Was The MOTHER OF THE PRIMARCHS Correct About the EMPEROR? | Warhammer 40K Investigations

[@Mwuhahaha]

"A guy called John" lmao - totally caught me off guard after the mention of those great characters and names haha

[@Archmagos_assistant]

As a biologist and very basic guidelines for how genes and evolution works, it makes sense that the Emperors’ genes for passing on the “perpetual” genetic trait would be sporadic in his offspring because depending on the mother some genetic traits will appear, while other genetic traits remain dormant or disappear all together. Since this is how it works in real life, and if the Primarchs really are the Emperor’s biological children, they would all have the “perpetual” trait, whether that trait is active like it is in Vulcan or apparently dormant in all the other Primarchs who don’t actively show their “perpetual” power, it only becomes activated once the Primarch dies and it somehow keeps their soul intact. Obviously, there is a lot of sci-fi genetic modification taking place in 40K and so I’m not sure how much actual science applies, but we’re all here to worship the god Emperor.

[@Abominable_Intelligences]

Indeed brother, the Emperor Protects!

[@buliwyn]

We found the Magos Biologis.

[@MegaDoom101]

Thanks for the info, you’re one of the good ones. Ave Imperator.

[@TheBassManBoy]

With all the genetic editing the Emperor did I can see him intentionally removing the Perpetual phenotype from most of the Primarchs, especially from those that were designed to be more aggressive and violent. I think it isn't a coincidence that the only confirmed Perpetual Primarch is also the "nice one". The Big E was trying to prevent a situation like the modern Imperium has to deal with when it comes the active demon Primarchs.

[@MrJpc1234]

Tbh i dont think the perpetual trait makes sense to be a genetic trait.....since it activates even after the genes themselves have been destroyed it must transcend that

[@bobloerakker7010]

Thanks erdna! Pfff sending poor Konrad to Nostramo, no guidance to understand his powers and left alone in one of the worst hive cities in existence, where cannibalism is the primary source of protein.

[@astrovarius543]

Thank goodness she saved him from the Emperor. He only had to dig his way up through adamantine as a baby to then be met with the most functionally soulless human society imaginable. Can you imagine how much worse it would have been for him to grow up on Terra with his mother and father??? YUCK /sarcasm

[@thesmilinggun-knight9646]

Erda scattering the primarchs caused the heresy to happen, because let take for instance if lorgar was raised by the emperor along with his brothers he wouldn’t have become a religiously obsessed choir boy thus he would not have fallen to chaos. Edit Konrad wouldn’t been a insane Emo maniac and angron wouldn’t have the butchers nails in his skull turning him into a bloodthirsty maniac.

[@MichaelLewis-fx8eq]

They also wouldn't have had truly human experiences. Erda explains that Big E would have hastened their natural lives to grown adults meant to conquer. Skipping over all that comes naturally. I think that is a very important point. It could be that things would have turned out even worse for humanity in the long run and for all instead of just a few of the Primarchs if Big E's plans had gone unhindered. I know the Primarchs mature exceedingly fast compared to normal humans (this being the genetically enhanced growth) but at least (in Erda's opinion/hopes) being away from the constant war the Emperor wanted to raise them in would make them into more than mere conquering machines.

[@ZeroNumerous]

@@MichaelLewis-fx8eq "It would have turned out even worse for humanity"? How? Currently humanity in the 42nd millennium is literally on the way to extinction. The only way it could be worse is if they actually died out completely. Also, in scattering them Erda turned half of them into conquering daemons who exist solely to destroy civilization, the very thing she sought to stop. We've really gotta stop giving Erda any amount of credit and just admit she got played by Chaos.

[@MagXZaru]

Very very good point

[@jamesespinosa690]

@@MichaelLewis-fx8eq "They also wouldn't have had truly human experiences." What are you talking about?? What is this "truly human experience" supposed to mean? You are aware, that the "human experience" is infinitely varied....

[@MichaelLewis-fx8eq]

@@jamesespinosa690 As in, they would have been grown in a lab, raised by a God-like being that had demi-god like expectations of them and then be sent into the galaxy to slaughter alien species. They would all have had exactly the same upbringing. At least their scattering provided each primarch with unique experiences during their lives that distinguished them from each other in a meaningful way other than geneseed. They felt love, hope, loss, betrayal, anger, hatred, etc. And note that I'm speaking of "human experiences" as we in our modern world would define them, not in 40k terms where being hooked into a dreadnought counts as a "human experience".

[@desmondwilliams9426]

The Priest in the last church told him" if you take away people faith in what they call gods,who do you think they'll look at as a god". He should have listened and he wouldn't have lost Lorgar

[@bigz4339]

I don't believe that. Lorgar's landing on Colchis, a planet that worshipped the literal Chaos Gods, and being adopted by Erebus, who still worshipped the Chaos Gods and held more sway over Lorgar than the Emperor had more to do with Lirgar's fall and the subsequent Heresy than anything else.

[@desmondwilliams9426]

@@bigz4339 the heresy had nothing at all to do with his downfall. It was when the emperor destroyed his city and told him he was no god and he failed. Imagine God came ans told you everything you believe in about him told you it was all for nothing and you are his most failed creation.... After all your years of worship and praising him, thanking him and you are a disgrace

[@EbonFang_92]

Erda did say He was pig-headed.

[@nbmoleminer5051]

We don't necessarily need gods haven't you heard of faiths like Buddhism.

[@foff3804]

@nbmoleminer5051 [Sigh] you missed the point

[@MiddleAgedGuy73]

If you don't see the body, there's a chance Erda could show up in future lore.

[@mcc_1024]

They'd have to rewrite alot of the canon, Erebus stabbed her with the anatheame blade. She's suffered "true death".

[@SeanHenderson]

Who say she didn't use a clone! She was a genius geneticist!

[@louispoling8743]

F Erebus..lol

[@MiddleAgedGuy73]

@mcc_1024 maybe though I thought Horus was stabbed with the blade when it was whole and he didn't die. This dagger is a piece of the blade that hurt Horus. So maybe true death, maybe not.

[@thatotherguy8138]

Even if you do see a body, there's a chance Erda could show up in future lore.

[@seanturner1197]

You just know the setting is both grim and dark when it turns out that the big E was the good parent.

[@astrovarius543]

He did the best he could with the 20 traumatized giga-children he was left with. He had to do it all himself, 20x parenting for damaged demi-god manchilds and full-time work that keeps the lights on for all of humanity throughout the entire galaxy. The meme that the Emperor is a shit dad is a shit meme.

[@evilmiera]

He wasn't though? He straight up admits when he's talking to Guilliman he saw him as a tool, even if Guilliman was his "favorite" tool. But more important than that, he didn't treat the adult Primarchs like adults, either.

[@John-kc4cg]

@@evilmiera That was only one part of the emperor saying that though, even if GW intends for that to be the view of the Emperor as a whole being it's just bad writing that contradicts previous lore.

[@evilmiera]

@@John-kc4cg It doesn't contradict it at all, if he just lied about caring earlier, whereas the meeting of souls laid bare the truth as the text says.

[@John-kc4cg]

@@evilmiera Why was he calling the Primarchs his sons when he was looking for them? Even Maclador was surprised because he thought they were only meant to be tools and yet big E was calling them his sons.

[@azurewraith2585]

Erda’s plot honestly has seemingly gotten worse with each plot revelation, especially now that we know alpharius was raised by emps and was more sane than half his siblings. A big problem has always been gw being unable to decide how bad of a guy big E is and that indecision harms a lot of characters.

[@TheSpicyLeg]

Exactly. It seems like GW tries to add moral ambiguity to the Emperor to make the contrast between him and the Ruinous Powers more ambiguous. The problem is that the Ruinous Powers are unambiguously evil, regardless of their individual outcomes. People try all the time to make Chaos ambiguous (i.e. Slaanesh encourages creativity, Khorne honorable combat, Nurgle loves life as much as death, etc) but they’re more like fundamental forces of nature than entities with free will. Slaanesh will always cause a spiral into depravity. Nurgle will always end up with endless death and rebirth like a colony of bacteria. Big E represents moderation to entities where that conception doesn’t exist. Making him morally ambiguous only makes the characters around him confusing, irrational, and illogical.

[@azurewraith2585]

@@TheSpicyLeg on one hand I think keeping emps ambiguous is somewhat necessary. They’ve written the emperor to be essentially the only hope against chaos but also made him a genocidal megalomaniac who wants to extinguish nearly all life in existence just for a chance at killing chaos. that is a tough line to walk even for amazing writers.

[@TheSpicyLeg]

@@azurewraith2585 I agree it is tough, but tough because it is unnecessary. Making Big E a tyrant doesn’t add much, because he will always be preferable to the alternative. The West made an alliance with Joseph Stalin, despite Stalin being an absolutely atrocious human being, because the alternative was worse. It didn’t really matter if Stalin was also found to be a racist in addition to all the other horrible things he was. Furthermore, the grim dark nature we all love is represented by the sad reality that all the things the Imperium does is necessary to them. It is mere survival. In other words, Big E could be a moral exemplar that is kind, benevolent, and caring, and it wouldn’t change how the Imperium runs. He can only make it better. As my dad says, “No one asks the fireman what kind of man he is.” We just want the fireman to put out the fire and rescue our kids from the window. Prefacing the fireman’s arrival by telling the 911 caller that the fireman is a jerk who hates women does nothing to change the dynamic of the situation. If I seem like I’m disagreeing with you, I’m not. I totally see your point. It is just frustrating as making Big E morally ambiguous is a hobby force of mine.

[@kimmogensen4888]

Alpharius was mostly raised by malcador the sigillite, he was definitely more sane than most, but still stupid enough to believe that team Horus was something that could be beneficial for humanity, trying to kill the alien cabal that claims that you have to help destroy your own species to help the universe is always the only answer. Even in a 30k world believing that you can actually know what will happen to a million planets 10.000 years in the future with a 100% certainty 💩 and nothing in the next 10.000 years will change that fact 😀 if Horus wins this doom if the Emperor wins this doom, and just killing the cabal and leaving Davon when Horus soul is in the warp whit Erebus soul would not be a better idea, + 100 others were you are not joining Horus 🤷‍♂️ it is whit the Primarchs and real world people, genes, the environment you grow up in and your own choice (good choice made easier or harder by the genes and environment)that effect you behavior and personality, Angron is the classic example of creation of a sociopath who passes on the gift to his sons, no parents or adults doesn’t have good results in real life or 40k, but growing up in hard times but with a good example to follow like Corvus Corax or Sanguinius seems to have better chance of success.

[@tyrlant2189]

They shoehorned in a woman, she's probably a perfect girlboss who makes all the men uncomfortable because she is so competent. She will not be an idealized sweet submissive female archetype like his bride should be.

[@ravenRedwake]

I hate the idea that chaos came from humanity in a primary way (the gods). There are civilizations and races that lived and died long before our ancestors were doing the bit from 2001 a space odyssey with bone clubs and stuff.

[@toddolson4614]

The warp has been around for ages back to the old ones. I have always taken that the current God's have been reshaped by humanity not created by humanity. Besides Slaanesh was created by Eldar just recently (in galactic terms). Also I look at how the Aeldari God's were birthed and killed. I do find a plot gap in the Aeldari God's being of the warp when the Aeldari fight against the ruinous powers.

[@heirwolf6929]

This is quickly becoming one of my favourite 40k channels. Keep up the good work!

[@SandmanofTerra]

Wow, thanks!

[@BattleBrotherCasten]

@@SandmanofTerra I think the shaman rituals maybe how the perpetuals were created in general not just the Emperor if there were thousands of shamans..maybe its just me.

[@MajorCrisis]

"Karen took the kids," has been my least favorite addition to 40k lore.

[@evilestmonkeey]

Still the most realistic

[@sigurdrr1015]

​@@evilestmonkeeyYou got a point there.

[@thenson1Halo]

Raditz: Two Saiyan that are stronger than I am will be here in a year. Piccolo: A year?! Our only chance is to unlock Gohan's potential before then! Erda: Stop rushing things and cutting corners. I don't want Gohan to pull a hammy.

[@v02max75]

The scene where Erda fights the greater Daemons reminds me of how the Agents, and some awoken folks, move in The Matrix. Seems like her body is moving and changing so rapidly that it looks like multiple versions of her are overlapping with each other

[@ArlindoBuriti]

a warp freak.

[@UnrepentantWolf]

Erda + Morrigan

[@douglastarbox7640]

considering the fallout I would be more inline to questioning her judgement not Big E's.

[@PeteLV]

Love the longer format videos, thanks!

[@Upsilon1984]

The Emperor/Neoth and Erda should have made the Primarchs the crude way, less chance of chaos shenanigans.

[@jackmehoff9517]

He couldn’t or at least thought he couldn’t his natural children are the Sensei.

[@Upsilon1984]

@@jackmehoff9517 that old lore has been retconed

[@Ragnarra]

He likely would have stopped at a more reasonable number.

[@Upsilon1984]

@Ragnarra so like 5 to 10

[@MrDMSir]

​@@Upsilon1984fuck it, 20

[@elguerojusticiero]

So she ruined immortality for everybody? Well thanks a bunch mom!

[@deshaunsucc2275]

Sandman and Baldemort collab when?

[@SandmanofTerra]

I've actually met Baldermort and he's a lovely dude! We spoke for a long time. However, he's also understandably very busy! But hopefully we can find time for something in the future

[@deshaunsucc2275]

@@SandmanofTerra that's all I needed to hear, my head cannon is complete

[@AzrealMaximus]

How delicious THAT would be😏

[@Numinon]

Ah yes, the mark of true love: not being brutally killed upon betrayal.

[@lucchi018]

For a ruthless dictator like him, that's his biggest proof of love he could give to someone who betrayed him.

[@durrangodsgrief6503]

@@lucchi018 nah its the fact she had the 20 hopes for man kind scattered into the void any other would have obliterated her for this act of highest madness hell most would have her watch Angron and see the fruits of her actions

[@Technoanima]

To be fair, I wouldn’t be in the mood to fight with the ex if she yeeted the kids into hell across the galaxy too.

[@emirhaneksioglu4503]

Yeee I will cast my kids out into the demon infested warp, they'll have a normal life. Sounds like a great plan, mom.

[@saltyshackles5227]

Erda; The Eve of 40k. Its all her fault 😂

[@Technoanima]

History rhymes. 😂

[@relee89]

Love the video, and Erda and the other perpetuals being shocked by the scope of emperors ambition makes sense. Especially when you read master of mankind and even Ra at the end of the book talks about in his monologue how shocking the scope of his master’s ambition is. If even a custodian is scared of it, it’s got to be hard for those not created to serve and understand him like they are to grapple with.

[@danielhan4537]

A wise man once said that everyone in 30k must be critically stupid or flawed in order for 40k to occur. So if we can blame the Big E for being a terrible father, we can also blame Erda for being a terrible mother in her own way as well.

[@probablythedm1669]

Terrible dad and absent deadbeat mother. So be a good parent or someone gets to live in 40k 😱

[@astrovarius543]

Dad was building the family home and setting up the family business while mom put them all in baskets to float down a river while patting herself on the back for saving them lol. Remind me again how it was *both* their faults?

[@probablythedm1669]

@@astrovarius543 Hello Angron, my son! I am here now. Would you like to go on a genocidal crusade? No, I want to die with my loving family in this hopeless battle. Nope, you go murder for me. I am the best dad. Hi Dad look at all the worship we do of you! Look at how we spent over a century, all to your knowledge and without objection from you, making the worlds we conquerd love you as much as we do! I built the perfect city to show you how much we love you! Your city is lame, your legion is too slow, look at your brother Robute he is so much better than you. He bombed your cringe city. Gods are lame and would make you kneel, just like this. Suck it bitches! Get a move on with the crusade and stop being cringe! I hate everything you've done to express your love for me the past century! Gods are cringe, I am not cringe, so I am no god. I am best dad. I could go on... he was not a good dad once he had the chance.

[@danielhan4537]

@@astrovarius543 Well this can explain why the Primarch are so flawed, we can see that they get their traits from both patents. The good, the bad, the even more bad, and their "logical thinking".

[@Archon3960]

I find it funny how Erda showed more love to her children than Him. He just didn't know what to do, I guess. x)

[@baddragonite]

I think when she describes the Emperor as "always correct" she's eluding to how he views his own decisions as she's also describing Big E as arrogant

[@peterga3658]

i feel like they did her dirty. GW gave us this new super strong interesting character just to finish her off a book lter, and since then nothing.. i want more books with the mother of the primarachs. more books with Aeldar , more specifically Ynnari and dark eldar (like for real what re they doing) i want necrons books, want to know what is going on with the pariah nexus.

[@ravenRedwake]

It’s still kinda weird he’d choose the Himalayans as a base, because it’s right on a fault line, a few cyclonic torpedoes would have dropped the entire complex and it’s defenders. A more momentous if slightly less grand would have been the greenstone belt in South Africa since they’re the oldest, or the Appalachian mountains for being relatively in a fault free zone (there’s a couple actually) but maybe after 30k years it’s died down a lot.

[@astrovarius543]

I don't think the creators of 40k were thinking about tectonics when they came up with pre-unification Terra. I still love the absurd grandiosity of it anyway.

[@danielboatright8887]

Thats probably a safeguard plan, drop it into the fault before capture

[@ZeroNumerous]

The reason he chose the Himalayans is precisely because it's on a fault line in mountains. It's unassailable by the ground due to being mountains, and prior to the Unification Wars Big E was fighting other ground-based powers. This is why Dorn's fortifications in the Siege are primarily anti-air, since focusing on that ensured the traitors needed to walk up the mountains to battle, and their numerical advantage was consequently mitigated.

[@mis8866]

TBF when he was building the palace, the africa nations were not yet pacified completely, so maybe thats a reason why he chose the himms?

[@mkvenner2]

The old lore used be the the imperial palace covers what used to be the British Isles with the golden throne located where Nottingham was.

[@NerdGasims]

As always great informative video on 40K lore. Though one thing you mentioned & just didn’t talk about was/is Horus’s middle name; Heresy. Horus Heresy Lupercal, with a middle name like that Big E had to know he was going to do something really bad! No wonder the chaos gods told Erebus & Lorgar to make him their champion “his middle name is Heresy that’s our guy!”

[@Niggurath-n4h]

What's the use of speculation when the company keep changing and removing established lore or plot settings??

[@astrovarius543]

This is why I ignore the mother of the primarchs/space marine plotlines, since they're an obvious shoehorn and will be forgotten in time. The legacy of the Emperor, on the other hand, will endure.

[@ShadrackMeduson]

poor comunication between writters and basically coming up with more stuff to build up unecesary plotlines to fill more pages.

[@0heck]

​@astrovarius543 this isn't feminist coming for 40k is it..

[@DarranKern]

@@0heckgames workshop has a lot of commies on the staff, and the fantasy setting has had some very cringey contributors for a while now. So, yes. Yes it is.

[@Niggurath-n4h]

@@0heck it's already in warhammer40k. Remember it was even about to become "Warp is Female!"

[@ordo_draigo_assault_ham]

If she cared and was intelligent, she would have gone with all of them to put them in proper homes. Instead, she tossed them through hell portals because reasons.

[@Technoanima]

Just crazy Ex things. 😂

[@Archon3960]

An amazing video from yours truly. I highly recommand listening to it with Cryo Chamber ambiance in the background, this made for an incredible experience given the subject of Erda and the Emperor. :)

[@LazzarrusLong]

03:23 You are a brave man Love your work! 😃 (Edit: Awe bummer, the timestamp no longer lands where it should due to video editing.)

[@KevinArdala01]

The Perpetuals sacrificing themselves to create the Emperor makes perfect evolutionary sense if you factor in 'emergent properties': he becomes greater than the sum of his parts in advantageous and unexpected ways.

[@reesestefer]

So I’m a little curious if the emperor can’t reincarnate in the way most ppl think. So what if he were to reincarnate and thus split into thousands of shamans again lol or does someone else get to ride shotgun the next time

[@someguy4405]

Ah yes, the most powerful of monsters: The Void Karen.

[@alexhastur]

Nightmare fuel

[@canadianweez]

So Erda decided which worlds the Primarchs would land on? She's responsible for Curze???

[@Technoanima]

Yes, she basically tossed the kids everywhere there was a population center.

[@acadiano10]

A little Doctor Who, a bit Dune, a pinch of Highlander. Can there be only one? 😅 Great video, mate.

[@SandmanofTerra]

GW "borrows" a lot of other lore 😂

[@acadiano10]

@@SandmanofTerra True. But doesn't always like to share with others 😉

[@Napukin]

I absolutely hate that they're explaining the myths and I'm afraid that they'll do an Age of Sigmar with 40k. Primaris marines have few cool aspects, but are aesthetically watered-down versions of what marines were before. I miss the attempt at futurizing ancient armor, but the new stuff is just trying to make the old designs tactical, which is just falling short.

[@studentjohn]

I love the video, thank you for making it! To keep up the discussion: I'd disagree that the imperium, as it ends up, works at all well to protect humanity. It's ruinously inefficient, it offers endless opportunities for rebellions and chaos and genestealer cults to take root, it creates wars it doesn't need to fight, it wastes opportunities to make itself stronger by peaceful interaction with xenos where that would apply, it created it's own biggest enemy in the Chaos forces, and the list goes on. It's like a massively unhealthy person with a gun and a big bag of ammo: "You have twenty diseases" "But I can defend myself with me gun". "Your heart is on the point of failure" "But I can shoot any muggers who come at me". "There are parasites eating your innards" "but I've got me gun, so don't you mess". Saying the Imperium is succeeding in its mission to protect humanity because it churns out endless soldiers and sends them off to fight endless wars is missing the point in the exact same way.

[@studentjohn]

Or, another way I might argue it: the imperium has persisted for 10,000 years, but that doesn't mean it has been actually _protecting_ humanity for that time - it's done and allowed immense harm to humanity, in a very simple and material sense, of it's own accord. The imperium, in that light, is just another force occupying human-settled space, one that jealously quashed any alternative, true, human civilisations. It is defending it's de-facto slave race, humanity, against it's enemies - that doesn't mean it's defending humanity, it's just defending it's own monopoly on using and abusing it. it's like an abuser conditioning it's victim to believe the abuser is the one defending them - because he keeps the muggers and burglars from getting into the house the abuse happens in.

[@JoshuaKevinPerry]

Is Erda short for Alpharius?

[@inquisitorgrynthebandito2736]

Different language

[@garrettandtammylauman3213]

I was hoping it was actually two hours and 40 minutes long. Still an excellent lore video I loved it!! Thank you Sandman!!

[@jembaucan9042]

what if ,, likely that the Chaos Gods also showed Erda a vision of her sons killing each other in the future (The Horus Heresy) like what happened with Horus when he was shown a vision of the future where the emperor is worshiped as god So Erda thought that the Emperor had a hand on there sons killing each other, so she had done what she had done

[@vtak194]

Dude, i'm so happy I found your channel! Saw my first video on the 2nd/11th primarchs and found y'all fascinating, love a good lore breakdown and way more so when i find out new lore! This was a great video too, I'd read most of the stuff you talked about but found your insights really cool and thought provoking which is what good lore has to accomplish to become good lore or be remembered as lore Going to keep watching for sure, I love how your channel is straight to the point. I've turned off so many lore videos because its flashing cut into excessive digital bullshit and making up for a lack of content/new content with Afterworks and Premiere bullshit. And hosts who're just whoring themselves out begging for likes and subscribes turn me off immediately. You don't do it barebones, that's not a good way to phrase it. You do the presentation justice rather. It all comes from books so a proper presentation is to talk about the lore. Not your merch and your patreon and your website and on and on. You talk about the lore and do it justice and have insights and angles on things and know things I don't know and I'm a huge lore nerd. No nonsense, right to the point, and very effective. Pretty damn perfect man, I appreciate your work up there with Leutin and Adeptus Ridiculous, you have your own angle on things but I love it like I love theirs. Keep focus on your strength which is a vast depth of lore

[@SandmanofTerra]

Thanks man! I have fun doing it

[@justindato2554]

This could have been smut material but nah gotta grow them in a pod somehow.

[@bigc7t]

Great job Sandman, very good stuff, thank you.

[@thesunthrone]

Very curious. These added revelations about the Perpetuals and the Emperor's long term plans seem to really underline the parallel between the humanity and the Aeldari, in particular with the reincarnation as something inherent to all Aeldari at the height of their empire. Perhaps that explains why the Emperor grew so cruel and hasty - he saw this civilization that ruled the stars for tens of millions of years to be swallowed by a horrifying god of their own unconscious creation, and realized that humanity was well on the same track had something not be done and fast - hence the Imperial Truth. But all his plan would do, would accomplish the very same thing, scattered primarchs or no - humans have a need to believe into something, and that belief inevitably echoes in the Warp. In fact, it is that very belief that both doomed the Imperium - but also what's keeping it barely alive against all the horrors that have encroached it. And here too does humanity's doom mirror that of the Aeldari...

[@samhunter1205]

The warp mirrors emotion, not just belief, so I don't think theism is that central to any Eldar-style fall - after all, the pre-fall Eldar were largely so hedonistic and self centred that they didn't really worship anything in a traditional religious sense. As for the Emperor's plans, I thought this was pretty clear from Master of Mankind. The Emperor planned to seize control of the webway, freeing humanity from the need for psykers, and then promote the blank gene, altering the human race so that they cast no reflection in the warp. This would starve and massively weaken the Chaos gods and liberate humanity from the temptations of the warp . . . whether or not humanity having no souls would have had any downside is up for debate.

[@shivanmaharaj5232]

There's Horus Lupercal, Malcador the Sigilite, The Emporer of Mankind, and of course... JOHN!!!

[@johndalziel4226]

I'm pretty sure erdas space marine doesn't have any primarch gene seed I was listening to the audiobook today

[@ShadrackMeduson]

could be one made from the emperor himself because i do recall leetu saying he views erda as his }mother and the emperor as his father. Possibly he was made to be the prototype of the custodes.

[@bobbywatson2737]

Great content as always, thanks M. Sandman !

[@malcolm_in_the_middle]

Erda doesn't exist. She was made up by Lorgar to cope with his daddy issues. "See brothers? We had a mommy, and she loved us very much"

[@inquisitorgrynthebandito2736]

With all these characters, Malchador the Sigilite, Sanguinius, Mortarion, Trazyn the Infinite, Lion El Johnson, etc....i feel like we need a major character whos just "Jacob the guy"

[@ForgottenSaber2367]

“I think the emperor truly loved her, because he didn’t have her brutally killed.” 😂🤣😂

[@SandmanofTerra]

😂 It's his love language

[@Blencs]

Love these vids and congrats on the success. Your like the Harry Styles of the conclave podcast 😂

[@SandmanofTerra]

😂 I will let Quipster know

[@Blencs]

Tbf he’s a dead ringer for Zayn 😂 wondered what he’d done since leaving 1D, turns out he’s a painfully good miniature painter… did you now he was on the fencing team?….😂

[@silent_stalker3687]

19:20 That is more or less a hazard Remember Emps projects people to what they view him as, and what they view his words to be. Needless to say if that guy saw Emps first like that and then after he lost his friends the words would likely change from ‘number 12’ to ‘friend 12’ Corvus actually is told this and experiences this first hand

[@cassiusaureliusanima]

I would love to see Erda again in the current setting, maybe she ends up helping Russ and Corax in the warp. Maybe she is the one helping them with their powers. Wouldn't it be awesome? Imagine those big boys having some motherly love. Maybe she even understands more of Big E's point of view, even if she may differ with him. That would be awesome

[@SandmanofTerra]

That would be fascinating, or even just her trying to appeal to the daemon primarchs in the warp maybe

[@cassiusaureliusanima]

@@SandmanofTerra I would be amazing. Imagine her appearing on the primarchs that would talk to her saying that their mother and father had been talking in the warp. Post divorce talking, a second chance for both? It sounds funny in the grim dark future and you get the joke, but yeah, imagine big e learning to trust in Erda when he is dying and letting her teaching their sons about the warp and to control their powers as half of them come from her would be a change, a positive one and a revealing one of the nature of the emperor

[@ZeroNumerous]

@@SandmanofTerra Oh that would be great! Imagine her just being killed by Perturabo or Angron for abandoning them, or mocked for scattering the Primarchs in the first place by Lorgar. It'd really underscore just how stupid of an addition this character is, and how it does nothing but detract from the Greek tragedy that is the Primarch story. I think it'd be even better if she met Guilliman, and tried to be his mother only to get resoundingly rejected because he already had a mom. One who didn't float his ass upriver and then forget he existed. Erda should really meet all the primarchs--or their graves in the case of the dead ones--so the utter pointlessness of her character can be driven home. Really show how all of the loyalist primachs were whole and good people in spite of her, and all of the chaos primarchs were broken and evil people directly because of her actions. And if she were to meet Alpharius--the one that supposedly grew up alongside the Emperor not the one who was supposedly found--then it'd be the nail in the coffin for how colossally stupid of an act the scattering really is, and underscore how Erda got completely played by Chaos. Alpharius, the son raised directly with the Emperor and Malcador, completely and utterly refutes her argument that the Emperor was a worst option for the primarchs. He grew up happy, sane, and comfortable, and his foundling twin ends up the crazy heretic.

[@cassiusaureliusanima]

@@ZeroNumerous go cry to games workshop. If you don't like the character, at least, say it and don't waste your time and our time with such a long and pointless rant that comes out of nowhere just because you don't like it. Go talk to the author or cry because you can't enjoy Warhammer 40k due to the simple fact of her existence. You should do that for so many characters in so many books that you would be a crying little mess on a corner every day...please, don't be a kid. We are here to enjoy the lore and the characters we like. If you love eldrad or any other character enjoy them, but don't try to cry and poop on your pants like a baby just by getting some attention screaming at the top of your keyboard lungs that you don't like Erda. Now, if you are going to answer, please, be a grown adult. Good day

[@DarranKern]

@@cassiusaureliusanimathat’s the most cringe thing I have ever heard

[@ShrimpFarmerFromUranus]

It is somehow funny how the worshipping of the emperor in the 40k universe is mirrored by the fans in real life. One have to give it to GW: They created fictional propaganda which also works in real life.

[@ayechan12]

I've been binge watching those i just wanna say he is the lore goat. I have never seen someone rawdogging a lore IN A LIVE STREAM.

[@SandmanofTerra]

Hahaha, thanks

[@telmosilva9161]

damn, 1h went by so fast , loved the theme q&a concept.

[@Bikeadelic]

The most interesting thing about 40k, the emperor of man and the Imperial cult is how the belief in the god emperor as a benevolent and holy god transfers over to the real world. People will jump to different him if someone points of his hypocrisy. Additionally People will go out of their way to worship this fictional character in comments and verbally online. It makes you wonder....if any other powers might be able to cross the board of reality and fiction... 😦

[@DominusNox106]

I personally loved Erda. I wish we could have seen more of the mother of the Primarchs. She was very interesting. Keep up the good work, Sandman!!!

[@Oghuzpervert1]

She doomed the galaxy and she's a bad character did nlt like her

[@boredbrewer1998]

​@@Oghuzpervert1Shoehorned in and unintentionally responsible for the suffering Angron, Kurze, and in turn Vulcan's went through. That's what I have generally heard even though I have not gotten to that part of the series.

[@Oghuzpervert1]

@boredbrewer1998 yes she's a bad mom because of her actions

[@DarranKern]

I now forgive erebus for everything else he’s done, because Erda

[@dante429]

​@@DarranKernhope she returns so Erebus could take his time skinning her. 💪

[@summer7603]

She went cookoo and fell to chaos and yeeted the primarchs across the galaxy. The End.

[@philiphockenbury6563]

I think Erda was in at least some ways in love with The Emperor/Neoth. She was basically in a relationship with one of the most toxic men ever. She was wrapped up in this emotional mess of a relationship that she eventually ended and fell out of. In an aggressive manner. That there was love. An intoxicating experience. That was toxic and she finally realized that no matter how good his intentions, and how charming he was. The Emperor is/was a terrible person. And he had to be stopped. Or at least slowed down.

[@ImRuined666]

I can fully appreciate Erda's position, and how she'd go from willingly aiding The Emperor, to betraying him... She was on board with the goal of building the Imperium at first, until she realised it would involve the annihilation of already existing successful Human civilisations, for no other crime than refusing to bend the knee to the Emperor, since almost any Human civilisation, regardless of how ideologically divergent (such as Mars itself, for example), or even greatly geneticly divergent (Squats, Ogryns and Ratmen, amongst others) from the nascent Imperium was otherwise accepted, as long as they agree to submit almost on first contact... As much as the Emperor might have seen Humanity teetering on a precipice, requiring his brutally hastened approach to reuniting Humanity in The Emperor's mind, Erda obviously could not stand by and be part to what she likely perceived as genocide, regardless how pressingly necessary The Emperor might have believed...

[@flyinggecko6617]

i can completely empathize with Erda's choice, but a lot of ppl are quick to dismiss her as the root cause of the heresy as if she deliberately chose to send the primarchs to their specific planets, if u go by that same logic then the emperor was also the shittest dad in existence and whose ignorance and disregard for his sons caused them to fall to chaos, yet they seem to jump very quick to defend him despite his clearly moronic approach to interacting with them.

[@asdion]

@@flyinggecko6617 Unlike Erda the Emperor not only suffered for his mistakes he sacrificed himself to alleviate them for the Empire allthewhile Erda was a useless waste of space as what she purportedly didn't want to happen occurred specifically as a consequence of her actions.

[@Subject_Keter]

I like how the op forgets that the Choas Gods would gladly eat everyone. She is a warp tainted creature and deserves to he treated like one.

[@jacksonflintstone444]

The question in the title is heresy... ....... ...

[@SeanHenderson]

The road to the pantheon is paved in good intentions! I think Erda did much more hatm than good! Both to her sons and towards the imperium! #Erda #ModernWomen

[@icdansheep1873]

Erda scattered the Primarchs to try and save them... If she hadn't they might've grown up together as brothers and family? Tbh I preferred the older lore over Erda being the (surrogate) mother, though I do like that we're getting confirmation that Emps did grow to love the Primarchs.

[@brendancoulter5761]

Lets be honest here, the Emperor was a terrible father and a mass murdering monster. Hes just hyper competent. The idea that everything would have been fine if he had his way is silly. He staffed one of the legions with criminals and murderers and when he found his son he made them the official war crimes division, in other words he always planned on having a war crimes division, and always planned on having Conrad Curs in charge of it. He was always going to be a terrible father. He was a tyrannical, abusive, manipulative man who used everything and everyone around him as a tool to achieve his goal. Frankly even if he loved the Primarchs, he was still a terrible father

[@icdansheep1873]

Yes, I know. @@brendancoulter5761

[@DarkThagan]

​@@brendancoulter5761He had to. When ever marines had different mentality than their primarchs it was pretty bad. If E made peacemakers Conrad would mess them up worse than what Angron did to his boys.

[@brendancoulter5761]

@@DarkThagan Why did he have to have a war crimes division in the first place?

[@ZeroNumerous]

Because he didn't. The Night Lords were not staffed with criminals and murderers intentionally. The Terran Night's Children--the original Night Lords--were the sons and daughters of massive prison complexes. They were innocent children raised up to Space Marines, not an intentional war crimes division. The Night's Children were deployed against people who broke covenant with the Emperor, whether by flouting the Emperor's laws or continuing evil actions despite him telling them to stop, and used morale-breaking strategies. But they were made a war crimes division by Konrad. Because Konrad was insane. We see in A Lesson in Darkness that the Terran-born Night Lords are brutal, but not insane war criminals. They shattered the enemy morale, but did not hunt them down and murder them after they ran. That was a Konrad addition. Konrad opened up the prisons and lunatic asylums of Nostromo as recruitment options. The Night's Children were combat troops, not terror units, who defeated enemy formations but didn't terrorize enemy civilians. Turns out, some Legions--lookin' at you, Warhounds--are actively made worse by the addition of their primarch.

[@StoickTheTired]

Guys, 'Neoth' The One. Also own as Neo. These ancient nerds, I swear

[@Retrofun69]

Wait wait wait... so the whole problem with the primarchs and the reason the ended in all those terrible planets was because of a woman? I am sad but not surprised. At all.

[@runcmd1419]

Turning humanity into perpetuals sounds a lot like pre-fall Aeldari.

[@gargomaxthalus4195]

They were more like the shamans, being immortal through reincarnation rather than timelessness

[@Peter-by3ox]

Big E - Yeah my personality changed radically when I grew that Chaplin tash back in the 1930s

[@sapphon]

Great video!

[@baddabeer4862]

Thanks! Great information as I work! Love 40k, but the time and money needed have slowed me down. Great way to scratch the itch!

[@7F0X7]

Foresight of the 'Nids *ALONE,* setting aside the Orks, enslavers, Druchari, and all the other myriad of alien threats, *more* than justified the creation of the Imperium. If the Emperor foresaw even a sliver of the scale of that threat coming from outside the galaxy then he would have been pure evil *NOT* to go through with the great crusade. For his own sake, I have to assume he foresaw them even if he had no idea what they would actually be like when they got here.

[@pstcKC]

And people forget that base line humans including psykers in 40k had to have far superior genetics then people currently (their eyeballs apparently are immune from the radiation coming from suns and stars while just flying around before warp jumps nevermind planetary differences)

[@SN00PICUS]

I always thought Erda's mistake with scattering the Primarchs was a wink and a nod to Adam & Eve or the suseptibility of women to chaos/evil. Men's (the Emperor's) weakness is to go too far in pursuit of their objectives/power and of course to follow the ladies straight into Hades.Just to be fair. 😂

[@Mitch93]

Very true, her act is a very feminine thing to do.

[@bigfeesh515]

That's some Curze level reasoning for tossing your sons into hell and across the galaxy to "save them". Unlike Curze however, Erda's actions doomed the galaxy to endless war and many of her sons dying unnecessarily.

[@dogofthehand]

Everyone is gangsta until THE HOLY EMPEROR WALKS IN

[@NiskRanThawll]

the thing to remember wih the anathame is that the stolen Kinnebrach sword (damn Erebus) of which it is made, tailors its warp power to kill with a true name. you require the true name to kill with it, even to cause the festering wounds of nurgle that temba did on Horus (he wasn't suppose to kill him so the sword didn't kill him). so in order to kill a perpetual with it you require their true name. the fulgurite which brought Vulcan back didn't kill him, it took Johns perpetual nature to resurrect the ruined body and mind of Vulcan... which then needed the faith of Artellus Numeon to bring him back fully. I still think a shard of an anathame is what is at the tip of Fabius' rod of torment as it is said to be capable of excruciating pain or death at a whispered command.

[@michaelhrosar7814]

i would love to see her return. there is so much she could do in the plotline.

[@mattmark94]

nope, keep her dead. She is an awful character.

[@funbro99]

TLDR: no Short answer: she tossed her own kids into the *warp* like a karen taking the kids, she condemned angron, curze, mortarion, lorgar ect ect to be shaped into monsters or easier to fall and become monsters. Personal opinion: Writers and their pseudo loreshifting aside. The ruination of the emperor as all his achivements gets undone/delegated to others, the personality shifting between a flawed father to a cruelidiot depending on book and what primarch hes talking to. The Emperor is on-par with scizo perty imo.

[@Technoanima]

Yep. They’re all his kids alright. On the spectrum. 😂

[@kennethking2786]

I like to think of the emperors future vision like a dubbel edged sword he can look into the future and see possibilities but the more he tries to see the more certain the future becomes to the point he can't change it so he tries to see just enough so he knows there's danger but not so much he can't change it kinda like Schrodingers cat the cat's both alive and dead until it's observed then the future is fixed

[@seanbrazell7095]

I think the way the emperor spoke to Guilliman reborn in the throne room was because each seperate shard of his consciousness spoke separately simultaniously. Also, the fact that he called Guilliman his last son/ tool/thing means that he ISN'T the one helping the Lion. That can only mean the emperor's last shard HAS to be the one responsible. That means it's on the other side of the rust and not in contact with the rest of himself on terra. So when Guilliman meets the Lion, the Shard will also meet the rest of himself, making that reunion infinitely more amazing!

[@HXGJ2]

I love how they added seeds to show how the emperors ambition was dangerous.

[@vladline1882]

Imagine Erda Reincarnation that remembered her past from her young new body.

[@TheLilKarma]

She doomed them all

[@Technoanima]

7 of 20 wasn’t that bad. 😂

[@danguinius3654]

Erda is one of the worst characters to be introduced to the setting. She serves no other purpose than to reduce the image/status of the Emperor, while whining that she was right and he was wrong. Even after she sees the Heresy, she still insists that it was HIS fault for being to ambitious, right after admitting that she willingly threw the primarchs into the warp because she had a hissy fit. All of this while knowing the dangers of the warp too, by the way. Her death was the only time I ever cheered for Erebus. I'll leave it at that.

[@Technoanima]

Typical woman behavior. No accountability 😂

[@jonathanwynes2542]

Everyone is blaming her for the demons, but there’s no reason to think that a heresy wouldn’t have happened regardless of her involvement. The emperor intended to send the Primarchs out to war amongst the stars and to do essentially horrific things to non-compliant humans and peaceful aliens. The chance for the primarchs to become corrupted is still completely possible. Maybe different primarchs and for different reasons, but it seems very possible. Also, based on the passage you read she says “he was always right” in the same line of him being arrogant. That doesn’t mean he’s always right more than his attitude of always being “right”. He also admits that there is another who can see the future better than him, implying he could be wrong about something. Also, you can be “right” about something and achieves your goals, but that doesn’t mean it was the only way to achieve them. I could kill someone and take their keys to stop them from getting in a car accident that kills others or I could just detain that person and get them the help they need. Either way, you could look back at your actions and say I did the “right” thing because I was successful in my outcome while discounting the possibility of other paths to that outcome. I think morally she’s in the right regardless of if it led to a bad outcome. There‘a no way to know the outcome if she hadn’t done what she did, but the ends should not justify the means. Also I could see the emperor going even harder if he had the primarchs and begun culling huge swaths of humanity ones he was done with the alien threat because they weren’t pure or proper to his liking. Maybe it could have been a lot worse.

[@mohdshahariar5833]

My headcanon (copium) would be Erda extremely pissed things went wrong, and feeling quick guilt if any of her sons are left to horrible fates

[@Lightblessins]

Erda goes off and finds the 2 missing primarchs

[@Kowala411]

Maybe the Emperor just didn’t think he could kill Erda. Curze couldn’t find a way to kill Vulcan , maybe the Emperor knew trying to kill a perpetual was futile.

[@jackthatmonkey8994]

Sorry but how would Erda's warp scatter help with ANYTHING? "I love my sons a lot and really regret who I chose as their father. Let me throw them in HELL. Can't go wrong. What do you MEAN I can influence my sons upbringing if I stick with the emperor? Pffft. Chuck em in hell it is

[@jackthatmonkey8994]

How can you be a perpetual and have a lifespan complimenting such a monicker and make decisions like that? Some means of abducting them physically sounds more plausible than this

[@daothucanh9621]

To be fair, didn't Big E tell her that she would have no part in raising their sons?

[@JesseNowak]

So did the emperor plan to start the crusade while the primarchs were children? I know he was in an immense rush so waiting around on terra while they grew up doesn’t sound like his style

[@astrovarius543]

Isn't the implication that he rushed into the Great Crusade because he lost his children? I think he would have proceeded with the Great Crusade while the baby primarchs were growing up, raising them up directly into the Crusade and their roles as leaders of a Legion each. The Primarchs do not take long to mature and begin excelling.

[@John-kc4cg]

I think that the primarchs aged very rapidly. When Konrad was only about a year old he was at about teenage maturity.

[@toddolson4614]

Same for Perty. Talked about him growing very quickly

[@someguy4405]

He knew the Primarchs would be scattered before it happened. That's why they're all so suited to the worlds they ended up on.

[@ZeroNumerous]

@@someguy4405 If that's the case, then why did the Emperor rush to try and save Angron from the Nails? If he had known what world they would have ended up on, then he would have been able to prepare a way to remove the Nails before hand. Or build Angron to have a redundant brain so he could just rip the things out. The primarchs are suited to the world they ended up on because Chaos chose those worlds to make them susceptible to corruption.

[@mmmproductions1247]

Erda had known The Emperor for how long? What did she expect when he wanted to make 10ft tall superhuman sons? XD

[@AveSicarius]

Honestly I quite like the idea that the Emperor is in fact a DAoT creation designed to protect Humanity, like the Eldar suggest, and that potentially Erda had a hand in His creation (hence why their relationship is so strong). The Emperor is much stronger than the other Perpetuals and also seems to exist by other rules, so perhaps He was the ultimate result of the Men of Gold, and was given both a superhuman body and an immense soul through DAoT technology. It would also explain why the other Perpetuals bar Erda don't know much about Him, why the Emperor is so dedicated to Humanity, and why He was using His own Genome to create the Primarch's, Adeptus Astartes, Grey Knights, and Custodes. It would also explain why the Emperor wasn't noticed very early on by the Aeldari (they'd definitely be able to see Him) or other players and influenced or contacted by them. I like this more than the whole "Shaman Suicide" lore, which is a bit outdated now haha.

[@alexbrowne9566]

The shaman lore is old but it hasn't been retconned and in the heresy novels there's a lot of lore about his life stretching back into neolithic times

[@michaela8676]

I rather dislike the idea of some nobody shoehorned in character becomes the biggest thing and important thing in the lore. There’s a reason she’s quickly becoming more hated than Erebus and Lorgar. Her plotlines are stupid and serve zero purpose, the lore was fine before her introduction all she did was add unnecessary context so she could be a character to begin with. The writers are definitely dropping the ball at the climax with adding her. To me Erda doesn’t exist and is a nobody who didn’t do what she did

[@AveSicarius]

@@alexbrowne9566 It's not exactly mutually exclusive, clearly Perpetuals can be augmented, changed, or created, and Big E is a bit different from the rest (and He apparently wasn't so far above them before Molech in the first place). But it could also just be false/implanted memories. It would be very fitting for 40k if the Saviour of Mankind, who ended up empowering Chaos even further through His creations, was actually a remnant of DAoT civilization and left unchecked simply went on an insane course. The whole theme is that through their own actions each faction who managed to climb their way close to the top destroyed themselves and effectively cursed their descendants to hell. Creating a Superpsyker Artificial Perpetual that believes Himself much older and born to protect Humanity through any means necessary, taking that option by force after the DAoT civilization fell apart, but is actually just another creation of Mankind gone rogue much like the Men of Iron. It'd be thematic to say the least. I mean you'd think otherwise the Aeldari would have known about Him far longer given the Emperor's Presence in the Warp was quite strong even before Molech, and that Necron Technology was apparently on Earth/Mars in the past, something they were keeping very close tabs on, and the Webway connected to both I believe. It's also difficult to tell what is and didn't likely to have happened, because everything is Canon, even conflicting lore, it's just that not everything is true.

[@alexbrowne9566]

@@AveSicarius according to something I read at some point during the Daot the emperor kind of laid low because the human powers of the time would have had no problem destroying him/taking him into custody The thing about daot creations is they were all technology based. They didn't really do genecrafting at the time and the modern imperium is actually far more advanced at genecraft than Daot, let alone soul forging, which was only achieved by the emperor after what he gained on molech, so creation of a being such as the emperor wasn't really within the sphere of the time In terms of detecting the emperor sometimes these things just boil down to canon conflict 😄 I mean before the age of strife the eldar were supposedly at the height of their power but also at this time so we're humanity, canon conflicts I like your workable theory but I do actually like the canon origin of the emperor and I ultimately don't see what retconning him to be a Daot creation would achieve

[@Technoanima]

Wow. The Emperor going full Akira 😮 suspending the Primarch Project foundations by his will alone. So cool.

[@reidboggs4344]

Awaiting age of Terra books now.

[@karituominen5112]

The thought that I've had is that maybe it wasn't the chaos gods that created that warp vortex, bur Erda? The chaos gods never took credit for that hit and who knows, mabe Efda was strong enough to create that vortex.

[@TheSpicyLeg]

The problems with Erda are many, but the worst are her unexpected, brief, and massive impact on the lore, absurd power scale, and her largest contribution to the lore ends with quite possibly the most idiotic choice imaginable. Erda was wrong about the Emperor; there is no doubt whatsoever. She supposedly didn’t want the Primarchs to be raised by the Emperor, because he would make them into generals for his crusade. So, in the absence of the Emperor, they became… generals just as capable as they would be with the Emperor, but with various mental, physical, and personality problems from living in jacked up situations caused by Erda. Yes, Konrad Kurze benefited greatly from Nostromo and having no guidance. Angron turned out exceedingly well prior to the Emoeror even arriving. It’s just nonsensical. It’s sort of like fearing what my wife would teach my son and deciding to drop him off in the Gaza Strip instead.

[@brendancoulter5761]

I think you are missing the point. Erda tried to change the future, and ended up creating the future she was trying to prevent. Just like the Emperor, who essentially guaranteed humanity was doomed to a long slow painful death by trying to create his utopia. They are tragic self defeating characters. Unless you follow the logic of the Emperor did nothing wrong and it everything was everyone else fault, wich I feel betrays every theme of the setting.

[@DarkThagan]

​@@brendancoulter5761If E acted stupidly, her decisions are plain retarded. There is no way to explain how she thought that trowing baby demigods on random crappy planets is gonna work well or even how's that gonna save them from bad dad E long term.And she was suposed to be smart and powerful.

[@TheSpicyLeg]

@@brendancoulter5761Assuming that the Ruinous Powers were being truthful, there was two outcomes. Emperor kills Horus, humanity experiences a long, slow decline until extinction. Horus kills Emperor, humanity falls to Chaos immediately, but something in Horus causes him to sacrifice humanity to also severely damage the Ruinous Powers.

[@DarranKern]

@@brendancoulter5761no. In fact, all your comments prove you’re projecting your own emotional insistence that the emperor is the worst man ever, and you’re furious that people disagree with you.

[@Thatguy01787]

This is awesome! 😃

[@drgonzo305]

I thought the eldar laughing god was responsible for swapping Jaghatai and Fulgrim. Magnus says “do you want your know which *_archaic_* power switched you”? Urda is old but far from someone Magnus would call “archaic”

[@theemperorofmankind5079]

ok ok - THE REAL REASON I was terrible at putting the toilet seat down - BIG argument, i think i just wee'd on the toilet lid to annoy her ... yeah BIG mistake - sorry shoulda seen this one coming - I go back to my hobby craft room and she's only gone and thrown all my shit out...oops 15 love WIMIN! All hail me All feel sorry for me!

[@billdefranza4927]

7:54 ... Sanguinius, the golden angel; Malcador the sigilite; The God Emperor of Mankind; and a guy named John. 😂

[@alexmacdonald1998]

The Emperor's real name is Conner McCloud! Prove me wrong internet!!!

[@MrDMSir]

No Jimmy Space?

[@esaedvik]

Maybe you mean Connor MacLeod?

[@cgrmspartacusmbeobeiou4313]

Or is it Russel Nash?

[@alexmacdonald1998]

@@esaedvik Damn, u r completely correct. I am torn between editing my comment and hoping no one views yours and comitting seppuku to expunge my dishonor. Please accept both my grattitude and shame of this matter.

[@ironduke5058]

​@@alexmacdonald1998😂😂😂