Rogue Advanced PvP Talent Breakdown | Classic Wow

In this video, I go over how to customize your pvp build to fit the pvp content you are doing.
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[@autruchedutreize7118]

Hey ! first thank for all of your vids wich are great content for rogue players. Just wanted to say to fellow rogues that even if it's not as a big damage dealer than other specs, combat mace in classic is very fun to play and should not be overlooked, it is viable even with low gear (though you will lack of dps), becomes very serious when you have the right equipment. Cheers

[@jcal073]

Fantastic video man thank you for the time you took to make this

[@IWillSexU]

You missed the cold blood dagger spec which is the best to burst down a target as long as you spam renataki+thistle tea. The only downside is you are only having 1/2 dirty deeds

[@JConboy87]

We need some seal fate builds soon

[@hoffyc.h393]

The Best Talent spec out there now is Pshero's Dagger PVP spec and it's even sick good in PVE if you can get 5%+ hit chance, And you even showed it here in this video :D

[@ballingaming1325]

nah watching his stream 90% of the i tell myself. i wish he had imp sprint cuz he gets kited WAYYYY TO EASY

[@Soliel75]

He does ? He rarely gets kited if at all let alone “easily” Not sure what pshero stream you’re watching.

[@fazer215]

@@Soliel75 exactly lol pshero is best rogue and we can end here

[@santiagopellecer8462]

great stuff, thank you

[@TheFunkyfeelings]

Great video!

[@yevai]

really good content, helped me a lot already!

[@ryanmichaelwhite23]

Thanks for the content, as always. Question, everyone seems to favor Camouflage over Master of Deception, which I understand, but do you have any tips to avoid getting constantly sapped or opened on by other Rogues in battlegrounds when you have 0/0 Master of Deception to their 5/5 Master of Deception? Seems like with a 0/0 Master of Deception build that your worst enemy is other Rogues and I'm wondering how best to counter that.

[@bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb.]

Get 5/5 in Master of deception, and those goggles that makes you see through stealth better, issue fixed

[@Volente_Deo]

So bro, what rotation when you use dagger build? I havent found any information, how should you open, when and what finishing moves u use and more else

[@Zatar]

Cs + ss + gouge + ks + bs . Can replace ss with bs if you had nightslayer

[@CorvaxDK]

Nice video mate 😊👍🏼

[@9yrl]

Finally a dagger guide, tyvm!

[@jonathanbenoza8136]

Valso Ray not for daggers

[@9yrl]

@@jonathanbenoza8136 right after he says "Next we have daggers" at 7:22, but nvm kzbin.info/www/bejne/l6i8p39tn6qha5Y

[@Moonface00z]

so in the end is ghostly strike worth taking it

[@user-bn5kf8vk5i]

Nice

[@hostileaks4495]

I play 16/8/27. Its a great dagger pvp build. I dont use imp sprint i just vanish frostbolts on mages. I use imp backstab from combat tree. 3 in master of deception and 3 in camoflage. Everything elae is pretty standard dirty deeds heightened senses oppurtunity anything improving backstab damage is good

[@AURINGEN]

nice

[@jonass9432]

Everyone always throws 2 pts into murder, I just don’t see the 2% increase in damage at the cost of two talents points that beneficial. I mean you went 3/5 lethality and are gonna drop imp sprint? Drop murder and get 5/5 lethality

[@Zatar]

You need the points in Murder to go down the tree. You cannot replace murder with with lethality in the Sprint daggers build.

[@CorvaxDK]

I play 16/12/23 imp sprint without murder

[@jonass9432]

What about 2/3 in Ruthlessness? A 40% chance at an extra combo point whenever I use a finisher is amazing as a dagger rogue. And honestly that 40% chance feels more impactful than 2% more damage. I mean, and correct me if I’m wrong, let’s take an average hit from Perds is 105 (just weapon dmg not accounting for att power) so and extra 2% makes that 107 literally two more damage points. Seems crazy to waste 2 talent points for that

[@v8rockz]

No murder, ruthlessness is so much better. To get a second eviscerate or CS can win your fight. 2% more damage not i guess...

[@RC-cg4vw]

At 60 why not use a 31 or 30 assassination build for daggers ?

[@hostileaks4495]

Not enough crit gear to really use seal fate yet

[@Jerlemi2]

Hostile Aks how much crit do you need for seal fate to be viable?

[@sakis_chronisZ]

Murder talent is calculate in pvp or its a pve talent? Humanoids says so its a pvp?

[@Zatar]

Yes it increases your damage in PvP

[@sakis_chronisZ]

@@Zatar thank you so much for this information. In tbc its the same right?

[@Zatar]

Should be

[@wirstan]

Ur pshero build is wrong, he doesnt use hemo anymore now that hes got daggers, this build is at least 3-4 weekend Old

[@Zatar]

That is his updated hemo build he has just been using the dagger build lately. Both are up-to-date

[@jeffafa_70]

If you don’t have 5/5 Camouflage you can’t easily get back into stealth when you gouge [3/3 Gouge]. Resetting the fight with an essentially free stealth is huge.

[@Zatar]

The only situation where that would come up is if you're using gouge out of stealth. When going for a gouge reset you usually do not use it right after breaking stealth.

[@Zatar]

The main time you will notice camouflage is if you sap and you go out of stealth. You have to wait an extra second before re-entering stealth.

[@Zatar]

I would go with Core Hound Tooth in the off-hand

[@langw2461]

daggers vs swords whats best for pve / pvp

[@Zatar]

Sword is better for aoe in pve. Dagger is better for single target. Both are good in PvP, dagger scales with gear more, but is harder to play. Hemo is easier to play and is better if you are under geared.

[@chasepineda2585]

3rd :)

[@johnralws]

What about 21-8-22?

[@Zatar]

I'm assuming you mean cold blood daggers? Can do it if you want for fun, but I have found it to be a waste as I don't use it in a lot of situations. A lot of times I end up using kidney instead.

[@luvsic4616]

@@Zatar I would have definitely included it. You can get the kidney shot and cold blood eviscerate off thistle teas and in 1vX fights. A cold blood 3-4 point eviscerate can be pretty powerful in a pinch. I know the improved backstab/sprint dagger meta is all the rage on private servers but I don't think it was a complete talent breakdown without including that spec option. Still good content as usual.

[@miderwr9363]

The only spec I'd consider replacing 21/8/22 with is to get imp sprint. The cold blood is just too strong when you already have 30% higher backstab and 45% higher ambush crits. Combined with thistle tea and a sapper charge you deal about 5k dmg in 1 thistle bomb. No other class can beat a druid flag carrier in travel form that dirty. Also if 5k isn't enough you can always blind, restealth and end it there if you got the time.

[@asfasdfsd8476]

Not the best video. 1) You mentioned Psheros serrated blades build (which is not that good) but not a word about 21/8/22? Wtf? Where is 21/0/30 for people who don't want to bother finding out where is dat 1x1 pixel gnome mage facing? Or deal with people turning while being stunned? Btw Nice servers blizzard, well done 2) Too much emphasis on using lethality for hemo builds. It's not that good for swords, ~1-2% dps increase for 5 points invested, even lower for poorly geared rogues (

[@Zatar]

The purpose of the video was not to discuss every single talent build rather to go over situations where you would want to use the different options. Good point about endurance.

[@asfasdfsd8476]

@@Zatar The video is called "advanced talent break down". What else to add...

[@zeakonz70]

"Advanced"