Roger Gracie on Gordon Ryan

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[@LexClips]

Full podcast episode: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fJnJnnqDa82mras Lex Fridman podcast channel: kzbin.info Guest bio: Roger Gracie is a legendary jiu jitsu competitor and MMA fighter.

[@naataanibiggoose7834]

😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊

[@DondeCake]

This guy makes a lot of sense. His sweater game is legendary.

[@matthewsmith6934]

Mr Roger's Neighborhood

[@borntwice4724]

Agreed, but where can I get one?

[@davidberry80]

Seriously the first thing I though was, ‘I need that sweater.’

[@jasonweber5464]

Y’all some Sweaters

[@luchador1764]

Fedor level sweater game.

[@plcoelho]

What is amazing about RG is his mental fortitude. He never overeacts, overpraises or downplays something. Always controlled, cool calm and colected. And that is exactly the way he fights no matter what happens in the fight. That shows you he is not trying to be like this. He is like this. Special human being for sure.

[@ThievesInTheTreasureRoom]

Defo agree with that statement. Someone made a very similar comment about Jocko Willink on another video I recently watched. Well-balanced and doesn't rattle. It's a temperament which if you are not born with you have to work very hard to maintain.

[@habahakimov2586]

Philipe Pena best

[@timothyleepeterson]

At the mundiais, I would regularly find Roger sleeping under the bleachers up until they started calling for him to go to the bullpen :]😂❤

[@morijin9552]

The way you people idolize these athletes are ridiculous

[@albertawheat6832]

@@morijin9552 Go to the UFC comment section...It's way worse than this.

[@neurotrainingforoptimalwel5957]

Roger Gracie.... No words.. Just an amazing human being

[@ryu-ken]

No homo?

[@ComputerProMedia]

Lex has the legend on this time! I"m glad Lex is into BJJ to can keep interviewing major players.

[@fonsavan]

he's a blackbelt in bjj

[@dailydissent6076]

yes! Thought Joe Rogan would be the only major host into BJJ but we got lucky ar

[@mits1984]

Would love him to get the mendes bros on

[@cantonese8085]

He’s a Jedi 😂

[@tanksherman9875]

I spared with Roger once. He grabbed my lapel from his open guard and it felt like The Terminator grabbed it. Subbed in 45 sec.

[@TaskerFilms]

Damn, you lasted pretty long

[@tanksherman9875]

@@TaskerFilms That’s what she said

[@TaskerFilms]

@@tanksherman9875 Fuckkkkkkkk !!!!!

[@timothyleepeterson]

Saw him at a tournament straight tear someone’s lapel from their jacket at the start of the match. Was a totally fresh gi 😂❤

[@dacamichal3819]

@@timothyleepeterson Roger Gracie VS Robert Drysdale / World Championship 2007 Final

[@nunya5027]

That was the best explanation for why leg attacks were looked down on .

[@bjjbrawler1]

Roger's top mount, and more specifically, his lapel choke, is nothing short of legendary. Everyone knows what's coming, everyone knows the defense.... but u can't do anything.

[@humann5682]

His elbow control from Mount is imperious. Most of those escapes won't do shit if you cannot move you elbows the way you want.

[@HurinSonOfGaldor]

Yep. He won everithing with the basic stuff

[@jordanjackson5630]

New to BJJ, can you explain how even with knowing whats coming& how to defend it, he still can use his moves effectively?

[@HurinSonOfGaldor]

@@jordanjackson5630 he says it in the interview (maybe not literal, don't remember): details, training, and timing

[@brownjatt21]

@@jordanjackson5630 in basketball terms, say the guy you're guarding said I'm gonna drive left. You know how to defend and prepare for it but he still scores on you going to his left. Not sure if you know about basketball, I'm just winging it hoping you do lol.

[@viktorg8346]

You can think of many different criteria and in many of them Gordon would be branded as the best but in my opinion it's Marcelo Garcia for two reasons: -Marcelo Garcia basically created modern nogi game. Big part of what Gordon(who is currently the best) uses is some variation of Marcelo's game. -Marcelo was small in size but still managed to compete successfully with much bigger guys. That's the essence of jiujtisu. He even took back of Roger Gracie(although eventually lost)

[@aplus1080]

Marcelo is my goat for sure. Competed a ton against great people at a massive disadvantage. The god damn innovation? He's a wizard.

[@nukenfry]

This is the same argument I always use. Gordon packed on 40 pounds of muscle in 2017 with steroid usage to compete with the biggest guys, Marcelo did it without doing either one of those things. That marks Marcelo Garcia as the GOAT. Maybe Gordon is technically better now, but its your accolades, and how you accomplished them, that marks your reputation. Gordon is undoutably one of the best, but Marcelo accomplished much, if not more, by doing none of what Gordon felt he had to do with his body.

[@odinzraider591]

Who do you think wins, prime MG or GR in an no time limit sub only match?

[@nukenfry]

@@odinzraider591 Is Gordon 230 lbs of steroids in this match?

[@odinzraider591]

@@nukenfry It's current Gordon, yes.

[@MS-uu8xg]

Man you can tell why John learned so much from him. Both are analytical.

[@jimtaggert7268]

Roger is the GOAT , great ambassador of the sport. Very analytical.

[@spfdff]

GOAT of what?! Lol he’s great for sure… but the best of all time?! Bruh u confused 😂

[@randyupladek1855]

@@spfdffyou’re actually the one who’s confused.

[@joshtuk]

@@spfdff at Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. You follow the sport, or?

[@nickschrock6135]

​@@joshtuk Exactly, After Roger submitted Buchecha it removed all doubt.

[@tbone7353]

All the respect in the world to Roger but Gordon would absolutely cut through him like a hot knife through butter

[@Ryanin2D]

Really glad Roger addressed the reality of street fights with leg locks, and the high risk safety aspects of jiu jitsu

[@JohnSmith-tu7ud]

Yes. Including for MMA.. But Lex found it hard to understand

[@juliocollazo1585]

You better hope that leg lock works..... getting your face stomped on pavement ugh, no bueno

[@timothycarey3883]

@@JohnSmith-tu7ud lex understood that 99.9 % will never be in a street fight and a trained bjj guy will not go for feet in the street. People always assume this. Dean lister or other leg lock guys first instinct in a street fight wont be to go for a heel hook.

[@JohnSmith-tu7ud]

@@timothycarey3883 I dont think he did understand. Listen to it again where he argues for foot locks

[@lhh6627]

@@JohnSmith-tu7ud it's not that lex doesn't understand. It's that neither Roger nor you really understand what the modern leg lock game is or how it works, whereas Lex does.

[@liamfoo09]

he makes a very good point on the leg locks in a real fight simulation

[@lhh6627]

No, not really at all. Modern leg locks done correctly do not allow the opponent to reach your head or hit you in any fashion.

[@mattshort4001]

@@lhh6627 You clearly didn't listen very closely. He said in the process of attacking the foot you leave yourself vulnerable, not while you already have control of the leg. The most dominant position in a fight is mount, not going between someone's legs trying to attack their foot.

[@lhh6627]

@mattshort4001 the most dominant position is definitely back control. Literally nobody is diving on a foot randomly, they are playing inside sankaku or some version of ashi and you can't actually get hit out of either of those.

[@felix-bk7ne]

@@lhh6627 Go watch Gary Tonin, one of the highest level leg lockers in the world get KOed by someone most people have never heard of, whilst going for the legs.

[@lhh6627]

@user-vc8oz5bo2t Garry has a high risk style, didn't set the leg entry up whatsoever and didn't abandon the entanglement when it was clear it wasn't going to work. Should we go over everytime someone lost position and got smashed trying for armbars, RNCs or guillotines?

[@guilhermecotliarenko8956]

Roger is a beast and his legacy will be remembered forever 🙌🏽🤙🏽

[@Guywithair2]

My weakness for the longest time was half guard bottom. (I'm a blue belt). I invested heavily in this position once I identified it. Now because I worked it so much, I have a strong guard. I have some solid sweeps from half guard and even submissions. I am basically comfortable any position now.

[@spfdff]

Hopefully you learned to get off your side and get back to butterfly 🦋

[@Guywithair2]

@@spfdff i developed a nice knee shield with butterfly hook. Works good against everyone but blackbelts lol

[@tobidanzoalapa7876]

Nice interview i love it

[@egjundis]

Solid points: I love when Roger Gracie counterpoints with, "but then there's no good position... every position there's a risk". But the point is we should aim for dominance and there are better positions. I think John Danaher, really helped the entire fight community understand, that all of it: the wrestling, the throwing game, the foot submission game can be broken down scientifically. @Lex Clips thank you for another great podcast!

[@deelaneenn6677]

why did i watch this clip before bed. now im wide awake and in need of the full video lol. great content

[@coltizz]

It’s a interesting when they about foot-locks and I agree that in a MMA fight it’s really unsafe. But if you can use the leg lock to get the back fast it can be very optimal in MMA.

[@LionAndALamb]

This is the best explanation I've ever heard as to why the foot lock and leg lock game was underdeveloped prior to the popular rise of no gi grappling.

[@spfdff]

Leg attacks have proven successful in the world of MMA. 🤷‍♂️ just sayin

[@carguy2256]

Even Gary Tonan a master of leg attacks was knocked tf out going for a heel hook in mma so I would say Roger is correct

[@billcipher3946]

@@spfdff still for mma it’s too risky

[@Stephen981cs]

@@spfdff even in MMA that’s still a situation where someone can’t soccer kick your head or foot stomp your head. Even GT who is well versed in leg locks still got his lights put out. Roger didn’t say that it doesn’t work. He just said it’s riskier than the traditional pin positions.

[@b3ntl3y]

@@spfdff no they haven’t. Lol they’re an option but they’re never the primary focus unless it’s a huge skill mismatch.

[@crazydaisytales]

What a great video! Very classy and fun to listen to!! +1 sub!!

[@oscsantiago]

The body lock pass is ok 😂 love it

[@lobsterairsoft499]

Is okay

[@crazyratpors]

Bro asked a gracie do you know about the body lock pass

[@balipan09]

Love his take on the foot lock! And his sweater 🤘😎🤘

[@dontmakeplans2080]

Dropping Knowledge! Respect to the Gracie family 🙏

[@MrRonin1234]

It would be even better if be didn't use His Mother's name and instead used he's father last name. No shade here. I'm just saying Imagine had he created a New legendary last name had used his father last name instead. But I dont know the inner details of why exactly he choose to go with "Gracie" last name instead of his own.

[@estevesporai2758]

@@MrRonin1234 Hey, Buddy! How are you? In brazil this is very common, I use my mothers name instead of my Fathers name as well, usually people choose to use which family they're closer as they grow up, we don't have strict rules about using father last names here so we just do it by ourselves.

[@mixxeerr]

I just finished the entire 3 hour podcast... what a freakin legend.

[@dondrap513]

Even in modern mma the foot attack is somewhat protected because of the rules. With stomps and kicks, etc to a "downed" opponent being illegal, a lot of counter weapons are taken away. I'd like to see the modern leg attack game in a Pride type rule set.

[@parsifal40]

How are the rules in ONE FC? Ruleset seems to be somewhat different

[@LucasFerreira-zr3yk]

@@parsifal40 Pretty sure stomps to the head and soccer kicks are still banned, the knee to ''downed'' opponent's head, on the other hand, is legal. Mighty Mouse got ko'ed and, coincidently, ko'ed in the rematch with a knee to an adversary who had feet and hands on the mat

[@ShadeNinja2990]

His skill cannot be overstated

[@corymiller9854]

Good stuff. Understanding reactions from your self mostly will get you strong at everything even grappling:]

[@THEANPHROPY]

Thank you for the upload Brother! So ... Roger likes The Mount!!!! :::)) Peace & Love!

[@slaine88]

Roger is the greatest of all time. Always full of wisdom.

[@YoungBoyArchivesBackup]

Rickson*

[@slaine88]

@@YoungBoyArchivesBackup That is a good point Rickson is definitely in the running. I am bias since Roger gave me my black belt and I have rolled with many distinguished jiu-jitsu practitioners, but Roger felt like the eye above the pyramid

[@dnpixels]

@@YoungBoyArchivesBackup To small for someone like gordan.

[@pedrodutra4088]

@@dnpixels gordon could be twice bigger, in a gi match rickson would submit him under 5 minutes

[@dnpixels]

@@pedrodutra4088 boy get off your hands and knees, clean ur mouth too.

[@ryanmichael7795]

Lex trying to explain the bodylock to roger is like trying to explain creation to god 😂😂

[@ajgrant94]

WTF is god? Which "god?" Oh, you meant God.

[@ryanmichael7795]

@@ajgrant94 that capital letter must mean so much to you 😂😂

[@Autonomous_Don]

@@ryanmichael7795 They actually mean different things. Humans are called gods in the Bible. Not God’s And if you know anything about exegeting scriptures they literally translate to different words

[@WadeMD]

Why is what I’m hearing seem so revolutionary? Dang good analysis from Roger

[@stefanoviviani6064]

A fantasy: Gordon Ryan vs Roger Gracie in his prime. That would be the biggest bjj match in history

[@iamthelizardking6239]

I think Gordon would probably take it remember roger got out grappled in mma by Tim Kennedy(Kennedy is a bad mofo in his own right) no gi I think Gordon would beat him pretty handily but in the gi roger murders him.

[@randomuser6306]

Gordon overpowers imho

[@zaziz8]

Gordon would destroy him. Different times can’t compare

[@chriswhiteside6879]

@@zaziz8 with a Gi ?Ryan needs to win in the Gi format to solidify his game.

[@viktorg8346]

@@zaziz8 I think we should also put aside "anachronism" of such comparision so whatever knowledge would be accessible to Gordon would be also to Roger.

[@jonlong5541]

That is one of the best explanation about foot locks

[@lightning7582]

Roger Gomes is a GOAT for sure! I believe combat jiu jitsu will be the next wave! It will bring jiu jitsu back to its roots of self defense. Rickson Gracie said when he trained he always thought about how to avoid getting hit.

[@justafloridamanfromthe75thRR]

who the fuck is roger gomez??

[@lightning7582]

@@justafloridamanfromthe75thRR Roger's dad is a Gomes and his mom is a Gracie. He later changed it to Gracie I'm assuming for the lineage that comes with it.

[@crazyangus862]

@@lightning7582 His mother is a Gracie.

[@lightning7582]

@@crazyangus862 then his Father's last name is Gomes and he changed his name later. I do remember that much.

[@paralleluniverse99]

@@lightning7582 And???

[@ToiletDestroyerr]

Gots to cop me one of those sweaters now big dawg 🧐

[@Zilperi]

Legend, respect.

[@robotoa]

What about PED use in BJJ ? I' m asking the question .

[@ig2d]

This is pure gold

[@fernandogaribay2446]

I actually largely agree with his take on why leg locks were frowned upon. I even knew when trying to pull them in training that they really only are safe to try when practicing Jiu Jitsu. Wouldn’t want to risk getting hit in MMA by going for an ankle

[@badxradxandy]

Lesnar vs Mir

[@difficult_aardvark]

You might want to catch up on the last couple decades of the UFC then.

[@lorikislack1504]

I agree, I blew my knee to a heel hook. It hurt and I tapped bc it was just training and I'm not a professional...but it did NOT hurt enough to where it would have stopped me in a real fight. There are very few nerve endings inside your knee compared to elbow or even outside of the knee...that's why when you see a guy get his knee popped in competition, he can still walk to the ref for the decision. Currently Nicky Ryan is contemplating not even getting his knees fixed bc there are others grappling with no ACL.

[@MrRonin1234]

@@difficult_aardvark IF ur interested in Reality U might want to actually see PrideFC and u will quickly see why Roger mentioned its NOT the best option to use in a real world situation. U go for someone's legs and they begun to STUMP on ur head it quickly turns into a life altering situation. UFC doesn't allow for real world rules. ;-)

[@ryanagar7498]

Ryan hall and Gary tonon both got knocked out going for foot locks

[@tonyattardo9350]

Super interesting. My trainer told class point blank that if you focus on the new age leg lock game you could get a black belt in 3-4 years if you’re good. He also said it wasn’t particularly useful in street fights because someone could just kick you in the face. That made sense and my game is very meat and potatoes, try to get side and attack with my arsenal from there. That being said my favorite rolling buddy went deep into the leg lock game and was tapping out black belts consistently (we were both blues). But then you look at super high level guys just Imanari rolling other black belts in mma and getting the quick tap. Ryan Hall never beats BJ Penn in a boxing match 🤔

[@pixelcultmedia4252]

You only get kicked in the face if you attack the bottom side leg and leave the top leg free to kick.

[@joehiggs4349]

Roger, Saulo, Xande, and Royler were the top tier guys with the best styles to translate to self-defense.

[@humann5682]

I get why people say that but when you look at how they moved over to MMA only Roger had some success and even at that he still had a couple of bad losses. I think there are better BJJ exponents in MMA who don't necessarily have the BJJ credentials of those guys.

[@IpponQing]

@@humann5682MMA isn’t self defense.

[@Xceloverdose]

I didn't know Dexter was a BJJ expert! 😄

[@az8039]

He’s a black belt

[@defygravity9211]

“Dominate you then the submission comes.”That’s Roger summed up in one sentence.

[@dmustakasjr]

Accent or no, I could listen to Roger for hours. His grasp of BJJ is phenomenal.

[@michaelbanks2401]

Ryan Hall was using that heel hook in the UFC, the last time he tried it it didn't go so well..

[@drewie123]

Great guy

[@jrizzy626]

I’ve never seen Roger in anything other than the gi. That sweater is 🔥

[@mrt445]

6:15 if you're wondering what he's talking about just watch Garry Tonon's last fight.

[@Romstine]

Sometimes I feel like these takes on "dominant position" always comes from tall and massive guys. I mean Roger is freakin' 6'4 and i would bet more than 100kgs. The chance for street fight is low for normal people but for a 6'4 dude it's even lower. Ofc a 6'4 dude would go for dominant position because of his massive frame. He will almost always fight someone either smaller or the same as him (% chance of Roger finding someone taller than him is much lower than me for example at 6' only). What about a 6' dude, around 85kgs trying to fight for "dominant" position against someone like Roger in the streets... idk I don't see that happening somehow.

[@mark4386]

my personal experience suggests otherwise. im 6’3” 215 and people constant start shit with me cause they wanna get into it with the big guy. and even for a guy roger’s size, there’s always a bigger guy. learn your sweeps grasshopper.

[@valitudocanender6879]

Developing the idea that fighting is the beginning of this sport, one should go further and understand that this sport developed through the need to defend against an opponent who had melee weapons, and hence come, for example, various levers on the joints that basically break the opponent's weapons. This sport can be understood only by those who combine the need to dominate an opponent with a weapon, and therefore have to face an opponent with melee weapons.

[@orion_7726]

Roger Gracie is the GOAT of Jiu-jitsu

[@James-yi1vk]

Probably gi jiu jitsu. Not no gi.

[@dtrain5519]

​@@James-yi1vk 100%😉

[@SebastMorillo84]

He tested his jiujitsu in Gi, NoGi, MMA. No doubt, he's the goat

[@orion_7726]

@@SebastMorillo84 yeah.. even Danaher said that

[@James-yi1vk]

@@orion_7726 Danaher said he doesn't believe the GOAT has been born yet. He is clearly the Gi GOAT. Gordon is the no gi GOAT.

[@bw424]

With all the stuff Rickson says you'd think self-defense jiujitsu concepts wouldn't seem so foreign to people. Roger says people used to only think of jiujitsu as self defense and it's like people are only hearing it for the first time.

[@Devin14747]

This makes sense i don't think it would be unfair to say Carlson and Hickson were as dominant bjj so can Gordon do it longer then they did

[@zenberimbau3085]

what I love about this conversation, is that Roger mentions how heel hooks are great for submission grappling, but not that good for mma. I'd even go further to say that a black belt in anything may not be useful on the street, because majority of the time street fights have more than one against one, no warm up and no weight classes or time limits. Street fights also have weapons and other variables in them that you can never replicate in any martial arts environment as much as someone may say theirs is so much more realistic. Our world is far too civilized these days especially in North America that people forget that true self preservation means survival, meaning that the other person either is critically injured or dead.

[@nobody6454]

NoGi is new? What about Luta Livre? Created in 1920, no gi (sometimes with gi pants though) and a big emphasis on leg locks.

[@tijuas0918]

The Brazilian Clark Kent

[@Zach-lv5qs]

I like this analogy lmao

[@orion_7726]

In fact he is the master of Clark Kent LOL Henry Cavill is Roger's student(I don't know if you commented on this because of this curiosity)

[@phuckfumassters]

I knew its the 'methodology of training' that sets Gordan Ryan and John Danahar coaching apart from other high level competitors. And I have an idea 'how they train' that makes him so good.

[@jacobharris954]

Also Eddie bravo

[@scott.moresh7]

Jiu-Jitsu is a sport now, primarily, just like Judo. Very very rarely, do you find a martial arts school teaching Judo or Jiu-Jitsu, in America, that considers itself a martial arts school, primarily. You almost never learn self-defense classes, defense against elbows, kicks, punches, chokes from standing positions, and on and on. Since it's all about winning contests and trophies and such, leg locks and various open guard techniques become quite popular. Many of these techniques would leave someone open to being struck. Who for example would let themselves get thrown or slammed to the ground just to get a guillotine choke? On the concrete or hard floor you could be knocked out of disabled if you got slammed to the ground, but on a mat or UFC ring you might be safe. Who would "jump guard" on a hard ground surface for example.

[@7opher619]

I was jumped by three dudes outside of a bar at my car. I was eventually picked up and slammed on the pavement by one of them. 6'4" and 240 lbs, he thought grabbing me and slamming me, 5'8' and 190 lbs, was a good idea. Due to the way he grabbed me I wrapped my legs around him and pulled a guillotine choke. I ate the pavement, but the only reason that dude is still breathing is because there were two others who started kicking and punching me in the face. The problem with BJJ is if you are ever actually defending yourself there is a very high chance it's against more than one opponent. If you happen to be in a one on one fight defending yourself it's not likely to be against a barefisted opponent. If you truly want to be able to defend yourself buy a gun, get a concealed carry permit, and frequent the range.

[@ChampCampMMA]

Eddie Bravo...Marcelo Garcia...just off the top of my mind..🙂

[@jodylowe8476]

Ryan is surely one of the best ever in no-gi and prob the best now. Guys like Roger competed at the highest level at gi and no-gi. Several others as well. Rafa, xande, rodolfo, etc.

[@jmalen123]

Lex, you looking to outthink Roger on strategy was adorable. I admire you, my brother.

[@xCixada]

Beautiful lex

[@rkumar3000]

Brilliant

[@nickmaranzano]

Lex did you ask him about combat Jiujitsu? I don’t know if leg/foot submission happen as often in that because of what Gordon said. It can go bad

[@jacksmith4460]

07:00 now there is more than one guy and all that just flew out the window

[@hmoobtube]

Armie Hammer’s sweater game is legendary.

[@jthanrubio1126]

You have to agree with Roger on leg locks not truly translating well in a street fight or even in mma.

[@markie5287]

Such a handsome man. Roger is ok too

[@tomanderson6140]

Any competitive art will adapt to the shape of its container such that rules changes create unique evolution. I think it's good and interesting to keep real-fight applicability in mind, and then the fundamental inefficiency in jiu-jitsu training becomes evident, and that is that 80-90% of training becomes passing and maintaining guard, which has the least applicability to self-defense. Open guard is almost entirely worthless in self-defense, and if you are trying to pass someone's guard, you are either the attacker or at a minimum a willing combatant and not merely defending yourself. Imagine how much better jiu-jitsu fighters would be in real fights if more of that 10,000 hours were allocated to standing grappling, takedowns, reversals, and staying off your back. More wrestling and less guard, in other words.

[@dmalinowski15]

His hands look extremely strong and dangerous. The hands of a man with a calm demeanour and an awesome sweater.

[@Sidelinefighter-expert]

Sweater weather, his sweater is 🔥

[@ijustwannaleaveacommentony6511]

marcelo garcia!

[@MrWadewynn]

Most humble Gracie I’ve ever hears speak

[@SuperRiccoSuave]

Jiu jitsu/grappling top or bottom game no matter how good you are isn’t good for street fights with people around because your default putting yourself in a grounded 100% vulnerable position against your opponents friends where they can 1 shot KO/kill soccer kick, stomp or stab you with ease, striking standing up is always best option for street fights unless it’s a guaranteed 1 on 1 scenario where jiu jitsu would be preferred.

[@mikec808]

Rogers right. Who would ever go for the legs in a real street fight. The other guy will have his other leg and both arms and hips still in play. Not a good idea. Sport only.

[@Cpt.Andy2]

I don’t agree. Street fights are chaotic. If you are in a life and death situation and the leg is available to you then you’ll take it. Maybe giving you a chance to run away or put yourself in a more advantageous position.

[@freman75]

If you control both legs, then leg is great.

[@clones365]

@@Cpt.Andy2 Street fights are chaotic...between two untrained people. I bet two bjj people in a street fight wouldn't go to the heel lock when their opponent knows what to do with the other appendages to cause serious damage.

[@artemthetrain14]

A lot of variables here. There are positions where meaningful movement becomes difficult with the leg that isn't under attack, and where the upper body is not a position to generate real power with strikes, or strike you at all. There are also positions where you might take a lot of damage if you don't manage distance properly. But you can find videos of street fights where leg locks were indeed effective. 🤷‍♂️ Should it be your go to? I'd say no.

[@HanoiHustler]

The man has spoken.

[@RadicalTrivia]

Our gym is jiujitsu, but all our black belts began as wrestlers, so I've been trying to "jiujitsu" the stand-up and mid-range game. I love that you guys are discussing this. also I hate leg leeches for all the reasons Roger gave, so I think if leglocks are allowed, strikes should also be allowed.

[@robbie31580]

Strange logic for me. Playing guard (especially bottom half guard) also gets you destroyed in MMA but it's a backbone of jiujitsu

[@samuelbarbosa1170]

@@robbie31580 which tells you jui jitsu is going the way of taekwondo if we’re not careful

[@randomuser6306]

​@@samuelbarbosa1170 adcc ruleset exists for exactly this reason. Guard pulling = -1 point

[@samuelbarbosa1170]

@@randomuser6306 a better ruleset exist for exactly this reason. Cjj=the future

[@paralleluniverse99]

@@samuelbarbosa1170 lmao

[@ElevatorCreator]

Back control is hella safe with hooks once on the ground.

[@MozartificeR]

The Gracies vs Gordon Ryan? who wins? Is technique or strength more important?

[@johnnyjung2054]

At first I didn’t notice that sweater now I cannot focus on the conversation… I need this fking sweater

[@buddhism6840]

The goat 🐐

[@lucasbarum1628]

Dang took a while for him to understand that footlock makes the attacker vulnerable, everyone know that(that trains grappling)

[@ivoarsov1801]

It's an interesting explanation on foot locks but what's got me thinking is that, were it that foot locks were given their due and thoroughly developed, then perhaps there would be ways to offset some or most of the danger that comes with having that sort of approach, thereby rendering foot locks highly effective in real world combat scenarios.

[@phuckfumassters]

Adding punches will change a lot of sport aspect of jiu jitsu. Tonon got KO while attempting a heel hook. The punch got to him first before he was successful with the heel hook. I knew what Roger was saying about the risk. Against someone untrained in a real fight you can definitely get their legs, but someone strong bigger and experienced, even untrained its a big risk.

[@ivoarsov1801]

@@phuckfumassters Yea fair enough, I see what you mean, but isn't it the case that leg lockers focus on execution in the absence of fear of punches, in the vast majority of cases? If leg locking was developed exclusively while accounting for punches, then perhaps it would become a more high probability move in real life situations

[@phuckfumassters]

@@ivoarsov1801 Nope. Most classes is sport and they don't train for 'punches'

[@ivoarsov1801]

@@phuckfumassters indeed most is sport, but what exactly does that solve? It doesn't solve the question of whether leg locking would be an effective real life combat strategy now does it. I appreciate how you're annoyed by adding quotations to punches though.

[@phuckfumassters]

@@ivoarsov1801 annoyed? Not really. The quotation is more for emphasis. I'm confused by your text. Are you for leglocks or against? For me in a self defense situation I'm not going to do any complicated leglocks if I can do something more efficient. But for nogi grappling train leglocks as much as you want I guess.

[@ZaneBezesky]

The guard is just as vulnerable as foot lock positions. Seen so many knocked out pulling people in the guard. Gordon retires tomorrow, he’s the NOGI goat.

[@ronxxf]

1995 The North American Grappling Association (NAGA) was founded I still own the VHS tape of THE CONTENDERS PPV In 1997 1998 both the ADCC and Grapplers Quest was founded In 2003 Royler Gracie released BJJ Submission Grappling Techniques How do we talked about leg attacks and not mention Catch or Sambo (Which was influenced by Catch)? Speaking of Catch, Erik Paulson used leg attacks in a street fight. Please interview him.

[@victorbraga4982]

Do you know luta livre esportiva? It's a Brazilian martial art that makes extensive use of foot and leg locks.Unfortunately, here in Brazil, it is little known outside of Rio de Janeiro and Manaus.

[@ronxxf]

@@victorbraga4982 "Euclydes "Tatu" Hatem was a Brazilian Catch wrestler, known for being the founder of the martial art of Luta Livre." wiki I remember in the 90's - Marco footstomping machine Ruas, Eugenio Tadeu and Hugo Duarte. Was Pedro Rizzo considered luta livre?

[@victorbraga4982]

@@ronxxf Pedro Rizzo is black belt in luta livre.Roberto Leitão trained him.

[@Zach-lv5qs]

I don't absolutely agree or disagree with his claim that "no gi" is "new." I get what he's saying, but just for a really basic example, a legendary opponent of Roger himself (Xande Ribeiro) was known to have a game that translated whether in or out of the gi. He was a phenomenal no gi grappler. There is zero doubt in mind - or likely anyone's mind for that matter - that Roger would excel in no gi had it been more popular during his competitive run. It's fair to simply say it is more popular now than ever before, and that is largely in part to the explosion of MMA. The McGregor era itself had to have nearly doubled the eyes on the sport.

[@keithgreer462]

Just because Xander was good at no gi has nothing to do what Roger said. It's still new.

[@ashleygarvin7177]

Pretty sure Roger explianed his premise for this conclusion ... i..e there were no viable competitions to bring out the development now. Secondly, anyone that has been training for a decade plus will tell you that NoGi is just something a BJJ school did a couple of times a week for fun. The acceleration of UFC plus competitive nogi is why the sport has changed so much. Prior to this the only Nogi specialists were people fighting MMA (in my opinion) and they were generally not special, but insead focused exclusively on Nogi.

[@imakimmy2]

Rickson is considered the greatest BJJ practitioner of all time, Roger won 10 IBJJF world championship every year from 2004-2010. Roger is the greatest men's BJJ fighter of all time.

[@Carmine_Lupertazzi]

Legend

[@Ecko92]

wow thats fuckin teacher right there! id listen to this dude if he waas coach step by step

[@Campos_bb47]

"Exactly Porra, off course"

[@AbcDino843]

Well, I would be willing to bet money that far more people have been knocked out in a closed guard position than in an attempted heel hook, yet it's like half of jiu jitsu.

[@ericbell6405]

Roger is the man

[@ChrisPyle]

Lex rolled with GSP and it was fantastic to watch. I just wish he rolled with RG.

[@richardspinelli1433]

I'm not proud but I was in prison and a guy hit me from behind knocked me down..off my back I grabbed both his legs by the heel and my feet were Inside de la riva and I sweep him . Immediately I figure 4 his knee with my legs and fell back for an Achilles lock...He was done he didn't know what was going on..And I was cranking to the sky and heard all types of good things popping..when finally the guards convinced me to let go..or I was catching a metal club to the back of my head..the guy passed out from pain..so leg locks do work in the streets trust me..I'm from north Jersey..And Harlem NYC..

[@Giitzerland]

It's a lot easier to see what's actually happening in "no gi", but it certainly changes the game.

[@josemartin1727]

The real 🐐

[@Elder88]

"We're farting, I have to dominate you"

[@toomeyeh1]

On one hand he sounds like the old guard, uncomfortable with his version of BJJ being replaced by the new wave, but a fight is about dominance. If I'm fighting for my life (the only reason I would fight outside of the gym) I am going for mount to finish the fight. Breaking their foot *may* dissuade them, but if they're making you fight for your life, they may very well sacrifice a limb to stick you

[@phuckfumassters]

The old guard with self defense in mind is more concerned with the *changes* passing the 'street applicable test'. Can you still defend yourself if it involved punches and kicks?

[@Stephen981cs]

In a real fight of COURSE the mount, side control, or back control is more dominant than foot entanglements. Roger is probably thinking, wtf are we talking about here? We just saw Gary Tonon get mirked going for a heel hook. If they allowed soccer kicks and head stomps like a real world situation, it’s be an even higher risk. Dropping down punches or elbows from mount or side control is great position for a real fight.