time too. He couldn't go too far and say that they were like brothers ofcourse. Because Constantin Valdor was always and foremost; The Emperor's bodyguard. This fact alone was always like an invisible wall between them during their service on Terra. And after the recent events, after half of his brothers' betreyal, that wall was much more higher and thicker than ever before. Despite this fact, Dorn was believing that Constantin had a certain degree of respect for Dorn. Since now. But right now, the Captain General's cold and calculated voice signaling otherwise. Dorn struggled to contain his anger before retorting with rush, "I'm not here because I'm needed." I am here because I need it. Dorn didn't utter outloud the last part of his thoughts ofcourse. This thought was for him alone. He needed to be here. He needed to see his father. He needed the hope. A glimpse of a movement. Anything. Anything to quench the fire of regret inside him. Not the regret of not being able to help his father when he needs the most. For that sin; everyone except his brother Sanguinius and the Custodians died there were quilty. The sin he and only he had; was misinterpret the signs and giving the order to put The Emperor on the Golden Throne... Because it was not working. His father was not healing or communicating anyone. Dorn was understanding it now. The Emperor was not dead yet. That must be a glimmer of hope during these dark days, yes. But somehow that wasn't the case. Dorn was able feel this in his bones. Something was terribly wrong. *** Should I guys?

[@Kristian.B.Kristiansen]

It is worth noting, that it is the past years that The Emperor bleeds away. We have this directly stated by Horus. The Emperor is bleeding his past away.

[@Tejónpro]

What does that mean

[@Kristian.B.Kristiansen]

@@Tejónpro The Emperor bleed past years. It is implied that if he had run out, he would have stopped existing. But we don't get details.

[@MarVeritus]

​@Kristian.B.Kristiansen, they might be hinting that he lost a bit of his personality

[@DanielScutt]

I like the idea that the throne is eating his past, his history in the universe, and when it's done eating, when there are no moments left of his past, the Emperor stops existing. By feeding the throne with the souls of psykers it is instead eating sacrificial souls and preserving the Emperor's past. This also gives us an idea of how much the throne consumes. If thousands of lives are fed to the throne every day, thousands of years are consumed. Are all moments equal? Is a moment of the Emperor's life worth more than a mortal's? How long could the Emperor survive on his own?

[@johnsaxton489]

Theres a passage in the dark imperium books when Gulliman speaks to the Emperor with something like "he could not remember his face, and Robute Gulliman forgot nothing" so that could also support this theory

[@torinmccabe]

In Dune Leto 2 is Paul Maudib's son and the person who becomes the sandworm God Emperor who walks the Golden Path

[@joewelborn825]

If anyone is a fan of this grim dark and doesn’t see their roots in the golden path? They should be given no help

[@BattleBrotherCasten]

@@joewelborn825 Just like many dont see the Hawkmoon books influence.

[@Silentnocturnes]

Oooohhhh that’s why his name tickled my brain. I remember now. Dang i didn’t make this connection.

[@d0ct0rh0lliday]

That scene with Malcadors last thoughts on Vulkan and Rogal Dorn were beautiful, I teared up

[@meatybtz]

Jaghatai went for a ride on his bike, got into a race with some ork speed freaks and entered the webway where they met some windriders and they've all been racing ever since.

[@Diomedes_XXII]

The Siege of Terra really made me appreciate The VIIth in a major way. My Liege, The IXth, held him in the highest regard.

[@marsuini]

Sandman of Terra’s narration is on another level. The sheer drama

[@torinmccabe]

If the wounds of Big e have caused him "to lose years", those years might transfer into the number of years he has to be interred on the Golden throne in a kind of stasis

[@lifeisgood12341]

Take 15k years of damage

[@UnFirkenbelieveable]

I am glad I am not the only who thought that.

[@rowangallagher4579]

LE2 is probably one of my favorite characters. I wonder if they’ll have him cross the rubicon.

[@pimmpslap]

"He bleeds years..." He has lost years of his immortal life by being essentially in stasis. I'd interpret that as meaning his perpetual "mechanisms" had been deactivated for a undisclosed amount of time by the wounds Horus (more accurate to say the Chaos Gods) inflicted.

[@maxstr]

I hope they don't try to bring Horus back now that they changed his death to be "normal" rather than being erased from the warp.

[@Someone-hd2vu]

Bringing back Horus, Curze, Sanguinius and/or Ferrus Manus would be horrible mistakes, it would completely ruin the gravitas of their HH story arc and just turn 40k into Marvel. Who gives a shit when noone's ever truly dead. I'm not a fan of bringing back any Primarch at all anyway. I know that ship has long since sailed, but I think the setting felt bigger and more compelling when it was about the common man's struggles. Making it all about a handful of demi-Gods and named characters who've been around since the Great Crusade makes it all feel like a much smaller universe.

[@isaiah7294]

@@Someone-hd2vuthe only primarchs who should return are the ones who are missing/ in stasis imo.

[@keaganjantjies3422]

@@Someone-hd2vu Ferrus Manus may very well come back. we know his spirit persists the emperor has convened with it. and there is a book where the emperor and malcador play out the heresy with chess pieces and the piece representing Ferrus breaks to which the emperor remarks that he may need to fix that one later. it is then implied he can remend their bodies. the concept of grails also means that as long as his spirit persists. ferrus can return. he MIGHT also be the one leading the legion of the damned.

[@JoshuaKevinPerry]

Thanks for spending time with us

[@Gronmin]

Started reading the Eisenhorn series last month as a result of this channel and I'm almost done the series now. Maybe I'll push to start the main 40k series later this year

[@SandmanofTerra]

Ahh amazing! Love knowing that my viewers read

[@dzasays5516]

I did the same thing when I started, it's a LOT of books but I'm not upset about my choice to dive into the HH after reading the Eisenhorn omnibus. I used the Ork books to break it up a bit here and there tho tbh.

[@Orinslayer]

They just saw the device kill a perpetual and thought it was a good idea to put the void father on it? 🤡

[@dimitrios8]

Dorne having powers to relive the past and therefore learn from his mistakes to build better defences every time he "lost"... he could explain his absence as him going back and back and back in time (in his head) to find a way to undo what has been done... to try to undo the death of his father. He may end up being found and disturbed from "his work" and dragged back into teh present. That ties into the Taro card angle aswell...

[@Ste0121]

What everyone forgets, the emperor wasnt born, he was created and created with a specific purpose to boot, the safeguard of humanity.

[@mehdibenmeriem2252]

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[@coreyframpton8561]

It's interesting that Malcador describes the future in much the same way that Horus thinks of the Emperor - "But the future, is a shapeshifter, a fluid trickster - it is mercurial and ever changing, and it wears many aspects."

[@DarthTriffid]

Primarch Rog being a massive Warp fist reminds me of the old Ork gag power of fhe Fist of Mork (the hand of the player slapping down on the rabletop)

[@hibbidyjibbidyy]

even better, use one of those foam hulk fists

[@quitamgogh]

Rogal will start to receive tarot messages from the Emperor.

[@Abefroman-lq3md]

This is truly an excellent channel with such a superb breakdown. Salutations from Belfast Northern Ireland 🇬🇧

[@RobsonRoverRepair]

Another local man here also bud. Stay safe brother.

[@Abefroman-lq3md]

@@RobsonRoverRepair . You too! 🇬🇧👍👍

[@GabrielLopez-mo2xo]

The recombination of thousands of sacrificed and tortured pykers and shamans and one near god level entity of love mercy and loyalty sounds perfect for the emperor it is what he always was but more. The emperor was always torn between the desperate need to do things the scrambling and rushing and using others that resembles a tortured prisoner seeking an escape and a benevolent king that never wants to see his children or his subjects suffer. Both are evident in the lore creating space marines to the point that mutations happen and the process is deteriorating likewise punishing his son for worshiping him (likely because he feared that might become the impetus for his accession to the dark king) or his unwillingness to pull forces out to the webway in order to actually win the war against the traitors because he desperately wanted this project to work believing it would save everything. For his love and honor we see him trying to cure the night haunter of his madness, we see him offer Magnus forgiveness, we see him wanting to restore Ferris, not to mention him having to remove this aspect of himself because he still so deeply loves his son that it would cause him to hesitate. When these too halves of the emperor return it will be him as he was but simply more. He was always a man torn between two natures now those natures are only more extreme and powerful.

[@PhuzzPhactor]

Given the other developments afoot, I'll be surprised if they don't connect the Sigillite magic back to Enuncia.

[@michaeldodson9602]

Reading that last chapter with Malcador was a significant emotional event. :(

[@Archon3960]

Amazing job, Sandman. Not just from a lore covering perspective, but the voice acting was immaculate. You really have a talent for this. ;) This entire video just adds credit to the theory that _what_ is on the Throne right now is very different from _who_ was sat upon it. Now, I can understand where Cawl and Guilliman's fears about the Emperor are coming from... :/ Edit: I now have a nagging fear that GW is trying to turn modern 40k into the next Horus Heresy, to the detriment of any other faction than the Imperium or Chaos. But we'll just have to wait and see. ;/

[@sabalmal1288]

I feel like the Emperor is connected to the Old ones in some way. As he and Horus fought throughout the various settings in the warp, the Emperor showed aspects of Eldar in his martial moves, and at one point called a waaaaagh to kill Horus in one of the realities. Id imagine apart from an Orc the only other being who could call a waaaaagh is a "brain boy". I know its a stretch but I thought id bring it up here as if anyone could debunk or consider this it would be The Sandman of Terra.

[@BloodyArchangelus]

possibility that Emperor is a old one, which survived and transformed is not that low

[@chrisl4999]

I truly don’t understand how you’ve managed to keep all of these little details together. I read maybe 20 books of the heresy and apparently missed half of what was going on even that far in.

[@robsykes1491]

Another amazing video. Quickly becoming my favorite lorecaster on the interwebs!

[@tjm11015]

Also, and I might be remembering wrong, it was a lot of books ago...but doesn't this version completely erase the part of the Emperor giving Malcador the title Malcador The Hero!‽?

[@thalastianjorus]

The view/like ratio is a crime. It has been more than half a day, and the likes are still in the triple digits. Considering the quality of content Sandman has always given us - I don't find this acceptable. I don't usually do this - at least not for a KZbin channel, though this has more to do with my relationship, or now lack thereof, with KZbin itself. _Especially_ not for free. However I think it is time for me to begin directing some traffic from some of my sites to this channel. I guess I will look into contacting Sandman first, but if my secretary can't find a solid contact method today then I'll just take some liberties with it. Granted I do not foresee any real legal challenges to the idea - I've honestly never met someone who, having a public facing career, has ever turned down free advertising. TL;DR - Sandman deserves far more attention than he is getting in the WH40K content community. Therefore - I'm going to help for awhile. At least until his numbers are closer to acceptable.

[@sixstringslayer6438]

Maybe The emperor bleeding years means he'll be in a false death for those years, hence him sitting on the throne for over 10,000 years now

[@alfredandersson875]

Great discussion, great theorizing, great stream. Absolutely agree with Quipster at the end. Hopefully we won’t have to wait too long. I hope they go there soon to prepare the setting for a Dorn return. Not specifically for Dorn to return, although that would be huge as well, but just to give us a glimpse of the scouring and Dorn after he places the Emperor on the Golden Throne.

[@thomasmowslawns8138]

Corvus has to come back next.

[@seanbrazell7095]

I think the real danger is that if the emperor is removed from the Golden throne without having that part of himself that he cast off - the part that seems to be backing the lion - there to join with him at that moment when he will finally die and come back fully. He'll have all that power, all that tortured time in the piston loop of pain with NONE and he'll reincarnate with NONE of the love, hope, or empathy necessary to tame it. And THAT would be..... terrifying.

[@Mortarion-xt9wp]

Honestly I think something like that is quite likely to happen. What we know is that the starchild is the representation of the emperor's "good side". It is also implied that said child will be grounded in the materium. All this makes me think that the starchild won't be a warrior but a guide. An administrator and strategist, a leader of men. Having that part of the big E residing on Terra would allow the rest to manifest in the Warp. A god of discipline at all costs. A being embodying order, but uncaring about the cost of it.

[@kevinshort3943]

@@Mortarion-xt9wp When they split the galaxy in 2, I was suspicious that they were going to split the Imperium into 2 factions. A Science, rational faction - like big Es original plan, and a dark superstitious faction like the imperium is now, but turned up to 11.

[@Mortarion-xt9wp]

@@kevinshort3943 this is an interesting thought. A problem I see with it are the characters we know and love. After all if one half devolves a lot of heroes would end up in it.

[@martinbranditch1128]

As much speculation as there has been about Leetu, I think everyone is missing something. Leetu is the lost Primarch of the lost second legion! -We know Erda was involved with or entirely responsible for the Primarchs being scatterd, and his is introduced with her. -He is called Leetu because his incredibly old armor has LE-2 written on it! As in Legion bloody two! -He considers the Emperor his father. -He demonstrates power in the Primarch range. -Rule of cool

[@georgeb8328]

I always liked the idea that the emperor was a perpetual like Vulcan but he couldn't regenerate because he had to operate the golden throne.

[@MKRfootball2010]

Well yea that’s like saying the sky is blue lol.

[@Wimpiethe3]

I think it's pretty important to note big e cast of his loyalty. Who does he then serve? Still mankind? Seems impossible.

[@leandrocastello309]

I mean, it also seems imposible for Him to say _"i still love you Horus"_ one book after exorsicing himself of his love, but whatever.

[@FroggyTheGroggy]

​@@leandrocastello309just like Necron keep soulling despite being soulless.

[@CM26617]

Having got into 40K via the Witch Hunters of 3rd Ed, I always thought that the Imperial Living Saints were either Warp-bound reflections of a Sister's faith, or as a conduit of the Emperor. Hearing your aside implying how the likes of Celestine, Sabbat and Stern be all this AND more aligned with the Emperor's goodness that he cast aside - compassion, loyalty, honour, protectiveness of humanity - now brings all of that home. Thank you!

[@MichaelOlmeda-ch2uf]

Malcador literally gave us life lessons/jewels. RIP

[@xsjado_anon]

I saw the years of bleeding as explaining why he doesn't just recover - if he took 10,000 years of damage, then he can't recover for that amount of time and would need life support to bridge the gap until the damage is finally "healed" and he returns to his immortal self.

[@cedricvelarde]

"Their fight wasn’t only physical…. But also via cards" Horus: Urewa turn! Duro!

[@BlackEpyon]

In this episode, Leetu teaches Rogal Dorn to trust in the Splleen of the Cards!

[@DS-wl5pk]

All powerful immortal emperor: dies and has all these problems, despite having life support and a thousand souls sacrificed to him a day His son: dies and doesn’t do any of this and doesn’t have nearly as many problems

[@oglej]

i like the thought that after the emperor was placed on the throne, every single time someone looked at him there was a different guy sitting on the throne as he reincarnates over and over again.

[@stealplow8462]

So emperor chooses not to die on the throne.

[@ShadowlessFist]

One thing folks forget whilst mocking Dorn, he was the Consummate warrior, one of the Best Strategists amongst the Primarchs AND the Templar Crusading Aspect of The Imperial Fists and Later the Black Templars, comes from somewhere and that somewhere is HIM. He is a Crusading Paladin. People also often overlook that Dorn and the Fists were just as adept at laying siege as they were at defending against one.

[@peterga3658]

daaamm its been 2 weeks alrdy ?? amazing video man kkeep rewatching

[@SandmanofTerra]

Sorry, working on something big!

[@thomasmowslawns8138]

​@SandmanofTerra Please let it be about when the Phonecian was a slutty runway model

[@starchydisc6352]

“Bleeds years” could be an indication of how long he would need to be on the thrown before he’s A-Ok and good to go 👍

[@patersonplays]

That's exactly what I thought too.

[@DeathBYDesign666]

It's throne, you just said the past tense of throwing something.

[@Dante3214]

@@DeathBYDesign666 my mother is my sister

[@DekkarJr]

Would be funny if the emperor wasnt there this entire time and it was just the mechanicus operating the astropathic thingy another way

[@bookkeeper1995]

The passage about the emperor casting off part of himself sell for me that the wmperor always saw his sons as sons, and people seeing otherwise took the wrong message from the battery of meanings often psychically conveyed to people when the emperor speaks

[@DeadByDeath]

Tzeentch's foresight is greater than the Emperor's

[@RSBurgener]

Amazing discussion, I can't believe I missed the original stream! I personally think that Dorn will return when Perturabo does. And I believe the plan is already in the works. After Emperor's Children, the next Legion to refresh will be codex supplement Iron Warriors with a Perturabo model; that is the rumor, anyway. I will be here for it. If I get into a horrible accident and I'm starting to flatline, I will hold on because I know I have be here for Perturabo! I wish I was joking.

[@damiangaunt8784]

the fragment of the emperor's soul is a parrallel to the story of pandora's box.

[@rextascy]

Valdor is currently building the star child’s army in the Warp with The Star Child’s New Warp Malcador

[@acronyx991]

I feel like Rogal Dorm DID receive a mission. However it was unstated since it would probably be spoilers. Personally I believe that the emperor told Rogal of his Star fragment and the last 10k years Rogal found and raised him to prepare him for what's to come. It's going to be a setup for when the emperor does awaken from the golden throne and he isn't the emperor anymore, in the end it's going to be The Emperor and his Darkness vs The Emperor and his light.

[@nikolaishriver7922]

It would be awesome if Perti' made a deal with, and got powered-up, by Vashtorr

[@MeldrickCz]

I want for Rogal Dorn to be fun. Dorn: I am not a fan. I am Rogal Dorn...and sad.

[@chickenmonger123]

1:03:40 He could be a large animated statue. Something the Colossus of Rhodes. Only maybe smaller and otherwise made of a colored type of Marble. The body and skin flexes like you’d expect, but only when the movement is caused by him. If he gets hit, it doesn’t disperse through his body like normal force. It wears away at the point of contact only.

[@nicksaurian5830]

I sense the potential for a clash between the throne emperor and star child.

[@Goldenblitzer]

With what we know about Bequin, and the fact that the star child is described as a little girl, it makes you wonder if in Pandemonium may end with Beta becoming a grail for the Emperor eventually, maybe

[@stinkfist911]

Can 100% confirm. If the emporer returns he will definitely be a chick.

[@ryanhampson673]

And wasn’t it a little girl that was the only person able to navigate through Tzneech’s crystal palace?

[@mattk1764]

51:34 It could also be that the Emperor turns into a Chaos God (aka the Dark King) upon the reunion with the part of his soul he cast off.... Reason I say this is because it is in this moment he relinquishes his godlike powers and stops his ascension.. So, he blasted all the warp power he had accumulated - which would have turned him into the 5th Chaos God - into the Warp alongside his love and compassion... It is not too far fetched that a reunion with this part would simply restart the process of him becoming the Dark King, especially considering this fragment of his soul has grown much, much more powerful ever since

[@ericmcmanus5179]

If the emporer ends up becoming another chaos god, how the hell could humanity ever survive then? They are barely holding on now.

[@RedikM]

Truly amazing presentation... I know fuck all about warhammer but I really enjoy your videos.

[@whitewarwolf]

How crazy would it be if Vashtor turned into to be the Hammer of Olympia

[@LJD442]

Mr.Bones40k has some interesting theories on the Primach's powers and roles.

[@scottbarker9405]

What if the half of the Emperor's mind that's been on the Golden throne is the chaos God Mallice?

[@zree758]

I thought horus was completely blown out of existence I wonder how many inconsistencies riddle the 40k lore

[@AAC1714]

The emperor explained his foresight to RA didn’t he ? He says he can see the start and the finish but everything inbetween is basically a jumbled fumbled timeline.

[@SandmanofTerra]

Yeah that's basically how I view it. I'll have to double check the quote

[@AAC1714]

@@SandmanofTerra it’s an interesting point I feel as though people forget to mention when speaking on the emperor’s actions and there in choices made leading up to said actions and I feel as though it does alter what the story may turn into if he truly knows what he’ll end up becoming… here’s just hoping I see him step off of the golden throne in some way before I hit 40

[@feddanilov6024]

God i wish Malkador inferior from Cawl using mentioned writings of the Sigilight

[@Zhentarim]

I liked the idea of the emperor being taken from the throne by Russ so he could be reborn or something like that (after a long time), and in that return Russ would take his place like Odin, and who would come as the 5th God of Chaos, or just a Minor god of war, would be Sanguinius

[@sonoftheforge]

Is it possible that the future that played out the way it needed to with the cards? Emperor on the throne stops him from returning without his emotions, now that part is stuck there while the “good” parts of the emperor finds its way back to its other half.

[@patrickmaziere3525]

I beleive your point on the throne and the emperor sustaining each other is furthermore backed by the fact that Vulkan was suppose to take Malcador's place in case things went even more sideway. I may be mistaking, but him being a perpetual with maybe unknown power could have been a good zombie fit

[@takosos]

Malcador and the Emperor fighting over baby plans (Whether the primarchs should be sisters) Malcador actually disagreeing on this plan. I think Malcador lived long enough to have sister in laws to see how much they fight.

[@DummyFace123]

Well, hes not called The Hero for nothing. What a passage. What an utter Unit.

[@catnium]

toput this in perspective , no one would wanna F with the Sanq but Horus like just squished him like a fly

[@GzusCriced2011]

So if the golden throne is xenos tech, where did it come from and who was it originally intended for?

[@kevinshort3943]

Somewhere else it was implied it was eldari/old one, and used in some way with the webway.

[@ohamatchhams]

@@kevinshort3943 So basically Old Ones' techs, humans are likely being one of failsafe plans for Old Ones to have living beings overcome both Necrons and tumors (Chaos) within The Warp

[@cassiusaureliusanima]

It was a key part in the webway project. Maybe a way to establish a constant and stable portal with the webway or, if i may throw a theory, it could be a webway generator that was hidden there from the necrons and their gods

[@BattleBrotherCasten]

Big E found all the Eldar tech under the Earth as it was once apart of the Eldar Empire.

[@KingNisch13]

I know they say that if the Emperor is removed from the Golden Throne, a litany of demons would stream into real space through the Webway, which kind of makes me hope that Abaddon gets what he wants. In his moment of victory, as he has thrown the Emperor from the Throne, he realizes the truth of what the Emperor was holding back. But, what would have happened if Dorn had NOT put the Emperor on the Throne? If the Emperor died, he would have regenerated, and returned. I also find myself wondering if ALL of this, the Heresy and the resulting fallout, could have been avoided if the Emperor had told Horus about the Webway project instead of just going "you're in charge now, deuces!!" If he told Horus what he was doing, and WHY he was doing it, could the Heresy have been avoided?

[@Pers0n97]

10:00 Plot twist: The fight between the Emperor and Horus was actually a Yu-Gi-Oh duel.

[@feuerling]

They call it "Paradox-Billiards-Vostroyan-Roulette-Fourth-Dimensional-Hypercube-Chess-Strip Poker"

[@StarFyodperor]

What if We install Text To Speech device into the golden throne ?

[@mosdef3698]

Great content👍🏾

[@dethmunky86]

It was The Lightning Tower.

[@rumorcontrol7873]

It would be interesting if the end direction GW takes the storyline is that the half of the Emperor's soul on the throne firmly believes in the Imperial Truth while the other half believes in the power of the Human Soul and the Imperium becomes divided over this issue as the same old xenos and warp issues keep happening

[@pablonunalvares5391]

I want Jaghatai to come back riding some kind of demon-engine with a keeper of secrets or bloodthirster in it or something out of a nightmare (aka whatever hellish shit the drucchi create). Dorn's superpower will probably be something related to his wrath, maybe he'll release a double of himself that's full-on attack mode, an unstoppable sword to his impervious shield... Would be cool for him to have any meaning to his ability to resist Khorne's calling having a play on his warp thing...

[@KevinJDildonik]

Dr. Who is where I want to see 40k go. The Emperor gets unplugged, and this actually heals him. So many graybeards scream how this would ruin the grimdark. Here's a hint for the grimdark crew. If the Emperor does come back, what does he bring with him? If the Golden Throne is unplugged, maybe the Astronomicon goes dark. Mankind (at least temporarily) loses warp. Maybe some elder gods return, maybe on Mars. You can have a whole story cycle about a new dark age for 11th edition. And reset the setting for 12th edition. Sounds like a whole lot of fun. And the reincarnated Emperor... Gasp... Could even have avatars that get used in armies!

[@NaumRusomarov]

My 2c. The emperor died. What we’re seeing now is an interpretation of the warp created by all those billions of believers. It’s probably waiting for the right moment to achieve apotheosis, although that might not be the best case scenario for humanity.

[@hunterrogers4116]

I always told A human stood between horus and the big E . A custodes stood between them A terminator imperial fist stood between them . Amd then olamious person as the last one

[@Intelwinsbigly]

Malcadore also didn't give the last of his power to the emperor like in old lore. He was also a perpetual... I know I'm coping, but I like wizard grandpa.

[@X7_MERC_MAN_17]

I feel like the Emperor didn't bring his full power to bear until it was almost to late. He was holding back

[@wanderingronin305]

He almost became a chaos god he sent the power away